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Title: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Touchdown17 on September 04, 2017, 05:40:12 pm
Game notes for Army weren't accurate.  Was that our coaches being cute or SID getting it wrong.  Listed starters  OL Solano DNP,  WR Allen DNP (suit up) and  DL Angeli (did not start/Ware did). 

OL -  curious if changes for CCSU.   Since OG Trautman got hurt (idk how serious) I wonder if just plug in Nevonte with same 4 guys.  or if Solano is ready to play this week (he was listed as starter for Army but DNP).  I also noticed OT Rottsolk got some time at RT. If he played well (saw live did not view tape) maybe move Donaldson into OG.  Hartman snapping is an issue - maybe backup OC Deya gets a shot to play (then move Hartman @ OG).

PA Ram made a point about moving LB Roberts back to DE. He did have a terrific season last year as a freshman. Perhaps he is better suited @ DE , than a read and react LB.

Do we make a change at place kicker?  1 game but that was awful. 

It'll be interesting to see how our Defense performs against a more traditional offense. 

A comment on our KO return team personnel. Probably because they were on the field a lot.  Smaller guys like CB  Biggs Frazier, QB Smith and WR Prince do not belong on that unit.  use guys like TE Lynch  DE Carter, Taylor, Schwarz that have some size and can block.

Yes its the players that make mistakes but I do hold the Coaches accountable for the sloppy unorganized play @ Army.  Drill discipline (penalties) and fundamental football  (assignments)  all week long.   


After that performance last week we can't afford to look past anybody.  I don't know much about CCSU other than an NEC team ( they are scholarship) but I do expect a solid bounce back performance and a W. let's hope thats not too much to ask for.   ;)         


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 04, 2017, 06:19:04 pm
They are playing aggressive schedule starting with Syracuse, Fordham and Youngstown State.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: PA Ram on September 04, 2017, 07:01:40 pm
Great post and questions, 17.  This game is absolutely huge now.  Win convincingly and we can build confidence and use the momentum heading into Eastern Washington.  Lose and look out ...

A squeaker wouldn't be the end of the world but wouldn't inspire a heckuva lot of confidence heading into EW. 

Go Rams! 


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: xtey92a on September 05, 2017, 09:55:47 am
Must Win.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 05, 2017, 10:06:07 am
I thought I remembered that the kicker was actually a highly regarded recruit? Am I imagining things? Or was it the punter? Neither impressed though.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: RamAlum13 on September 05, 2017, 11:36:09 am
re: the kickers low kicks ....a lot of times that can be fixed and coached around

murray used to line drive some kicks and ended up being the phenom that he was

all is not lost

that being said this is a MUST WIN as everyone is saying


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: toby on September 05, 2017, 11:43:13 am
I do not think Mevis was doing the placekicking on Friday but I could be wrong.

Also, random question, but why are on the road vs. CCSU & Bryant?   A lower division school should be coming to the Bronx rather than us going up there to CCSU - nonetheless, this is a big game for them and even bigger for us. 

By the way, spoke with an old Holy Cross Football Alum this past weekend (played late 60's and early 70's) - he stated that the HC Athletic Department raised $100M and their facilities in the next year will be on par with top 10 FCS schools.   I am concerned the boulder is running downhill for our FB Program (and overall athletics) with the lack of financial support; i.e. we cannot raise 2.5M for new offices. 

It is an arms race at the FBS and FCS levels.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 05, 2017, 11:45:17 am
I do not think Mevis was doing the placekicking on Friday but I could be wrong.

Also, random question, but why are on the road vs. CCSU & Bryant?   A lower division school should be coming to the Bronx rather than us going up there to CCSU - nonetheless, this is a big game for them and even bigger for us. 

 

Fans of Eastern Washington could be saying the same thing about us...


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: JohnG92 on September 05, 2017, 12:02:10 pm
By the way, spoke with an old Holy Cross Football Alum this past weekend (played late 60's and early 70's) - he stated that the HC Athletic Department raised $100M and their facilities in the next year will be on par with top 10 FCS schools.   I am concerned the boulder is running downhill for our FB Program (and overall athletics) with the lack of financial support; i.e. we cannot raise 2.5M for new offices. 

I think there was an HC alum that kicked things off with an absurd donation like $35M or something like that. I don't think FCS football is an arms race but there is sort of a standard threshold of what facilities you should have, generally speaking, to be on par with your peers (in Fordham's case, Northeast scholarship programs)

You should be concerned. The program has already peaked given its current make up and state of support. No one really wants to say it, so I am. 


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: An Old Coach on September 05, 2017, 12:47:34 pm
Well, I'm not sure no one... ;)


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ram it 66 on September 05, 2017, 01:02:51 pm
Sagarin has the Rams (#181) as modest 7 point favs over host CCSU (#215) in a game we should be playing at home. I see it as a must win.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Man on September 05, 2017, 01:11:38 pm
Sagarin has the Rams (#181) as modest 7 point favs over host CCSU (#215) in a game we should be playing at home. I see it as a must win.

I am more concerned that Sagarin has us in the middle of the pack inside the Patriot league.  We must take care of business this weekend.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: toby on September 05, 2017, 01:15:36 pm
EWU coming to New York is probably more about them interested in exposure on the east coast - perhaps... or just want to give the kids a travel to NYC as a recruiting item.  I do not think it is not an equal debate.

We have never played CCSU so why are we traveling to their home first rather than next year?  I can understand one of the two games being on the road, but both??  Is this more of a scheduling issue on our part for Soccer etc.?

The donation was made after the passing of Fr. Brooks whom was instrumental in downgrading HC Football in the patriot league.  Was this donor waiting for that moment?  



Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 05, 2017, 02:41:04 pm
EWU coming to New York is probably more about them interested in exposure on the east coast - perhaps... or just want to give the kids a travel to NYC as a recruiting item.  I do not think it is not an equal debate.

We have never played CCSU so why are we traveling to their home first rather than next year?  I can understand one of the two games being on the road, but both??  Is this more of a scheduling issue on our part for Soccer etc.?

The donation was made after the passing of Fr. Brooks whom was instrumental in downgrading HC Football in the patriot league.  Was this donor waiting for that moment?

I would be *shocked* if the scheduling had anything to do with soccer.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: toby on September 05, 2017, 02:47:28 pm
Correct, no issue with Soccer as the men are on the road and the women play Sunday at home, so what was the background here?  By the way, we play at Bryant 2017 and at Bryant 2019 which is the middle of 3 straight Road Games the first quarter of the season...very strange scheduling strategy.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Touchdown17 on September 06, 2017, 01:30:58 pm
http://www.ccsubluedevils.com/sports/fball/2017-18/CCSUNotes-Fordham90917.pdf


CCSU Game notes.    3 OL are 300lbs+   and QB is  6'6 235      just glad he's not an option QB    ;D

It appears NEC can redshirt (roster and 2 deep) but doesn't look like many are R-Sr's  this year.

   


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Touchdown17 on September 07, 2017, 09:25:38 am
http://www.fordhamsports.com/documents/2017/9/6/Fordham_Game_Notes_CCSU.pdf

Fordham Game Notes

2 Deep
OL Trautman is listed as starter (banged up in Army game but ready for CCSU).   
WR  Longi     out this week.    Hope not serious, he is a playmaker.
WR Allen      does not appear  (his right foot was in cast @ Army game) guess not back anytime soon.

WR Prince will make his first start outside and  WR Caddle will be in slot.
Freshman DE Carter and DT Marinelli  move into the 2 deep.  ( in place of Pinnicich /Sawyer).
Don't think any changes at LB/DB that I can tell.

Place Kicker   same as last week - Facibiene OR Mevis    idk if a change or give Facibiene another shot after last weeks debacle.     

 


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: JohnG92 on September 07, 2017, 11:47:26 am
CCSU will be fired up for this game -- statement game for their program and coach to try and get that program going.



Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 07, 2017, 01:34:53 pm
CCSU will be fired up for this game -- statement game for their program and coach to try and get that program going.



Coach Masella won 2 championships with this program I believe and I think they had a pretty good run for a bit after he left. Not sure of their recent history though.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: PA Ram on September 07, 2017, 03:01:08 pm
Coach Masella won 2 championships with this program I believe and I think they had a pretty good run for a bit after he left. Not sure of their recent history though.
Agreed.  This would be a nice win for them but far from a "statement game" or program making one


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: JohnG92 on September 07, 2017, 03:55:25 pm
Agreed.  This would be a nice win for them but far from a "statement game" or program making one

Look at their recent records.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 07, 2017, 08:18:35 pm
CCSU will be fired up for this game -- statement game for their program and coach to try and get that program going.



I think that it would be more of a "statement loss" by us if we lose.  We can't afford to do anything but dominate them on offense.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: JohnG92 on September 07, 2017, 08:28:26 pm
I think that it would be more of a "statement loss" by us if we lose.  We can't afford to do anything but dominate them on offense.

If I were CCSU I'd pound the running game and try and control the clock.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Chaka001 on September 07, 2017, 08:43:46 pm
that is good advice.  I hope the CCSU staff does not read this board as that is a good game plan


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 08, 2017, 08:45:34 am
that is good advice.  I hope the CCSU staff does not read this board as that is a good game plan

Ha. Because surely they have not thought of that. They will need to hire JohnG92 in order to come up with that idea...or read the board.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: xtey92a on September 08, 2017, 09:26:56 am
Any ever been to ccsu? I'd like to go.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: An Old Coach on September 08, 2017, 09:32:49 am
I think we can make some fairly simple adjustments to answer the running game with a week to prep.  Id be more concerned about them spreading us out and throwing the ball.  I think we may have a tough time getting a pass rush.  I hope we can control the ball and keep the defense on the sideline more.  I think we'll be ok but I don't know that we'll roll them.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Man on September 08, 2017, 10:03:04 am
Their facilities are fairly impressive for this level of play.

http://www.ccsubluedevils.com/facilities/arute/index


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Chaka001 on September 08, 2017, 01:15:59 pm
i saw they prefer to pass over the run in a pre season preview of the team.  That SHOULD be helpful, but we will see what the D can do this week.

Rossomondo is in his final year of his contract.
Based on his record he has to win or he is gone.
Central Connecticut State
2016: 2-9, 1-5 NEC
2015: 4-7, 3-3 NEC
2014: 3-9, 1-5 NEC
Totals (3 yrs): 9-25, 5-13 NEC

CCSU:
Returning Offensive Starters (8)
Returning Defensive Starters (7)
Returning Specialists (1)


Biggest Lost from 2016: DE Asia Bolling
Top Returner from 2016: QB Jacob Dolegala
Looking to replace 3 OL. They bring back everyone else on offense. Should put up big numbers but need more help from their D in stopping teams.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: vinnys on September 08, 2017, 02:26:03 pm
compughterratings.co has it Fordham 41  CCSU  28


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: xtey92a on September 08, 2017, 02:50:01 pm
Tickets are 8 clams, General seating on the visitor side. No seatbacks. Free Parking?

Gametime is Noon.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 08, 2017, 04:37:09 pm
compughterratings.co has it Fordham 41  CCSU  28

If we give up more than 28 this week then we better start filling sandbags, because the dam is about to burst.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: An Old Coach on September 08, 2017, 07:56:05 pm
If we give up more than 28 this week then we better start filling sandbags, because the dam is about to burst.

We need the win.  Let's start there.  I could care less about points in this one.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Richie68 on September 08, 2017, 08:06:41 pm
Is this game being streamed?  If so, how much, if anything?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ram it 66 on September 08, 2017, 10:10:08 pm
Go to Fordham schedule for CCSU game. Click on video. The NEC network is apparently free.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Madram on September 08, 2017, 10:32:10 pm
Must Win.

In what way? It's a non league game so it's not a must win..


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 09, 2017, 10:41:21 am
In what way? It's a non league game so it's not a must win..
we just had our worst loss in modern history of our program, we are playing an inferior team (on paper) that is in an inferior conference....you tell me...do you want to start out 0-2 on the way to 0-5?  Hello McFly....this is a MUST WIN today.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: fordham81 on September 09, 2017, 12:02:52 pm
and Fordham allows the opening kick-off to go all the way for a TD.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: fordham81 on September 09, 2017, 12:05:33 pm
and on the ensuing kick-off Fordham fumbles it away.  This is pathetic. This is coaching- the boy wonder is now on the hot seat.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: fordham81 on September 09, 2017, 12:08:43 pm
Rams down- 10-0, about 3 minutes into the game


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Jay92 on September 09, 2017, 12:11:20 pm
and on the ensuing kick-off Fordham fumbles it away.  This is pathetic. This is coaching- the boy wonder is now on the hot seat.

I'm not here to defend the coach...BUT - how is fumbling the ensuing kickoff the coaches fault? Did he forget to tell him to hold on tight?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram 91 on September 09, 2017, 12:11:56 pm
Geez, I thought the Army game started badly... down 17-0 three minutes in.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: fordham81 on September 09, 2017, 12:12:12 pm
Rams down 17-0, Fordham fumbles and CCSU runs it it. The Coach is now in the frying pan.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: JohnG92 on September 09, 2017, 12:12:26 pm
GOOD LORD


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram 83 on September 09, 2017, 12:13:18 pm
In what way? It's a non league game so it's not a must win..

To have any shot at an at-large playoff bid, this is a must win.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram 91 on September 09, 2017, 12:14:29 pm
I'm not here to defend the coach...BUT - how is fumbling the ensuing kickoff the coaches fault? Did he forget to tell him to hold on tight?

At this point a reminder to the whole team is in order.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: fordham81 on September 09, 2017, 12:14:55 pm
If I want to watch a disaster, I will put the hurricane coverage back on


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: fordham81 on September 09, 2017, 12:15:32 pm
What is going on with all of the options?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram 91 on September 09, 2017, 12:18:00 pm
Let's see if we can keep an opponent's drive from scoring for only the second time this year.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: fordham81 on September 09, 2017, 12:19:35 pm
EWU will drop 100 points on this squad.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Jay92 on September 09, 2017, 12:21:26 pm
Let's see if we can keep an opponent's drive from scoring for only the second time this year.

A Bronx cheer for the stop!


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram 91 on September 09, 2017, 12:22:28 pm
If we give up more than 28 this week then we better start filling sandbags, because the dam is about to burst.

Game, or first half?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: fordham81 on September 09, 2017, 12:23:14 pm
Game, or first half?

1st Quarter?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: fordham81 on September 09, 2017, 12:25:34 pm
I have been watching FU football since 1977. I have never seen them look this horrible


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: fordham81 on September 09, 2017, 12:27:37 pm
and a Fordham Ball Boy gets removed from the sideline?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: PeterMartin08 on September 09, 2017, 12:29:53 pm
As a 32-year-old, I find it hard to believe Breiner was prepared for this. 40 minutes to turn it around or this becomes a very short season.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: RoRam on September 09, 2017, 12:36:21 pm
Serious question: Did we stay overnight in East Hartford or bus up this Morning?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Madram on September 09, 2017, 12:37:02 pm
Well it's 17-0 I guess we know the truth now


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Rob Smith on September 09, 2017, 12:39:49 pm
In past years I'd have no concern about our ability to score 17 points quickly, but this is awfully hard to envision based on the last 5 quarters.  We have suddenly become a one dimensional offense that can't get the run working.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 09, 2017, 12:45:03 pm
Finally did something good. Let's hope they can put the last 5 quarters in the rearview mirror and get going on this season.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram 91 on September 09, 2017, 12:51:15 pm
End of the quarter down 17-7 and ESPN has us at 52% chance of winning.  That has to be the most useless tracking stat used in all of sports.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram 91 on September 09, 2017, 12:54:17 pm
Better effort now, maybe we can pull this one out after all.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: fordham81 on September 09, 2017, 12:57:50 pm
I feel a little better now


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram 91 on September 09, 2017, 01:05:41 pm
take the lead.  whew.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: fordham81 on September 09, 2017, 01:06:07 pm
Nice 65 yard pass and catch. Next play- Rams score 21-17...


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 09, 2017, 01:18:16 pm
Nice 65 yard pass and catch. Next play- Rams score 21-17...

You're a real front-runner, 81.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: srndsnd on September 09, 2017, 01:21:16 pm
First post.

But somebody has to pick up the slack in the secondary. This is not looking good. This team hasn't won five games in years.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 09, 2017, 01:23:01 pm
The coverage mistakes on that CCSU drive are alarming.  Two instances of blown assignments.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: srndsnd on September 09, 2017, 01:26:34 pm
Wow.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Richie68 on September 09, 2017, 01:29:46 pm
Interception. So far, this is a difficult game to watch.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 09, 2017, 01:53:36 pm
Anybody able to get this thing to show in full screen? It driving me nuts.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Touchdown17 on September 09, 2017, 01:55:13 pm
Brutal start.  We have 3 costly turnovers.  Run D looks good, pass D is suspect.  I know its a new Defensive scheme this year but we need to buckle down on pass coverage assignments.  Offense looks fine.  OL is a  bit different this week with Soph Deya @ OC and Frosh Zakelj  @ RT ..  If we can play solid, mistake free football the game a W is there for the taking.  btw is Chase hurt? watching online and didn't play a few series.   We'll see.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 09, 2017, 02:03:10 pm
Anybody able to get this thing to show in full screen? It driving me nuts.

Yes. icon in the lower right section of the screen works for me.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 09, 2017, 02:05:18 pm
Yes. icon in the lower right section of the screen works for me.

Weird. No go on my computer.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 09, 2017, 02:11:21 pm
Weird. No go on my computer.

It may be merciful that you can't see this any bigger than the small screen.

It's like a slow motion car wreck.  Feels like we're seeing the whole thing dissolve right in from of our eyes.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 09, 2017, 02:11:39 pm
Not working for me either ACE.

Why do we take so long to snap the ball..?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 09, 2017, 02:15:00 pm
Anyone see/hear what happened to Edmonds?  Looks like he's sitting on a table on the sideline. Not in the game.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Richie68 on September 09, 2017, 02:16:11 pm
Brevard now being taken off on a stretcher.  Bad game.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 09, 2017, 02:17:00 pm
Not working for me either ACE.

Why do we take so long to snap the ball..?

Did not work in chrome. Working in Edge now.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 09, 2017, 02:17:38 pm
Brevard now being taken off on a stretcher.  Bad game.

Looks bad for Brevard. Here's hoping for the best!


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 09, 2017, 02:25:51 pm
Horrendous coaching, this team is constantly looking to sideline, confused, players in and out and too much movement, line up and snap the flipping ball!


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 09, 2017, 02:32:59 pm
Horrendous coaching, this team is constantly looking to sideline, confused, players in and out and too much movement, line up and snap the flipping ball!

That's the scheme. I don't like it, but that's the scheme.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Richie68 on September 09, 2017, 02:35:11 pm
Another delay of game with all of the moving around before the snap.  Thank God for our passing game, touchdown.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: SIram on September 09, 2017, 02:43:19 pm
What is the score?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 09, 2017, 02:45:40 pm
It's 31 to 28 with CCSU in the lead.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: SIram on September 09, 2017, 02:48:48 pm
Thanks

Frustrating, Thought we would be ready for this game


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 09, 2017, 02:54:40 pm
Tied at 31 with 4:43 left in the game.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Battering Ram on September 09, 2017, 03:10:14 pm
wild.  Go ahead FG for Fordham from the 1 is blocked.  CC St takes over and we intercept and take in for go ahead TD.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: HKRam on September 09, 2017, 03:11:22 pm
Breiner is not capable of coaching this team. We will be lucky to win three games this year.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 09, 2017, 03:13:12 pm
After CCSU blocked a Fordham FG attempt, the Rams pick off a pass attempt and take it in for a touchdown to take the lead 38 to 31.  0:53 left


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 09, 2017, 03:13:49 pm
Breiner is not capable of coaching this team. We will be lucky to win three games this year.

Then tell me how we won 8 games with Coach Breiner last year. What a bunch of front runners on this board.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 09, 2017, 03:17:15 pm
Breiner is not capable of coaching this team. We will be lucky to win three games this year.

+1000 as Rambacker would say


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram 91 on September 09, 2017, 03:19:09 pm
Well, it's a win and I'm very glad for it.  This team needs a lot of work to be competitive in the Patriot League schedule.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 09, 2017, 03:19:30 pm
Down 17-0 and then 31-21, no Edmonds in rhe 2nd half, Brevard out early in that half, come back to win 38-31. Take it and move on. Lots of room for improvement.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Touchdown17 on September 09, 2017, 03:20:13 pm
It was an ugly start but a good finish!  I'll take the W and get out of town asap.  ;D


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: RoRam on September 09, 2017, 03:20:22 pm
+1000 as Rambacker would say
We literally stole this game. Why we went away from the run with Davis late in the game baffles the mind. Totally unprepared from the start.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 09, 2017, 03:20:33 pm
Then tell me how we won 8 games with Coach Breiner last year. What a bunch of front runners on this board.

He and his coaches look and act like Deer in the headlights on the sideline


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 09, 2017, 03:20:50 pm
It ends 38 to 31, Fordham wins.

If this team continues to perform the way it has in the first two games (and Edmonds is seriously injured), we could be looking at a sub .500 season.

If it wasn't for the 4th Q offense provided by Frosh Zak Davis we probably wouldn't have won.  

This team has issues.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: JCMB on September 09, 2017, 03:22:12 pm
Down 17-0 and then 31-21, no Edmonds in rhe 2nd half, Brevard out early in that half, come back to win 38-31. Take it and move on. Lots of room for improvement.

If this was FB I would give this a "Like".   ;)


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: joesunfish on September 09, 2017, 03:24:17 pm
Davis looked terrific! He is a keeper.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: joesunfish on September 09, 2017, 03:25:10 pm
Davis looked terrific! He is a keeper.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: SIram on September 09, 2017, 03:26:45 pm
Two games into the season, 1-1, many warning signs but we did come back to win the game

Very tough game against EWU next week


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 09, 2017, 03:32:26 pm
Two games into the season, 1-1, many warning signs but we did come back to win the game

Very tough game against EWU next week


EWU puts up 60 on us next week.

We are lost.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Kaup on September 09, 2017, 03:59:30 pm
Then tell me how we won 8 games with Coach Breiner last year.
Soft schedule?  Minus the two teams who humiliated us, and the loss to Monmouth which essentially cost us a post season birth.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Madram on September 09, 2017, 04:06:18 pm
EWU puts up 60 on us next week.

We are lost.

We are not lost, we're just not any good on defense. This is the philosophy and style of play that we've chosen and have been on this path for a few years now. All skill and talent is stacked on offense and little emphasis is placed on defense. Score 45 and hope to hold  opponent to 44 that's the philosophy and we know that


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: VTRAM on September 09, 2017, 04:16:43 pm
I was at the game and the commentary is over the top. Yes this is not the well oiled machine we have seen in previous seasons but they were very banged up in the game with guys out all over the field and still got a win on the road.

I actually think we will surprise next week. Maybe not win but play them close. We know the issues on offense but for me the offense is the bigger concern. I was sitting next to huge contingent from Wallingford and they went nuts when he came in and started ripping off runs. Was a really cool moment for that kid. Outside of that, the offense does not look like they have gotten on track. Caddle was big today but Lumley was invisible. Where is Seawright? KA looks a little off, like he is still trying to figure out what he has. Also the O-Line is still in flux which is not helping. The biggest help to our D would be fore us to start scoring TDs again. And for God sake get Mevis in there kicking.

As maligned as the D has been, they came up huge at the end of this game specifically Menyah and Roberts. Maybe this a turning point. Also great call by coach to punt in the 4th and not kick the FG. I was shaking my head but he made the 100% right call.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 09, 2017, 04:18:57 pm
We are not lost, we're just not any good on defense. This is the philosophy and style of play that we've chosen and have been on this path for a few years now. All skill and talent is stacked on offense and little emphasis is placed on defense. Score 45 and hope to hold  opponent to 44 that's the philosophy and we know that

Did you watch or follow this game?  Our opponent today was not Ohio St.  We squeeked by a terrible opponent today.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 09, 2017, 04:24:44 pm
Place kicking must be addressed. ACE how is the right leg these days?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Richie68 on September 09, 2017, 04:28:24 pm
Our skill players on offense continue to be very good, at QB, receivers and now the back up, back up running back, Davis.  Our offensive line may not be as good as it was, IMO.

Our special teams outright stink, at least based upon the first two games.  We are lucky to not get a kick blocked on a field goal attempt which we may not be any good at anyway.  Our kick off returns are an adventure, with fumbles and not much blocking, as is our coverage on opposing kickoffs.

Our defense is porous although we did hold on at the end of this game.  It allowed CCSU 17 out of their 31 points, the other 14 coming on blown coverage on our kickoff to them and on a fumble by our offense.

I feel that the coaching is "uneven" to be charitable.  Sometimes I wonder what they are thinking on offense and play and clock management throughout the game.

Chase is sidelined and I don't know how badly.  He certainly hasn't run like the old Chase in the first two games so I'm thinking he has some physical issues.

I fear we better improve rapidly if we want to have any chance at a good season.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 09, 2017, 04:29:31 pm
Then tell me how we won 8 games with Coach Breiner last year. What a bunch of front runners on this board.

Maybe some holdover assistants?  There is a ton of money spent on this program and this program was in terrific shape. Rather than do a national search they hired a very, very young and unproven assistant.  Its a short leash, whether you like it or not.  Hiring such a young assistant to take over a ranked program is going to lead to a short leash and a lot of panic from fans if it starts going sideways. People remember the Foley debacle. That being said, happy with the W and the young back was terrific, a Briener recruit so thats a positive.

More importantly, how is Brevard?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: xtey92a on September 09, 2017, 07:09:45 pm
Tough win, fly the W. 



Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Touchdown17 on September 09, 2017, 08:10:20 pm
Im pleased with the W considering the circumstances.  We certainly faced adversity today; down 17-0 , then 31-21 late 3rd quarter with both Chase and Brevard knocked out of game but dug down and found a way to win.  Our OL is still a work in progress with 2 new starters today @ C and RT.  It does look like Anderson is too concerned with finding the perfect play pre snap. Maybe simplify it and stick with a simple run pass option.  WR Caddle and Prince had good games. Thought Lumley and Searight should be targeted a bit more often. (perhaps  was CCSU D scheme to take away those guys -b/c Caddle was open all day long).  The D stood tall when they had to. It does however seem assignments are still shaky. One CCSU TD catch guy was wide open and early in 1st half a CCSU WR dropped an easy TD down the middle of field.

Special teams coach should be working late hours.  Blocked FG and KO return for a TD.  Poor.

Take the W and move forward.  We'll see f Chase is back and how we do against a solid EWU program.     



Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: xtey92a on September 09, 2017, 09:03:46 pm
Place kicking must be addressed. ACE how is the right leg these days?

Memo from the AD: The Soccer teams (Men and Women) will report to Jack Coffey field Monday afternoon for a special workout. Please warmup and stretch your Hamstrings.  >:D


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: An Old Coach on September 09, 2017, 09:26:43 pm
Good news, bad news.

Good news...

We pulled it out against a bad team that we could have easily lost to.  But we won.

Anderson is a stud.  A player and a half.  No Chase, no problem.  Never, ever say he needs to be pushed.  Dumbest comment in Fordhamfans.com history.

Defense isn't good but they came through when it counted.  We have some tough players.  Played their rear ends off when it counted.

Bad news...

We're just not very good at this point.

Our coaching staff is getting by on talent.  Defense is lost.  

Special teams coach should be relieved of his duties.  Let him recruit, help Julio...  We're historically bad here.  

Discipline is non-existent. Penalties.  What's going on?

We needed the win coming out of this game but the ship is leaking.  Coach needs to get this figured out or next week will be painful.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 09, 2017, 10:47:36 pm
Breiner is not capable of coaching this team. We will be lucky to win three games this year.

Willing to put money on that?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 10, 2017, 08:34:56 am


Our coaching staff is getting by on talent.  Defense is lost.  

Special teams coach should be relieved of his duties.  Let him recruit, help Julio...  We're historically bad here.  

 


Agree on both counts. Anyone could seemingly do a better job of ocaching special teams at this juncture. Really awful. Turn the reigns over to one of the coordinators.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ramjam on September 10, 2017, 08:52:09 am
Good news, bad news.

Good news...

We pulled it out against a bad team that we could have easily lost to.  But we won.

Anderson is a stud.  A player and a half.  No Chase, no problem.  Never, ever say he needs to be pushed.  Dumbest comment in Fordhamfans.com history.

Defense isn't good but they came through when it counted.  We have some tough players.  Played their rear ends off when it counted.

Bad news...

We're just not very good at this point.

Our coaching staff is getting by on talent.  Defense is lost.  

Special teams coach should be relieved of his duties.  Let him recruit, help Julio...  We're historically bad here.  

Discipline is non-existent. Penalties.  What's going on?

We needed the win coming out of this game but the ship is leaking.  Coach needs to get this figured out or next week will be painful.

Spot on AOC. EWU is no joke and are coming off losses to Texas Tech and North Dakota State. They are licking their chops right now watching our defense (and lack thereof). We will be a nice salve for their wounds. Hopefully it doesn't get out of hand. I don't see how we could pull it off, but a W for the Rams could turn the season. Coaches appear to be more worried about padding their resumes for the next job as opposed to coaching up the players now. Newsflash: you were handed the keys to a nice car and by driving it off a cliff, you won't get that next job.  Hubris is always the fatal flaw.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: JohnG92 on September 10, 2017, 09:17:59 am
Clawson and Moorhead worked for a lot of different coaches before coming to Fordham.  They both had different experiences.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Touchdown17 on September 10, 2017, 09:49:01 am
the RB situation.    :-\

Chase injured his left ankle and left game.. Will he back for EWU.  Brevard injury looked serious (may be done for year).  Freshman RB Davis impressed and I assume RB Palladino is still on roster and the 4th RB.   However if Chase is not ready, Brevard is out who would be our emergency RB?  behind Davis and Palladino..   

I would think try use a current Offensive player  (knows play call terminology  and basic concepts of our O)

Emergency RB candidates..
WR Caddle (if Longi plays this week)
WR Eleyzat    small, but agility  and wheels
TE  Force 6'3 220  probably doesn't help much in run game but could help passing game (pass blocking /receiving out of backfield)

no panic mode here yet but when your top 2 RB's go out with injury, its something have to consider.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ram it 66 on September 10, 2017, 10:15:30 am
Anyone with a definitive medical report on Chase?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: PA Ram on September 10, 2017, 11:18:29 am
...Coaches appear to be more worried about padding their resumes for the next job as opposed to coaching up the players now. Newsflash: you were handed the keys to a nice car and by driving it off a cliff, you won't get that next job.  Hubris is always the fatal flaw.

That part struck me as odd.  Where are you getting that claim from and how has anything that has happened so far helped to pad any coach's resume?

Really psyched about the comeback as it shows character after that horrendous start.  That said, when we took the 21-17 lead I thought we were really going to roll them, which would have felt like the light went on for us.  The fact that we struggled the rest of the way in an even battle makes me happy we gutted it out but gives no confidence heading into EW


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Madram on September 10, 2017, 11:26:07 am
Did you watch or follow this game?  Our opponent today was not Ohio St.  We squeeked by a terrible opponent today.

Well since we play in the patriot league which is a non competitive low level fcs I wouldn't expect to see the Like of Ohio state .. not sure who you think we are but it's an over inflated opinion based on your comments


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 10, 2017, 11:38:40 am
Well since we play in the patriot league which is a non competitive low level fcs I wouldn't expect to see the Like of Ohio state .. not sure who you think we are but it's an over inflated opinion based on your comments

Yesterday showed us that every game that we play this year is going to be a dog fight. Going forward every game remaining on our schedule is not a guaranteed W.  In the past 5 years we could circle 5 guaranteed wins.  Not this year.  Zero.  We couldn't even guarantee a W this year against those Commie's from Columbia if they were on our schedule.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Madram on September 10, 2017, 11:52:13 am
Yesterday showed us that every game that we play this year is going to be a dog fight. Going forward every game remaining on our schedule is not a guaranteed W.  In the past 5 years we could circle 5 guaranteed wins.  Not this year.  Zero.  We couldn't even guarantee a W this year against those Commie's from Columbia if they were on our schedule.

Of course you could circle 5 wins a year when you had a massive advantage of offering scholarships when 95% of the teams you compete against each year did not for 3 years. That was fun wasn't it having full scholarships against non scholarship schools . Well the field was leveled and surpassed us.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 10, 2017, 11:53:11 am
Yesterday showed us that every game that we play this year is going to be a dog fight. Going forward every game remaining on our schedule is not a guaranteed W.  In the past 5 years we could circle 5 guaranteed wins.  Not this year.  Zero.  We couldn't even guarantee a W this year against those Commie's from Columbia if they were on our schedule.

It would seem that way based on the past two weeks. But teams can/do develop week to week, so let's hope they get this thing going.

BTW, your last comment is the type of thing that gives Commies a bad name . . .   ;)


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 10, 2017, 12:01:02 pm
The injuries that we have sustained in the first two weeks is alarming.  This can be pointed back to coaching and preparation and game time schemes.  Chase took an absolute beating against West Point.  He was not the same in the 2nd half of the West Point game.

We need to hold him out next week against EWU.  We can't afford to not have him in the Patriot League games.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: JohnG92 on September 10, 2017, 12:56:34 pm
That part struck me as odd.  Where are you getting that claim from and how has anything that has happened so far helped to pad any coach's resume

The Bleacher Report article for example. What was the point of that besides how it could get people talking about what a genius AB is?  he's 32 years old, has worked for 1 guy, has been a head coach for 13 games and he's an offensive game plan expert? How did that piece help the program? It didn't, it helped him try and build his brand. You could argue it put a target on the program.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 10, 2017, 02:14:39 pm
I have heard that Chase's ankle is serious and he is 50/50 for this week. I think you err on the side of caution and hold him out if there is any doubt.

Brevard has a compound fracture and I would think that means he is done for the season. I don't think recovery there is very quick. Possible medical redshirt possibility.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 10, 2017, 07:13:40 pm
Yowza, compound fx is Joe Theisman........hang tough Brevard....


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: An Old Coach on September 10, 2017, 09:32:45 pm
I have heard that Chase's ankle is serious and he is 50/50 for this week. I think you err on the side of caution and hold him out if there is any doubt.

Brevard has a compound fracture and I would think that means he is done for the season. I don't think recovery there is very quick. Possible medical redshirt possibility.

Chase's ankle is serious.  They really won't know anything until later in the week.  50-50 is probably a stretch from what I heard as it was a not good today.   The training staff is in for a busy week. 


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: PA Ram on September 10, 2017, 10:33:22 pm
The Bleacher Report article for example. What was the point of that besides how it could get people talking about what a genius AB is?  he's 32 years old, has worked for 1 guy, has been a head coach for 13 games and he's an offensive game plan expert? How did that piece help the program? It didn't, it helped him try and build his brand. You could argue it put a target on the program.

Which article?  I just googled "Fordham Bleacher Report Breiner" and the only recent thing I see is a piece on Chase.

I'm no apologist and have been severely disappointed with the season's start but there's a bitterness behind your posts recently that is a real turn from your previous ones imo. 


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ramjam on September 11, 2017, 05:22:16 am
Which article?  I just googled "Fordham Bleacher Report Breiner" and the only recent thing I see is a piece on Chase.

I'm no apologist and have been severely disappointed with the season's start but there's a bitterness behind your posts recently that is a real turn from your previous ones imo. 
New Jersey Herald August 17, 2017 piece by Ralph Russo

Every HIGH SCHOOL coach in the country does what is discussed in the article. Like he is doing something unique. It shows his youth and arrogance. Not once is defense or special teams mentioned. Our opponents had to snicker when they read it.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: An Old Coach on September 11, 2017, 07:21:27 am
Which article?  I just googled "Fordham Bleacher Report Breiner" and the only recent thing I see is a piece on Chase.

I'm no apologist and have been severely disappointed with the season's start but there's a bitterness behind your posts recently that is a real turn from your previous ones imo. 

Certainly not going to speak for John but he knows something about the uphill climb coaches make to get to a top spot on any level.  There aren't very many head jobs and the grind to get them can be brutal.  It seems like Coach Briener was anointed for the position instead of working his way up for it.  That's fine, most of us have gotten a break at some point along the way.  It is becoming apparent though IMO, that the Coach is having to do a great deal of learning on the job.  Football has become Fordham's prolific sport but it looks like the university had other things in mind than finding the most competent coach to lead it.  This was a hire that Frank could have easily made. 


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: JohnG92 on September 11, 2017, 07:54:12 am
I'm no apologist and have been severely disappointed with the season's start but there's a bitterness behind your posts recently that is a real turn from your previous ones imo. 



Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 11, 2017, 09:01:54 am
strange article.....Special teams, defensive planning not even mentioned once in this article.  Does AB even participate in that aspect of the game plan?

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170817/sports/308179987/


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 11, 2017, 09:05:52 am
Probably worthy of a new thread but I was befuddled when they gave him the job. A ranked program with momentum, should have lead to a national search.  especially  after the Foley debacle.  It was an enormously attractive job......and this appeared to be a lightweight candidate .......I cant imagine that he had any leverage whatsoever.....was anyone else knocking on his door? ......and every coach has one foot out the door at all times. ....thats the business......I dont think anyone doubts that we have a lot of talent...... this could be a very, very short leash and it definitely should be.....but nothing against the coach, they appear to have simply handed him the job......


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 11, 2017, 09:12:36 am
Probably worthy of a new thread but I was befuddled when they gave him the job. A ranked program with momentum, should have lead to a national search.  especially  after the Foley debacle.  It was an enormously attractive job......and this appeared to be a lightweight candidate .......I cant imagine that he had any leverage whatsoever.....was anyone else knocking on his door? ......and every coach has one foot out the door at all times. ....thats the business......I dont think anyone doubts that we have a lot of talent...... this could be a very, very short leash and it definitely should be.....but nothing against the coach, they appear to have simply handed him the job......

Strangest quote in the article.......

"THURSDAY

Wednesday's work is installed at practice and players get the entire plan - printed out.

"I'm old school," Breiner said."

and PS......Not sure I would be seeking his advice:  "To prepare for that, Breiner uses a "cheat sheet," a tip he took from a talk given by Arizona coach Rich Rodriguez during a clinic."


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: fordham81 on September 11, 2017, 10:34:51 am
It would seem that way based on the past two weeks. But teams can/do develop week to week, so let's hope they get this thing going.

BTW, your last comment is the type of thing that gives Commies a bad name . . .   ;)

As an FYI- Fordham Men's Rugby defeated them 49-7 yesterday....


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: RamAlum13 on September 11, 2017, 10:42:46 am

Anderson is a stud.  A player and a half.  No Chase, no problem.  Never, ever say he needs to be pushed.  Dumbest comment in Fordhamfans.com history.


You guys really didn't like that one huh

I never suggested Anderson would ever be "pushed" out of the starting line up. Cmon!

All I was suggesting was that having another D1A transfer would be a good thing to have around to help improve the overall quality of the group (thinking meetings, drills, etc). That's all. How could their possibly be a problem or issue with that?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: avon barksdale on September 11, 2017, 11:02:38 am
Anderson is not a player and a half. He's a solid qb, not worth RAVING about, but by no means worth bashing/questioning whether he should start.

VERY OBVIOUS is our defense is no better than it was a year ago, and AB seems to be in too deep. He's by no means awful, but seems like he's Pecora in his coaching style, meaning in-game adjustments don't work, the game plan is the game plan, and thats that. He'll get us some talented kids, bring youthful energy and stick to an offense first team.

This weekend we should probably be +21 going into the EW game.

Hopefully Chase recovers, but it sounds like he's going to miss this week


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: HKRam on September 11, 2017, 11:14:44 am
Breiner will be gone at the end of the season. This team is poorly coached, disorganised, and unprepared to compete.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 11, 2017, 11:32:01 am
Anderson is not a player and a half. He's a solid qb, not worth RAVING about, but by no means worth bashing/questioning whether he should start.

. . .
  Just hoping that he doesn't get himself killed the way he throws his body around.

Sometimes it's good to slide . . .


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: An Old Coach on September 11, 2017, 11:36:43 am
Breiner will be gone at the end of the season. This team is poorly coached, disorganised, and unprepared to compete.

No way.  I'd be shocked of we weren't at least .500 (hopefully better).  No coach at Fordham is getting fired with a .500 record.  Coach Breiner will be with us for a while.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 11:37:01 am
Breiner will be gone at the end of the season. This team is poorly coached, disorganised, and unprepared to compete.

Still predicting no more than 3 wins? Do you want to parlay that with whether or not AB is fired?

People need to be held accountable for outlandish claims.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 11:37:57 am
This place (FB boards) has become a cesspool of negativity.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: PA Ram on September 11, 2017, 11:38:45 am
Certainly not going to speak for John but he knows something about the uphill climb coaches make to get to a top spot on any level.  There aren't very many head jobs and the grind to get them can be brutal.  It seems like Coach Briener was anointed for the position instead of working his way up for it.  That's fine, most of us have gotten a break at some point along the way.  It is becoming apparent though IMO, that the Coach is having to do a great deal of learning on the job.  Football has become Fordham's prolific sport but it looks like the university had other things in mind than finding the most competent coach to lead it.  This was a hire that Frank could have easily made. 

Your post has nothing to do with what I wrote.  Similar pieces were done on Moorhead while he was here and no one had a problem with it then.  I'm just calling bs lines like "Coaches appear to be more worried about padding their resumes for the next job as opposed to coaching up the players now."  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm7Re_wsyGs.  We can't just say that they stink at coaching - we have to take it to the next level and question their character.  I would think that you guys who coached or had family members who coached at this level would be the first to push back when fans make posts or comments where he's not just a bad football coach but he also has awful intentions - so self centered and just wants to get out of here and into his next job.  My hunch is that this is tearing him up - how could it not, right?  I don't think it's a question of motivation or intention - I just think he has no idea how to get the whole thing to click (which, again, is no defense of AB by me).  


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: xtey92a on September 11, 2017, 11:42:57 am
Well since we play in the patriot league which is a non competitive low level fcs I wouldn't expect to see the Like of Ohio state .. not sure who you think we are but it's an over inflated opinion based on your comments

Thee Ohio State University. >:D


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 11, 2017, 11:45:34 am
This place (FB boards) has become a cesspool of negativity.

I disagree. Biggest financial budget and tons of carry over talent.  This is not a fan support board, its to discuss athletics. It was an odd hire for certain, but I think we all hope it works out terrifically ......but I think there is a reality hovering over it.  You have a ranked program and huge budget and incredible sustained success. Its a proven place where you can recruit and win at a high level. You hand the keys to a very young and unproven assistant, its not going to be  a long leash ....that's just sports reality (Foley)......Breiner certainly can recruit......and we did win on Saturday......but some of the comments on game preparation are spot on......


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: RamAlum13 on September 11, 2017, 11:55:21 am
This place (FB boards) has become a cesspool of negativity.

Yeeeeaa but its the best....what can I say - the years playing in the dark ages right before JoMo have rendered me a masochist


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 11, 2017, 11:58:28 am
The football folks took a calculated gamble with this hire. High risk high reward. Are we getting the hot young up and comer before he goes elsewhere or are we hiring a guy who is too young and not ready for this level position. Time will tell, but I disagree its about negativity, its perectly rational reaction to what people are seeing on the field.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 12:10:11 pm
Yeeeeaa but its the best....what can I say - the years playing in the dark ages right before JoMo have rendered me a masochist

I had 3 head coaches in 4 years and played in-between 2 PL Titles. I get it... believe me, I do. This is just too much for me. Mainly because I think its unwarranted, right now, and I can't deal with the people who really seem to enjoy the losing - I'm looking at you HKRAm and your prediction of 3 wins or less and AB getting fired. Too many people seem to enjoy the "I told you we would suck" BS. Its not informative, its not really engaging conversation and its just annoying. 


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 11, 2017, 12:10:52 pm
This place (FB boards) has become a cesspool of negativity.

Being critical and being negative are completely different.  Living in a "rose-colored" glasses world is no way to build a program.  That article, which AB approved and was interviewed for is highly enlightening.  What aspect of his coaching style is "old school" as he stated?  Also, using Rich Rodriguez as your coaching "mentor" speaks volumes also.  I am not saying that Rich-Rod is not a good coach but from an overall discipline and game planning standpoint, but I am not sure if he would be put to the top of my list as a guy I want to mimic.

I am tired of critical statements being viewed as "negative"......We dodged a major bullet last Saturday.  We lose that game then we are in a full tailspin.  We have Zero cupcakes left on our schedule.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 12:14:40 pm
Being critical and being negative are completely different.  Living in a "rose-colored" glasses world is no way to build a program.  That article, which AB approved and was interviewed for is highly enlightening.  What aspect of his coaching style is "old school" as he stated?  Also, using Rich Rodriguez as your coaching "mentor" speaks volumes also.  I am not saying that Rich-Rod is not a good coach but from an overall discipline and game planning standpoint I am not sure if he would put to the top of my list as a guy I want to mimic.

I am tired of critical statements being viewed as "negative"......We dodged a major bullet last Saturday.  We lose that game then we are in a full tailspin.  We have Zero cupcakes left on our schedule.

Calling for a coach's head 1.5 games into a season after going 8-3 isn't critical, its over reacting. Over analyzing a friggin fluff piece article isn't critical, its crazy.



Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 12:16:15 pm
Also, is anyone else tired of the "rose colored glasses" comment ANY TIME someone disagrees with you?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: PA Ram on September 11, 2017, 12:16:45 pm
The football folks took a calculated gamble with this hire. High risk high reward. Are we getting the hot young up and comer before he goes elsewhere or are we hiring a guy who is too young and not ready for this level position. Time will tell, but I disagree its about negativity, its perectly rational reaction to what people are seeing on the field.
I think you're idea of the football folks having the say in a decision like this is off the mark.  Some schools have alums/gridiron clubs involved as part of the search committee but we don't.  This was Roach's call and I'm pretty sure it was heavily influenced by a strong Moorhead recommendation.  


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 12:19:17 pm
The football folks took a calculated gamble with this hire. High risk high reward. Are we getting the hot young up and comer before he goes elsewhere or are we hiring a guy who is too young and not ready for this level position. Time will tell, but I disagree its about negativity, its perectly rational reaction to what people are seeing on the field.

I don't disagree with your point about the risk/reward aspect of the hire. I do disagree with your point on whether or not some people's reactions can be considered "rational" right now. I think its far to early to get that bent out of shape. Coach is 9-4 and two of those losses were to FBS teams. One was to the eventual PL champion.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 11, 2017, 12:19:20 pm
2 weeks ago we were chatting about how Chase was going to break the all-time NCAA rushing and TD records, he was the face of Fordham football from a marketing standpoint and how he was going to be playing on Sundays in the future.  AB doesn't even have him as our primary weapon in the offensive scheme, he has been beaten up for the last two weeks due to our questionable game planning and now he is sidelined indefinitely and the prospect of him returning to his old self are highly doubtful.

Yes, those our disappointing comments, but not even remotely "negative"


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 11, 2017, 12:23:55 pm
Coach is 9-4 and two of those losses were to FBS teams.

NO.  Two of those losses were blowout embarrassments where we looked undisciplined, not prepared to play and the opposing teams were dominating us with 4th string players, One 4th string player being in street clothes (actually a Navy uniform) and pulled out of the stands to play.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 12:26:17 pm
2 weeks ago we were chatting about how Chase was going to break the all-time NCAA rushing and TD records, he was the face of Fordham football from a marketing standpoint and how he was going to be playing on Sundays in the future.  AB doesn't even have him as our primary weapon in the offensive scheme, he has been beaten up for the last two weeks due to our questionable game planning and now he is sidelined indefinitely and the prospect of him returning to his old self are highly doubtful.

Yes, those our disappointing comments, but not even remotely "negative"

Lost you right at the end there.... we don't even have a full report on his health yet? Even if it is a high ankle sprain, he'll be fine once he's healed. The issue isn't whether or not he'll return to his old self, its how long it'll take. We need to wait and see whats wrong before we start making claims that he wont be the same Chase as he was before. You see, that's the stuff I'm talking about. That's being overly and unnecessarily negative. He'll have several weeks to recover before PL play starts. Let's see what his status is before we start digging his grave.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 12:26:53 pm
NO.  Two of those losses were blowout embarrassments where we looked undisciplined, not prepared to play and the opposing teams were dominating us with 4th string players, One 4th string player being in street clothes (actually a Navy uniform) and pulled out of the stands to play.

You're right - every FCS coach that gets blown out by an FBS team should be on the hot seat  :o


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 11, 2017, 12:35:42 pm
You're right - every FCS coach that gets blown out by an FBS team should be on the hot seat  :o

Missed the point......AGAIN.

So let me paint this picture for you....AB goes 8-3 last year.  Lets pretend that we go 8-3, 9-2 or possibly even 10-1 this year followed up by a 8, 9 or 10 win season next year.  Guess what happens in 2019?  We have a new coach.  Because he has left for greener pastures.  Yes, I am sure that Coach Joe gave AB a huge endorsement, as he should.  On paper AB is a great coach, but that is why Roach and the powers that be make the big bucks.  Zero coaching search?  Come on, that is foolish.  Do you have any clue who could have been the potential "qualifed" candidates that were interested in our position.  This is foolish.  We are allowed and should have this discussion here on these boards.  We spent years speculating about Hill, Wittenberg and Pecora.  Why can't we do it here?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: VTRAM on September 11, 2017, 12:37:13 pm
Look I am as frustrated as anyone that the team has looked less than stellar this year and could be headed for a tough season. I want to see what happens this week but the possibility is there that we finish mid-pack in the PL. That being said, the criticism of Breiner is a bit over the top. This is year 2 for him running the program. He was probably a Monmouth OT loss away from the playoffs last year.

Also the point that I think a lot of people are conveniently overlooking is that this is also just his 2nd recruiting class. I love what Joe Moorhead did for our program more than anyone but the Srs. and Jrs. on this team are his recruits. Especially on defense the last two recruiting classes for JM were very light. Here are the defensive recruits in those classes:

2014:
Tony Fox, DL, 6-2, 270, Fairfield, Conn./Fairfield College Prep - RP
Ty Green, DL, 6-4, 270, Ashland, Ohio/Ashland - S
Caleb Ham, Ath., 6-1, 180, McDonough, Ga./Union Grove - AL
Marcus Hicks, DB, 5-10, 170, Millersville, Md./Old Mill Senior
Josh Klecko, DL, 6-2, 270, Red Bank, N.J./Red Bank Catholic (Rutgers)
Niko Thorpe, LB, 5-11, 230, Pittsburgh, Pa./Central Catholic - S
Jonathon Dimon, DL, 6-0, 234, Florence, N.J. / Notre Dame - RP
Nick Angeli   Jr., DL, 6-1, 286,Westfield, N.J. / St. Peter's Prep - S

2015:
Name   Pos.   Ht.   Wt.   Hometown/High School (Last School)
Noah Fitzgerald   LB   6-0   204   Glen Burnie, Md./Old Mill
Antonio Jackson   DB   6-2   180   Leesburg, Va./Loudon County
Ryan Kroeger   DL   6-2   280   Atlantic Highlands, N.J./Red Bank Catholic
Tyler Long   DB   6-2   190   New Riegel, Ohio/Tiffin Calvert
Dylan Mabin   DB   6-1   180   Macedonia, Ohio/Nordonia
Lawrence Menyah   DB   6-2   201   Bronx, N.Y./Brooklyn Tech
Bryce Petty   DB   6-1   165   Carrol Stream, Ill./Bartlett

This is a bulk of the starters on D. Some bad luck obviously with Thorpe and Fox who would have been major contributors but the question should be asked if the talent is there. If you want to take it a step further you could also argue that JM's two best years were 2013 and 2014 when the D was littered with Masella recruits like Hodge, Ian Williams, Jordan Chapman, Biestek, Dixon, Slate, Hancock, Difusco, Tenuta..etc.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 12:42:03 pm
Missed the point......AGAIN.

So let me paint this picture for you....AB goes 8-3 last year.  Lets pretend that we go 8-3, 9-2 or possibly even 10-1 this year followed up by a 8, 9 or 10 win season next year.  Guess what happens in 2019?  We have a new coach.  Because he has left for greener pastures.  Yes, I am sure that Coach Joe gave AB a huge endorsement, as he should.  On paper AB is a great coach, but that is why Roach and the powers that be make the big bucks.  Zero coaching search?  Come on, that is foolish.  Do you have any clue who could have been the potential "qualifed" candidates that were interested in our position.  This is foolish.  We are allowed and should have this discussion here on these boards.  We spent years speculating about Hill, Wittenberg and Pecora.  Why can't we do it here?

That was your point? I don't buy it... If it was, work on making that more clear in your initial post.

I agree that there should've been a coaching search. I'm just not throwing in the towel on AB two games into his second season... at 1-1 with 1 loss to an FBS team.

Pecora never succeeded as a coach at Fordham. Wittenberg basically snapped. Hill was a disaster for many reason. I can't believe you're associating AB with those names.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 11, 2017, 12:44:19 pm
That was your point? I don't buy it... If it was, work on making that more clear in your initial post.

I agree that there should've been a coaching search. I'm just not throwing in the towel on AB two games into his second season... at 1-1 with 1 loss to an FBS team.

Pecora never succeeded as a coach at Fordham. Wittenberg basically snapped. Hill was a disaster for many reason. I can't believe you're associating AB with those names.

You minimize our two FBS losses......We didn't lose those games.  We were humiliated.  THAT WAS MY POINT. 

Two of those losses were blowout embarrassments where we looked undisciplined, not prepared to play and the opposing teams were dominating us with 4th string players, One 4th string player being in street clothes (actually a Navy uniform) and pulled out of the stands to play.



Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 12:48:32 pm
You minimize our two FBS losses......We didn't lose those games.  We were humiliated.  THAT WAS MY POINT. 

Two of those losses were blowout embarrassments where we looked undisciplined, not prepared to play and the opposing teams were dominating us with 4th string players, One 4th string player being in street clothes (actually a Navy uniform) and pulled out of the stands to play.



Of course I'm going to minimize our FBS losses. Those teams were much, much better than us. No amt of coaching was going to change the outcomes of those games. We got smacked around because they were better football teams. It's going to happen when you play up a level. Its supposed to happen actually. I'm not putting anything into those losses.

My biggest issue with those losses is that we didn't get paid enough to lose to them.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 12:53:14 pm
Sometimes I can't help but laugh...

HKRam who just said a couple of days ago that "we'll be lucky to win 3 games this year" just picked Fordham to beat EWU in the pick'em thread. That'll give us 2 wins HKRam... do we start our slide against Yale?



Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 11, 2017, 12:56:03 pm
Of course I'm going to minimize our FBS losses. Those teams were much, much better than us. No amt of coaching was going to change the outcomes of those games. We got smacked around because they were better football teams. It's going to happen when you play up a level. Its supposed to happen actually. I'm not putting anything into those losses.

My biggest issue with those losses is that we didn't get paid enough to lose to them.

nevermind, you don't get it.  Unpreparedness and lack of discipline are the Coaches fault.  Starting a game with 4 penalties, having a punting average of 20 yards and having multiple special teams breakdowns is terrible.  Having a Rich-Rod cheat sheet and being "old school" doesn't magically make your team a well-oiled machine.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 01:04:01 pm
nevermind, you don't get it.  Unpreparedness and lack of discipline are the Coaches fault.  Starting a game with 4 penalties, having a punting average of 20 yards and having multiple special teams breakdowns is terrible.  Having a Rich-Rod cheat sheet and being "old school" doesn't magically make your team a well-oiled machine.

No, I get what you're saying, but I don't buy it. We had a last minute scratch of a starting o-linemen which lead to a freshman starting. A freshman starting his first game against an FBS opponent.. sorry, but I'm not blaming coach for his false start and his holding penalty in the first 4 plays. The illegal man down field was not ABs fault either. It was a designed screen play and Anderson held the ball because it looked like the CB read it perfectly and was going to cut in front of the pass for an easy TD. Delay of game to start? Yeah, that's inexcusable.

You're viewing everything in the extreme. I disagree that its rational to call ABs status as our coach into question.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: An Old Coach on September 11, 2017, 02:22:52 pm
You're right - every FCS coach that gets blown out by an FBS team should be on the hot seat  :o

No.  An FCS coach who has had 3 kicks blocked and I've lost track of the number of penalties and will probably be without his best player in Fordham's biggest home game in years better pull in the oars and do some coaching because we're not seeing a lot of it.

This is starting to sound like Pecora.  "He's a really good recruiter but..."


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 02:37:10 pm
No.  An FCS coach who has had 3 kicks blocked and I've lost track of the number of penalties and will probably be without his best player in Fordham's biggest home game in years better pull in the oars and do some coaching because we're not seeing a lot of it.

This is starting to sound like Pecora.  "He's bring in great players but..."

Oh please...2 comparisons to Pecora already... this is borderline insane. Did Pecora ever have a winning record at any point in his run as HC?

I'm not sitting here pretending that he's the greatest coach we've ever had, but I firmly believe this panic is a bit premature. I might feel differently in 8 weeks. I might not.

AOC - what did you do to develop this "discipline" in your players that magically prevents mental errors and penalties? Did your teams commit actually less penalties? Do you know what AB is doing or not doing in practice? Aside from anecdotal b*tching about discipline or whatever, does anyone actually know if AB lead teams (small sample size, but decent enough) commit more penalties that Moorhead teams? I'd love to concede this point. Someone show me that we're this terribly undisciplined team and AB is the cause.




Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: An Old Coach on September 11, 2017, 02:46:03 pm
Oh please...2 comparisons to Pecora already... this is borderline insane. Did Pecora ever have a winning record at any point in his run as HC?

I'm not sitting pretending that he's the greatest coach we've ever had, but I firmly believe this panic is a bit premature. I might feel differently in 8 weeks. I might not.

AOC - what did you do to develop this "discipline" in your players that magically prevents mental errors and penalties? Did your teams commit actually less penalties? Do you know what AB is doing or not doing in practice? Aside from anecdotal b*tching about discipline or whatever, does anyone actually know if AB lead teams (small sample size, but decent enough) commit more penalties that Moorhead teams? I'd love to concede this point. Someone show me that we're this terribly undisciplined team and AB is the cause.




Discipline is a culture instilled by the coaching staff, led by the head coach.  It has nothing to do with extra running or grass drills or punishment for errors.  It's leadership.

I know that I've never seen anywhere a game start off with four penalties or 3 blocked kicks in two games.  Something is missing in AB's approach.

By the way, 20 penalties in two games is horrendous no matter how you look at it.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 11, 2017, 02:48:49 pm
Discipline is a culture instilled by the coaching staff, led by the head coach.  It has nothing to do with extra running or grass drills or punishment for errors.  It's leadership.

I know that I've never seen anywhere a game start off with four penalties or 3 blocked kicks in two games.  Something is missing in AB's approach.

It must not be on Rich-Rod's cheat sheet that he uses.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: HKRam on September 11, 2017, 02:49:50 pm
NYRAm07 - please stop. The act is really old.



Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 11, 2017, 02:58:37 pm
Oh please...2 comparisons to Pecora already... this is borderline insane. Did Pecora ever have a winning record at any point in his run as HC?



Better comparisons are 1.  Ed Foley  2. Jared Grasso ( due to the age/inexperience).

Foley was 5-6 then 2-9 and got the quick hook. I want Breiner to succeed, to be wildly succeed but I dont see a long leash here.   Not sure how the hire went down but it seemed a wee bit odd to hire a guy this young with so little experience. He may turn out to be a home run, caught on the way up, but reality tells me that if this season goes below .500 it might be rough......hopefully that doesnt happen....


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 03:07:09 pm
NYRAm07 - please stop. The act is really old.



What Act? If you're going to make outlandish claims, you should be held to them. Lucky to win 3 games, right? AB isn't fit to run this program, right? I'll check in with you at the end of the season and then you can (hopefully) admit that you were flat out wrong.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 03:10:49 pm
Better comparisons are 1.  Ed Foley  2. Jared Grasso ( due to the age/inexperience).

Foley was 5-6 then 2-9 and got the quick hook. I want Breiner to succeed, to be wildly succeed but I dont see a long leash here.   Not sure how the hire went down but it seemed a wee bit odd to hire a guy this young with so little experience. He may turn out to be a home run, caught on the way up, but reality tells me that if this season goes below .500 it might be rough......hopefully that doesnt happen....

At least you're making logical comparisons, even though I still disagree that we're at that point.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 11, 2017, 03:14:13 pm
Here's why I think some folks are getting worried. Losing big to Army was to be expected. OK.  And losing by 50+? not good, but whatever.  However, imbedded in that loss was some bad, inexcusable football. (I am still trying to get past taking a delay of game penalty on the FIRST PLAY OF THE SEASON!).

However.

The real issue lies in the fact that when everyone saw the schedule for this year, I am sure that every single one of us looked at CCSU and said "W".  There was speculation that it would give the team time to recover from the physical beating that everyone (rightly) expected from Army.  

We were fortunate to beat CCSU.  CCSU.  A couple of picks at the end of the game gave us the win.  We should have never been in that position.

To see continued bad football is worrisome.  It's too soon to call for the coach's head, but is certainly appropriate to wonder why things don't seem to be going in the right direction.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 03:16:01 pm
Discipline is a culture instilled by the coaching staff, led by the head coach.  It has nothing to do with extra running or grass drills or punishment for errors.  It's leadership.

I know that I've never seen anywhere a game start off with four penalties or 3 blocked kicks in two games.  Something is missing in AB's approach.

By the way, 20 penalties in two games is horrendous no matter how you look at it.

In a vacuum 4 penalties to open the game looks brutal. I've already broken down the penalties in another post above. I'll put the delay of game on Coach. The others? Not so much. You can make the argument that the frosh shouldn't have been out there, but I don't know the situation enough to comment. 4 penalties to open the game is terrible - I'm not making excuses. I'm just not attributing it so some sort of program tailspin either.

As far as the kicks... can anyone break that down? I haven't (and wont) watch film. Is it the kicker? Is the line missing assignments? Is the formation we're using not working? What's the problem? If its the kicker, do we even have another one to insert?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 11, 2017, 03:21:19 pm
In a vacuum 4 penalties to open the game looks brutal. I've already broken down the penalties in another post above. I'll put the delay of game on Coach. The others? Not so much. You can make the argument that the frosh shouldn't have been out there, but I don't know the situation enough to comment. 4 penalties to open the game is terrible - I'm not making excuses. I'm just not attributing it so some sort of program tailspin either.

As far as the kicks... can anyone break that down? I haven't (and wont) watch film. Is it the kicker? Is the line missing assignments? Is the formation we're using not working? What's the problem? If its the kicker, do we even have another one to insert?

and then to add insult to injury we see this article in the New Jersey Herald of all places (I have never heard of it) that walks through a day in the life of AB as a coach.  The article mentions ZERO about Defense or Special Teams. (You would hope that the Head Coach at least acknowledges those two important aspects of the game).  With so much emphasis and "cheat sheets" and "old school" football coaching lingo being used in the article you would think that AB has recreated the revolutionary Wing T offense and opposing defenses are baffled by it.  Instead we look like a second rate lower tier Div. III team that hasn't won a game in 10 years. 

This is why I am "worried" and "concerned".  If people view that as negative then I am sorry.  Please go put your "Rose-Colored" glasses on like 07.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: VTRAM on September 11, 2017, 04:11:01 pm
In a vacuum 4 penalties to open the game looks brutal. I've already broken down the penalties in another post above. I'll put the delay of game on Coach. The others? Not so much. You can make the argument that the frosh shouldn't have been out there, but I don't know the situation enough to comment. 4 penalties to open the game is terrible - I'm not making excuses. I'm just not attributing it so some sort of program tailspin either.

As far as the kicks... can anyone break that down? I haven't (and wont) watch film. Is it the kicker? Is the line missing assignments? Is the formation we're using not working? What's the problem? If its the kicker, do we even have another one to insert?

Yes we have a kicker to replace him who just happens to be one of the highest rated players we have recruited.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 11, 2017, 04:15:50 pm
Yes we have a kicker to replace him who just happens to be one of the highest rated players we have recruited.

I wonder why he didn't win the job out of camp? The current situation is clearly not working for us.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 11, 2017, 04:26:50 pm
I am still of the thought that maybe CCSU is better than we thought. Time will tell.

I do think that right now we are not as good as many of us originally thought or had hoped, to state the obvious. Our D is as average as it was last year, and that might be generous. Our O seems a step back. Not sure the O is good enough to win in the gunslinging fashion that might be necessary. We are fortunate that we do not have any PL games for a few weeks.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: southcarolinaram on September 11, 2017, 04:41:09 pm
The hiring of Breiner reminds me of the hiring of Dabo Swinney by Clemson. I believe Dabo was the tight ends coach and I know he was promoted over several coaches on the staff and there was no national search. That hire has worked out pretty well.

As far as Rich Rodriguez is concerned, a young coach could pick a lot worse mentor.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: VTRAM on September 11, 2017, 04:59:41 pm
I am still of the thought that maybe CCSU is better than we thought. Time will tell.

I do think that right now we are not as good as many of us originally thought or had hoped, to state the obvious. Our D is as average as it was last year, and that might be generous. Our O seems a step back. Not sure the O is good enough to win in the gunslinging fashion that might be necessary. We are fortunate that we do not have any PL games for a few weeks.

Having Chase and Longhi healthy are obviously huge for us on getting the O clicking. I think they along with KA are our 3 best players on offense.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: PA Ram on September 11, 2017, 05:01:55 pm

As far as Rich Rodriguez is concerned, a young coach could pick a lot worse mentor.

here's the quote from the article:  

Quote
"To prepare for that, Breiner uses a "cheat sheet," a tip he took from a talk given by Arizona coach Rich Rodriguez during a clinic.
"He listed different coverages and different fronts and just a call or two that were his favorite calls against those," Breiner said. "So that if he ever got into a game and they showed him something different or they were stuck and couldn't seem to get the right plays called, he would go back to that cheat sheet."

I don't read "mentor" out of that.  I read "he had a good idea at a clinic I attended".  


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 11, 2017, 05:04:57 pm
here's the quote from the article:  

I don't read "mentor" out of that.  I read "he had a good idea at a clinic I attended".

Excellent was to bring reason into this.

In southcarolinaram's defense, he was only replying to the claims by at least on other poster that referred to RR as Breiner's mentor.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: An Old Coach on September 11, 2017, 05:13:51 pm
I'm not understanding the issue with a "cheat sheet".  I don't know a lot of coaches who don't use something like that.  I've always thought it was pretty basic to coaching.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Richie68 on September 11, 2017, 06:13:08 pm
Just one other thought on the CCSU game.  It actually may have looked worse than it was.

We were down 17-0 after the first few minutes of the game because we allowed a 95 yard kickoff return for a touchdown, a fumble on offense which set up a 32 yard field goal and a fumble on offense which was returned for a touchdown.  Really, really bad.....2 fumbles and bad kickoff coverage in the first few minutes.

However, after that, we outscored CCSU by 38-14, not great, but not bad, considering that Chase had gone out by the third quarter with his injury.

Those initial mistakes really made us look bad and it does look bad for a team to do that, but in totality, after our mistakes, we weren't that bad and our defense came through for us at the end.

I'm hoping for no mistakes against EWU and our defense to hold up.  Apparently, their defense is no great shakes either (although they did play two really good teams to start).


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ramdad on September 11, 2017, 06:25:06 pm
I agree with this post ....either way we are still 1 and 1 after the first 2 games....pretty much where we thought we would be


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Kaup on September 11, 2017, 06:40:02 pm
and then to add insult to injury we see this article in the New Jersey Herald of all places (I have never heard of it) that walks through a day in the life of AB as a coach.  The article mentions ZERO about Defense or Special Teams.
Are you familiar with the Associated Press? Because that's who wrote the story.  And the article makes zero mention of defense and special teams, because the whole article is about creating an offensive game plan, an aspect of the game in which Breiner has earned a strong reputation due to the role he played in our offense the last five years.  You have some points I agree with scattered throughout this thread, but 07 is eating your lunch in this debate, and I think 71 summed up most of our feelings best.  A lot of it comes back to preseason expectations.

That said, offline I have been critical of Breiner since the Navy game last year, mostly for reasons already mentioned, so I get the current level of concern, frustration, disappointment, criticism, etc.  I also think the comparisons to Pecora have some merit - I'd rather see Breiner drawing up new plays in the dirt with a stick than sticking to his playbook as we're getting our asses kicked.  Obviously if he succeeds we succeed, so I want to see him right the ship.  Maybe CCSU and Army are better than we expected.  Did Monmouth just smoke Lehigh? Maybe I was overreacting to that loss last season.  I felt penalties were a problem under Moorhead too, so maybe this isn't such a red flag.  Maybe the first two games were an anomaly or maybe the beginning of a sophomore slump for the young head coach.  Time will tell, but a lot of the conclusions and criticisms are unwarranted and just plain silly.  Rich Rodriguez is a poor mentor?  Breiner took one idea from the guy at a coaching clinic!  Breiner's unfit to coach?  We'll be lucky to win three games?  He still has a winning record and two of his losses came against offenses that legitimate FBS squads have difficulty defending.  I would've liked to have seen a real coaching search two years ago, and I think his hiring was probably premature (game preparation, play calling, defense, special teams, penalties are driving me nuts too), but I'm sure as Hell not running Breiner out of town in week 2.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ramjam on September 11, 2017, 08:08:55 pm
I'm not understanding the issue with a "cheat sheet".  I don't know a lot of coaches who don't use something like that.  I've always thought it was pretty basic to coaching.
I believe the point is, of course he uses a cheat sheet. Everyone does. The piece written positions him as some guru, when in fact, he is doing the same $hit most coaches do at the high school level. IMO it shows a lack of self awareness and maturity. It is comical.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 11, 2017, 10:55:41 pm
Just one other thought on the CCSU game.  It actually may have looked worse than it was.

We were down 17-0 after the first few minutes of the game because we allowed a 95 yard kickoff return for a touchdown, a fumble on offense which set up a 32 yard field goal and a fumble on offense which was returned for a touchdown.  Really, really bad.....2 fumbles and bad kickoff coverage in the first few minutes.

However, after that, we outscored CCSU by 38-14, not great, but not bad, considering that Chase had gone out by the third quarter with his injury.

Those initial mistakes really made us look bad and it does look bad for a team to do that, but in totality, after our mistakes, we weren't that bad and our defense came through for us at the end.

I'm hoping for no mistakes against EWU and our defense to hold up.  Apparently, their defense is no great shakes either (although they did play two really good teams to start).


Richie, there were two instances later in the game when CCSU receivers were wide open in the secondary. Wide open.

EWU will make us pay for that.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 12, 2017, 07:34:28 am
The hiring of Breiner reminds me of the hiring of Dabo Swinney by Clemson. I believe Dabo was the tight ends coach and I know he was promoted over several coaches on the staff and there was no national search. That hire has worked out pretty well.


He was the OC and then made interim head coach before he was hired.

For every Dabo there is an Ed Foley. If you go in this unorthodox direction and promote a 31 y/o coach, the leash is likely short.  Hopefully it works out but it will inevitably lead to high scrutiny if things go sideways, based on the nature of the hire.  We are still 1-1 and 1-0 in our level of play, so its not all bad at this juncture. Plenty of talent on this team.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 12, 2017, 08:30:09 am
Programs that are winning oftentimes hire from within. I was and am still ok with the hire. I think the program had a bit more sustained success than under Clawson and the move was worth taking. I do agree that the leash should be shorter in this type of situation since it was a calculated risk.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 12, 2017, 08:39:03 am
here's the quote from the article:  

I don't read "mentor" out of that.  I read "he had a good idea at a clinic I attended".  


Some people like to stretch the truth or just come up with their own version of the truth to fit their narrative. I try to ignore it, but I must admit I do a poor job of it  >:D


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Ram I Am on September 12, 2017, 11:25:33 am
We are 1-1 which is exactly where we should be.  There is a ton of stuff that we need to clean up but let's not go into full on Category 5 panic mode just yet.  After watching the Army game, it is clear this was an unwinnable game for us.  I would be surprised if Army is not ranked before the season is throug.  The CCSU game was disappointing, and I have serious concerns about our injuries, but we bounced back from a 17-0 deficit which says something about us.  The poor special teams play and - at times - porous defense says something about us too.  Coach B and his staff clearly need to work on those things, but let's wait until the PL games begin before writing this team off.   


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Scott W 86 on September 12, 2017, 11:56:00 am
My God ... we sure can jump in the muck and roll around in it faster than any population I've ever seen.   

The young man starts his career 9-4 and gets this load of crap dumped on his locker room door!

When did we turn into entitled Crimson Tide fans?  When did we get the 'right' to be this way? Of course have the 'right' to be delusional, unreasonable, unrealistic, nit-picky (Rich Rodriguez cheat sheet triggers some!).... even bitter.  But it is corrosive. It's not a positive force.

It hurts fundraising
It hurts recruiting  (yes... recruits and their dads read these boards if they are serious about a program)

Here's a hypothetical  .... suppose we go a disappointing 7-4 or 6-5.  Would you really derail two years of recruiting, lose young players, lose the best assistants, push back program gains ... double down on risk ....  by switching horses?


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: tuckertomm on September 12, 2017, 12:39:46 pm
Wow, let's taste the soup before we salt it. There are people grumbling on the EWU fan board about their new HC a hire from within. Only two games into the season. Let's pump the breaks. Go Rams!


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 12, 2017, 01:43:12 pm


It hurts fundraising
It hurts recruiting  (yes... recruits and their dads read these boards if they are serious about a program)

Here's a hypothetical  .... suppose we go a disappointing 7-4 or 6-5.  Would you really derail two years of recruiting, lose young players, lose the best assistants, push back program gains ... double down on risk ....  by switching horses?

Every coach is on the hot seat the day they accept the job.  When you hire a 31 y.o guy, the leash is shorter.....its reality.......but the football guys and Gridiron folks at Fordham have been pretty smart with the hiring and firing, so I agree to let it pan out.......if it doesn't the right folks are in place to make decisions, in my view.....they have proven themselves....


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: southcarolinaram on September 12, 2017, 05:24:18 pm
Dabo was NOT the Offensive Coordinator.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Fordham Lurker on September 13, 2017, 07:08:02 am
Breiner is 9-4 in his head coaching career.  Two of those losses are to FBS teams.  He obviously must be fired.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 13, 2017, 07:46:11 am
Dabo was NOT the Offensive Coordinator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabo_Swinney

In 2008, he was the OC  interim HC, according to Wiki. He also played at Alabama and had 7 years of coaching experience under his belt at the best program in the country. 

Regardless, anyone with a functioning brain stem can see that right now this team appears discombobulated from a coaching standpoint. You dont wait it out like Frank to let it hit rock bottom. You start to evaluate right now.  Anyone with 5 seconds of experience in sports knows that you start to evaluate the day the coach is hired. And right now there are a lot of red flags. Red flags often mean nothing this early, and things straighten out.....but it doesnt mean that you ignore them. This is a sports discussion board so of course people will be pointing to the obvious red flags.....porous D line, completely inept special teams and a kicker who cant lift it 2 feet off the ground.....the HC hired a new D coordinator this year and to me that is the biggest question mark right now....that hire by the HC...but again, the football and Gridiron folks have a proven track record of knowing what they are doing, so I trust it is in good hands.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 13, 2017, 08:11:34 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabo_Swinney

In 2008, he was the OC  interim HC, according to Wiki. He also played at Alabama and had 7 years of coaching experience under his belt at the best program in the country. 

Regardless, anyone with a functioning brain stem can see that right now this team appears discombobulated from a coaching standpoint. You dont wait it out like Frank to let it hit rock bottom. You start to evaluate right now.  Anyone with 5 seconds of experience in sports knows that you start to evaluate the day the coach is hired. And right now there are a lot of red flags. Red flags often mean nothing this early, and things straighten out.....but it doesnt mean that you ignore them. This is a sports discussion board so of course people will be pointing to the obvious red flags.....porous D line, completely inept special teams and a kicker who cant lift it 2 feet off the ground.....the HC hired a new D coordinator this year and to me that is the biggest question mark right now....that hire by the HC...but again, the football and Gridiron folks have a proven track record of knowing what they are doing, so I trust it is in good hands.

From the same wiki page:
Many fans and pundits criticized his lack of coordinator let alone head coaching experience, as well as the fact that he had been on the staff of fired coach Tommy Bowden.

From Tommy Bowden's wikie page:
Assistant head coach/wide receivers coach Dabo Swinney was named as interim head coach for the remainder of the season.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 13, 2017, 08:50:36 am
He was "interim" HC and OC at the same time. Then after that short stint, they hired him as permanent HC. But its splitting hairs. He spent 7 years at Alabama and there is absolutely zero correlation between his hiring and success to us hiring a 31 y/o head coach with no search process.

I understand the dynamic,  a hot young up and comer and he could have been scooped up by a big program as OC . So Fordham struck quickly and took the calculated risk of hiring such a young coach. Is he the youngest HC in D1 football?  It will inevitably meet with great scrutiny and a short leash, that is how it works. Coaches understand that, goes with the territory.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 13, 2017, 09:02:49 am
He was "interim" HC and OC at the same time. Then after that short stint, they hired him as permanent HC. But its splitting hairs. He spent 7 years at Alabama and there is absolutely zero correlation between his hiring and success to us hiring a 31 y/o head coach with no search process.

I understand the dynamic,  a hot young up and comer and he could have been scooped up by a big program as OC . So Fordham struck quickly and took the calculated risk of hiring such a young coach. Is he the youngest HC in D1 football?  It will inevitably meet with great scrutiny and a short leash, that is how it works. Coaches understand that, goes with the territory.

It might be splitting hairs, but you went there. He inherited the OC as the same time he inherited the HC, so he was never an OC before being a HC.  As southcarolinaram pointed out, there is a correlation in that there was no national search. Perhaps not enough of a correlation, that can be argued, but certainly not zero correlation.

I agree that the leash right now should be short. Need to be on top of it now, so that it does not spiral.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: An Old Coach on September 13, 2017, 09:29:58 am
It might be splitting hairs, but you went there. He inherited the OC as the same time he inherited the HC, so he was never an OC before being a HC.  As southcarolinaram pointed out, there is a correlation in that there was no national search. Perhaps not enough of a correlation, that can be argued, but certainly not zero correlation.

I agree that the leash right now should be short. Need to be on top of it now, so that it does not spiral.

What leash would you like to see?  He's the coach now.  Once you hire a guy it's his show.  This was a weak hire on the basis of not doing a search.  On paper, he's done well, as has been pointed out. He's the coach now until he's not. 


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: RamAlum13 on September 13, 2017, 09:44:58 am
Breiner is 9-4 in his head coaching career.  Two of those losses are to FBS teams.  He obviously must be fired.

^^^ thank you


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 13, 2017, 09:45:04 am
What leash would you like to see?  He's the coach now.  Once you hire a guy it's his show.  This was a weak hire on the basis of not doing a search.  On paper, he's done well, as has been pointed out. He's the coach now until he's not. 

If we're going to use basketball analogies... how about Foley's leash v. Pecora's leash. One extended about 2 years, the other about 5.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 13, 2017, 09:45:50 am
^^^ thank you

I actually pointed that out maybe 2-3 pages ago but was told that I "don't get it." Whatever that means.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 13, 2017, 09:46:15 am
What leash would you like to see?  He's the coach now.  Once you hire a guy it's his show.  This was a weak hire on the basis of not doing a search.  On paper, he's done well, as has been pointed out. He's the coach now until he's not. 

I do not want to see the leash. That's done internally. Point being, you give him less opportunity to fail than you would if say Moorhead had a down year. We are not there yet though.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 13, 2017, 09:51:13 am
It might be splitting hairs, but you went there. He inherited the OC as the same time he inherited the HC, so he was never an OC before being a HC.  As southcarolinaram pointed out, there is a correlation in that there was no national search. Perhaps not enough of a correlation, that can be argued, but certainly not zero correlation.

I agree that the leash right now should be short. Need to be on top of it now, so that it does not spiral.

He was still the OC, even for a short period of time. He was not the HC he was the interim HC. Like Jared.

Comparing the national champions and a coach with Alabama pedigree to a coach with Lock Haven pedigree is no correlation. You want to find a very young HC at our level who succeeded, then we can discuss, but tapping into a guy who played at Alabama and coached for 7 years at Alabama , to me, is apples and oranges. We obviously have one very pertinent example in Ed Foley. 

The leash is shorter because we were a perennial national power and have a very large budget and a any roll back to mediocrity should not be tolerated. Its been definitively proven that you can win here. The bar should be set very high.  And, I am just surmising but I would assume he is not locked into a long term, high dollar contract, which always shortens a leash.  That's what killed us with Hill and Pecora. You want a seasoned HC then you have to give them a long term deal. You take a flyer on a hot up and comer, you dont need to do that.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 13, 2017, 09:57:23 am
He was still the OC, even for a short period of time. He was not the HC he was the interim HC. Like Jared.

Comparing the national champions and a coach with Alabama pedigree to a coach with Lock Haven pedigree is no correlation. You want to find a very young HC at our level who succeeded, then we can discuss, but tapping into a guy who played at Alabama and coached for 7 years at Alabama , to me, is apples and oranges. We obviously have one very pertinent example in Ed Foley. 

The leash is shorter because we were a perennial national power and have a very large budget and a any roll back to mediocrity should not be tolerated. Its been definitively proven that you can win here. The bar should be set very high.  And, I am just surmising but I would assume he is not locked into a long term, high dollar contract, which always shortens a leash. 

I said I agree with the leash being short.

As to the correlation, you are splitting hairs.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 13, 2017, 09:59:09 am
Clemson are the national champions and they hired a coach who played and coached at Alabama. That's a different world than the Patriot League and a coach from Lock Haven,

   


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 13, 2017, 10:06:16 am
Clemson are the national champions and they hired a coach who played and coached at Alabama. That's a different world than the Patriot League and a coach from Lock Haven, 

At that level, hiring a coach with zero HC/OC experience after no national search is crazier than a PL team that has had average success in the playoffs hiring their current OC as head coach.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: RamAlum13 on September 13, 2017, 10:56:15 am
I actually pointed that out maybe 2-3 pages ago but was told that I "don't get it." Whatever that means.

hahahah this place is a trip

I love it though


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 13, 2017, 11:00:35 am
hahahah this place is a trip

I love it though

+1


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Fordham Lurker on September 13, 2017, 11:11:07 am
I actually pointed that out maybe 2-3 pages ago but was told that I "don't get it." Whatever that means.

No, you get it.  And "it" is despite obvious preparation concerns evident at the start of our first two games, this coach has to date done what is expected of him, and should be allowed to work on these concerns without negativity from us.  I'm sure he's well aware that the team has not come onto the field adequately prepared and that he's working on that.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 13, 2017, 11:37:37 am
Likely new thread worthy but the issue to me is what is the expectation of the program in the post Morehead era?  To me its to be in the playoffs every year or be in contention for a bid at year's end. Some of that of course is out of your hands. Its been proven it can be done here. Last year, one bad loss and we just missed, so that is pretty close. 9-3 I would say is meeting  expectation level. But if we slip to .500 this year, then what?  I like this coach and with a new DC, its a lot of work, but expectations are high as the bar was set very high by the prior coach.   


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Rich93 on September 13, 2017, 12:19:13 pm
You can't ignore that the rest of the PL now has several years of scholarships.  The playing field is level so I would expect us to lose more games now regardless of who the coach is. 


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: Scott W 86 on September 13, 2017, 01:08:42 pm

Regardless, anyone with a functioning brain stem can see that right now this team appears discombobulated from a coaching standpoint. You dont wait it out like Frank to let it hit rock bottom. You start to evaluate right now.  Anyone with 5 seconds of experience in sports knows that you start to evaluate the day the coach is hired. And right now there are a lot of red flags. Red flags often mean nothing this early, and things straighten out.....but it doesnt mean that you ignore them. This is a sports discussion board so of course people will be pointing to the obvious red flags.....porous D line, completely inept special teams and a kicker who cant lift it 2 feet off the ground.....the HC hired a new D coordinator this year and to me that is the biggest question mark right now....that hire by the HC...but again, the football and Gridiron folks have a proven track record of knowing what they are doing, so I trust it is in good hands.

I think that is fair. Evaluation from day 1 .... definitely.

I'll never forget the quote from one of the Mara's during Bill Parcell's first year as Head Coach.  He let it slip ... "well, what I think is Bill Parcells is a terrific Assistant Coach"



Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 13, 2017, 01:44:38 pm
No, you get it.  And "it" is despite obvious preparation concerns evident at the start of our first two games, this coach has to date done what is expected of him, and should be allowed to work on these concerns without negativity from us.  I'm sure he's well aware that the team has not come onto the field adequately prepared and that he's working on that.

FWIW, it would b great to hear words to that effect from the coach's post game remarks.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: jimbo65 on September 13, 2017, 02:28:12 pm
FWIW, it would b great to hear words to that effect from the coach's post game remarks.
If you are referring to the e-mail we received earlier this week, I agree 100%.  Replied in a respectful fashion but cited our non-show at Army and falling behind by 17 v CCSU.  Almost, but didn't, take exception to him lauding the team effort coming back from a 17 point deficit.  The "team" are the ones who got us into the deficit in the first place with some help from the coaches.  Hope I am wrong but Saturday could be very ugly.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 13, 2017, 03:00:53 pm
If you are referring to the e-mail we received earlier this week, I agree 100%.  Replied in a respectful fashion but cited our non-show at Army and falling behind by 17 v CCSU.  Almost, but didn't, take exception to him lauding the team effort coming back from a 17 point deficit.  The "team" are the ones who got us into the deficit in the first place with some help from the coaches.  Hope I am wrong but Saturday could be very ugly.

Yes and this from post game (Hartford Courant):

"You had two teams who left it all out on the field today," said the 33-year-old, baby-faced Breiner, who went 8-3 in his first season after replacing Joe Moorhead. "We got the pick six at the end, and that was ultimately the difference but a testament to how special the game of football is. I'm incredibly proud of our young men and battling through some adversity, battling from being down and coming back. I'm really impressed by them and proud of them."

Now, I understand the power of positive thinking, but I like the idea (the necessity) of the coach setting the tone for the program. I think that it's great that he lauds the players for tenacity, but it would be entirely appropriate for him to say that the slow starts (and other negatives) in the first two games of the season are unacceptable.

Poor ball security, bad special teams play, blown assignments in the secondary. These need to be called out. Play like that in the league and they will be toast.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: ace93 on September 13, 2017, 04:11:54 pm
Yes and this from post game (Hartford Courant):

"You had two teams who left it all out on the field today," said the 33-year-old, baby-faced Breiner, who went 8-3 in his first season after replacing Joe Moorhead. "We got the pick six at the end, and that was ultimately the difference but a testament to how special the game of football is. I'm incredibly proud of our young men and battling through some adversity, battling from being down and coming back. I'm really impressed by them and proud of them."

Now, I understand the power of positive thinking, but I like the idea (the necessity) of the coach setting the tone for the program. I think that it's great that he lauds the players for tenacity, but it would be entirely appropriate for him to say that the slow starts (and other negatives) in the first two games of the season are unacceptable.

Poor ball security, bad special teams play, blown assignments in the secondary. These need to be called out. Play like that in the league and they will be toast.

I am not convinced it needs to be called out publicly.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: VTRAM on September 13, 2017, 04:39:19 pm
This week will be telling. Week 3. At Home vs a premier program. This is the type of game we should compete in like we did with Villanova when they played at our place. If we are not competitive then I think we need to start questioning the direction.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: NYRam07 on September 13, 2017, 05:04:50 pm
Yes and this from post game (Hartford Courant):

"You had two teams who left it all out on the field today," said the 33-year-old, baby-faced Breiner, who went 8-3 in his first season after replacing Joe Moorhead. "We got the pick six at the end, and that was ultimately the difference but a testament to how special the game of football is. I'm incredibly proud of our young men and battling through some adversity, battling from being down and coming back. I'm really impressed by them and proud of them."

Now, I understand the power of positive thinking, but I like the idea (the necessity) of the coach setting the tone for the program. I think that it's great that he lauds the players for tenacity, but it would be entirely appropriate for him to say that the slow starts (and other negatives) in the first two games of the season are unacceptable.

Poor ball security, bad special teams play, blown assignments in the secondary. These need to be called out. Play like that in the league and they will be toast.

there's no question he's chewing them out behind closed doors. The media is no place for a coach to admonish his team, and neither is an email to alums.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 71 on September 13, 2017, 06:10:04 pm
there's no question he's chewing them out behind closed doors. The media is no place for a coach to admonish his team, and neither is an email to alums.

I think it's perfectly OK to say "we need to value the ball more, we need to play better on special teams, we need to be ready before the first whistle, and we need to have the team better prepared."

There needs to be a clear, consistent message of expectations for the program, what is acceptable and what is not. That message should not vary from private to public. It won't (and shouldn't) be expressed in the same terms or at the same volume, and I'm not saying he should call out individuals.

But saying "I'm impressed" doesn't strike me as the message you want to send.

Players, family, and friends read the media. They see what he says.  There should be no mixed message.

It's a small thing, but I don't think it's insignificant.


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: PA Ram on September 13, 2017, 09:49:41 pm
I know where you're coming from, '71.  There's a difference between saying something that accentuates the positive (even if behind closed doors you're ripping into them) versus coming off as genuinely pleased with how things played out.  Tough to pin it down exactly but this comes off too much like the former and not enough of the latter. 

Regardless, let's hope we show up and play like the team we were all hoping for on Saturday!


Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: xtey92a on September 13, 2017, 10:01:00 pm
I am not convinced it needs to be called out publicly.

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Title: Re: Fordham @ CCSU
Post by: 85 on September 14, 2017, 08:04:01 am
there's no question he's chewing them out behind closed doors. The media is no place for a coach to admonish his team, and neither is an email to alums.

Unfortunately, coach speak is important these days.  You can lose a fan base very quickly if you talk nonsense to them.  Every coach has a style of speaking. Nick was the other way, his players always were awful ...... but it was somewhat comical to hear him speak.......Hill was a crackpot and that was pretty quickly understood when he opened his mouth.....Pecora talked utter nonsense about building a program and he lost the fans very quickly because of the complete disconnect between what was happening on the court and what he was saying......Moorhead I thought, spoke very well, and he made a lot of sense when he discussed things with the fans.....you start talking in Pecora-ese and you can alienate some fans very quickly....its not easy these days with all the media coverage.....some coaches take the high road and praise the team and then take the bullet and blame themselves for any shortcomings......but its just one game and we did win it...... but the jury is out on how we perform going forward.....a win this weekend shuts all of us up.....for quite some time!