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Title: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: dadas2002 on September 12, 2017, 03:29:36 pm
Documentary on Chase posted by Fordham Athletics posted on Facebook today:

https://youtu.be/D7C7OBBKRc4 (https://youtu.be/D7C7OBBKRc4)


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: An Old Coach on September 12, 2017, 04:16:30 pm
Not a great idea...


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: JohnG92 on September 12, 2017, 04:55:52 pm
Not a great idea...

I guess every opponent on the schedule wasn't jacked up enough... 


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: ace93 on September 12, 2017, 07:03:26 pm
I guess every opponent on the schedule wasn't jacked up enough... 

What?


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: ramjam on September 12, 2017, 07:58:33 pm
What?
More ammunition and motivation to prevent the "Chase for the Record". HC needs to prevent this from being filmed or at least posted. Further evidence that we have run amok.

EWU 63
FU 24


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 13, 2017, 12:21:55 am
Good God this is stupidity at the highest level.  How high up the totem pole does this decision making go?  Head Coach, Roach, WHO???

I am actually shocked that we, as an institution, are approving of this. 

Please, somebody on this board convince me that I am "negative" and that there is no issue with this going public. 



Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Kaup on September 13, 2017, 01:06:33 am
Gimme a break.  If any player on any team on our schedule doesn't already know Chase is coming, or needs to watch this to get fired up or prepare for us in any way ... well, that's an opponent I'm not terribly worried about.  What program wouldn't jump at a chance to be on A Season With ... on Showtime?  How many athletic departments are banning College Game Day or SportsCenter from Campus?  That said, I think it would have been more interesting to include Chase's senior year and broadcast the program after the season, but just judging from the first episode, this isn't going to hurt us.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 13, 2017, 01:32:15 am
If Ram-Louse thinks it's stupid, it must be okay. If you look up "negative" in the dictionary, you'll see his picture there, as the perfect illustration.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: ace93 on September 13, 2017, 08:08:58 am
The video itself was not very interesting, to be quite honest.

As for it being done at all, I do recall many here saying recently that we should be doing something to promote Chase, that guys like him don't come around often and we should be doing everything we can to let the world know about him. Well there you go.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: An Old Coach on September 13, 2017, 08:21:26 am
is Fordham producing this?


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: PA Ram on September 13, 2017, 08:23:57 am
The video itself was not very interesting, to be quite honest.

As for it being done at all, I do recall many here saying recently that we should be doing something to promote Chase, that guys like him don't come around often and we should be doing everything we can to let the world know about him. Well there you go.

agreed 1000% (especially about it not being terribly interesting).  It certainly shows him as a team player looking to give credit to his OL and teammates.  Have no clue where the goofy comment about this getting opponents "jacked up" is coming from in particular. 

I was going to post something similar that just prior to the season there were posts ripping the admin for not promoting Chase or the program enough and the same handful of posters are now ripping an article on our coach and a documentary on our star player.  For those it seems that any criticism is fair and accurate and anything that comes out of the administration or program is automatically ridiculed or held in contempt. 

I'm really down on the staff, players and program right now for how we've started the season and really hope we can somehow turn things around.  That said, I'm not going to rip on everything that emanates from Rose Hill about our program as being yet another sign of the program or administration's ineptitude.  Seems many on here must have some sort of personal grudge or something going on wrong at home. 



Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: PA Ram on September 13, 2017, 08:26:52 am
is Fordham producing this?

Not sure but they are promoting it.  Found this which gives a schedule that some posters can put in their calendar so they can get to work now on posts ripping the administration, coaches, players, etc.  It's clear there's no need to view or read the content before claiming something was the dumbest idea ever so they can all get a jump on it now and have it queued up:

http://www.fordhamsports.com/news/2017/9/12/football-first-episode-of-chasing-greatness-live.aspx (http://www.fordhamsports.com/news/2017/9/12/football-first-episode-of-chasing-greatness-live.aspx)


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: JohnG92 on September 13, 2017, 08:38:36 am
agreed 1000% (especially about it not being terribly interesting).  It certainly shows him as a team player looking to give credit to his OL and teammates.  Have no clue where the goofy comment about this getting opponents "jacked up" is coming from in particular. 

I was going to post something similar that just prior to the season there were posts ripping the admin for not promoting Chase or the program enough and the same handful of posters are now ripping an article on our coach and a documentary on our star player.  For those it seems that any criticism is fair and accurate and anything that comes out of the administration or program is automatically ridiculed or held in contempt. 

I'm really down on the staff, players and program right now for how we've started the season and really hope we can somehow turn things around.  That said, I'm not going to rip on everything that emanates from Rose Hill about our program as being yet another sign of the program or administration's ineptitude.  Seems many on here must have some sort of personal grudge or something going on wrong at home. 


If you have a problem with me just say it.  I've been supportive of the program since I graduated.  I didn't "rip" anything. I can have an opinion just like you can.  Things are fine at home thanks, and I don't have a grudge -- I'm actually very proud of what was accomplished a long time ago.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: NYRam07 on September 13, 2017, 08:51:23 am
This is much ado about nothing. This video isn't going to get anyone jacked up to play Fordham/Chase. He's been tearing teams up for 3 years... putting up 200 + yard games on people. This is the breaking point? A video? Get Real.

Sometimes Fordham is damned if they do, damned if they don't. People wanted frigging bill boards and media blitzes to get him on the Heisman stage and others are freaking out about a meaningless video.



Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: NYRam07 on September 13, 2017, 08:56:00 am
Good God this is stupidity at the highest level.  How high up the totem pole does this decision making go?  Head Coach, Roach, WHO???

I am actually shocked that we, as an institution, are approving of this. 

Please, somebody on this board convince me that I am "negative" and that there is no issue with this going public. 



What about it bothers you so much? the production quality? the plot line? do you think this is going to be used as bulletin board material? Are you worried that we blew our cover, and now teams know we have a great running back?! Ooops!


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: RamAlum13 on September 13, 2017, 09:46:46 am
looks cool


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: toby on September 13, 2017, 09:50:08 am
Not sure why people dislike this type of coverage.  AT LEAST IT IS SOMETHING!  Obviously, the BOT, Admin and our Alum are not dropping $$ to market athletics or continue to build our programs, so we have to do with what we have to market the university. 

It is 2017 folks, not 1984.  Wake-up.  Applaud the young man.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: 71 on September 13, 2017, 09:58:54 am
Frankly, I'm more concerned that his leg is OK.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: ram it 66 on September 13, 2017, 10:48:00 am
It reads "Episode 1." Should we expect more?


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: ace93 on September 13, 2017, 10:50:11 am
It reads "Episode 1." Should we expect more?
Not sure but they are promoting it.  Found this which gives a schedule that some posters can put in their calendar so they can get to work now on posts ripping the administration, coaches, players, etc.  It's clear there's no need to view or read the content before claiming something was the dumbest idea ever so they can all get a jump on it now and have it queued up:

http://www.fordhamsports.com/news/2017/9/12/football-first-episode-of-chasing-greatness-live.aspx (http://www.fordhamsports.com/news/2017/9/12/football-first-episode-of-chasing-greatness-live.aspx)


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: An Old Coach on September 13, 2017, 11:24:29 am
Not sure but they are promoting it.  Found this which gives a schedule that some posters can put in their calendar so they can get to work now on posts ripping the administration, coaches, players, etc.  It's clear there's no need to view or read the content before claiming something was the dumbest idea ever so they can all get a jump on it now and have it queued up:

http://www.fordhamsports.com/news/2017/9/12/football-first-episode-of-chasing-greatness-live.aspx (http://www.fordhamsports.com/news/2017/9/12/football-first-episode-of-chasing-greatness-live.aspx)

Well, if Fordham isn't producing it, the can't be ripped for it, which I wasn't about to do.  If they aren't producing it, who is?  Interns... a video production class?  I'm not getting the point of it.  It's nice enough, not particularly compelling.  What's the goal of taking the time to produce what looks to be several episodes?


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: joea on September 13, 2017, 11:42:19 am
I would hazard a guess that the players think this is pretty cool.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: toby on September 13, 2017, 12:29:01 pm
As you can see from the introductory credits, it is a combination of a couple freelance folks and Joe DiBari/interns.  You actually see JD within the first shot.

It will be more interesting to view, as the season progresses, insight into the postgame results, managing academics, and rebounding from an injury etc.  Also, I guarantee you that meeting when he turned off the mic was with an NFL scout or team representative, which was an interesting piece.

You would think this might have been pitched to SNY or MSG so they could produce or broadcast, much like the PJ Fleck Show, Notre Dame, UCONN etc.  they all have them as part of their marketing strategy. 

At the very least, could we structure a deal digitally with those companies and have them host it on their sites??? 


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: toby on September 13, 2017, 12:32:52 pm
by the way, those football offices are still locked into 1980's. 

Larry Glueck called, he wants his office back.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: ace93 on September 13, 2017, 12:43:13 pm
by the way, those football offices are still locked into 1980's. 

Larry Glueck called, he wants his office back.

When I was there, one of those offices used to be Murph's office when he was the strength and conditioning coach and also did things for intramurals. I think the other was the intramurals office.

I would say it is unbelievable, but it is very believable unfortunately.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 13, 2017, 01:09:45 pm
What about it bothers you so much? the production quality? the plot line? do you think this is going to be used as bulletin board material? Are you worried that we blew our cover, and now teams know we have a great running back?! Ooops!

Let's say that we all (99.9%) agree that this "documentary" is a good thing.....Then why didn't it come out the week of or week before the West Point game?  Why now?  What makes it even more embarrassing is the fact that It comes out the day that it is publicly acknowledged that Chase is severely injured and most likely won't play for a few weeks and may not ever be the same as he was in the past.  The whole thing screams amateur-hour.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: NYRam07 on September 13, 2017, 01:32:09 pm
Let's say that we all (99.9%) agree that this "documentary" is a good thing.....Then why didn't it come out the week of or week before the West Point game?  Why now?  What makes it even more embarrassing is the fact that It comes out the day that it is publicly acknowledged that Chase is severely injured and most likely won't play for a few weeks and may not ever be the same as he was in the past.  The whole thing screams amateur-hour.


This is the second time you've said "he may never be the same." Why are you saying that? Do you know something we don't? RBs get ankle sprains, they miss time, and they come back. Unless its something much more serious, there's no reason to believe he wont be the same once he's healed. If he tries to come back too early, or play hurt, he obviously wont be 100% but that's a far cry from "may never be the same."

Are you just being a sensationalist? I'm asking in all seriousness. What's up?


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Scott W 86 on September 13, 2017, 11:22:02 pm
I hate to break this to some but no one on this board is the target market for this communication.

The target market are high school prospects, in their junior and sophomore seasons.

This style totally mimics the current style of reality, behind the scenes productions that players eat up.  Think of the wildly successful HBO Hard Knocks series and the surprise Netflix hit “Last Chance U.” Even niche entities like USA Football produced a popular season long series behind the scenes at Long Beach Pol HS.   Trust me, it’s everywhere. Kids and player parents can’t get enough of it.

For example…. The Fort Worth Star Telegram produced a season long series following a perennial state champ, Aledo HS.  For them it engaged younger viewers with an old, and largely irrelevant,  newspaper brand.

For those on the board saying it was less than ‘interesting’ … usually the interesting stuff is the conflict, drama, foul language and coaches losing their minds in anger.  No place for that in this initiative.

I bet if they had a creative brief the objective was “Give us a video we can distribute to the widest set of prospects possible” 
The goal of the video/series is “make Fordham look like a place you can see yourself playing at.”

My son got these from schools coast to coast.  It was the easiest way to get a sense of whether he wanted to even visit.  There were several that went from ‘not on my list’ to ‘yeah, I’d like visit.’   I asked him to react to it.  He said ... "cool"

The elements this Fordham video smartly featured included…
-They made Coffey look big by shooting the tall rear of the stands, shooting the field from the visitor side.
-The training facilities were well branded and looked normal
-guys having more fun than bustin’ their ass
-piles of food that seemed enjoyable
-a young coach giving positive presentation …. Better than a b buster
-the campus looked attractive
-the team chemistry looked great

It pays off in other ways…. like offering nice reward to Chase for all he’s given, and his loyalty.  The other guys love seeing themselves in these things.  This is the first generation that values 'fame' more than they value 'being rich'   They'll be stoked by this series.

I found it a healthy break from the ancient photos of past greatness. I has happy not to listen to an out of key version of our fight song that pops up in many of our videos. 

* No nostalgia
* No resemblance to out of date icons
* No straw hats, cheerleaders outfits designed by nuns, elderly fans, polite crowds

The worst part was that the team meeting had to be in an old Keating classroom. I took Business Planning in that theater style room 30 years ago  :o

Welcome to 2017 ... good to see Fordham playing to the present rather than the past. 

Vince Lombardi would approve if it helped attract players  ;)



Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: DamnRam on September 14, 2017, 12:01:26 am
I agree with Scott.  I think this was well done, considering its purpose.  Yes, it was boring to me, but the general feeling I had after watching it is that Chase is mostly "keeping it real" at Fordham, that it's an unpretentious place.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 14, 2017, 12:54:38 am
If Ram-Louse thinks it's stupid, it must be okay. If you look up "negative" in the dictionary, you'll see his picture there, as the perfect illustration.

Clueless!


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 14, 2017, 01:02:53 am

This is the second time you've said "he may never be the same." Why are you saying that? Do you know something we don't? RBs get ankle sprains, they miss time, and they come back. Unless its something much more serious, there's no reason to believe he wont be the same once he's healed. If he tries to come back too early, or play hurt, he obviously wont be 100% but that's a far cry from "may never be the same."

Are you just being a sensationalist? I'm asking in all seriousness. What's up?

Did you see Chase at practice today?  No.  He is still on crutches.  It is a high ankle sprain.  This injury will linger all year.

You never answered my questions from above.  Why did this come out now?


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: ace93 on September 14, 2017, 08:09:19 am
The worst part was that the team meeting had to be in an old Keating classroom. I took Business Planning in that theater style room 30 years ago  :o

I think the worst part was the walk to and into the coach's office. If it was walking through an old building that has some great history, it'd be one thing, but that's not the case.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: 85 on September 14, 2017, 08:17:42 am
Did you see Chase at practice today?  No.  He is still on crutches.  It is a high ankle sprain.  This injury will linger all year.

You never answered my questions from above.  Why did this come out now?


Are you a doctor in your country?


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: NYRam07 on September 14, 2017, 09:20:26 am
Did you see Chase at practice today?  No.  He is still on crutches.  It is a high ankle sprain.  This injury will linger all year.

You never answered my questions from above.  Why did this come out now?


Did you see Chase at practice today? You realize there's a big difference between a lingering injury and "he may never be the same again" right?

I don't know what it came out now, but who cares. I'm sure it had something to do with a schedule they had set. Maybe they didn't complete it before the Army game. I don't really know lol. You're over thinking it


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Ram I Am on September 14, 2017, 09:46:05 am
Chase is a top notch talent and an impressive young man, but the piece was pretty dull IMO.  I can't imagine someone without an emotional attachment to the program or the school would invest the 10 minutes to watch this.  I'm not sure who the target audience is for this.  I agree its not a bad thing - and something is better than nothing.  I just didn't find it to be a compelling piece.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: ace93 on September 14, 2017, 09:49:43 am
Chase is a top notch talent and an impressive young man, but the piece was pretty dull IMO.  I can't imagine someone without an emotional attachment to the program or the school would invest the 10 minutes to watch this.  I'm not sure who the target audience is for this.  I agree its not a bad thing - and something is better than nothing.  I just didn't find it to be a compelling piece.

Amen.

I watched it in the hope that it would make my time on the treadmill less boring. It only mildly succeeded.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: An Old Coach on September 14, 2017, 10:39:21 am
Scott nailed it.  We're not the audience.  Hopefully it is an effective piece to those it's targeted to.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: DamnRam on September 14, 2017, 03:48:12 pm
Scott nailed it.  We're not the audience.  Hopefully it is an effective piece to those it's targeted to.

What I've heard and read is that today's "yoots" are very cynical of hype and spin.  That's why I think this segment, boring as it may seem, will be successful in its limited purpose. 

It shows real people, real buildings (drab and gritty as they may be).  Football players in a cafeteria, trainer room, meeting, etc.  Routine stuff all the way for a football player.  Yes there are some pictures of Chase scampering and scoring in front of a crowd, but there's no attempt to make it seem like this is Florida State.  Even the video's flaws make it seem more "authentic".  I put that in quotes because obviously there is some degree of staging involved, even if just a heads up to everyone that Chase and a camera crew will be coming through so act "natural".

Looking forward to the next segment, but I can't say I'm on the edge of my seat.





Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 15, 2017, 06:30:59 pm
Clueless!

You certainly are.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 16, 2017, 11:58:04 am
You certainly are.

Time will tell....is it you or me.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 17, 2017, 01:36:13 am
I'm taking bets.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 17, 2017, 02:07:40 am
I'm taking bets.

clearly after today it showed that you are/were clueless....

Make sure that you clean your Rose-Colored Glasses.  Or better yet throw them out. 

You can't put lipstick on this.....


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 17, 2017, 04:59:26 pm
No. What I am is a fan of Fordham athletics, who supports our teams in good times and bad, and who does not give up after a bad loss or even two. You, on the other hand, are a miserable, nasty, cranky malcontent who would much rather tear down than support. I call you louse because that is exactly what you are. Take your venom and shove it.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Rich93 on September 17, 2017, 05:31:06 pm
No. What I am is a fan of Fordham athletics, who supports our teams in good times and bad, and who does not give up after a bad loss or even two.

I am not sure basketball fans would agree with this statement but I like the idea. 


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 17, 2017, 05:57:08 pm
No. What I am is a fan of Fordham athletics, who supports our teams in good times and bad, and who does not give up after a bad loss or even two. You, on the other hand, are a miserable, nasty, cranky malcontent who would much rather tear down than support. I call you louse because that is exactly what you are. Take your venom and shove it.

Thank God you are not an Astronaut....with your thinking when you try to re-enter the atmosphere you would skip right off and go tumbling back into space.....

I am not Anti-Fordham nor Anti Chase.  I love that kid and think the world of him.  I just think that it is idiotic that we would endorse and submit a video of him the day that he officially becomes injured and not able to play going forward.  Why the Hell wouldn't we have endorsed and published this video a week before the West Point game?


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: DamnRam on September 17, 2017, 06:05:21 pm
Thank God you are not an Astronaut....with your thinking when you try to re-enter the atmosphere you would skip right off and go tumbling back into space.....

I am not Anti-Fordham nor Anti Chase.  I love that kid and think the world of him.  I just think that it is idiotic that we would endorse and submit a video of him the day that he officially becomes injured and not able to play going forward.  Why the Hell wouldn't we have endorsed and published this video a week before the West Point game?

1. Perhaps it wasn't ready?
2. Perhaps it wasn't as important as something else the editor was working on?

Also, the fact that he got injured would not be a reason to not release such a video.  In fact, knowing that he is injured makes me look forward to seeing the episode that will (hopefully) deal with that topic.  That's exactly the kind of thing that will "keep it real" for the kind of audience that likes reality-shows.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 17, 2017, 07:15:03 pm
I am not sure basketball fans would agree with this statement but I like the idea.

Rich, you and I have certainly had our disagreements, some of them quite heated. That said, I do support all Fordham athletic teams. It's no secret that football is my favorite sport, or that I consider it Fordham's true marquee sport. Nevertheless, I attend many basketball games each year and cheer as loudly as anyone for our Rams, and I hold out hope for a much improved record this year.

Rose-colored glasses, Ram-Louse? Hardly. Just a loyal fan.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Rich93 on September 17, 2017, 08:30:48 pm
Rich, you and I have certainly had our disagreements, some of them quite heated. That said, I do support all Fordham athletic teams. It's no secret that football is my favorite sport, or that I consider it Fordham's true marquee sport. Nevertheless, I attend many basketball games each year and cheer as loudly as anyone for our Rams, and I hold out hope for a much improved record this year.

Rose-colored glasses, Ram-Louse? Hardly. Just a loyal fan.


I guess someone else was posting under your name.  Look forward to your measured posts if we get embarrassed twice in our first 3 basketball games but I am not holding my breath


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 17, 2017, 11:28:54 pm
I realize that this is a football thread, but I want to add just one more post that concerns basketball. I do not know for sure, Rich, but I suspect that your last post refers to my older posts that stated my belief that our men's basketball team ought to leave the Atlantic 10 and join a conference where we might have greater success. I make no apology for this and I do not believe that this marks me as anything but a loyal fan who wants his team to succeed and doesn't care about league affiliation. You, on the other hand, have said that you will not support the team if it were to return to the Patriot League. So who is the true fan?


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Rich93 on September 17, 2017, 11:45:57 pm
I've made it clear what I am a fan of, you make grand pronouncements and then try to cover up.  Explain to me how a marquee sport draws flies for a game against a nationally ranked team in the home opener with students on campus?  questions were raised about basketball attendance which was fine.  Ok to ask but now you are in the barrel. We were ranked preseason but this marquee matchup was a dud.  Not a word from you on that issue. How can a marquee sport not raise money for new offices?  All I hear is how great the grid iron club is, how is that not done?  Good news is homecoming and parents weekend will help attendance as usual but man we could not draw for play off games in the marquee sport. I know I was at those games.

 If we end up slipping back in the PL will you call for us to join the NEC?   If you haven't  noticed the Moorhead honeymoon is over everyone has a few years of scholarships now.  Moorhead saw it coming and got out of dodge.  All this talk of coaching, everybody forgets that little fact. Inquiring minds want to know.  7 million FCS PL football you better be better than this. At least A-10 we get tv and tournament money. If you can't get a crowd for a ranked team at home WTF are we doing?  Hopefully we turn this around like Neubauer did last year after a tough start. Hopefully people follow your advice and you follow you own in a few months if necessary. 


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 18, 2017, 12:49:41 am
I am not at all pleased with attendance at our football games and have said so several times on this forum. Frankly, I think it's a disgrace that we don't draw "flies'" as you put it. I don't have an answer for the weak attendance at football or basketball games. Perhaps today's Fordham students are just not that interested in Ram sports. I don't know. I also don't know what you mean when you write that I'm "try(ing) to cover up." Cover up what?

If you mean the EWU game, what would you have me say? That we were overmatched? That we were outclassed? I was there. I saw what happened. I wasn't pleased with our showing after the first quarter, but this was a game that represented a major upgrade in scheduling, and it was a contest that we were not likely to win. I refused to join in the lynch mob mentality of those posters calling for Breiner's ouster after the blowout. There are eight more games in the season, and a winning record, indeed the PL championship, is still very much a possibility.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: 85 on September 18, 2017, 07:49:01 am
"I refused to join in the lynch mob mentality of those posters calling for Breiner's ouster after the blowout. "

Anyone can see that this team is poorly coached in several areas. It is far from a lynch mob mentality. You hire a green coach with very little experience and make him the youngest or one of the youngest coaches in D1 football, then you better be ready for a quick  hook if things start to go sideways. You dont wait until it blows up, like Frank used to do.

I havent seen one post here asking for Breiner to be fired, as you allude to in your post FUCOP, so please point one out if there is one. However, he should now be on hot seat. Given the nature of the hire, he doesnt get 4 years to make it work.  He gets 2.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Rich93 on September 18, 2017, 07:51:18 am
I am not at all pleased with attendance at our football games and have said so several times on this forum. Frankly, I think it's a disgrace that we don't draw "flies'" as you put it. I don't have an answer for the weak attendance at football or basketball games. Perhaps today's Fordham students are just not that interested in Ram sports. I don't know. I also don't know what you mean when you write that I'm "try(ing) to cover up." Cover up what?

If you mean the EWU game, what would you have me say? That we were overmatched? That we were outclassed? I was there. I saw what happened. I wasn't pleased with our showing after the first quarter, but this was a game that represented a major upgrade in scheduling, and it was a contest that we were not likely to win. I refused to join in the lynch mob mentality of those posters calling for Breiner's ouster after the blowout. There are eight more games in the season, and a winning record, indeed the PL championship, is still very much a possibility.


You claimed to support all Fordham sports and that is proposterous. You would have been trashing basketball for three weeks if they played like this. You would have killed the attendance and argued they have no business even playing the league. You would have mocked them barely beating CCSU a bad team in a bad conference. Yet now you call people a lynch mob who are criticizing football in a way that pales in comparison to your treatment of basketball which you most certainly do not and have not supported despite your assertions. One person commented on the dismissal attendance in the game thread, Richie68.  Everyone else ignored it, I remeber entire attendance threads in the hoops section which you and others here spearheaded.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: DamnRam on September 18, 2017, 11:57:48 am
Perhaps today's Fordham students are just not that interested in Ram sports.

+1.  This is the only logical explanation.  Just stating the obvious that these students came to Fordham despite it's long and generally undistinguished performance in marquee athletics.  If the college sports fan experience were important to them most would have gone elsewhere.

Expecting these kids to show up because it's the right thing to do to support the team and alma mater is not realistic.  The only way you get them to show up is through enticements, having a brand name opponent come visit, and/or have a winning team.  Having said that, if we start getting really sustained success, particularly in basketball I think given there is limited FCS appeal, then I expect we would get a different kind of student.  Not trying to make it a basketball vs. football thing because ultimately success in one provides a base to build up the other.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: RamAlum13 on September 18, 2017, 12:39:49 pm
Jesus Christ...I can't wait til we win a few games and everyone stops bickering (hopefully)


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Scott W 86 on September 18, 2017, 01:06:49 pm
I bet McShane loves it when Fordham sports fans are fighting about which sports program to raid for funds!

... rather than pushing him to support athletics in ways to raise all boats. 


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 18, 2017, 01:23:28 pm
I bet McShane loves it when Fordham sports fans are fighting about which sports program to raid for funds!

... rather than pushing him to support athletics in ways to raise all boats. 

He could care less.  If he did care he would get the non-sports fan/Emmy watching student body to get their fannies into seats.

We are lost....


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: ace93 on September 18, 2017, 03:05:09 pm
He could care less.

So you are saying he cares to some extent.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: NYRam07 on September 18, 2017, 03:17:18 pm
So you are saying he cares to some extent.

 :D


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 18, 2017, 05:14:13 pm
I havent seen one post here asking for Breiner to be fired, as you allude to in your post FUCOP, so please point one out if there is one.

HKRam's reply no. 5 in the Defensive Autopsy thread.

However, he should now be on hot seat. Given the nature of the hire, he doesnt get 4 years to make it work.  He gets 2.

I have no problem with a short leash, but I want a thoughtful decision made at the end of the season. Any talk now about firing this coach or starting a Pecora-like thread is just foolish and harmful to the program, in my opinion.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 19, 2017, 01:23:40 am
So you are saying he cares to some extent.

you  said it not me...Wins and losses mean ZERO to Father McShane.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 19, 2017, 01:25:59 am
I have no problem with a short leash, but I want a thoughtful decision made at the end of the season. .
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LOL....and there was a "thoughtful decision" made with Coach AB's hiring.......Actually the decision of his hiring was totally calculated.....


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: 85 on September 19, 2017, 07:46:19 am

 

I have no problem with a short leash, but I want a thoughtful decision made at the end of the season. Any talk now about firing this coach or starting a Pecora-like thread is just foolish and harmful to the program, in my opinion.

Huge budget, proven program, you do no search and promote an unproven coach as the youngest D1 coach in country. That's a recipe for a lot of heat and a lot of vitriol if it starts going sideways. I dont think you will be able to stop that roller coaster. Hopefully we dont go that way. In my view that makes it a very easy and self-evident decision. The tougher decision at years end will be if the team finishes 4-7 or 5-6, that's when you really need to see if its a learning curve or the start of a dumpster fire.........I dont think anyone will be happy if we become a perennial .500 team, the bar has been set higher.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: ace93 on September 19, 2017, 08:12:55 am
you  said it not me...Wins and losses mean ZERO to Father McShane.

I think you missed my point.


Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Touchdown17 on October 03, 2017, 08:30:43 pm
next episode is up     focuses on his early and HS years.   

http://www.fordhamsports.com/news/2017/10/3/football-watch-episode-2-of-chasing-greatness.aspx



Title: Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 04, 2017, 12:15:58 am
next episode is up     focuses on his early and HS years.   

http://www.fordhamsports.com/news/2017/10/3/football-watch-episode-2-of-chasing-greatness.aspx



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