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Title: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 24, 2017, 09:05:37 pm
Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 24, 2017, 09:48:50 pm
No, but you and HKRam should be. Have either one of you two geniuses attended a single practice or spoken to the coaches since the season began?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on September 24, 2017, 10:17:53 pm
No.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on September 24, 2017, 10:45:16 pm
Fucop

Why would you name call or personally insult anyone? I've not done that to you nor AOC. We are discussing whether AB should stay or go. Please stay on topic.

Breiner is a weak coach right now, and I think most on this board would agree that he should not have been hired in the first place. He has set the program back 5 years, and appears to have lost his players at this point. It would not come as a shock to see some of the best recruits leave.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 24, 2017, 11:26:38 pm
Fucop

Why would you name call or personally insult anyone? I've not done that to you nor AOC. We are discussing whether AB should stay or go. Please stay on topic.

That discussion now is absurd. We are only 4 games into the season, we have not played a single league game, and Breiner is not going anywhere. If you want to have this discussion after the season, and if his record warrants it, then fine.

Breiner is a weak coach right now, and I think most on this board would agree that he should not have been hired in the first place. He has set the program back 5 years, and appears to have lost his players at this point. It would not come as a shock to see some of the best recruits leave.

You continue to state your opinions as facts. Where were you last season when Breiner's record was 8-3? If you want to speak for yourself, fine, but do not presume to speak for most on these boards. Are you aware that the best recruit we have had in the FCS era was recruited by Breiner? I didn't think so. Read the Daily News article to see what Chase thinks of Breiner.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on September 25, 2017, 06:20:34 am
No, but you and HKRam should be. Have either one of you two geniuses attended a single practice or spoken to the coaches since the season began?

What does going to a practice or speaking to a coach have to do with anything? Coaches are judged on wins and losses on Saturday plain and simple. In sure the coaches are nice guys so why would "talking to them" make a difference about Saturday's results. Going to practice? Last I checked coaches nobody is keeping score at practice , so again why does anything you say make sense.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on September 25, 2017, 07:06:46 am
You are on the hot seat the day that you are hired.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on September 25, 2017, 07:08:09 am
Fucop

Why would you name call or personally insult anyone? I've not done that to you nor AOC. We are discussing whether AB should stay or go. Please stay on topic.

Breiner is a weak coach right now, and I think most on this board would agree that he should not have been hired in the first place. He has set the program back 5 years, and appears to have lost his players at this point. It would not come as a shock to see some of the best recruits leave.



I've been around football a long time.  Mostly good programs; one or two stinkers. There isn't a lot I haven't seen from high school to D-III to the high levels of what is now FBS.  

This team is taking a step back from the Moorhead years.  That was to be expected. Could not have been avoided, IMO. Go look up what happened to the Packers the years after Lombardi retired or Alabama after The Bear.  It's always tough to be the guy who follows the guy.  Moorhead was truly The Guy.  He's also being hit with Fordham no longer being the only scholarship program in the PL, his star player being hurt and the fact that even under JM, there was a lack of focus on the defensive side of the ball.  And oh ya, I can't imagine how they thought hiring a guy with a couple of years as an assistant was a good idea.

I honestly don't see what campaigning to get AB bounced is going to do for the program.  We haven't played a PL game yet.  To say he lost the program is absurd.  You have no idea.  They scored 40 points last week.  When guys quit playing you'll know.  They won't be scoring 40.  And if you are successful in getting AB fired, how can you have any confidence the people who hired him will get it right this time?  This is Fordham. We don't know for sure who really runs the athletic program.  Does anyone know if AB has a contract for next year?

This is all going to play out in the next 2 months.  If he goes or stays will not be affected by this board.  The administration is immune to pressure.  There are no big donors to placate.  The only thing this will do is distract the team which I'm sure right now feels like crap and the rumors must be flying.  Not a good way to start a new practice week.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on September 25, 2017, 07:10:40 am
You are on the hot seat the day that you are hired.

+1. That's the fact of it all.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on September 25, 2017, 07:15:29 am
I think you have to anticipate so things do not hit the nadir, which seems to happen a lot at Fordham. However, this is not Pecora or Hill or DW. Not a crazy big mouth making absurd statements. Nice young guy, got a chance he probably never should have gotten and its starting to backfire. If it continues, I expect to see a change. Hopefully, he rights the ship. But you cant let it slide back too far.

 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on September 25, 2017, 08:26:09 am
I think it's too soon to make a move on AB. Fordham is a tough place to win consistently. I like to think of Fordham as like an Iowa, TCU, Washington state kind of program atva smaller scale.

Meaning that the Facilities are not up to par with others in the league, the academic reputation is not the same as other in the league so year in and year out it's a grind to remain competitive. However if you can get some skill and some toughness , along with a good coach like clawson and JM who can get the most out of it , you have a chance to compete every few years. Especially now that the field is level with scholarships for all, it's tough to bank 9-10 wins every year but we can't fall back to 1-11 like we have in the past


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on September 25, 2017, 08:35:09 am
Perhaps Ram-Spouse should define "hot seat".  There are different ideas being thrown around here, that to me are more than just being on the "hot seat". Heck, in one reply AOC replies "no" and in another he gives a +1 to 85 who said you are on the hot seat the day you are hired. There is also discussion of a campaign and making a move, which to me is beyond the idea of being on the hot seat.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on September 25, 2017, 08:39:50 am
I think it's too soon to make a move on AB. Fordham is a tough place to win consistently. I like to think of Fordham as like an Iowa, TCU, Washington state kind of program atva smaller scale.

Meaning that the Facilities are not up to par with others in the league, the academic reputation is not the same as other in the league so year in and year out it's a grind to remain competitive. However if you can get some skill and some toughness , along with a good coach like clawson and JM who can get the most out of it , you have a chance to compete every few years. Especially now that the field is level with scholarships for all, it's tough to bank 9-10 wins every year but we can't fall back to 1-11 like we have in the past

They hired a 31 y/o with limited experience.That makes for a shorter leash in my view. I think if we hit 2-9; 3-8 he is history.  Sorry AB, but's the way it is.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on September 25, 2017, 08:56:08 am
Perhaps Ram-Spouse should define "hot seat".  There are different ideas being thrown around here, that to me are more than just being on the "hot seat". Heck, in one reply AOC replies "no" and in another he gives a +1 to 85 who said you are on the hot seat the day you are hired. There is also discussion of a campaign and making a move, which to me is beyond the idea of being on the hot seat.

Agreed.  "Hot seat" connotes different things. The topic of this string and how 85 said it are two different things.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on September 25, 2017, 09:12:36 am
Hot seat that this thread connotes is should he be worried about his job right now, due to the performance. I say yes, if this tanks to 3-8, I think he gets fired. It was a very risky if not flat out stupid hire, but more importantly, no process,little to no vetting, a knee jerk......typical old Fordham thinking...


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: VTRAM on September 25, 2017, 09:17:57 am
For me this depends on one thing. Are the breakdowns on defense and special team due to Coaching or lack of talent. The offense has been fine and clearly Breiner feels more comfortable with that side of the ball.

On Defense, the performance so far has not been acceptable. I have no where near the football accumen to determine if that is due to Coaching, lack of talent, or a combo of both. Breiner hired this DC so if it coaching then it is on him. I have a hard time blaming him for lack of talent as he has only had two recruiting classes and the upperclassmen belong to Joe M.

Overall there are other signs that point to a lack of organization and preparation that are very concerning. He gets more time but he has not helped himself thus far.




Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Man on September 25, 2017, 09:53:10 am
Does anyone know Coach Breiner's contract status.  I was told at the EWU game that he has a year-to-year contract.  Is that true, that would be good information for this pole.  If it is true, then he already is on the hot seat

 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on September 25, 2017, 10:00:11 am
Unless there are reasons other than Wins and Losses, I don't think this conversation is appropriate until after the season. We haven't played a league game yet, and we need to see how that plays out. I don't buy any of the "he lost his players BS" unless someone can back that up with facts.

HKRam... you're under attack because you're like a vulture. You're not very active and then when we hit a bump In the road against Army you showed up calling coach weak and saying we'd be lucky to win 3 games this year. Appears that you have an axe to grind.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 25, 2017, 10:18:36 am
Unless there are reasons other than Wins and Losses, I don't think this conversation is appropriate until after the season. We haven't played a league game yet, and we need to see how that plays out. I don't buy any of the "he lost his players BS" unless someone can back that up with facts.

HKRam... you're under attack because you're like a vulture. You're not very active and then when we hit a bump In the road against Army you showed up calling coach weak and saying we'd be lucky to win 3 games this year. Appears that you have an axe to grind.

So what is the purpose of this site.  Pat each other on the back, converse about what a great facility JCF is and complement the Coach on that great play call on 3rd and 9 in the 2nd Quarter of the game against EWU?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Free the F 4 on September 25, 2017, 10:40:17 am
Until I saw for myself this weekend I would have considered any talk of dismissing AB premature.  This game against Bryant was appalling.  Saw the first half on the Fordham side, up close and personal.  No life on the bench, it appears that the strength and conditioning progress we made in recent years has lagged, a whole lot of pudgy middles and not just the pug uglies. Team is soft, defense is weak and the schemes are embarrassingly easy to fool.  LB's are the worst I can remember.  Spoke with several parents and alums at half time who stated the kids have tuned AB out.  Offense never gave up, commendable effort but the were betrayed constantly by the D.  P#ss poor tackling throughout the second half, way out of position and out hustled on the end around that Bryant took to the house.  Really disappointed.  If the Defense doesn't adjust, Peter Pujals of HC is going to be able to name his own score.  I think a shakeup is called for before league play, at the very least put the DC from Bucknell on notice....one and done if this keeps up.  Props to Kevin A, Cory C, and Zac D, but not many others.  My two cents and that's what its worth!


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on September 25, 2017, 10:45:13 am
So what is the purpose of this site.  Pat each other on the back, converse about what a great facility JCF is and complement the Coach on that great play call on 3rd and 9 in the 2nd Quarter of the game against EWU?

Like the Seinfeld episode, it's about nothing really.  Just an excuse to waste lots of time we could be spending on something more productive.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on September 25, 2017, 10:51:02 am
So what is the purpose of this site.  Pat each other on the back, converse about what a great facility JCF is and complement the Coach on that great play call on 3rd and 9 in the 2nd Quarter of the game against EWU?

Do I need to agree with everything you're saying, because you're saying it? Take alook around, there's countless threads and conversations going on. I don't think its appropriate to talk about firing a coach before we know his final record, let alone entered league play. What was Masella's record his first year before winning the PL Title? 2-9? Are we going to fire every coach that has a losing record during a season? He was 8-3 last year. This is a premature discussion, imo.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 71 on September 25, 2017, 11:00:17 am
Until I saw for myself this weekend I would have considered any talk of dismissing AB premature.  This game against Bryant was appalling.  Saw the first half on the Fordham side, up close and personal.  No life on the bench, it appears that the strength and conditioning progress we made in recent years has lagged, a whole lot of pudgy middles and not just the pug uglies. Team is soft, defense is weak and the schemes are embarrassingly easy to fool.  LB's are the worst I can remember.  Spoke with several parents and alums at half time who stated the kids have tuned AB out.  Offense never gave up, commendable effort but the were betrayed constantly by the D.  P#ss poor tackling throughout the second half, way out of position and out hustled on the end around that Bryant took to the house.  Really disappointed.  If the Defense doesn't adjust, Peter Pujals of HC is going to be able to name his own score.  I think a shakeup is called for before league play, at the very least put the DC from Bucknell on notice....one and done if this keeps up.  Props to Kevin A, Cory C, and Zac D, but not many others.  My two cents and that's what its worth!

Pretty much saw the same, plus Roach, Ellwood, and Gray (none looking happy, as could be expected) on the sidelines away from the team (Jeff, BTW looks like he has been frequenting the buffet table . . .).

I will say this: Bryant looked like a pretty good football team. They certainly know how to move the ball.  They play UNH Saturday, should be an interesting result. I think UNH is less formidable than in the past.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on September 25, 2017, 11:05:48 am
Until I saw for myself this weekend I would have considered any talk of dismissing AB premature.  This game against Bryant was appalling.  Saw the first half on the Fordham side, up close and personal.  No life on the bench, it appears that the strength and conditioning progress we made in recent years has lagged, a whole lot of pudgy middles and not just the pug uglies. Team is soft, defense is weak and the schemes are embarrassingly easy to fool.  LB's are the worst I can remember.  Spoke with several parents and alums at half time who stated the kids have tuned AB out.  Offense never gave up, commendable effort but the were betrayed constantly by the D.  P#ss poor tackling throughout the second half, way out of position and out hustled on the end around that Bryant took to the house.  Really disappointed.  If the Defense doesn't adjust, Peter Pujals of HC is going to be able to name his own score.  I think a shakeup is called for before league play, at the very least put the DC from Bucknell on notice....one and done if this keeps up.  Props to Kevin A, Cory C, and Zac D, but not many others.  My two cents and that's what its worth!

Serious Question for you... did the parents mention why they're tuning him out? He's not an outsider, many of these guys have known him for 4+ years. They won with him as an assistant coach and last year as a HC. What's the deal?

As a player I never bought into this type of crap. To me, that's more of an issue with the players than the coach. unless there is something more to it... sounds like we have some quitters on the squad.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 71 on September 25, 2017, 11:32:25 am
Serious Question for you... did the parents mention why they're tuning him out? He's not an outsider, many of these guys have known him for 4+ years. They won with him as an assistant coach and last year as a HC. What's the deal?

As a player I never bought into this type of crap. To me, that's more of an issue with the players than the coach. unless there is something more to it... sounds like we have some quitters on the squad.

Pure speculation here . . . I think if this is happening, it is due to losing (and I know there's a chicken/egg thing there) and style contrast from JM to AB. From what I understand, JM could be loud and talk up a storm, but he was the calm in the storm on the sidelines, especially when things were going sideways. In honesty I haven't seen the team close up except for the Bryant game, but when I saw AB pay attention to the players, it was pretty strident, quick bursts of exhortation, and walk away.

When he was the OC, he had one thing to concentrate on, and with that he had the brains behind it right there to back him up. Now he's got three phases to worry about, new staff on the D side, a serious injury situation, the focus on him.  I wouldn't be surprised if he is fraying a little and maybe the team is picking up on it.

When this type of thing is going on, I think it's less about X's and O's and mostly about leadership. That is usually a combination of getting people to do what they don't want to do, or showing them how to do what they do want to do.  AB may be a great HC on day. Right now we're seeing him on the learning curve.

p.s.  I didn't realize this, but it looks like aside from the HC, 9 out of a staff of 14 are new to the program this year.  So that adds to the HC's issues somewhat.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: fordham81 on September 25, 2017, 11:46:09 am
Fucop

Why would you name call or personally insult anyone? I've not done that to you nor AOC. We are discussing whether AB should stay or go. Please stay on topic.

Breiner is a weak coach right now, and I think most on this board would agree that he should not have been hired in the first place. He has set the program back 5 years, and appears to have lost his players at this point. It would not come as a shock to see some of the best recruits leave.



Breiner was given the keys to a Ferrari, and has promptly driven it into a ditch.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 25, 2017, 12:01:03 pm
Do I need to agree with everything you're saying, because you're saying it? Take alook around, there's countless threads and conversations going on. I don't think its appropriate to talk about firing a coach before we know his final record, let alone entered league play. What was Masella's record his first year before winning the PL Title? 2-9? Are we going to fire every coach that has a losing record during a season? He was 8-3 last year. This is a premature discussion, imo.

where in this thread have I said anything about firing Coach Breiner?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on September 25, 2017, 12:19:47 pm
Breiner was given the keys to a Ferrari, and has promptly driven it into a ditch.

If the program is a Ferrari, he should have gotten the Car Fax to go with it.  There were a couple of underlying issues that are pretty obvious if you look underneath the hood.  He inherited far from a perfectly humming machine.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on September 25, 2017, 12:22:14 pm
where in this thread have I said anything about firing Coach Breiner?

What do you mean by "hot seat" then?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on September 25, 2017, 12:27:16 pm
What do you mean by "hot seat" then?

Maybe he's thinking of the heated seats in the luxurious cargo truck he insists that Fordham football needs in order to be "big time".

Oh yeah, I just went there.   ;D


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: xtey92a on September 25, 2017, 01:28:10 pm
The hottest seat in NYC is in the stands at JCF. A few steps away on Constitution Row is at least 20 degrees cooler. 

I'm not a fan of the circular firing squad, His record will speak for itself.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: fred on September 25, 2017, 03:50:33 pm
Like the Seinfeld episode, it's about nothing really.  Just an excuse to waste lots of time we could be spending on something more productive.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 25, 2017, 04:02:31 pm
Breiner was given the keys to a Ferrari, and has promptly driven it into a ditch.

Promptly? He was 8-3 last season. You pathetic Debbie Downers are off the rails. Your definition of promptly and mine are vastly different. As for "[getting] the keys to a Ferrari," see Coach's post above.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on September 25, 2017, 04:17:37 pm
where in this thread have I said anything about firing Coach Breiner?

 ::)


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram Alum 07 on September 25, 2017, 04:32:07 pm
Promptly? He was 8-3 last season. You pathetic Debbie Downers are off the rails. Your definition of promptly and mine are vastly different. As for "[getting] the keys to a Ferrari," see Coach's post above.

We should have been better last year.  The Lehigh loss in particular was embarrassing...  I think Patriot League play will be telling.  If the wheels fall off, then he should be gone.  There is definitely potential for a Foley 2.0 here.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on September 25, 2017, 04:55:53 pm
He is simply not ready for this role, and it's not working out.

Let's actually begin that national search since he is year to year.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 25, 2017, 06:26:13 pm
What do you mean by "hot seat" then?

No contract extension, fire the defensive coordinator after next game, have a sit down with Roach and have there be specific measurements.....ie. penalty improvement, turnovers lower, special teams improve.....I can give you 10 others. 

Yes the hot seat means that we are watching and lack of improvement will lead to termination....


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 25, 2017, 06:26:54 pm
::)

thanks for the non answer.....I never said fired in this thread.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 25, 2017, 06:28:06 pm
We should have been better last year.  The Lehigh loss in particular was embarrassing...  I think Patriot League play will be telling.  If the wheels fall off, then he should be gone.  There is definitely potential for a Foley 2.0 here.

The Lehigh loss was a disaster last year.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: RoRam on September 25, 2017, 07:55:05 pm
The Lehigh loss was a disaster last year.
Plus the 2nd half lead we lost in the Monmouth game.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: JCMB on September 25, 2017, 10:11:23 pm
We should have been better last year.  The Lehigh loss in particular was embarrassing...  I think Patriot League play will be telling.  If the wheels fall off, then he should be gone.  There is definitely potential for a Foley 2.0 here.
I was at that Lehigh game last year.  It was awful.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on September 25, 2017, 10:31:33 pm
No contract extension, fire the defensive coordinator after next game, have a sit down with Roach and have there be specific measurements.....ie. penalty improvement, turnovers lower, special teams improve.....I can give you 10 others. 

Yes the hot seat means that we are watching and lack of improvement will lead to termination....

Umm no.  That will solve nothing. Who would you like to see as DC in the middle of the season?  Matt Patricia has a job.  How many penalties are acceptable...turnovers?   AB has his program in place. He lives or dies with it.  There's nothing Roach can do at this point to improve the situation.   iBook idea to break the guys balls during the season. That will no doubt help.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 25, 2017, 10:36:28 pm
Umm no.  That will solve nothing. Who would you like to see as DC in the middle of the season?  Matt Patricia has a job.  AB has his program in place. He lives or dies with it. 

So losing 55-45 to Sagarin rated teams ranked in the 200's is acceptable and no responses need to be taken for this ineptitude?  I know that I am comparing apples and oranges but the Bengals fired their Off. Coord after 2 games.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on September 25, 2017, 10:43:53 pm
So losing 55-45 to Sagarin rated teams ranked in the 200's is acceptable and no responses need to be taken for this ineptitude?  I know that I am comparing apples and oranges but the Bengals fired their Off. Coord after 2 games.

It's ill be addressed at the end of the season.   That's what happens.  Maybe just fire AB and bring in a replacement next week.  Maybe call Dave Rice down in Marco Island and see if he wants to finish the season.

The Bengals are the NFL!!!     Do you think an assistant coach will come in and rescue the defense?  You're not being rational. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 25, 2017, 10:50:09 pm
It's ill be addressed at the end of the season.   That's what happens.  Maybe just fire AB and bring in a replacement next week.  Maybe call Dave Rice down in Marco Island and see if he wants to finish the season.

The Bengals are the NFL!!!     Do you think an assistant coach will come in and rescue the defense?  You're not being rational. 

AOC, I know the Bengals are in the NFL, but something needs to be shaken up.....We saw those defensive point statistics on the other thread......Would bringing in AD Emeritus Frank McLaughlin after the 5th game to be the Defensive Coordinator be any worse?  Would teams score 70 instead of 50?

This is a joke and exactly why we have this HOT SEAT thread.  Too many Rose Colored Glasses people walking around like Zombies driving the Rambacker Clown Car.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 26, 2017, 01:34:34 am
AOC, I know the Bengals are in the NFL, but something needs to be shaken up.....We saw those defensive point statistics on the other thread......Would bringing in AD Emeritus Frank McLaughlin after the 5th game to be the Defensive Coordinator be any worse?  Would teams score 70 instead of 50?

This is a joke and exactly why we have this HOT SEAT thread.  Too many Rose Colored Glasses people walking around like Zombies driving the Rambacker Clown Car.

No. That's just your cute little phrase for anyone who doesn't agree with your doomsday scenario. In fact, we are rational people who are willing to let the season play out before blowing everything up, unlike your little lynch mob here who seem to think that you can bring in new people in the middle of the season and turn things around on a dime. If this program is in fact the dumpster fire that you claim it is, who is going to want to come here right now in the midst of this breakdown, as you have described it. Your little band claims that Breiner has lost the team, that morale is low. What effect do you think these threads are having on team morale?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on September 26, 2017, 05:59:20 am
Of course the coach is on the hot seat given this slide, but in reality, the real heat should be focused on Roach right now, not on this young coach.

On the heels of several playoff appearances and top 25 rankings, the AD decided not to do any search whatsoever and simply hand over the reigns to a 31 y/o guy with extremely light credentials. This one is on the AD. 

There was very little if any discussion here at the time of the hire. Anyone have more info on how it went down? Was this a power play, like Breiner would leave and go with Moorehead?  I cant imagine that this was approved so quickly up the line.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on September 26, 2017, 06:55:43 am
AOC, I know the Bengals are in the NFL, but something needs to be shaken up.....We saw those defensive point statistics on the other thread......Would bringing in AD Emeritus Frank McLaughlin after the 5th game to be the Defensive Coordinator be any worse?  Would teams score 70 instead of 50?

This is a joke and exactly why we have this HOT SEAT thread.  Too many Rose Colored Glasses people walking around like Zombies driving the Rambacker Clown Car.

Frank?  Are you drunk?

Please explain to me what a new DC would do.  Would he bring in his own play book and start over?  Would he change the techniques that the team was working with for two months?  Change the drills the team uses in preparation every week?  I don't get what you'd want a new coach to bring in two months into the season.  Or you could keep everything the same and just have a new face as DC.  What would that accomplish?  And who would be the DC, a young coach who's never had the responsibility before?  Don't we already have that?

We haven't played a league game yet. We're going to have to get better but fortunately the PL looks very weak this year.  The coaches and players have to do a better job.  We can still make some noise.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 71 on September 26, 2017, 08:27:13 am
Of course the coach is on the hot seat given this slide, but in reality, the real heat should be focused on Roach right now, not on this young coach.

On the heels of several playoff appearances and top 25 rankings, the AD decided not to do any search whatsoever and simply hand over the reigns to a 31 y/o guy with extremely light credentials. This one is on the AD. 

There was very little if any discussion here at the time of the hire. Anyone have more info on how it went down? Was this a power play, like Breiner would leave and go with Moorehead?  I cant imagine that this was approved so quickly up the line.

And the AD must have known that JM was going to leave for at least a year, just not when. He was a hot commodity, he wasn't staying on RH for the rest of his career. It couldn't have been a surprise. AD's keep a list of possible replacements and coaches to keep their eyes on. Was AB always the plan?

You're right. It would be interesting to know what actually happened.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 26, 2017, 08:28:45 am
Frank?  Are you drunk?

Please explain to me what a new DC would do.  Would he bring in his own play book and start over?  Would he change the techniques that the team was working with for two months?  Change the drills the team uses in preparation every week?  I don't get what you'd want a new coach to bring in two months into the season.  Or you could keep everything the same and just have a new face as DC.  What would that accomplish?  And who would be the DC, a young coach who's never had the responsibility before?  Don't we already have that?

We haven't played a league game yet. We're going to have to get better but fortunately the PL looks very weak this year.  The coaches and players have to do a better job.  We can still make some noise.

That was a joke about Frank.  Yes, I agree with everything that you said.....

The problem is that we are now a lower to bottom tier PL team.  The statistics and rankings prove that. 

Yes, this is why there is a "hot seat" thread.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on September 26, 2017, 08:45:19 am
That was a joke about Frank.  Yes, I agree with everything that you said.....

The problem is that we are now a lower to bottom tier PL team.  The statistics and rankings prove that. 

Yes, this is why there is a "hot seat" thread.

Do you think AB doesn't know that?

I don't understand what firing the DC and Roach sitting him down for some meeting
will do except add distractions.   


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on September 26, 2017, 09:15:58 am
Of course the coach is on the hot seat given this slide, but in reality, the real heat should be focused on Roach right now, not on this young coach.

On the heels of several playoff appearances and top 25 rankings, the AD decided not to do any search whatsoever and simply hand over the reigns to a 31 y/o guy with extremely light credentials. This one is on the AD. 

There was very little if any discussion here at the time of the hire. Anyone have more info on how it went down? Was this a power play, like Breiner would leave and go with Moorehead?  I cant imagine that this was approved so quickly up the line.

+1.  Good process tends to produce good results.  Bad process, and especially no process, tends to produce bad results. 

It's tempting to just make a quick decision and be done with the matter, but then you end up owning the accountability for the results in a more personal way than you otherwise would.

I agree though there is no need to sit the coach down for a meeting to convey the importance of the matter.  That would be a distraction and the worst kind of micromanagement.  If anything would make it harder for Roach to hold the coach accountable at the end of the season since the coach could then say he was just following Roach's advice.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Chaka001 on September 26, 2017, 09:29:27 am
I have not been to a single game or even watched a game online... Thankfully.  With that being said I am disappointed that we are 1-3, where I predicted us to be 2-2, but at least be more competitive in the Army and EWU games and not have to struggle with our lone win at CCSU.  Based on the common comments on this board such as abundance of bad penalties, team looking disorganized and unprepared, defense and special teams fiascoes there are some red flags for concern.  The lone bright spot is decent offensive production especially without Chase.  I am guessing that is an accurate summary, excuse me if it is not.
...But there is no need for any firings.  Let the season play out and go from there.  

As for a hot seat, I think every coach knows they have to win or they are in jeopardy of losing their job. Some coaches may feel they have more leverage or almost feel they have tenure, but that lies on the coach.  If a coach is honest with themselves, they realize their status of being on the hotseat is based on their performance.  It's the Athletic Director's job to have a system in place and that grades the coaches performance so coaches are aware of their status (or level of seat heat) from year to year, much like a report card.  

One could debate the variables such as (win loss %, strength of schedule, graduation rate, disciplinary issues, expenses, resources relative to competition, assistant coaches performance, game day coaching, conditioning, etc.)  But the bottom line is the AD should address any lapses during the season and see what they can do to help.  The AD should try to do anything to put the coach in a situation to be successful.  Once the year concludes the report card is issued with specific goals and suggestions to improve ares of poor performance.  If it is time to make a decision, the sooner the better to allow for more time for the search.  
Plan B: an AD should always have a watch list of coaches they may consider should a coach leave or a coach is truly on the hot seat.  The list should be realistic candidates that would seriously consider the possible opening.

Moorhead: If Roach did not knew Moorhead was not going to leave, that is Frank level thinking.  I think Moorhead made it clear that we wanted facility upgrades (he told me himself) and even if major upgrades were implemented he was still going to pursue his goal of being a FBS coach.  Virtually every coach has the same goal so that is not a surprise to any AD.  Ex. Look at Clawson, he has I believe at 5 year deal at $2.3 mil.  He could be a complete failure at Wake and he banks over $11 mil, cha ching - set for life.  He basically crossed the coaching finish line (in terms of coin) and is in the bonus round for as long as he can make a run at it.
http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CFBCoachesSalaries.htm


AB: My GUESS is Moorhead gave AB a ringing endorsement and Roach took the bait and and went with the "continuity protege" rationale for the hire.  This type of stuff is not uncommon as it happens in other industries as well.  I just think when you have situations like this and ven more so when it appears a coaching search did not occur it is only fair that the immediate leash is shorter.  After all the candidate (AB) really did not have any competition and was handed the job.  I think that is only fair and I hope he realizes this.  I think Foley is a fair analogy.  IF AB does fail miserably )hope not), than Roach did not do his due diligence and at least interview other candidates (regardless of a ringing endorsement from Moorhead). Did he not compare his short list of potential coaches with AB?  Not sure, only Roach knows that answer.  But if he did not shame on him.

 
With that being said, I truly hope AB can figure this out and get things moving. Regardless of what happens this team still has a chance to win the PL title.  The PL is looking weaker than expected so although I still believe Holy Cross and Colgate are the top teams Fordham could beat them if they play defense, have decent special teams and play a complete game.  My worry is that we have not shown an ability to do so. Lets get going and beat Yale!




Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: PA Ram on September 26, 2017, 02:27:17 pm
Good post, Chaka


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on September 27, 2017, 09:10:16 am


Let's actually begin that national search since he is year to year.

What do you mean by this comment? Expand on that please.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Chaka001 on September 27, 2017, 09:20:00 am
Good post, Chaka

Thanks PA Ram


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on September 27, 2017, 09:43:53 am
What do you mean by this comment? Expand on that please.

He must mean let's trash the season and disembowel the program.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Rich93 on September 27, 2017, 10:14:43 am
He must mean let's trash the season and disembowel the program.

No. That's just your cute little phrase for anyone who doesn't agree with your doomsday scenario. In fact, we are rational people who are willing to let the season play out before blowing everything up, unlike your little lynch mob here who seem to think that you can bring in new people in the middle of the season and turn things around on a dime. If this program is in fact the dumpster fire that you claim it is, who is going to want to come here right now in the midst of this breakdown, as you have described it. Your little band claims that Breiner has lost the team, that morale is low. What effect do you think these threads are having on team morale?

Makes it difficult to have any enjoyment during the season doent't it?  Tough season we are not happy to begin with, giving honest criticism, but there are still games to play yet people just pile on every day making it even worse.  I agree it sucks and is counterproductive. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on September 27, 2017, 11:41:46 am
Yes, the season has started out as a dumpster fire. Yes, it can be salvaged.

However, there is no point in this feckless administration to sit on their hands waiting for AB to fail further and then try to do another "national search". Start exploring options now.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on September 27, 2017, 11:46:01 am
Yes, the season has started out as a dumpster fire. Yes, it can be salvaged.

However, there is no point in this feckless administration to sit on their hands waiting for AB to fail further and then try to do another "national search". Start exploring options now.

To launch a national search at this point in the season would completely undermine the coach, team morale, and recruiting.  The option that Fordham needs to explore now is to let the season play out and encourage everyone to root for the team.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on September 27, 2017, 11:52:30 am
I dont see any need to undermine this coach. They handed him the job as the youngest D1 coach in the country.  If it really tanks, then the guy who should be looking out for his job is Dave Roach.  All Breiner did was accept a promotion, which anyone would do under those circumstances.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on September 27, 2017, 12:22:59 pm
Yes, the season has started out as a dumpster fire. Yes, it can be salvaged.

However, there is no point in this feckless administration to sit on their hands waiting for AB to fail further and then try to do another "national search". Start exploring options now.



Genius. Start the coaching search while the current HS is still employed. You may be on to something...  >:D


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on September 27, 2017, 12:31:18 pm
Yes, the season has started out as a dumpster fire. Yes, it can be salvaged.

However, there is no point in this feckless administration to sit on their hands waiting for AB to fail further and then try to do another "national search". Start exploring options now.



Again, you obviously have no problem with destroying the season and the program...

I'm curious. How do you do a search if every head coach and assistant is under contract and in the middle of the season.  If you were going to go that route, you have to fire the coach now.  There s nothng to do.  If I'm an AD and I found out you poached my staff I'd be on the phone to your president, the NCAA and out lawyers.  


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on September 27, 2017, 12:40:36 pm
Yes, the season has started out as a dumpster fire. Yes, it can be salvaged.

However, there is no point in this feckless administration to sit on their hands waiting for AB to fail further and then try to do another "national search". Start exploring options now.

When you say "start exploring options now", do you mean start making a list and doing their homework or actually contacting candidates? The former is something that should be done all the time.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 27, 2017, 12:53:33 pm
Makes it difficult to have any enjoyment during the season doent't it?  Tough season we are not happy to begin with, giving honest criticism, but there are still games to play yet people just pile on every day making it even worse.  I agree it sucks and is counterproductive.

You've made your point, over and over again. But if you honestly believe that Ram-Louse and HKRam are offering honest criticism, then there's nothing to be gained by discussing football with you. Go back to your Rebounders Club and try to raise money for a backup backboard.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Rich93 on September 27, 2017, 01:39:10 pm
You've made your point, over and over again. But if you honestly believe that Ram-Louse and HKRam are offering honest criticism, then there's nothing to be gained by discussing football with you. Go back to your Rebounders Club and try to raise money for a backup backboard.

Actually you are making valid criticisms of the team and taking a rational approach about games being left. They are just piling on every day incessantly with the same posts over and over ruining what is an already tough season. I am complimenting you on your approach it shows perspective and loyalty to the program.  Hopefully more people take that approach and you get the offices needed. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on September 27, 2017, 02:00:51 pm
Actually you are making valid criticisms of the team and taking a rational approach about games being left. They are just piling on every day incessantly with the same posts over and over ruining what is an already tough season. I am complimenting you on your approach it shows perspective and loyalty to the program.  Hopefully more people take that approach and you get the offices needed. 

What are you talking about, Rich? FuCoP is the crazy one. I'm with HKRam. Let's get this job posted. We can slap the Interim HC title on AB for now. Can we hire a firm to handle the search?  :o


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: charlietags on September 27, 2017, 02:30:53 pm
1. You cannot fire anyone.

2. You must let the season play out.

3. Hopefully we will see improvement. If not, then we look.

4. Hopefully we do a search similar to what was done for Men's Basketball.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 27, 2017, 02:32:38 pm
What are you talking about, Rich? FuCoP is the crazy one. I'm with HKRam. Let's get this job posted. We can slap the Interim HC title on AB for now. Can we hire a firm to handle the search?  :o

I'm the crazy one? Because I want to wait until the end of the season to decide on the coach's future? You and HKRam and Ram-Louse and now fred and others want to blow up the program after 4 games and post the head coach's job now. Great. That will do wonders for team cohesion and morale and will completely undermine the coach's authority. Your little band will have helped us to a possible 1-10 season. Congratulations. Your predictions of a dumpster fire and lost season will have come true.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram 83 on September 27, 2017, 02:34:56 pm
I'm the crazy one? Because I want to wait until the end of the season to decide on the coach's future? You and HKRam and Ram-Louse and now Fred and others want to blow up the program after 4 games and post the head coach's job now. Great. That will do wonders for team cohesion and morale and will undermine the coach's authority. Your little band will have helped us to a possible 1-10 season. Congratulations. Your predictions of a dumpster fire will have come true.

I'm pretty sure '07 was joking.  He has been defending Breiner all along, but even then, he didn't get Rich's joke.  Many of the same posters calling for patience with the football program are the same ones calling for the coach's head before the basketball season starts.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 27, 2017, 02:40:22 pm
I'm pretty sure '07 was joking.  He has been defending Breiner all along,

Looking back over these threads, you're probably right. I apologize, '07. Tempers (mine included) have been running hot on this subject.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on September 27, 2017, 02:45:47 pm
Looking back over these threads, you're probably right. I apologize, '07. Tempers (mine included) have been running hot on this subject.

No Worries  ;)


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on September 27, 2017, 03:29:13 pm
I meant start making a list of real candidates. FucOp, how on earth am I ruining the the season for you? If you were honest with yourself, you'd come to the realisation that AB and his hubris did this.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 27, 2017, 04:30:03 pm
I meant start making a list of real candidates. FucOp, how on earth am I ruining the the season for you? If you were honest with yourself, you'd come to the realisation that AB and his hubris did this.

You're not ruining the season for me; you don't have that power. But your posts might well be having a negative effect on the players who read these boards. And, by the way, you have advocated in these threads for much more than just a simple list. And you have been called out by others, not just me.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on September 27, 2017, 07:24:02 pm
How am I ruining anything for the players? I've never, ever criticised any of the players - not one. This mess is not their fault in the least. They are a talented bunch of lads, and from what I've seen and heard - a very nice lot indeed. These young gentlemen are also bright enough to figure out that their high school coaches were probably more on top of the entire game than AB. That said, I truly hope that AB proves me wrong and turns this ship around.

However, please don't pin this on nonsense on me because our football team knows how to read and use the internet. Your statements, at times, are completely off the wall and devoid of reality.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 27, 2017, 07:30:20 pm
You don't think that your constant trashing of their coaches might have a negative effect on the players' morale? You're a damned fool. And you appear to show up on these boards only when things are going badly. Some fan you are.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on September 27, 2017, 07:42:48 pm
Maybe AB should set aside an HKRam safe space for the lads. i will ask AB to set it up at your house where you can serve the team milk and cookies...

Stop being such a marshmallow FUCOp.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 27, 2017, 07:58:02 pm
Stop being such an a*****e jerk, HK. (I decided to edit myself, ace)


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 27, 2017, 11:35:30 pm
FuCuP69 please stop calling me names


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Vinseiro2 on September 28, 2017, 12:19:22 pm
Of course the coach is on the hot seat given this slide, but in reality, the real heat should be focused on Roach right now, not on this young coach.

On the heels of several playoff appearances and top 25 rankings, the AD decided not to do any search whatsoever and simply hand over the reigns to a 31 y/o guy with extremely light credentials. This one is on the AD. 

There was very little if any discussion here at the time of the hire. Anyone have more info on how it went down? Was this a power play, like Breiner would leave and go with Moorehead?  I cant imagine that this was approved so quickly up the line.

This is the right answer.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on September 28, 2017, 03:22:24 pm
Roach certainly deserves some of the blame here.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on September 28, 2017, 04:20:08 pm
FuCuP69 please stop calling me names

Okay. Fair enough. If I ever have to refer to you again, I'll use these two emojis in place of your handle:   :P  :P

Problem solved.  :D


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Scott W 86 on September 28, 2017, 04:54:54 pm
I've been around football a long time.  Mostly good programs; one or two stinkers. There isn't a lot I haven't seen from high school to D-III to the high levels of what is now FBS.  

This team is taking a step back from the Moorhead years.  That was to be expected. Could not have been avoided, IMO. Go look up what happened to the Packers the years after Lombardi retired or Alabama after The Bear.  It's always tough to be the guy who follows the guy.  Moorhead was truly The Guy.  He's also being hit with Fordham no longer being the only scholarship program in the PL, his star player being hurt and the fact that even under JM, there was a lack of focus on the defensive side of the ball.  And oh ya, I can't imagine how they thought hiring a guy with a couple of years as an assistant was a good idea.

I honestly don't see what campaigning to get AB bounced is going to do for the program.  We haven't played a PL game yet.  To say he lost the program is absurd.  You have no idea.  They scored 40 points last week.  When guys quit playing you'll know.  They won't be scoring 40.  And if you are successful in getting AB fired, how can you have any confidence the people who hired him will get it right this time?  This is Fordham. We don't know for sure who really runs the athletic program.  Does anyone know if AB has a contract for next year?

This is all going to play out in the next 2 months.  If he goes or stays will not be affected by this board.  The administration is immune to pressure.  There are no big donors to placate.  The only thing this will do is distract the team which I'm sure right now feels like crap and the rumors must be flying.  Not a good way to start a new practice week.


Perfect analysis ...


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 29, 2017, 01:38:19 am
Okay. Fair enough. If I ever have to refer to you again, I'll use these two emojis in place of your handle:   :P  :P

Problem solved.  :D

Thanks FuCUp69


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: fordham81 on September 30, 2017, 06:51:28 pm
Ramsvtrail 21-0 in 2nd quarter.   Goes from hot seat into the fire.  Yale with almost 200 yards of offense.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: SIram on September 30, 2017, 07:03:19 pm
This is a historically bad Fordham defense


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 30, 2017, 11:10:16 pm
We actually may not win another game.  With Lafayette beating the best team in the League today, who knows what to think.  We can't stop anyone. 

Sad that the coaching thread got shut down again. 

This "Hot Seat" thread just became officially 100% relevant today.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on September 30, 2017, 11:12:30 pm
We are actually may not win another game.  With Lafayette beating the best team in the League today, I actually not sure what to think.  We can't stop anyone. 

Sad that the coaching thread got shut down again. 

This "Hot Seat" thread just became officially 100% relevant today.

I agree. It’s sad another coaching thread got started forcing it to get shut down.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on September 30, 2017, 11:16:05 pm
I agree. Itís sad another coaching thread got started forcing it to get shut down.

This is a fan board Ace. We aren't following and commenting on Father McShane's official Twitter account.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 01, 2017, 08:09:41 am
We have to tiptoe around the tulips for Ace. God forbid anyone is constructive about this awful 31 year old.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 01, 2017, 08:14:33 am
Right now it is the proverbial dumpster fire. Although in modern vernacular "dumpster fire"  = Fordham.  I honestly thought that we were beyond this at Fordham. Dave Roach is the one who should be squarely on the hot seat here. The coach, quite frankly, is a foregone conclusion at this juncture.

How do you take a top 25 program with loads of talent, a massive budget and the best Rb in country and hand over the keys to a 31 y/o guy with resume of being Joe Mooreheads bag carrier? 

I think its 50-50 that you fire Roach over this.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 01, 2017, 11:40:02 am
We have to tiptoe around the tulips for Ace. God forbid anyone is constructive about this awful 31 year old.

Keep it in this thread. We don't need various threads on the same topic.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 01, 2017, 12:04:52 pm
90% of our voters in this thread think that Coach Breiner should be fired.  The debate centers around when.....

Will the folks in the Ivory Tower agree with us?  I doubt it.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Kaup on October 01, 2017, 12:30:41 pm
90% of our voters in this thread think that Coach Breiner should be fired.  The debate centers around when.....

Will the folks in the Ivory Tower agree with us?  I doubt it.
61 mostly anonymous voters with varying degrees of sports IQ.  This is definitely a sample I want the administration to rely on when making decisions about Fordham's athletic future.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 01, 2017, 01:00:30 pm
Let's keep doing what we're doing. It's working out so well.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 01, 2017, 01:11:01 pm
61 mostly anonymous voters with varying degrees of sports IQ.  This is definitely a sample I want the administration to rely on when making decisions about Fordham's athletic future.

So you think that the program is running smoothly and hasn't blown a gasket rounding turn 4 of this crash-up Derby race that we are witnessing?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 01, 2017, 01:15:27 pm
No one has even mentioned the fact that we are 1-4 and probably won't see the services of Chase for the next month minimum and we are playing on the road the next 3 weeks.  We, historically, have not been a great road team.  What will our crowd look like on Oct. 28th against Lehigh if we are hosting them and our record is 1-7?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Kaup on October 01, 2017, 01:21:12 pm
So you think that the program is running smoothly and hasn't blown a gasket rounding turn 4 of this crash-up Derby race that we are witnessing?
I think most of the posters stirring up drama have little to no knowledge of how to run a football program or athletic department, nor do they know what takes place inside our athletic department or locker rooms. And as I look at the calendar, I'm reminded that our first game of the season was exactly four weeks ago.  As unhappy as I am with the results, it's way too soon for such lynch mobs and witch hunts.  We're not LSU.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 01, 2017, 01:21:29 pm
So you think that the program is running smoothly and hasn't blown a gasket rounding turn 4 of this crash-up Derby race that we are witnessing?

He didn't say that. You're very good at putting words in other people's mouths, but that"s understandable since your own words have very little value. All you can do is attack.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 01, 2017, 01:50:58 pm
He didn't say that. You're very good at putting words in other people's mouths, but that"s understandable since your own words have very little value. All you can do is attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro


Title: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: HKRam on October 07, 2017, 08:01:51 pm
180 year old university in New York City with a long and storied football tradition is looking for new leadership for its now former flagship sport. The program has a budget of over $5 mn per annum and growing.

Qualifications:

1) Must know the difference between an X and O;

2) Must have the ability to run an offence;

3) Must understand a defensive schematic;

4) Must be able to recruit student athletes that professional athletic abilities;

5) Must be reasonably articulate so as not to embarrass the university.

The administration does not care so you can do nothing for years at time before anything actually gets noticed, and the alums bitch and moan but the are as feckless as the administration and refuse to believe that any coach's ass is on the line.

Oh, when they fire you. They will give you a multi year payout to keep quiet. Guys like "the bad coach" and Tom Pecora are still on the university payroll.






Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: DamnRam on October 08, 2017, 10:12:23 am
Only the AD is qualified to post a job opening, and there at least 3 other threads on this same subject, all started by the same group of trolls.  This thread therefore seems to serve no purpose and takes up space.  I nominate it be closed, perhaps even removed simply for being highly redundant.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 08, 2017, 12:04:04 pm
Only the AD is qualified to post a job opening, and there at least 3 other threads on this same subject, all started by the same group of trolls. 

DamnRam, I will take that comment as a complement.  Thank you.  Yes, the program is a disaster and yes I was the first person to raise the "hot seat" thread.  If you aren't man enough to get out of your comfort zone and agree about the "hot seat" thread then go find a seat on the Rose Hill Clown Car Express to the next two away games....


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 08, 2017, 12:44:48 pm
Well what a surprise. Here we have yet another in the series of repetitive threads from the Axis of Evil. This tight little band of yahoos apparently believes that the only solution to our football program's current woes is to change coaches. Now. I say this because it is the only solution that they have ever offered. That being said I would like to ask, suppose you clowns get your wish, and Coach Breiner is terminated or resigns before the end of the season. What then? Who do you think will come to Rose Hill on a white horse to set the program back on track? Do you think that this savior will work for the same salary that the administration has budgeted for this year? Or do you believe that the administration will come up with the necessary increase in funds to pay this new coach? If you believe that, I'd like to offer you a chance to purchase shares in the brand spanking new Mario M. Cuomo Bridge now nearing completion. Almost certainly, were a change to happen, one of the assistant coaches that you three bozos hold in contempt would be named to finish the season. How will that help turn the program around?

The alternative to this ridiculous scenario, as many of us in your so called rose-colored glasses brigade have suggested, is to wait until the season's end and conduct a thorough evaluation of the program and make any needed changes at that time. If that evaluation calls for a change in the head coach position, then we ought to proceed as we did with the Neubauer hiring, and contract with a search firm.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 08, 2017, 12:50:13 pm
If that evaluation calls for a change in the head coach position, then we ought to proceed as we did with the Neubauer hiring, and contract with a search firm.

you really are a ding-dong.....and all over the map.  Ssssshhhhh...... everyone be quiet.  FukOp69 thinks that we wait and evaluate once the season ends.  Of course when the thread was started he completely disagreed.  Sheep being lead to slaughter.....Clueless assessment by FuCop69 but that is par for the course with him.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 08, 2017, 12:52:59 pm
The thread was started at 8:00 P.M. yesterday, genius. You really are pathetic.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 08, 2017, 01:08:05 pm
The thread was started at 8:00 P.M. yesterday, genius. You really are pathetic.

enjoy the clown car bus to the next two away games.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: An Old Coach on October 08, 2017, 04:51:27 pm
you really are a ding-dong.....and all over the map.  Ssssshhhhh...... everyone be quiet.  FukOp69 thinks that we wait and evaluate once the season ends.  Of course when the thread was started he completely disagreed.  Sheep being lead to slaughter.....Clueless assessment by FuCop69 but that is par for the course with him.

R/S.

There are times I think you bring more to the table than you get credit for.   We're pretty much on the same page that Fordham athletics is Rainbows and puppy dogs and trying to be what we're not.  I get it.  But there is a difference between scratching your head and saying "what's the latest Fordham brain fart" and aligning with clowns who are undermining the players.  What's up with that?


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: HKRam on October 08, 2017, 05:15:35 pm
No one is undermining the players. These lads have at least double the SAT score of their crappy coach. They can realise that he is a stooge all on their own.

I totally get your point, say nothing at all because the administration is feckless and say nothing because the players will sit in a corner sucking their thumbs when we call for this sheit coach's head. You cannot be this obtuse AOC.

Let's just play with one another on this board and bitch about what each other says and then name call. Way to invoke change you 200 year old.

Ace, let's change the name of the Board to fordhamwussies.com - at least we'll all understand that all we should do is pat the football program, the gridiron club, and board members on the back. Let's also give AB a trophy for participating.....

Are you morons kidding with the absolute BS that you toss around?

Kiss my a$$ with the Axis of Evil BS. The program sucks and Raggedy Andy did this to all of us.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: An Old Coach on October 08, 2017, 06:18:23 pm
You never played a down in your life so you don't understand.  You have no clue what it takes to play on this level.  This absolutely undermines the players.

You're going to most likely win this. I don't disagree that it won't be appropriate.  Why not shut up and let it play out?  No kid who is busting his ass for the team needs to hear it when they are playing to win.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: HKRam on October 08, 2017, 09:20:09 pm
These lads aren't the sweet little Lladros that you collect. Does your wife collect the little boys in football uniforms for you?

But if they are spending any time reading this silly board, they are probably wondering why they haven't received a trophy for just showing up like the little safe spacers you make them out to be. Nonetheless, their a$$es should be focused on learning Raggedy Andy's play book and not worrying about alums that offer up nothing but excuses for their crap coach.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 08, 2017, 10:11:03 pm
R/S.

There are times I think you bring more to the table than you get credit for.   We're pretty much on the same page that Fordham athletics is Rainbows and puppy dogs and trying to be what we're not.  I get it.  But there is a difference between scratching your head and saying "what's the latest Fordham brain fart" and aligning with clowns who are undermining the players.  What's up with that?

I started a "Hot seat" thread....how is that aligning with anyone?  And my thread should not have been started?  Coach we are 1-5 and quite frankly are lucky not to be 0-6. 


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: DamnRam on October 09, 2017, 07:45:51 am
DamnRam, I will take that comment as a complement.  Thank you.  Yes, the program is a disaster and yes I was the first person to raise the "hot seat" thread.  If you aren't man enough to get out of your comfort zone and agree about the "hot seat" thread then go find a seat on the Rose Hill Clown Car Express to the next two away games....

If you go back and re-read the post, you'll see I'm pointing out that you are creating redundant threads that serve absolutely no purpose. 

That you would choose to take my response as a complement, to thank me for that, and think that I'm taking a position on your points shows you have extremely poor reading comprehension and/or looking for any opportunity to advocate for failure.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: Battering Ram on October 09, 2017, 07:59:10 am
to summarize for anyone who joined the conversation late: we have redundant posts about firing the coach and redundant posts about the redundant posts to fire the coach.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 09, 2017, 08:03:11 am
If you go back and re-read the post, you'll see I'm pointing out that you are creating redundant threads that serve absolutely no purpose. 

That you would choose to take my response as a complement, to thank me for that, and think that I'm taking a position on your points shows you have extremely poor reading comprehension and/or looking for any opportunity to advocate for failure.

I started the "Hot Seat" thread.....how am I redundant.  There was nothing before it.  So therefore we shouldn't talk about our "issues"?


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 09, 2017, 08:05:51 am
The thread was started at 8:00 P.M. yesterday, genius. You really are pathetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: 85 on October 09, 2017, 08:07:38 am
Its not about the HC job or the AD not doing his job. Two posters are acting like 5 year olds and posting utter juvenile gibberish that has no value whatsoever.

I think you see a quick hook, the day after the season is over. Right now, it is perfectly fair game to criticize the coaching and the players. That is sports and goes with the turf. The unsubstantiated personal attacks on the coach don't hold water. I disagree about the harping on how this board hurts recruiting, you go 1-10, that hurts recruiting a lot more. Every school has a board, and many have multiple boards with far harsher criticism. 

Ram Spouse why do you keep posting that stupid clip? Nobody thinks everything is well, its a dumpster fire and everyone sees and comments on it.  Its unusual in football to fire a coach mid season. 5 games left, so probably 5 weeks left for AB, I think it will be done quickly.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 09, 2017, 08:16:06 am
Its not about the HC job or the AD not doing his job. Two posters are acting like 5 year olds and posting utter juvenile gibberish that has no value whatsoever.

I think you see a quick hook, the day after the season is over. Right now, it is perfectly fair game to criticize the coaching and the players. That is sports and goes with the turf. The unsubstantiated personal attacks on the coach don't hold water. I disagree about the harping on how this board hurts recruiting, you go 1-10, that hurts recruiting a lot more. Every school has a board, and many have multiple boards with far harsher criticism. 

Are there redundant threads and postings on here? Yes, of course, but locking threads and minimizing this disaster, etc serves no purpose either.  I am tired of hearing that because the coach is criticized that I am a non fan.  Useless, head in sand argument.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 09, 2017, 08:18:02 am
anyone want to change their votes?


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: 85 on October 09, 2017, 08:19:21 am
I criticize him too. He is awful. But to me, the bigger, far bigger issue is that the hire was mailed in. No search, no process, hired the youngest D1 coach at the time with zero vetting or interviewing of other candidates. You hire a 31 y/o guy from freaking Lock Haven to take over our program?  How can anyone not see that as being a bigger problem than the coach. All the coach did was accept a promotion.  Of course he wasn't qualified or ready for this job, nobody up the line could see that?


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 09, 2017, 08:23:13 am
I criticize him too. He is awful. But to me, the bigger, far bigger issue is that the hire was mailed in. No search, no process, hired the youngest D1 coach at the time with zero vetting or interviewing of other candidates. You hire a 31 y/o guy from freaking Lock Haven to take over our program?  How can anyone not see that as being a bigger problem than the coach. All the coach did was accept a promotion.

I agree.  The hire isn't the coach's fault, but the comments about "hurting recruiting" and "don't say bad things" is ludicrous.  He is in over his head.  It started at the end of last year and has gone full steam ahead now.  In typical Fordham fashion I predict that he gets one more year.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: HKRam on October 09, 2017, 08:24:19 am
85 - Everyone on this board is in agreement that Raggedy Andy is a disaster and that he must be shown the exit.

You just don't like that we are vocal about it. I get it.

Sitting on your a$$ in your typical way certainly isn't going make this situation better.







Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: 85 on October 09, 2017, 08:25:26 am
I agree.  The hire isn't the coach's fault, but the comments about "hurting recruiting" and "don't say bad things" is ludicrous.  He is in over his head.  It started at the end of last year and has gone full steam ahead now.  In typical Fordham fashion I predict that he gets one more year.

No way. Foley II.  He is gone the day after the season ends.

I agree with you on hurting recruiting. Every school has a board or multiple boards and seem to have far vitriol than here. Also, since I fully believe he and his awful staff will be gone in 5 weeks, I dont see how it hurts recruiting at all.  


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: 85 on October 09, 2017, 08:28:12 am
85 - Everyone on this board is in agreement that Raggedy Andy is a disaster and that he must be shown the exit.

You just don't like that we are vocal about it. I get it.

Sitting on your a$$ in your typical way certainly isn't going make this situation better.



Sitting on my ass?  Tell me exactly what you think could be done right now? You fire this guy now? Who takes over, one of these equally unqualified assistants?

He will be gone in 5 weeks. There is nobody to take over as an interim. It doesnt matter if we go 1-10. It isnt hurting recruiting because it will be a new staff and new recruits and whomever they were recruiting from wherever they come from to coach here. Essentially, its just sit back and watch the fire. 

I dont see any good solutions or quick fixes right now, its like an incubation period for 5 weeks. Will be here before you know it.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 09, 2017, 08:30:23 am
Sitting on my ass?  Tell me exactly what you think could be done right now? You fire this guy now? Who takes over, one of these equally unqualified assistants?

He will be gone in 5 weeks. There is nobody to take over as an interim. It doesnt matter if we go 1-10. It isnt hurting recruiting because it will be a new staff and new recruits and whomever they were recruiting from wherever they come from to coach here. Essentially, its just sit back and watch the fire. 

I dont see any good solutions or quick fixes right now, its like an incubation period for 5 weeks. Will be here before you know it.

We will go 2-9 after beating Georgetown in 2 weeks.  AB's 2 year record will be 10-12.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: 85 on October 09, 2017, 08:52:57 am
Foley was 2-9   after he was 5-6 his first year. History will repeat itself.

Again, to beat the dead horse, the process is the problem. I like Dave Roach, he is an old school guy, he has a masters he has 40 years of experience. He did a great job firing Pecora and conducting a real search for a coach. All of his teams now win.

So, the circumstantial evidence continues to mount that this hire was taken out of hands. It is illogical that a guy with his pedigree would simply hand over the keys to the kingdom to a 31 y/o glorified position coach at our level. The football mouths who used ot post here all the time have disappeared.  Was this a gridiron club hire that was done by pushing Roach aside?  Its hard to fathom. If so Roach should have made some noise. Roach has a guranteed contract into retirement now, so if he made noise he didn t risk losing his job. Im disappointed in Roach that either a) he hired this coach or b)  he allowed the hire to be taken out of his hands with no pushback.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 09, 2017, 08:57:48 am
Foley was 2-9   after he was 5-6 his first year. History will repeat itself.

Again, to beat the dead horse, the process is the problem. I like Dave Roach, he is an old school guy, he has a masters he has 40 years of experience. He did a great job firing Pecora and conducting a real search for a coach. All of his teams now win.

So, the circumstantial evidence continues to mount that this hire was taken out of hands. It is illogical that a guy with his pedigree would simply hand over the keys to the kingdom to a 31 y/o glorified position coach at our level. The football mouths who used ot post here all the time have disappeared.  Was this a gridiron club hire that was done by pushing Roach aside?  Its hard to fathom. If so Roach should have made some noise. Roach has a guranteed contract into retirement now, so if he made noise he didn t risk losing his job. Im disappointed in Roach that either a) he hired this coach or b)  he allowed the hire to be taken out of his hands with no pushback.

True, very true on all accounts.  There are still a few "Yes men" Gridiron Club members or appeasers that are still lingering, and they occasionally pop up and comment.  Thankfully some of that swamp has been drained a bit.  I just want there to be accountability.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: 85 on October 09, 2017, 09:16:40 am
Unfortunately, the season is in the terlet.

The issue will be making sure that a real process is done when AB gets canned. And I fully believe he will be canned. He never deserved the job in the first place. If it truly was a hire that pushed Roach aside, then Roach should be able to make an easy sell on a firing and taking over the process. And we should have his back if this is how the hire went down wiht AB.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: tuckertomm on October 09, 2017, 09:25:10 am
to summarize for anyone who joined the conversation late: we have redundant posts about firing the coach and redundant posts about the redundant posts to fire the coach.
TEDIOUS ;)


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 09, 2017, 09:27:59 am
TEDIOUS ;)

And we are DEMANDING that there are no NEGATIVE postings or Threads about the current state of Fordham football.....as Kevin Bacon says....."ALL IS WELL"


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: HKRam on October 09, 2017, 09:35:07 am
The three evil monkeys come to mind with this board.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: 85 on October 09, 2017, 09:37:46 am
So let me get this straight. We have a game every week. And the team gets worse every week. Yet some posters want us to only comment one time about the coaching situation and ignore the differences and variations that are displayed on the field each week?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 09, 2017, 09:42:05 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro

Stop posting this darn video.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: ace93 on October 09, 2017, 09:42:55 am
And we are DEMANDING that there are no NEGATIVE postings or Threads about the current state of Fordham football.....as Kevin Bacon says....."ALL IS WELL"

We don't need numerous threads though. I get PM's from posters saying there are too many threads on the status of our coach and then you say, in another post, that they are being shut down. I shut down or merge redundant threads on various topics quite often, not just the ones you are noticing.


So let me get this straight. We have a game every week. And the team gets worse every week. Yet some posters want us to only comment one time about the coaching situation and ignore the differences and variations that are displayed on the field each week?

Who said that?


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: 85 on October 09, 2017, 09:49:16 am
So only one post about firing the coach per poster?  Nothing can be re-stated after the next game disaster?  There are variations, some advocate firing him now, some after season some re-evaluate after each game.

See the posts above about redundancy. What is redundant is that this team and its coaching suck every week.

What I find laughable is that many people here in these threads posted during the good times of football.  Many of the purported program backers and blowhards have disappeared completely. Must have been the ones who pushed for this hire.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: ace93 on October 09, 2017, 10:14:42 am
So only one post about firing the coach per poster?  Nothing can be re-stated after the next game disaster?  There are variations, some advocate firing him now, some after season some re-evaluate after each game.

See the posts above about redundancy. What is redundant is that this team and its coaching suck every week.

What I find laughable is that many people here in these threads posted during the good times of football.  Many of the purported program backers and blowhards have disappeared completely. Must have been the ones who pushed for this hire.

I asked you who said that.

What I am telling Ram-Spouse, is that we don't need multiple *threads*.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 09, 2017, 10:52:06 am
I asked you who said that.

What I am telling Ram-Spouse, is that we don't need multiple *threads*.

ACE......You are preaching to my Choir.  I started the "Hot Seat" thread.

You shut down the "who should be our next Head coach" thread and the "hiring a new coach" thread.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: An Old Coach on October 09, 2017, 10:54:26 am
We will go 2-9 after beating Georgetown in 2 weeks.  AB's 2 year record will be 10-12.

And that will probably get him dumped soon after the season. It's not happening in season.  What is your point?  Pretty much everyone is in agreement with exception of a few usual football posters who appear to have gone into deep cover.  I haven't seen a post that is even of the famous, "stay tuned"  variety.   Everyone seems to be in agreement. You're arguing with yourself.  


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: ace93 on October 09, 2017, 10:55:37 am
ACE......You are preaching to my Choir.  I started the "Hot Seat" thread.

You shut down the "who should be our next Head coach" thread and the "hiring a new coach" thread.

Exactly. The commentary in those new threads fit perfectly into your thread. I do not see the need for multiple threads on the same topic. It would be like starting multiple game threads b/c the game situation is getting more dire.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 09, 2017, 10:56:23 am
And that will probably get him dumped soon after the season. It's not happening in season.  What is your point?  Pretty much everyone is in agreement with exception of a few usual football posters who appear to have gone into deep cover.  I haven't seen a post that is even of the famous, "stay tuned"  variety.   Everyone seems to be in agreement. You're arguing with yourself.  

"stay tuned" went running for the hills....


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: An Old Coach on October 09, 2017, 11:08:30 am
"stay tuned" went running for the hills....

Lock down mode... ;)


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: HKRam on October 09, 2017, 11:29:45 am
Ace, Let's be honest here. You shut down the threads not because you didn't thought they were appropriate at the time - not because they were as redundant as FuCop's posts from the nursing home. You tried to censor us with "not here, not now". You even made an idiotic comment about my mother.

Now that you see that this season is an absolute dumpster fire, you've finally come around. But please get off of your high horse. You like to roll around in the mud with the rest of the idiots.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 2ram on October 09, 2017, 11:57:48 am
on a positive note, we lost by 5 to Bryant and 4 to Lafayette...

just 9 pts. from being .500...

need to find a way to win the close ones.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 09, 2017, 12:10:38 pm
on a positive note, we lost by 5 to Bryant and 4 to Lafayette...

just 9 pts. from being .500...

need to find a way to win the close ones.

Yes, we lost 2 games to 2 teams that have lower rankings than we have in the Sagarin Ranking system.  That means they are really bad.  Imagine their rank if we would have beaten them.  They would have been even lower ranked.


Title: Re: JOB POSTING: FOOTBALL COACH NEEDED
Post by: ace93 on October 09, 2017, 12:23:46 pm
Ace, Let's be honest here. You shut down the threads not because you didn't thought they were appropriate at the time - not because they were as redundant as FuCop's posts from the nursing home. You tried to censor us with "not here, not now". You even made an idiotic comment about my mother.

Now that you see that this season is an absolute dumpster fire, you've finally come around. But please get off of your high horse. You like to roll around in the mud with the rest of the idiots.

Yep, my late night comment to you was inappropriate. Seemed funny at the time, but not as much the next morning.

I most definitely closed those threads back then b/c they were redundant. The hot seat thread was already there, anything more was just piling on and unnecessary. I still feel the same way as before. This is not the time/place for a new coaching thread. It should all go into the Hot Seat thread. Thanks for making me realize that everything here should go there too. I will merge them.


Title: I'm calling us FORHAM, cause we have no "D"
Post by: xtey92a on October 09, 2017, 12:57:04 pm
empty


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 09, 2017, 01:22:03 pm
As your drunken late night post initially suggested, you're an impetuous child.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 09, 2017, 01:25:11 pm
As your drunken late night post initially suggested, you're an impetuous child.

Maybe you and Ace should have a "pickanick" and work this out.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 09, 2017, 01:29:46 pm
Maybe you and Ace should have a "pickanick" and work this out.

That is funny!!


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: fred on October 09, 2017, 02:12:48 pm
this says it all.....

http://www.compughterratings.com/FCS/rankings


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 09, 2017, 02:36:40 pm
this says it all.....

http://www.compughterratings.com/FCS/rankings

Davidson is ranked higher than us and Davidson is the lowest rated team in the entire Sagarin Football rating.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on October 09, 2017, 03:01:33 pm
this says it all.....

http://www.compughterratings.com/FCS/rankings

Can you please clarify what the "all" is that you are reading into this?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 09, 2017, 03:05:14 pm
As your drunken late night post initially suggested, you're an impetuous child.

Accurate, but for the child part.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 09, 2017, 03:43:35 pm
At least we're in the top 100 of Division I football's second tier.

Raggedy Andy - Way to blow up a top 25 program. I'm sending out your CV to all of New Jersey's middle schools. I know, I know I've undermined your program - it's all my fault, even those dopey plays that I called at the end of the Lafayette game.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on October 09, 2017, 04:04:25 pm
At least we're in the top 100 of Division I football's second tier.

Raggedy Andy - Way to blow up a top 25 program. I'm sending out your CV to all of New Jersey's middle schools. I know, I know I've undermined your program - it's all my fault, even those dopey plays that I called at the end of the Lafayette game.

The way you are going on and on with all of the personal slights at the coach... it makes me think that perhaps there's a "relationship" between you two and that you are now personally "jilted". 

Is there something you wish to share with the group?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: fred on October 09, 2017, 05:48:07 pm
Can you please clarify what the "all" is that you are reading into this?

i guess you can't read or understand what rankings mean


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: fred on October 09, 2017, 05:56:12 pm
Being ranked 98th in the country, BEHIND Lafayette, is disgusting --


We had an All American back; a fifth  year senior QB; five starting O lineman returning... most of our receivers....and a good part of our defense.

We have great size on offense.  The question begs why does our QB get sacked 10 times in a game.  Why can holes not be open for our runners?

Something other the the players has caused this....  the is a cancer spreading on this team that started somewhere.  The only logical conclusion one can draw is that the leadership at top is horrible.  No motivation.  No leadership. No teaching.  No empathy.

It's painful to watch and read about.  The program was on top of the world only now to be circling the drain.   The players cannot be blamed.  Changes are necessary to stop this bleeding into next year and the years to follow


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 09, 2017, 07:38:55 pm
Antonio? Banderas?   


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on October 09, 2017, 07:48:00 pm
The program was a house of cards since MoorheAd left. The recruiting hasn't been nearly as good as we think it is. Coaches have moved on.  The defense was bound to be exposed when we stopped putting up pinball numbers.  It's been.poor for a long time.   It was unrealistic to think Chase could continue his workload.  The league moving to scholarships has caught up to us.  Any coach coming in would have been challenged.  The AD didn't insist he bring in more experienced  coordinators.

This is all compounded with a coach who isn't ready.  I'm not convinced this wasn't coming no matter who the coach was.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Rich93 on October 09, 2017, 07:54:47 pm
Antonio? Banderas?   

Cromartie?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on October 09, 2017, 09:52:58 pm
i guess you can't read or understand what rankings mean

That is a recursively idiotic response.  I'm quite capable of understanding rankings and statistics and coming to my own conclusions.  I asked what you wanted me to read into this one ranking, specifically given how it apparently (in your opinion) tells me "all" I need to know.

Being ranked 98th in the country, BEHIND Lafayette, is disgusting --

We had an All American back; a fifth  year senior QB; five starting O lineman returning... most of our receivers....and a good part of our defense.

We have great size on offense.  The question begs why does our QB get sacked 10 times in a game.  Why can holes not be open for our runners?

Something other the the players has caused this....  the is a cancer spreading on this team that started somewhere.  The only logical conclusion one can draw is that the leadership at top is horrible.  No motivation.  No leadership. No teaching.  No empathy.

It's painful to watch and read about.  The program was on top of the world only now to be circling the drain.   The players cannot be blamed.  Changes are necessary to stop this bleeding into next year and the years to follow

Thank you.  This is a more substantial response that was actually worthy of my belief that you could do better if you simply tried a little harder.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ramer on October 10, 2017, 10:01:56 am
The downturn in the program is disappointing. I hope the AD steps in and makes the necessary changes after the season.

Interesting aspect to the ranking criteria, even at 98, is the FCS Prestige notation: Fordham (currently) @ Superior (5 stars). Not many FCS programs share that designation, including Lehigh and Colgate which were both designated: Good (three stars).  Villanova was also designated at 5 stars. 



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on October 10, 2017, 10:09:48 am
And that helps on Saturday, how?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 10, 2017, 11:05:29 am
The downturn in the program is disappointing. I hope the AD steps in and makes the necessary changes after the season.

Interesting aspect to the ranking criteria, even at 98, is the FCS Prestige notation: Fordham (currently) @ Superior (5 stars). Not many FCS programs share that designation, including Lehigh and Colgate which were both designated: Good (three stars).  Villanova was also designated at 5 stars. 



Past performance is not indicative of future results.  If this was based on analytical research opinions then there would be a downward trend on our "5 stars" and also we would have a "sell" rating as opposed to a "buy" or "hold" rating on this designation.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 10, 2017, 11:18:04 am
Ram Spouse, as a friend of mine used to say. This team is the perfect hedge, they lose money no matter what the operating environment is.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 10, 2017, 11:24:34 am
Ram Spouse, as a friend of mine used to say. This team is the perfect hedge, they lose money no matter what the operating environment is.

Yeah, but we have a fancy U-Haul Truck with graffiti on the side of it that we drive proudly to all of our away games.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ramer on October 10, 2017, 11:52:34 am
R-S, all true. However, my post was merely an observation of the 5 star ranking, the highest distinction. I did denote the ranking as "currently" as it will surely be reduced following this season. The disappointment with this season, all things considered, was even more pronounced given how far the program ascended over the years so as to warrant the 5 stars by that ranking entity, ergo, my hope that the AD will step in at the close of this season and make the necessary changes in order for the program to get back on track and again earn the 5 star designation.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on October 10, 2017, 12:09:58 pm
Yeah, but we have a fancy U-Haul Truck with graffiti on the side of it that we drive proudly to all of our away games.

Isn't there anything that might be more worthy and impactful for a program with much bigger programs (per you and your fellow trolls) to spend its scarce resources on than a cargo truck?

Your insistence on faulting Fordham for not having a dedicated cargo truck for the football program continues to diminish your credibility.  But by all means keep going...


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 10, 2017, 01:37:23 pm
Change is upon us Do Nothing DamnRam.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on October 10, 2017, 04:35:22 pm
Change is upon us Do Nothing DamnRam.

You can't even answer a simple question with anything more than a platitude.  You are a coward and a troll.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 10, 2017, 04:54:43 pm
Isn't there anything that might be more worthy and impactful for a program with much bigger programs (per you and your fellow trolls) to spend its scarce resources on than a cargo truck?

Your insistence on faulting Fordham for not having a dedicated cargo truck for the football program continues to diminish your credibility.  But by all means keep going...

90% of all FBS and FCS football teams have a dedicated, labeled and logo'd cargo truck for away games.  Just stating facts.  1000 little things will continue to plague our program.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 71 on October 10, 2017, 05:01:48 pm
90% of all FBS and FCS football teams have a dedicated, labeled and logo'd cargo truck for away games.  Just stating facts.  1000 little things will continue to plague our program.

where do you go to get facts like that?   ???


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 10, 2017, 05:07:37 pm
where do you go to get facts like that?   ???

Name me a school and I will show you.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 10, 2017, 05:30:48 pm
That's not an answer to 71's question (surprise, surprise). He wants to know where you got the 90% figure.

Like so many of the "facts" that you post, you probably pulled it out of your ass.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 10, 2017, 05:38:59 pm
That's not an answer to 71's question (surprise, surprise). He wants to know where you got the 90% figure.

Like so many of the "facts" that you post, you probably pulled it out of your ass.



Here is a better way to answer your idiotic response.....hey, name a school that doesn't use a logo'd cargo truck - Fordham.  Speaking of Ass...you are a complete Jackass.  I am so sorry that I hurt your feelings that we act like a Division III program and quite frankly are playing like one this year.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 10, 2017, 06:13:40 pm
You and the rest of the Axis of Evil don't have the ability to hurt my feelings. You do keep me entertained, however, with your pathetic juvenile responses. Don't you want to repost your idiotic "All is Well" video clip? That clip says all we need to know about your mental prowess.

And you still haven't answered 71's question. Because you can't back up your made up figures with facts.




Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 10, 2017, 06:29:46 pm
FuCop, the coach sucks and you're a cracker.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 10, 2017, 06:37:34 pm
Well there's an intelligent response. Just what I'd expect from a seven year old troll posting from his bedroom.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 10, 2017, 07:09:57 pm

And you still haven't answered 71's question. Because you can't back up your made up figures with facts.




FuCuP69.....I love your thought process to improving our football program...."why should we get one if no one else has one".  Good logic.

Anyway, back to your "much needed" info from me.  Everyone on our schedule this year and last has a Logo'd Cargo truck except for Elizabeth State City, Lafayette, Georgetown and Cent. Connecticut St.  Everyone else has one.  So we are in very "elite" company by not having one.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 10, 2017, 08:10:32 pm
FuCuP69.....I love your thought process to improving our football program...."why should we get one if no one else has one".  Good logic.

Anyway, back to your "much needed" info from me.  Everyone on our schedule this year and last has a Logo'd Cargo truck except for Elizabeth State City, Lafayette, Georgetown and Cent. Connecticut St.  Everyone else has one.  So we are in very "elite" company by not having one.




Fake News.

Provide Sources. You have 0 credibility. See all your Odom/DE nonsense from last year as my proof.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 10, 2017, 08:16:04 pm
FuCop, the coach sucks and you're a cracker.

HKRam - from myself (and anyone else that wants in on this) - GFY! Take a break from your lame BS and have a "pickanick" to relieve some stress.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 10, 2017, 08:18:02 pm

Fake News.

Provide Sources. You have 0 credibility. See all your Odom/DE nonsense from last year as my proof.

I ALREADY DID ON PREVIOUS THREADS, VERIFIED ON GOOGLE AND HAVE DIRECT FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE.

See this is what is funny.  There is a standard out there amd our administration is unwilling to meet a standard and the Lemings like 07 and fucup69 and others are unwilling to accept the facts.  

Sad....too bad complacency has set in with so many on this site.

Sad!!


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 10, 2017, 08:24:21 pm
I ALREADY DID ON PREVIOUS THREADS, VERIFIED ON GOOGLE AND HAVE DIRECT FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE.

See this is what is funny.  There is a standard out there amd our administration is unwilling to meet a standard and the Lemings like 07 and fucup69 and others are unwilling to accept the facts.  

Sad....too bad complacency has set in with so many on this site.

Sad!!

Provide the links please. Must've missed it. Hard to keep track with HK starting threads like they're going out of fashion.

I'm not unwilling to accept anything. I'll gladly say we're behind the pack on this, if we are. I just don't trust someone on the internet who has been horribly wrong in the past.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on October 10, 2017, 08:28:18 pm
FuCuP69.....I love your thought process to improving our football program...."why should we get one if no one else has one".  Good logic.

Anyway, back to your "much needed" info from me.  Everyone on our schedule this year and last has a Logo'd Cargo truck except for Elizabeth State City, Lafayette, Georgetown and Cent. Connecticut St.  Everyone else has one.  So we are in very "elite" company by not having one.



I you're going to make an issue about the things the program lacks, maybe you want to start with a real weight room?  Priorities.  Just sayin'...


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 10, 2017, 08:39:06 pm
07, I've started about five threads in six years. Use your other hand to count monkeyboy.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 10, 2017, 08:41:18 pm
07, I've started about five threads in six years. Use your other hand to count monkeyboy.

Let me know if you need my two year old to help you with spelling - PICKANICK


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 10, 2017, 09:15:17 pm

Fake News.

Provide Sources. You have 0 credibility. See all your Odom/DE nonsense from last year as my proof.

speaking of Fake News.....can you please let me know what I stated was incorrect with Odom?  I am just telling you what I was told directly from two NFL coaches.  Was I wrong in the fact that I called him "stone hands", was I wrong in the fact that 2 coaches told me that would look to move him to DE?  Do you think that NFL coaches can tell if a player is capable of blocking or tackling?   

I love (actually I don't love it, it is annoying) how defensive you get with my facts that you disagree with.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 10, 2017, 09:26:02 pm
Provide the links please. Must've missed it. Hard to keep track with HK starting threads like they're going out of fashion.

I'm not unwilling to accept anything. I'll gladly say we're behind the pack on this, if we are. I just don't trust someone on the internet who has been horribly wrong in the past.

so boring....I have already done the research....you go find it.  Google Football equipment trucks.....very easy. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 10, 2017, 09:30:40 pm
07, you may be about as dumb and as young as Coach Breiner. Please don't reproduce anymore.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 10, 2017, 09:40:20 pm
07, you may be about as dumb and as young as Coach Breiner. Please don't reproduce anymore.

  :o

Alright, Pickanick.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 10, 2017, 09:50:55 pm
speaking of Fake News.....can you please let me know what I stated was incorrect with Odom?  I am just telling you what I was told directly from two NFL coaches.  Was I wrong in the fact that I called him "stone hands", was I wrong in the fact that 2 coaches told me that would look to move him to DE?  Do you think that NFL coaches can tell if a player is capable of blocking or tackling?   

I love (actually I don't love it, it is annoying) how defensive you get with my facts that you disagree with.

You speak your opinions as if they are fact. That's your problem and that's why I point them out. I'm not doing the research. You made a claim. I called BS. It's on you to produce the evidence. That's how these things work.

You made these grandiose claims about Odom that turned out to be incorrect. If you said "I've heard that Odom may be asked to move to DE" then we're not talking about this. But you made claims that couldn't be substantiated and honestly I'm not really sure I believe the story about two NFL coaches feeding you information. Seems convenient that you brought that up only after Odom never sniffed the defensive side of the ball.

I also find it funny that you said I get annoyed with "facts I disagree with" yet you don't actually back up your "facts" and you full on attack anyone that disagrees with you by using that stupid Rose-colored glasses BS. I've been very critical of the Admin in the past and you even found a post from 3 years ago where I advocated for a defensive minded coach. I've been critical of the defense since well before AB.

Look at the company you've attracted. HK is trying to sit at your lunch table and become best buds. I know you're better than that but here we are.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 10, 2017, 10:08:27 pm
You speak your opinions as if they are fact. That's your problem and that's why I point them out. I'm not doing the research. You made a claim. I called BS. It's on you to produce the evidence. That's how these things work.

You made these grandiose claims about Odom that turned out to be incorrect. If you said "I've heard that Odom may be asked to move to DE" then we're not talking about this. But you made claims that couldn't be substantiated and honestly I'm not really sure I believe the story about two NFL coaches feeding you information. Seems convenient that you brought that up only after Odom never sniffed the defensive side of the ball.

I also find it funny that you said I get annoyed with "facts I disagree with" yet you don't actually back up your "facts" and you full on attack anyone that disagrees with you by using that stupid Rose-colored glasses BS. I've been very critical of the Admin in the past and you even found a post from 3 years ago where I advocated for a defensive minded coach. I've been critical of the defense since well before AB.

Look at the company you've attracted. HK is trying to sit at your lunch table and become best buds. I know you're better than that but here we are.

https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/projects/202/ac0de829800179.560424c7d821f.jpg


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 10, 2017, 10:20:26 pm
https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/projects/202/ac0de829800179.560424c7d821f.jpg

You have no idea what that is lol... I'll just agree that if we're ACTUALLY one of the few
FCS teams that don't have a dedicated equipment truck, then were behind the pack. As AOC pointed
Out, there's probably 10 other things that should be addressed first. We work out in a closet, going nuts over a cargo truck is misplaced anger.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 10, 2017, 10:24:50 pm
You have no idea what that is lol... I'll just agree that if we're ACTUALLY one of the few
FCS teams that don't have a dedicated equipment truck, then were behind the pack. As AOC pointed
Out, there's probably 10 other things that should be addressed first. We work out in a closet, going nuts over a cargo truck is misplaced anger.

I am not misplacing anger.....my point is that this is just one example.  There has to be a Fordham alum that owns Cargo trucks.  All it takes is a logo'd side, decals and stickers......Looks 100 times better than the graffiti-filled U-Haul truck.  I agree 100% that a weight room and offices are way more in important.  I am just talking about low hanging fruit.  If Monmouth has one than why the Hell don't we?  I am not comparing us to West Point, Navy, Eastern Michigan, Ball St., UConn, etc.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 10, 2017, 10:34:33 pm
I am not misplacing anger.....my point is that this is just one example.  There has to be a Fordham alum that owns Cargo trucks.  All it takes is a logo'd side, decals and stickers......Looks 100 times better than the graffiti-filled U-Haul truck.  I agree 100% that a weight room and offices are way more in important.  I am just talking about low hanging fruit.  If Monmouth has one than why the Hell don't we?  I am not comparing us to West Point, Navy, Eastern Michigan, Ball St., UConn, etc.

You can say that about a lot of things when comparing Fordham to other schools that we should consider peers and even schools that we should hold an advantage over. That's just the sad truth.  :-[


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on October 10, 2017, 10:35:04 pm
Anyway, back to your "much needed" info from me.  Everyone on our schedule this year and last has a Logo'd Cargo truck except for Elizabeth State City, Lafayette, Georgetown and Cent. Connecticut St.  Everyone else has one.  So we are in very "elite" company by not having one.

Yes indeed, we may be looked at as very astute for not wasting money on a truck which is used on average 5-6 times a year.  I can easily imagine the total costs of renting for those at most 5-6 days is less than the total cost of ownership (inclusive of both purchase price and opportunity cost properly weighted for time value of money, plus all annual costs of excise taxes, maintenance, insurance, etc.).

Of all the things to criticize our football program for needing, you pick the absolute least compelling thing.  You are the kind of fan (and I'm being generous here) that administrators make fun of.  Please stay away from Fr. McShane or you will taint all football fans by association.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on October 10, 2017, 10:41:06 pm
I am not misplacing anger.....my point is that this is just one example.  There has to be a Fordham alum that owns Cargo trucks.  All it takes is a logo'd side, decals and stickers......Looks 100 times better than the graffiti-filled U-Haul truck.  I agree 100% that a weight room and offices are way more in important.  I am just talking about low hanging fruit.  If Monmouth has one than why the Hell don't we?  I am not comparing us to West Point, Navy, Eastern Michigan, Ball St., UConn, etc.

In the West Point thread you actually did compare us to West Point.  You posted a link to a picture of the Army truck.

If it's this important to you, be that alum and donate the truck and stop making this so inexplicably important.

If it were up to me, I'd focus on the things that make an actual difference and not worry about "looks".


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 10, 2017, 10:44:38 pm
Yes indeed, we may be looked at as very astute for not wasting money on a truck which is used on average 5-6 times a year.  I can easily imagine the total costs of renting for those at most 5-6 days is less than the total cost of ownership (inclusive of both purchase price and opportunity cost properly weighted for time value of money, plus all annual costs of excise taxes, maintenance, insurance, etc.).

Of all the things to criticize our football program for needing, you pick the absolute least compelling thing.  You are the kind of fan (and I'm being generous here) that administrators make fun of.  Please stay away from Fr. McShane or you will taint all football fans by association.

McShane: Football? Is that where im asked to sit during nap time 5-6 times a year? That's a varsity program? I thought the program folded last century? You sure that's not the Prep? Go get Jeff, I need to be briefed on this.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 10, 2017, 10:47:15 pm
Yes indeed, we may be looked at as very astute for not wasting money on a truck which is used on average 5-6 times a year.  I can easily imagine the total costs of renting for those at most 5-6 days is less than the total cost of ownership (inclusive of both purchase price and opportunity cost properly weighted for time value of money, plus all annual costs of excise taxes, maintenance, insurance, etc.).

Of all the things to criticize our football program for needing, you pick the absolute least compelling thing.  You are the kind of fan (and I'm being generous here) that administrators make fun of.  Please stay away from Fr. McShane or you will taint all football fans by association.

I will present you, DamnRam with a big, giant, huge missclap...... act small, think small......be small.  Don't worry when I speak to Fr. McShane I never bring up, nor would I ever bring up the graffiti filled U Haul truck.  I speak to him in much bigger and broader terms.....But I will bring up our 31 year old coach.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 10, 2017, 10:49:03 pm
McShane: Football? Is that where im asked to sit during nap time 5-6 times a year? That's a varsity program? I thought the program folded last century? You sure that's not the Prep? Go get Jeff, I need to be briefed on this.

Actually funny 07, very funny.....Sad, true, but funny.  100% spot on.

and by the way, it is Jeff Jerry Jones Grey, just to correct the record.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 10, 2017, 10:51:49 pm
Actually funny 07, very funny.....Sad, true, but funny.  100% spot on.

and by the way, it is Jeff Jerry Jones Grey, just to correct the record.

Thought you make like that one  :D


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 71 on October 10, 2017, 10:53:04 pm
FuCuP69.....I love your thought process to improving our football program...."why should we get one if no one else has one".  Good logic.

Anyway, back to your "much needed" info from me.  Everyone on our schedule this year and last has a Logo'd Cargo truck except for Elizabeth State City, Lafayette, Georgetown and Cent. Connecticut St.  Everyone else has one.  So we are in very "elite" company by not having one.



Hey man, it's as simple as this: you say 90%, then back it up. You say "many" or "most" then ok.

This board is devolving into b.s. and name calling and it ain't good. Facts, opinions, put 'em out there and let's talk. B.S. and name calling, take it somewhere else.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on October 10, 2017, 10:54:13 pm
I will present you, DamnRam with a big, giant, huge missclap...... act small, think small......be small.  Don't worry when I speak to Fr. McShane I never bring up, nor would I ever bring up the graffiti filled U Haul truck.  I speak to him in much bigger and broader terms.....But I will bring up our 31 year old coach.

No, it's not thinking small, it's thinking big.  Big things happen when you manage your investments carefully.  I remember working for a company that didn't do this.  They spent a lot of money on a really fancy office because they felt it important to think big, look big, etc.  They went out of business.  By contrast I worked for a company that had a really beat up office.  They invested their money much more carefully, putting it into things that mattered.  They prospered.

That's fine.  He'll probably tell you "let's wait till the end of the season regarding the coach and then we'll evaluate", and then if you persist he'll think that he's said what can be said right now and move on to talk to someone else.  I've seen him do that kind of thing.  It's the right thing to do as well.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 10, 2017, 11:43:36 pm
Hey man, it's as simple as this: you say 90%, then back it up. You say "many" or "most" then ok.

This board is devolving into b.s. and name calling and it ain't good. Facts, opinions, put 'em out there and let's talk. B.S. and name calling, take it somewhere else.

Ok, I stand corrected.....there are approximately 130 FBS teams and from my research, knowledge, first hand experience and communications with insiders there are approximately 98% of these schools that have these logo'd trucks or approximately 127 FBS schools with Logo'd trucks.  There are approximately 130 FCS schools but for all practical purposes there are 110 FCS schools that care about athletics (Fordham being one of them).  From my research, knowledge, first hand experience and communications with insiders I estimate that 70% of the FCS schools that give a sh!t about athletics have a logo'd football equipment truck or aproximately 77 FCS schools with logo'd equipment trucks. 

This means that there are approximately 127 FBS and 77 FCS schools with logo'd trucks out of a possible 240 FBS and FCS schools combined. 

Therefore, I was wrong.  There are not 90% of the schools with logo'd trucks but actually approximately 85% of the schools with logo'd trucks and Fordham is not one of them. 

SAD!!


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 10, 2017, 11:46:02 pm
No, it's not thinking small, it's thinking big.  Big things happen when you manage your investments carefully.  I remember working for a company that didn't do this.  They spent a lot of money on a really fancy office because they felt it important to think big, look big, etc.  They went out of business.  By contrast I worked for a company that had a really beat up office.  They invested their money much more carefully, putting it into things that mattered.  They prospered.

That's fine.  He'll probably tell you "let's wait till the end of the season regarding the coach and then we'll evaluate", and then if you persist he'll think that he's said what can be said right now and move on to talk to someone else.  I've seen him do that kind of thing.  It's the right thing to do as well.

apples and oranges......meaningless.  So we spend $14 million on football but yet we are pinching pennies in a good way and making wise long term decisions for our University and the football team.  That is the dumbest things that I have every heard.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 11, 2017, 12:50:00 am
Actually funny 07, very funny.....Sad, true, but funny.  100% spot on.

and by the way, it is Jeff Jerry Jones Grey, just to correct the record.

No it is not. His last name is spelled GRAY. You could have checked the spelling on the Fordham website before posting your silly little insult, but you were too busy bitching and moaning about a lousy cargo truck. You are really un fion.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 11, 2017, 07:32:26 am
No it is not. His last name is spelled GRAY. You could have checked the spelling on the Fordham website before posting your silly little insult, but you were too busy bitching and moaning about a lousy cargo truck. You are really un fion.

Thanks Sparky.....Go put your complacency hat back on........ALL IS WELL!!

BLAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 11, 2017, 07:34:43 am
What is actually funny is that 10% of the responders on this thread don't think that AB should be on the "Hot Seat"......FuCop69 must have multiple log-in's.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 71 on October 11, 2017, 08:01:57 am
Ok, I stand corrected.....there are approximately 130 FBS teams and from my research, knowledge, first hand experience and communications with insiders there are approximately 98% of these schools that have these logo'd trucks or approximately 127 FBS schools with Logo'd trucks.  There are approximately 130 FCS schools but for all practical purposes there are 110 FCS schools that care about athletics (Fordham being one of them).  From my research, knowledge, first hand experience and communications with insiders I estimate that 70% of the FCS schools that give a sh!t about athletics have a logo'd football equipment truck or aproximately 77 FCS schools with logo'd equipment trucks. 

This means that there are approximately 127 FBS and 77 FCS schools with logo'd trucks out of a possible 240 FBS and FCS schools combined. 

Therefore, I was wrong.  There are not 90% of the schools with logo'd trucks but actually approximately 85% of the schools with logo'd trucks and Fordham is not one of them. 

SAD!!

Thanks. Interesting exercise . . .

A few comments:

In the final analysis I don't think FBS teams are pertinent. They are a different level, not the same league.

If your point is that having a truck shows commitment to running a program correctly, then you have to include all that play FCS football. You can't eliminate 20 because they aren't committed. So that may drop the number a little more. Just curious: who are those 20 schools?

Lastly, who in the PL aside from HC has trucks?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on October 11, 2017, 08:49:50 am
apples and oranges......meaningless.  So we spend $14 million on football but yet we are pinching pennies in a good way and making wise long term decisions for our University and the football team.  That is the dumbest things that I have every heard.

"Pinching pennies"?  No, more like managing a budget smartly.  Doing something just because you think everyone else is doing it is not in itself a good reason to do something, especially when you do so because you are worried about how something might "look".  In fact, those are the dumbest reasons to do something.  That kind of thinking is exactly why schools are now so unaffordable, and why some go out of business.  Budgets are at the end of the day just the sum of a lot of incremental expenses and you either have the money for all of those expenses or you don't.

Having said that, I will allow that there might be a good reason for buying a cargo truck, which is IF the total cost of ownership might be lower in the long term than renting.  Then I could see how such a decision might be justified.  Even then though there is the opportunity cost factor, which is that there is something more critical to the University or the football team right now.  I'm guessing that this is the reason why they don't have a truck, assuming of course that they even feel that this is actually a need.

Which brings me back to... If you feel the need and return is so great, why don't you just buy the truck for the school, either with your own funds or get something organized?  Fordham has far too many people who are full of ideas for what Fordham should do, yet we have far too few who actually put their time and money into those same ideas.  This is as you say a "really low hanging fruit", so I would think it would be quick and easy for the football backers to get it done.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 11, 2017, 09:28:22 am
Thanks. Interesting exercise . . .

A few comments:

In the final analysis I don't think FBS teams are pertinent. They are a different level, not the same league.

If your point is that having a truck shows commitment to running a program correctly, then you have to include all that play FCS football. You can't eliminate 20 because they aren't committed. So that may drop the number a little more. Just curious: who are those 20 schools?

Lastly, who in the PL aside from HC has trucks?

Georgetown is committed?  The only PL teams that don't have them are GTown, Fordham and Lafayette.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 11, 2017, 09:32:39 am
"Pinching pennies"?  No, more like managing a budget smartly.  Doing something just because you think everyone else is doing it is not in itself a good reason to do something, especially when you do so because you are worried about how something might "look".  In fact, those are the dumbest reasons to do something.  That kind of thinking is exactly why schools are now so unaffordable, and why some go out of business.  Budgets are at the end of the day just the sum of a lot of incremental expenses and you either have the money for all of those expenses or you don't.





So since we have done such a great job managing our budget is the reason why Fordham's all in tuition, room and board is only $70k per year but every (oops, excuse me.....A large majority of schools) school south of the Mason/Dixon Line is 50 cents on the dollar to northeast schools like Fordham?

Imagine if we "mismanaged" our budget.  Would our tuition, room, board be $80k per year and rising?

P.S. You are correct DamnRam, I love that we drive around in a graffiti filled box truck representing Fordham.  I am sure the Guards at the  Gates pulled that truck over and inspected every inch of it when it drove up to the security booth when we played West Point. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 71 on October 11, 2017, 09:52:08 am
Georgetown is committed?  The only PL teams that don't have them are GTown, Fordham and Lafayette.

No, it's whether you compete at the FCS level; that's the baseline number.  Commitment is a function of other things (budget, priority, facilities, etc.)

I think it's fair to say that G'town is not committed to competing in FCS football at a high level. 

The question is whether Fordham is committed, and whether the budget (which I understand is competitive with other PL schools) is apportioned in a way that makes sense.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on October 11, 2017, 10:15:30 am
Actually, the graffiti covered truck was all part of our, "New York is my campus " campaign.

Kudos to the marketing people!







Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 11, 2017, 12:56:17 pm
Thanks Sparky.....Go put your complacency hat back on........ALL IS WELL!!

BLAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Once again you lie like a rug. No one on these boards has said that all is well with the team this year. That is another claim with no basis in fact that you pulled out of your ass. Just a way for you to post that juvenile video clip. Shut down your computer now and go downstairs. Mommy has your lunch ready.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 11, 2017, 01:32:15 pm
FucOp, Your caregivers have the jello ready -red or white today?

BTW, AD is negotiating a game with Rice for 2024.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: JohnG92 on October 11, 2017, 01:56:58 pm
BTW, AD is negotiating a game with Rice for 2024.

Game in Texas -- great idea, seriously. I like it.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: xtey92a on October 12, 2017, 04:49:17 am
Game in Texas -- great idea, seriously. I like it.
Who said it was in Texas? >:D


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 12, 2017, 07:10:06 am
Its a "No Breiner"


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 12, 2017, 07:56:51 am
FucOp, Your caregivers have the jello ready -red or white today?

BTW, AD is negotiating a game with Rice for 2024.

7 years from now?  That doesn't sound accurate.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 12, 2017, 08:06:17 am
It's what I was told by a buddy over there. I have no way to verify. Apparently there is some internal discussion about Duke and a program in New Mexico (not sure who) as well.

I just hope that we aren't paying them $500,000 to beat the snot out of us in their own stadium.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Battering Ram on October 12, 2017, 08:45:11 am

I just hope that we aren't paying them $500,000 to beat the snot out of us in their own stadium.
what the bleep are you talking about?  Where do you get this crap?

Point to an example when we have ever paid to play up against a I-A team or paid for a road game.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 12, 2017, 08:47:24 am
It's what I was told by a buddy over there. I have no way to verify. Apparently there is some internal discussion about Duke and a program in New Mexico (not sure who) as well.

I just hope that we aren't paying them $500,000 to beat the snot out of us in their own stadium.

Your posts are not just juvenile, they are factually wrong. Big schools pay us to play them, not the other way around.  There is more than enough substance to discuss Breiner's situation. This is just nonsense.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 12, 2017, 08:49:59 am
85, you effin moron. I was being factious about payout


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 12, 2017, 08:51:24 am
Attack the posts, not the poster.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 12, 2017, 08:52:50 am
Be careful Antonio, I may just happen to say hello at a game....so you can hide under your seat. you quivering little non athlete pettifogger


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 12, 2017, 09:11:07 am
Be careful Antonio, I may just happen to say hello at a game....so you can hide under your seat. you quivering little non athlete pettifogger

 :D



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 12, 2017, 10:48:23 am
85, are you going to try to belly bounce me? When you do, please unplug your oxygen tank. I wouldn't want to you to keel over old timer.















Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: fred on October 12, 2017, 11:29:13 am
Playing Rice-- that's great-- they'll score 100 points on us


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 12, 2017, 12:14:14 pm
Playing Rice-- that's great-- they'll score 100 points on us

You can see 7 years into the future now? Dang, that's sweet.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Chaka001 on October 12, 2017, 12:57:12 pm
Our budget is not the problem, but I would not go one emphasizing/bragging/etc. that it is so large.  The primary reason why our FB operating budget is towards the top of the FCS level is simply because of our NYC metropolitan location.  We all know that NYC has a much higher cost of living than most areas of the country.  I would like to think that our coaches are paid fairly, but touting our bid budget is not based on a commitment to being successful but rather our expensive NYC address.  I highly doubt our staff is not making a mint while coaching at Fordham.

Now facilities, that is a completely separate issue.  We get a F- for facilities and until we wake up, develop a serious plan to upgrade facilities (for all sports) with a major athletics campaign we will never be able to excel at a higher level.  And I don't care what our travel van looks like.

Where Fordham will has succeeded is finding younger coaches that have a passion to coach at a higher level.  Clawson and Moorhead are those type of people.  I am not sure Beiner is.
- It was obvious, Clawson developed a plan to get the best talent in the door, play the best players that will show progress each year to a point where it impresses enough to get to the next bigger level/paycheck ASAP.  He didn't care about tanking a year if that would pay off in getting younger guys valuable playing time to excel at a faster rate in the years to come.  He basically had the same philosophy as my HS baseball coach.  If you have a Sophomore and a Senior competing for the same position and they they are at the same level, pick the Sophomore as the production level this year will be no worse than the senior, but he will be in a better position to improve sne be set up for success for two more years, versus miss out on that valuable year of experience. 
- Moorhead worked at a lower level at G-Town and reached a pinnacle of a bowl game at UConn, as well as the middle ground at Akron.  Again, he saw Fordham as a shot to prove himself as a HC; show progress and get to the next level ASAP.  He was smart enough to realize he had studs on the offensive side of the ball and with his offensive mind, he could win by outscoring the other team.

I wish Breiner all the best and was hoping he could turn this around.  My gut tells me he simply is not ready to be a head coach (maybe not smart and/or experienced enough?) or simply does not have the killer drive to succeed like other younger coaches that have elevated their careers at a rapid rate.   It is not an easy gig, but he was given the opportunity and ultimately he has to deliver.  I think he has to win at least 3 games this year to keep his job. 
- If your only wins are a last minute comeback at CCSU and scholarship-less G'Town, that is not going to cut it.  Add in the decent amount of talent on the roster and it looks worse.  Let face it, if you had to rank the teams by Most Disappointing Season, we could arguably finish in the top spot. 
- Maybe AOC can chime in, but do you think he made the right decisions with the coaching staff? Does he manage them well?  Do they respect AB? 
I have no idea but when Kaup asked earlier how did he go 8-3 last year? Other than graduating seniors, the only real difference is the staff right?  So what gives?  Other than the obvious of a few key injuries (which every team has), why is this team underperforming?

CHAKA

PS. I hope we schedule Rice, lower FBS team in a prime recruiting market and likely a decent pay day.
PSS. We need FBS transfers and possibly jucos for next year.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: xtey92a on October 12, 2017, 01:02:24 pm
Attack the posts, not the poster.

Very Jesuit of You.  :D


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on October 12, 2017, 02:44:10 pm
So since we have done such a great job managing our budget is the reason why Fordham's all in tuition, room and board is only $70k per year but every (oops, excuse me.....A large majority of schools) school south of the Mason/Dixon Line is 50 cents on the dollar to northeast schools like Fordham?

Imagine if we "mismanaged" our budget.  Would our tuition, room, board be $80k per year and rising?

I didn't say I agree with everything Fordham does.  In fact, if you were to actually read some of my other posts you'd know I've repeatedly called for Fordham to make some very hard decisions on what to cut back and what to focus on.  When I talk about managing a budget, I'm talking about not spending money stupidly.

As to your sweeping comparison of cost of Fordham vs. schools in an entirely different region, you seem blissfully unaware of small details such as costs varying wildly by region and city, some schools getting state support, some schools having a more focused scope, differences in endowment, etc.  You know, little things that make all the difference for those who have to actually run the school but mean nothing to trolls such as yourself who want to be able to make a point without concern for the truth.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 12, 2017, 07:27:03 pm
HK Ram is a weasel. Little Bespectabled pettifogger.Bring it!


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 12, 2017, 09:00:55 pm
85, Is that all you got fat ass? Guaranteed you'd only gotten into the College of Staten Island if you applied today you cromagnon idiot. As for the Antonio BS, are you Inspector Clouseau monkey brains?






Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 12, 2017, 10:58:59 pm
85, Is that all you got fat ass? Guaranteed you'd only gotten into the College of Staten Island if you applied today you cromagnon idiot. As for the Antonio BS, are you Inspector Clouseau monkey brains?


PICKANICK

PICK-A-NICK



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 12, 2017, 11:16:51 pm
Good luck with Colgate.

"I think you are a piece of crap"  - now that was class 07! Typical Fordham idiot.

Were you one of those commuters?



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ramdad on October 13, 2017, 07:46:13 am
You guys bickering back and forth just ruin this.  Please stop


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 13, 2017, 08:01:47 am
Good luck with Colgate.

"I think you are a piece of crap"  - now that was class 07! Typical Fordham idiot.

Were you one of those commuters?



Ha! That's rich coming from you.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 13, 2017, 08:07:21 am
You guys bickering back and forth just ruin this.  Please stop

+1

Please stop!


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on October 13, 2017, 08:07:29 am
Our budget is not the problem, but I would not go one emphasizing/bragging/etc. that it is so large.  The primary reason why our FB operating budget is towards the top of the FCS level is simply because of our NYC metropolitan location.  We all know that NYC has a much higher cost of living than most areas of the country.  I would like to think that our coaches are paid fairly, but touting our bid budget is not based on a commitment to being successful but rather our expensive NYC address.  I highly doubt our staff is not making a mint while coaching at Fordham.

Now facilities, that is a completely separate issue.  We get a F- for facilities and until we wake up, develop a serious plan to upgrade facilities (for all sports) with a major athletics campaign we will never be able to excel at a higher level.  And I don't care what our travel van looks like.

Where Fordham will has succeeded is finding younger coaches that have a passion to coach at a higher level.  Clawson and Moorhead are those type of people.  I am not sure Beiner is.
- It was obvious, Clawson developed a plan to get the best talent in the door, play the best players that will show progress each year to a point where it impresses enough to get to the next bigger level/paycheck ASAP.  He didn't care about tanking a year if that would pay off in getting younger guys valuable playing time to excel at a faster rate in the years to come.  He basically had the same philosophy as my HS baseball coach.  If you have a Sophomore and a Senior competing for the same position and they they are at the same level, pick the Sophomore as the production level this year will be no worse than the senior, but he will be in a better position to improve sne be set up for success for two more years, versus miss out on that valuable year of experience. 
- Moorhead worked at a lower level at G-Town and reached a pinnacle of a bowl game at UConn, as well as the middle ground at Akron.  Again, he saw Fordham as a shot to prove himself as a HC; show progress and get to the next level ASAP.  He was smart enough to realize he had studs on the offensive side of the ball and with his offensive mind, he could win by outscoring the other team.

I wish Breiner all the best and was hoping he could turn this around.  My gut tells me he simply is not ready to be a head coach (maybe not smart and/or experienced enough?) or simply does not have the killer drive to succeed like other younger coaches that have elevated their careers at a rapid rate.   It is not an easy gig, but he was given the opportunity and ultimately he has to deliver.  I think he has to win at least 3 games this year to keep his job. 
- If your only wins are a last minute comeback at CCSU and scholarship-less G'Town, that is not going to cut it.  Add in the decent amount of talent on the roster and it looks worse.  Let face it, if you had to rank the teams by Most Disappointing Season, we could arguably finish in the top spot. 
- Maybe AOC can chime in, but do you think he made the right decisions with the coaching staff? Does he manage them well?  Do they respect AB? 
I have no idea but when Kaup asked earlier how did he go 8-3 last year? Other than graduating seniors, the only real difference is the staff right?  So what gives?  Other than the obvious of a few key injuries (which every team has), why is this team underperforming?

CHAKA

PS. I hope we schedule Rice, lower FBS team in a prime recruiting market and likely a decent pay day.
PSS. We need FBS transfers and possibly jucos for next year.


It's hard to judge re: assistant coaches.   Assistant coach interviews are usually in a conference room at the convention or a trip to campus.  You meet with the staff, talk about your philosophy and spend a few hours on the board.  Because of the timing these hires are made quickly.  Playbooks have to be finished and finished and the coaches all need to be coached up before spring practice.

I'm thinking that AB wasn't fishing in a deep pool for assistants to begin with.  It's definitely a stepping stone job and guys know that.  What a smart assistant is asking himself is, "can I ride with this HC for 2-3 years and have enough success to take a step up?"  Except for really young guys who are right out of school or guys who don't have a job, I don't know that many were saying "yes".  

A place like Fordham is great to start your career, especially if you're smart enough to knock off the free grad degree.  There should have been guys out there.  Key positions like OC, DC, quarterbacks, O-line and secondary you have to aim higher.  I don't think this happened.  I don't know how much AB is doing himself with the offense.  O-line hasn't been good.  Defense as a hole has been plain bad. I don't know why he would have gone with a position coach from Bucknell to be DC unless he just couldn't get anyone else.  Also, when things are going south in one area, the coordinators and HC usually sit down and try to hash it out.  This is where experience is so important.  When the O-line is having a bad time for example, who has the experience to say, " we did it this way at Whatever State, let's try it here."  I think on the key spots I mentioned, AB didn't inspire guys to risk making the jump.  A very tough profession.  AB just doesn't seem to have guys who have been around the block a few times.  

It's tough business to move up in and easy to slide back with just a few tough years.  It's almost always a roll of the dice when you make a move so you really have to weigh it out.  I'm thinking AB got the best guys he could but didn't have a lot to pick from.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Chaka001 on October 13, 2017, 08:46:39 am
AOC,
Thanks for the insights, especially since it is a tough angle to grasp as we are not privy to who AB had to pick from. 

Again, all speculation here, but do you think with a very young coach that an experienced Asst or even Coordinator would take a coaching position at Fordham?  I guess it depends on the situation Program on rise, fall and stability, plus pay), but I question whether an experienced coach would want to work under AB.  IF... that is the case I would imagine that he has a small pool of inexperienced guys he can choose from.  Not to bash AB, but as some have posted on here and I do think it is fair to say he was a glorified position coach as JM was calling the plays.  If Asst candidates were aware of that I would think he would attract an even smaller pool of candidates.  A lot of speculation, but I would guess that is logical and possibly played into the situation.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on October 13, 2017, 09:50:45 am
AOC,
Thanks for the insights, especially since it is a tough angle to grasp as we are not privy to who AB had to pick from. 

Again, all speculation here, but do you think with a very young coach that an experienced Asst or even Coordinator would take a coaching position at Fordham?  I guess it depends on the situation Program on rise, fall and stability, plus pay), but I question whether an experienced coach would want to work under AB.  IF... that is the case I would imagine that he has a small pool of inexperienced guys he can choose from.  Not to bash AB, but as some have posted on here and I do think it is fair to say he was a glorified position coach as JM was calling the plays.  If Asst candidates were aware of that I would think he would attract an even smaller pool of candidates.  A lot of speculation, but I would guess that is logical and possibly played into the situation.



Yes, I think there guys out there but you may have to make some calls and chase them and show some love.  And pay them.  My impression is AB couldn't or wouldn't do that.  If he's his own OC, he really needs a line coach and QB coach who no what they're doing.  Experience is important and it doesn't have to be on the big-time level.  Do you think a line coach from Rowan couldn't do this job just because he's from a D-III school?  We're not exactly playing a Big 12 schedule.  My impression, from things I've heard/seen is that AB doesn't especially want to know what he doesn't know. 

I do think guys knew the reality of ABs hire.  Maybe not the details but they knew.  He's a very young guy working for a guy on the fast track.  His OC credentials were minimal at best.  That said, a job is a job and at any given time there are a lot of good coaches looking for work.  While I'm sure guys weren't throwing resumes at him at the convention but had he gotten on the phone and been proactive, he would have found guys who knew what they were doing, I'm sure.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 71 on October 13, 2017, 10:08:40 am
. . . My impression, from things I've heard/seen is that AB doesn't especially want to know what he doesn't know. 

Of all the things that have been posted about the HC situation, that's the most distressing one.  Not being conscious of and honest about your own shortcomings is an easy road to problems. And unfortunately, it goes hand in hand with inexperience and insecurity, as many of us know from painful lessons . . .


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 13, 2017, 11:54:01 am
Hubris


Title: Who should our next football coach be?
Post by: HKRam on October 14, 2017, 01:06:12 pm
Why wait to start this until the end of the game....

AB is incompetent on so many levels.


Title: Re: Who should our next football coach be?
Post by: HKRam on October 14, 2017, 01:17:18 pm
Aoc - Please come out of retirmement.


Title: Re: Who should our next football coach be?
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 14, 2017, 01:36:48 pm
Why wait to start this until the end of the game....

AB is incompetent on so many levels.

Wow. What an original post. Is this the first time you've questioned the coach's ability?

HKOnetrickpony. You're the alternative to Ram-Louse's stupid "All is Well" video clip--with you it's "All is Lost."

As I recall, the last time a thread with this subject was started by you, it was quickly locked.


Title: Re: Who should our next football coach be?
Post by: HKRam on October 14, 2017, 01:52:38 pm
Red or green jello today Fucop?


Title: Re: Who should our next football coach be?
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 14, 2017, 01:56:43 pm
Wow. What an original post. Is this the first time you've questioned the coach's ability?

HKOnetrickpony. You're the alternative to Ram-Louse's stupid "All is Well" video clip--with you it's "All is Lost."

As I recall, the last time a thread with this subject was started by you, it was quickly locked.

Thanks Sparky......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro


Title: Re: Who should our next football coach be?
Post by: HKRam on October 14, 2017, 02:17:13 pm
RS, That never gets old. It always brings a chuckle.


Title: Re: Who should our next football coach be?
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 14, 2017, 02:30:10 pm
Red or green jello today Fucop?

Ask your wife (is she your second or third?), she's bringing it over.  >:D


Title: Re: Who should our next football coach be?
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 14, 2017, 02:33:59 pm
RS, That never gets old. It always brings a chuckle.

And it usually brings ace. He has asked Ram-Louse to stop posting it. It is repetitive and juvenile, but completely in keeping with the displayed intelligence of the three members of the Axis of Evil.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 14, 2017, 02:37:44 pm
Ram-spouse, don’t post that video again.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 14, 2017, 02:41:20 pm
Ram-spouse, donít post that video again.

Ok, can you please tell Fucop69 to stop asking me to post it?


Title: Re: Who should our next football coach be?
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 14, 2017, 02:42:51 pm
And it usually brings ace. He has asked Ram-Louse
FukUp69 please stop calling me Ram-Louse


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 14, 2017, 02:44:26 pm
fucop

Stop with your Vietnam flashbacks. My wife is not a Saigon ladyboy.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 14, 2017, 02:46:00 pm
Guys, enough with the personal crap. It was old a long time ago. Act your age.


Title: Re: Who should our next football coach be?
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 14, 2017, 02:48:17 pm
FukUp69 please stop calling me Ram-Louse

No.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 14, 2017, 02:50:57 pm
Sorry Ace, I didn't know Fucop was so sensitive about his little vice.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 14, 2017, 02:51:56 pm
Just cut it out overall. That’s the last time I ask.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 14, 2017, 02:55:26 pm
Ok, can you please tell Fucop69 to stop asking me to post it?

You have the intelligence of a sand flea with dementia. I have never asked you to post that juvenile video clip. Quite the opposite. But it has been well established that you are unable to read for comprehension. Now go back to your coloring books.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 14, 2017, 02:57:31 pm
Just cut it out overall. That’s the last time I ask.

This message was for everyone, not just HKRam. If you like posting here, clean it up.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 14, 2017, 02:57:49 pm
Just cut it out overall. Thatís the last time I ask.

Okay ace. There's nothing to be gained by going back and forth with those three anyway.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 14, 2017, 03:47:34 pm
Can someone please tell me how 7 people don't think that AB should be on the Hot Seat?  You can change your vote.  Does Rambacker and FucOp69 have multiple log-in accounts?  Their Rose-colored glasses need to have their prescription changed ASAP.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: charlietags on October 14, 2017, 04:07:32 pm
At this point in time it appears we may only beat Georgetown. If that's the case then we should be looking for a new coach. I'm not sure why we  did what we did? Probably because it was easy. But at this point going 2-11, would be the start of a downhill trend that can only signal the demise of Fordham Football.  Not something I want to see happen.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 14, 2017, 04:23:27 pm
I think the proh cess ( as the Canadians would say) needs to commence.

I like this guy.
http://cuse.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1500&path=football


This thing is in the terlet.  I dont see any way of fixing this with this coach.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 14, 2017, 05:12:36 pm
He's a good one 85.

Roach is going to need a lot of help on this.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on October 14, 2017, 05:42:12 pm
Can someone please tell me how 7 people don't think that AB should be on the Hot Seat?  You can change your vote.  Does Rambacker and FucOp69 have multiple log-in accounts?  Their Rose-colored glasses need to have their prescription changed ASAP.

Hot seat yes. Fired No. The team is bad and we know this. Why must people continue to puke on after every loss? It's half way through the 2nd season, he deserves a chance at a 3rd year. Unless there is a violation , abuse of players or total loss of player control he should stay. Losing games in year 2 alone is not a reason to fire a coach.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Touchdown17 on October 14, 2017, 05:43:52 pm
I gave Coach B a grade of B last year.  I honestly thought we would have a good year with Chase, Anderson and many returning starters..  The PL title or at very least an FCS playoff bid.  Wups.  
The early schedule was tough  Army, EWU and no gimme games (Elizabeth City State /Columbia etc).   Yet figured we would bounce back and string together a winning steak.  How wrong I was.  Coach B and staff get a grade of  F.  The wheels are off.  I know Fordham usually doesn't make quick decisive coaching changes but to go ~ 2-9 with this talent.  Its time for one.    


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 14, 2017, 06:09:23 pm
When it's obvious, you cut him loose.

It's beyond obvious this guy is in over his skis.

Bad hire, no more chances. We don't need another Pecora, DW, or Bad Coach situation.

Sionora Raggedy Andy.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 14, 2017, 06:22:03 pm
Hot seat yes. Fired No. The team is bad and we know this. Why must people continue to puke on after every loss? It's half way through the 2nd season, he deserves a chance at a 3rd year. Unless there is a violation , abuse of players or total loss of player control he should stay. Losing games in year 2 alone is not a reason to fire a coach.

He deserves nothing whatsoever. He was gifted this job for which he was woefully light in the resume.  No search was done and we never should have hired him in the first place. I don't blame the coach for accepting a promotion, anyone would, but this is over.  Done.

We fired Foley after 2 years and quite frankly, given the talent, this is worse.

People are puking , as you say , after each game because the team gets worse every game. To quote Herb Brooks, you get worse every day and right now you are playing like it's the middle of next week.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Touchdown17 on October 14, 2017, 06:32:28 pm
 we can hope for a Hail Mary with Coach M.   

PSU has a great year.   OC  BallCoachJoMo gets hired as a HC at the end of this season at a power 5 school.  He plucks AB (more like we beg him to take AB along) to join his staff as the QB Coach.   Coach M helps alma mater avoid the drama since he likely pushed AB's hiring to begin with.  We wish them both well  and start fresh with a new coach.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 14, 2017, 06:41:10 pm
Personally, I think Joe knew the guy wasn't going to work out that well. Most guys in leadership positions rarely recommend guys to replace them that will do a better job than themselves in order to preserve their own legacy. Raggedy Andy isn't following Joe anywhere.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: pjd on October 14, 2017, 07:26:10 pm
Cory Bailey O0


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 14, 2017, 08:08:01 pm
Personally, I think Joe knew the guy wasn't going to work out that well. Most guys in leadership positions rarely recommend guys to replace them that will do a better job than themselves in order to preserve their own legacy. Raggedy Andy isn't following Joe anywhere.

Are you insinuating that Coach Moorhead purposely set us up to fail in order to protect his legacy?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 14, 2017, 08:46:38 pm
I don't believe that I've insinuated a blessed thing 007.

If Joe in fact gave him the kind of reference that would land AB the job - no doubt.

Joe isn't stupid guy. Do you actually believe that JM didn't understand both this clown's capabilities nor the ramifications of putting a then 28/29 year old in charge of a top 25 program after working closely with him for several years?

Let me take it a step further, why didn't Joe take Raggedy Andy's Lockhaven a$$ with him to PSU?

JM absolutely knew he sold Roach a bill of goods.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 14, 2017, 09:16:10 pm
I don't believe that I've insinuated a blessed thing 007.

If Joe in fact gave him the kind of reference that would land AB the job - no doubt.

Joe isn't stupid guy. Do you actually believe that JM didn't understand both this clown's capabilities nor the ramifications of putting a then 28/29 year old in charge of a top 25 program after working closely with him for several years?

Let me take it a step further, why didn't Joe take Raggedy Andy's Lockhaven a$$ with him to PSU?

JM absolutely knew he sold Roach a bill of goods.

I find the idea preposterous. Moorhead is a stand-up guy and would not recommend a guy unless he thought he could do the job.

Also not sure Moorhead had the ability to take anyone with him to PSU. I could be wrong, but that is not something assistants tend to be able to do.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 14, 2017, 09:29:27 pm
I don't believe that I've insinuated a blessed thing 007.

If Joe in fact gave him the kind of reference that would land AB the job - no doubt.

Joe isn't stupid guy. Do you actually believe that JM didn't understand both this clown's capabilities nor the ramifications of putting a then 28/29 year old in charge of a top 25 program after working closely with him for several years?

Let me take it a step further, why didn't Joe take Raggedy Andy's Lockhaven a$$ with him to PSU?

JM absolutely knew he sold Roach a bill of goods.

HK, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 14, 2017, 09:31:26 pm
Alma mater or not, Joe has an ego.

I think Joe was well aware that AB wasn't of same caliber that he was, and Joe certainly knew that AB was incapable of even coming close to Joe's performance. That said, I don't think that Joe had any intention of sabotaging his alma mater - despite our ugly reality (again if in fact he actually made the recommendation - which I'm not certain that he did). However, if he did, JM too is very culpable here.





Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 14, 2017, 09:44:33 pm
I am sure Joe knew that Breiner was not of the same caliber, but I doubt he thought that Breiner could not get the job done.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Richie68 on October 14, 2017, 09:55:00 pm
People are puking , as you say , after each game because the team gets worse every game.

This is what bothers me.  The team gets worse every game.  Very fortunately, I had to miss today's game because of family obligations, but from the commentary I have read, we were totally non-competitive.  A coach must be judged on the progress of the team and how it is performing, even if we are losing, but we are getting worse in all facets of the game with each game. 

There is no fix for this season, but I am hoping that Roach is gathering a list of reputable people to approach after the season ends.  Breiner has lost this team, but the animosity shown by some here towards Breiner is misplaced.  He was a bad hire and we will have a bad season, period.  Attacking the man is foolish.  If he could fix it, he would.  Going forward, I hope that we do a national search as we did with Neubauer and bring this program back to credibility.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 14, 2017, 09:55:19 pm
Ace, we can agree to disagree on that point.

I get the notion that "the cupboard was bare".

However, we would NEVER be in this current predicament without JM's recommendation (again, if JM actually did that). He is responsible - knowing what the outcome would become or not.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 14, 2017, 10:06:12 pm
Ace, we can agree to disagree on that point.

I get the notion that "the cupboard was bare".

However, we would NEVER be in this current predicament without JM's recommendation (again, if JM actually did that). He is responsible - knowing what the outcome would become or not.

I agree he is culpable. The buck stopped elsewhere, but it is somewhat on him also. I just don't think he knew or thought he could not do the job. So basically I am half with you and with you on your more important point that he is responsible to a point.

Let me add that it is very common for an outgoing coach in good standing to vouch for one of his guys. That is why you have to still do your due diligence and not just go with the recommendation.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 15, 2017, 07:53:31 am
No conspiracies, please.  The admin,. wasnt looking to blow this up and the Moorhead allegation is beyond preposterous.

One really bad, lazy, mail-it in hire.  It can be fixed. But no way this coach can possibly come back next year.

If you think a coach can't fix things quickly, take a look at Columbia.   They were moribound, they woudl beat this team. Probably soundly.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 15, 2017, 08:14:32 am
Maybe we can hire the Columbia coach.

I still think AOC should be a place card holder starting next week. At least the lads will learn something and he'll give the freshman some playing time before they transfer.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 15, 2017, 08:17:17 am
http://www.goarmywestpoint.com/coaches.aspx?rc=435&path=football

http://www.rockathletics.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1157&path=football


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 15, 2017, 08:31:32 am
love it 85. Keep them coming. Both look great. Imagine if you could marry the two of them into our program with the talent we have...

We should compile a list of guys that Roach should reach out to, and then present it to him so he can do his job properly this time.





Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: fred on October 15, 2017, 08:45:06 am
Interesting that so many have jumped on my bandwagon after after getting chastised early in the season.  The root of this problem is the Head Coach.  He is awful.  He play calling can be summed up with the failed fake punt to Coyle yesterday.  What has been dangerous is that AB actually believed in the hype that he was a prodigy.  Well, it's been proven that he's not.

Moreover, I said early in the season that his players hate him.  That includes the stars of the program.  So many kids left the program because of his antics. 

I'm not a fatalist, but the future is dim.   The offensive line substantially will be gone. The sophomore class is nonexistent.  Any talented freshman may decide to leave.  Incoming surely will change their minds.

This will take years.............

AB's  future with Fordham has been determined; ours has not


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 15, 2017, 08:48:17 am
Exactly why you need to hire a coordinator from a 1A program. Snag a few transfers from their program, then a few more for players he was recruiting the past few years who are looking to transfer and we get back......we have a big budget, this is a good job.....right guy won't take that long...oh, and he has to actually be able to coach too...given this debacle, national search committee is warranted...........it probably wasnt 2 years ago....but now it is....pick a cliche'...penny wise pound foolish...strike while the iron is hot....

At this level of football, you actually can get back up to speed quickly given that transfers down do not have to sit out. I think we need about 5 for next year.

Here is my guy: http://cuse.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1500&path=football


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 2ram on October 15, 2017, 09:11:00 am
This is what bothers me.  The team gets worse every game. 

bothers me too. very troubling indeed. play has gone from bad to worse...


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 15, 2017, 09:23:53 am
85, you're absolutely correct. JM seemed to prove it with a few UCONN transfers.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on October 15, 2017, 09:42:49 am


We fired Foley after 2 years and quite frankly, given the talent, this is worse.

People are puking , as you say , after each game because the team gets worse every game. To quote Herb Brooks, you get worse every day and right now you are playing like it's the middle of next week.
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Who is we? Last I checked nobody on here hires or fires people. You may think you do but you don't! So foley was fired after 2 years and the team he recruited wins a patriot league title a year later. He loses Watson , eakin, Dudley and is expected to win 10 games? So he gets fired and masellla wins a title with foleys players and gets a fat extension but wait than "you" fire masella..

JM gets a 3 year head start with schollies in a bad non scholarship league and all the sudden he is Vince Lombardi.. AB is in a tough situation but the morons on here once again call for firing ..


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 15, 2017, 09:44:54 am

We fired Foley after 2 years and quite frankly, given the talent, this is worse.

People are puking , as you say , after each game because the team gets worse every game. To quote Herb Brooks, you get worse every day and right now you are playing like it's the middle of next week.

Who is we? Last I checked nobody on here hires or fires people. You may think you do but you don't! So foley was fired after 2 years and the team he recruited wins a patriot league title a year later. He loses Watson , eakin, Dudley and is expected to win 10 games? So he gets fired and masellla wins a title with foleys players and gets a fat extension but wait than "you" fire masella..

JM gets a 3 year head start with schollies in a bad non scholarship league and all the sudden he is Vince Lombardi.. AB is in a tough situation but the morons on here once again call for firing ..

Its the corporate WE . And if you believe some of the posters here, nobody really knows who made this hire. We, me, you, Roach, McShane,the invisible man, nobody is owning this hire......absolutely nobody..... 

Breiner will be fired the day after the last game this season.  No chance he survives. None.

Wait, maybe the gridiron guys are all too busy with their carpentry work on the new offices to post any longer here ?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 71 on October 15, 2017, 10:07:57 am

We fired Foley after 2 years and quite frankly, given the talent, this is worse.

People are puking , as you say , after each game because the team gets worse every game. To quote Herb Brooks, you get worse every day and right now you are playing like it's the middle of next week.


Who is we? Last I checked nobody on here hires or fires people. You may think you do but you don't! So foley was fired after 2 years and the team he recruited wins a patriot league title a year later. He loses Watson , eakin, Dudley and is expected to win 10 games? So he gets fired and masellla wins a title with foleys players and gets a fat extension but wait than "you" fire masella..

JM gets a 3 year head start with schollies in a bad non scholarship league and all the sudden he is Vince Lombardi.. AB is in a tough situation but the morons on here once again call for firing ..

The calls for firing started early because there were a couple of posters with an axe to grind. (The reason for their vitriol is still not clear. Whether AB stole their lunch money, their girl friends, ran over their pets, fired them or they felt they should have his job. The recent arrival to posting and the level of their hysteria points to the last two.)

That being said, whether it is moronic or rational the scrutiny is now on the record. Being 8 and 3 last year looked acceptable (although the Lehigh debacle now appears to have been a harbinger of difficult times to come).  Regardless of the reasons, the past records, who it is or how it happened, this record (and the fact that the team has not looked competitive in most games) would have the coach (any coach) looking for a new job.

Did anyone think that we'd be looking at the Georgetown game in hopes of putting something positive onto the season?  Good grief.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 15, 2017, 10:13:47 am
71

While I can't speak for RS, I am happy to accept the credit for being early trying to oust this putz. There is no ax to grind, it was patently obvious at Army and EWU that this guy was not qualified to coach - let alone shine my shoes.

I was being generous when I said that we'd win three games. Georgetown will be another loss - this nasty, talentless buffoon has lost his players. They want him gone as well.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 15, 2017, 10:17:52 am
The personal attacks on the coach are not warranted.

He was a very young guy, the youngest in D1 at the time, who was handed a massive promotion. He took it. And who wouldn't?

And in fairness, considering how some other Fordham coaches acted when they were losing and on hot seat (Hill, DW, Pecora, Grasso), AB's conduct has been exemplary. Take the bullet and move on. At least you made some decent cash for two years.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 71 on October 15, 2017, 10:22:49 am
71

While I can't speak for RS, I am happy to accept the credit for being early trying to oust this putz. There is no ax to grind, it was patently obvious at Army and EWU that this guy was not qualified to coach - let alone shine my shoes.

I was being generous when I said that we'd win three games. Georgetown will be another loss - this nasty, talentless buffoon has lost his players. They want him gone as well.

I asked before but you haven't responded: under what circumstances have you interacted with AB?  How do you know the man?

It's one thing to say he can't coach, but when you call him "nasty" or arrogant, or heap on the negative personal remarks, that indicates you're looking at it from a perspective other than a disappointed fan.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 15, 2017, 10:29:39 am
71, I will plead the fifth on how but rest assured that I'm more than just a disappointed fan.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 15, 2017, 10:29:49 am
The personal attacks on the coach are not warranted.

He was a very young guy, the youngest in D1 at the time, who was handed a massive promotion. He took it. And who wouldn't?

And in fairness, considering how some other Fordham coaches acted when they were losing and on hot seat (Hill, DW, Pecora, Grasso), AB's conduct has been exemplary. Take the bullet and move on. At least you made some decent cash for two years.


+1

We can criticize the coach without the personal attacks.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: tuckertomm on October 15, 2017, 10:48:29 am
71, I will plead the fifth on how but rest assured that I'm more than just a disappointed fan.
A covert operative in the fordhamfans.com posting protection program ;D


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 15, 2017, 10:50:14 am
Not quite. But I like the way that sounds.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 71 on October 15, 2017, 10:50:34 am
71, I will plead the fifth on how but rest assured that I'm more than just a disappointed fan.

I think that answers the question.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 15, 2017, 10:53:23 am
Russian HKer?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Rob Smith on October 15, 2017, 11:26:24 am
Moreover, I said early in the season that his players hate him.  That includes the stars of the program.  So many kids left the program because of his antics. 

Care to elaborate? Certainly his style would differ from JM which could elicit a different response from the team, but coaches arenít here to bend to the whims of the athletes.

Are you saying the team hated him last year when they were winning? Did he do something during the off-season that lead to a revolt? Losing magnifies issues, but that alone shouldnít cause a mass exodus.

Feel free to PM me if you donít want to post openly.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on October 15, 2017, 11:28:18 am
71, I will plead the fifth on how but rest assured that I'm more than just a disappointed fan.

Haha yea you're a fking joke! A nothing , a loser and incessant poster of garbage..unless you're roach or grey you have as much say as the rest of us which is nothing.. im sorry that you feel that your 50 dollar donation each year entitles you to making coaching changes but it doesn't..


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 15, 2017, 11:41:21 am
Ha 85! Nyet


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: alanccrx on October 15, 2017, 11:45:40 am
Can someone provide a good reason why Coach Breiner should remain the HC at Fordham?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: JCMB on October 15, 2017, 11:54:59 am
Exactly why you need to hire a coordinator from a 1A program. Snag a few transfers from their program, then a few more for players he was recruiting the past few years who are looking to transfer and we get back...

Yes, isn't this what happened when we hired JM?  Mike Nebrich followed JM from UConn and had a standout career.  Hopefully something similar can happen.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 15, 2017, 11:57:49 am
Alan

He is fucop's great grandson. FUcop has a lot of influence with the BOT.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on October 15, 2017, 12:32:23 pm
Cory Bailey O0

Absolutely no.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 15, 2017, 12:52:59 pm
Absolutely no.

Maybe Bailey could get Joe Moorhead's recommendation; he was Joe's center when they were both on the Ram Football team under Coach Nick Quartaro. And don't forget that his Assumption team beat Fordham at Coffey Field in 2010.  >:D


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on October 15, 2017, 12:56:44 pm
Maybe Bailey could get Joe Moorhead's recommendation; he was Joe's center when they were both on the Ram Football team under Coach Nick Quartaro. And don't forget that his Assumption team beat Fordham at Coffey Field in 2010.  >:D

Great guy, solid coach.

Not what we need, IMO.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 15, 2017, 01:19:50 pm
Haha yea you're a fking joke! A nothing , a loser and incessant poster of garbage..unless you're roach or grey you have as much say as the rest of us which is nothing.. im sorry that you feel that your 50 dollar donation each year entitles you to making coaching changes but it doesn't..

I said yesterday no more name calling. That goes for everyone. Starting with bans very soon.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 15, 2017, 01:32:41 pm
Ace

You made the point yesterday, and for the most part we've been civil. Madram needs to go.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 15, 2017, 01:34:49 pm
Ace

You made the point yesterday, and for the most part we've been civil. Madram needs to go.

I agree. I’m assuming he missed the message yesterday. Besides, it’s harder to handle on my phone, so people have until tomorrow.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: toby on October 15, 2017, 01:46:45 pm
There is not a job opening.... but I posted in the last search prior to JM; Glenn Caruso, HC St. Thomas, MN.

94 -14 HC record. Grew up in greenwich, Ct - GHS state title champ. 3 year starter at Ithaca. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"g
Post by: HKRam on October 15, 2017, 01:49:31 pm
His comments were totally unacceptable.

An example needs to be made of this guy


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 15, 2017, 01:54:31 pm
His comments were totally unacceptable.

An example needs to be made of this guy

Sure, but that could be said about plenty of people. I am sure you can agree and come up with a few other examples.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 15, 2017, 02:03:27 pm
not since that well deserved warning to me and others.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 15, 2017, 02:52:36 pm
Can someone provide a good reason why Coach Breiner should remain the HC at Fordham?

There is no good reason why AB should keep his job.  With that being said I put the chances at 78.4% chance that he gets one more year due to BOT, Fr. McShane, Jeff Jerry Jones Gray and Frank.....Roach will want him gone but he has no say in the matter.

There are 8 people on this thread who have "voted" that he should not be fired/on the Hot Seat.....Why don't you ask them.  They are so far below the radar screen that they will never pop their heads up.  Actually.........

HOW BOUT THE 8 ROSE-COLORED GLASSES BRIGADE PRESENT YOURSELF AND TELL US ALL WHY AB SHOULDN'T BE ON THE HOT SEAT.

HAVE SOME BALLS AND TELL US WHO YOU ARE.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 15, 2017, 03:44:21 pm
There is no good reason why AB should keep his job.  With that being said I put the chances at 78.4% chance that he gets one more year due to BOT, Fr. McShane, Jeff Jerry Jones Gray and Frank.....Roach will want him gone but he has no say in the matter.

There are 8 people on this thread who have "voted" that he should not be fired/on the Hot Seat.....Why don't you ask them.  They are so far below the radar screen that they will never pop their heads up.  Actually.........

HOW BOUT THE 8 ROSE-COLORED GLASSES BRIGADE PRESENT YOURSELF AND TELL US ALL WHY AB SHOULDN'T BE ON THE HOT SEAT.

HAVE SOME BALLS AND TELL US WHO YOU ARE.



Deep breaths. Deep breaths. You're not going to bully people into agreeing with you.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on October 15, 2017, 04:34:48 pm
Ace

You made the point yesterday, and for the most part we've been civil. Madram needs to go.



Oh wipe those tears away .. don't go crying to ace


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 15, 2017, 04:53:26 pm
Dude, no one cares about th ball breaking and frankly I quite enjoy receiving as much as I give. Unless you're AB, your profanity laced rants need

Your inability to communicate like an educated man is the issue. You know better. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 15, 2017, 05:02:14 pm


Your inability to communicate like an educated man is the issue. You know better. 

You can't be serious. Have you read your posts? Essentially every post directed to Fucup sounds like it came from and angry school yard bully. You call AB Raggedy Andy! (Which isn't funny btw)


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 15, 2017, 05:04:35 pm
You can't be serious. Have you read your posts? Essentially every post directed to Fucup sounds like it came from and angry school yard bully. You call AB Raggedy Andy! (Which isn't funny btw)

not since that well deserved warning to me and others.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 15, 2017, 05:23:04 pm
007

AB is a public Fordham figure. He is fair game. He took the job, and was well aware that some angry alums and large donors would come after his hide of he didn't produce. He burned the crop before harvest.

You're right about Fucop, and I've pretty much stopped with the personal insults. But you and the rest of the  crew need to stop personally coming after those whose views of this coach differ.

I will end it with we all want the same thing and we all know what needs to be done with the program. How we get there is at issue.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Rich93 on October 15, 2017, 05:32:26 pm
007

AB is a public Fordham figure. He is fair game. He took the job, and was well aware that some angry alums and large donors would come after his hide of he didn't produce. He burned the crop before harvest.

You're right about Fucop, and I've pretty much stopped with the personal insults. But you and the rest of the  crew need to stop personally coming after those whose views of this coach differ.

I will end it with we all want the same thing and we all know what needs to be done with the program. How we get there is at issue.



Are these the same large donors who canít come up with the cash to rebuild the offices? 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 15, 2017, 05:45:25 pm
Deep breaths. Deep breaths. You're not going to bully people into agreeing with you.

We are talking football here 07....stop acting like Jonathan Martin from the Dolphins.  Anyone voting against AB on the Hot Seat is part of the problem.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 15, 2017, 05:52:33 pm
http://www.niuhuskies.com/coaches.aspx?rc=802&path=football

I think that the Mid American Conference is a good spot to look for coordinators to take over at our level.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on October 15, 2017, 05:54:53 pm
http://www.niuhuskies.com/coaches.aspx?rc=802&path=football

I think that the Mid American Conference is a good spot to look for coordinators to take over at our level.

+1


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ramrookie21 on October 15, 2017, 07:15:24 pm
I have read the Football posts all season and have been entertained, amused, annoyed and bemused. As an ex D1 college player and parent of a D1 player, I am disappointed with the direction of the team under AB. I think it is a combination of things that have contributed to the poor performance this year but I donít blame the players. Having 9 out of 14 coaches on staff join in 2016-2017 is a huge problem and those coaches have very little to no connection with the players. Offense AND Defensive play calling has been interesting to say the least. Execution in all three facets of the game has been problematic: special teams, defense and offense all need to be in step to have success. Playing kids out of position and injured doesnít help. I agree that AB is in over his head but does he not recognize his limitations and challenges? Does he not have someone who can help him and guide him when he struggles?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Fordham Lurker on October 15, 2017, 07:23:15 pm
We have two times in (fairly) recent memory promoted a top assistant to fill the vacancy created by a successful coach moving on.  In both instances, we had a top 25 program that nosedived within two seasons.

Promotions of a top assistant are done in the name of continuity, but I'm not sure "continuity" is actually what you get when you promote an assistant.  

At major FBS programs, promoting an assistant often works.  At major FBS programs, you not only a deep and talented roster, but every coach on the staff has EARNED their way onto a major FBS staff, having proven themselves elsewhere.   You have a deep and proven staff.  When such a program promotes the assistant, that assistant has enough experience to understand that the manner by which he must now relate to the players must change. The relationship that the head football coach maintains with players differs from the relationship that an assistant coach can have with players.  So from the coach's perspective, there is no "continuity."  He knows he must change to fit the job of being the head coach.

When a major FBS program promotes from within, it is not do that for "continuity" sake.  It is done because the AD, or whoever makes the hire, believes that the top assistant has been groomed to be a top man and is now the best man available for the job.  And ultimately he gets the job because he is the best man available[/b] -- not because of "continuity."

When we have an opening, we have to hire the best man available. Period.  On an FCS, that man is seldom the top assistant.  FCS staffs just don't have that depth and experience.

So, the next time this happens,




Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: PatriotLeagueGuru24 on October 15, 2017, 07:51:02 pm
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/holy-cross-fire-gilmore-name-rock-interim-coach-101517

Holy Cross fires their coach today after 4 straight losses


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 15, 2017, 08:13:23 pm
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/holy-cross-fire-gilmore-name-rock-interim-coach-101517

Holy Cross fires their coach today after 4 straight losses

You're late to the party, Guru24. This was discussed this morning on the Patriot League Is Now The Worst...thread.  :D


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on October 15, 2017, 08:29:19 pm
I have read the Football posts all season and have been entertained, amused, annoyed and bemused. As an ex D1 college player and parent of a D1 player, I am disappointed with the direction of the team under AB. I think it is a combination of things that have contributed to the poor performance this year but I donít blame the players. Having 9 out of 14 coaches on staff join in 2016-2017 is a huge problem and those coaches have very little to no connection with the players. Offense AND Defensive play calling has been interesting to say the least. Execution in all three facets of the game has been problematic: special teams, defense and offense all need to be in step to have success. Playing kids out of position and injured doesnít help. I agree that AB is in over his head but does he not recognize his limitations and challenges? Does he not have someone who can help him and guide him when he struggles?

He has a young staff, noticeably absent of a couple of grey beards that could serve as senior counsellors. I believe that was out of design. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 15, 2017, 09:36:39 pm
We have two times in (fairly) recent memory promoted a top assistant to fill the vacancy created by a successful coach moving on.  In both instances, we had a top 25 program that nosedived within two seasons.

Promotions of a top assistant are done in the name of continuity, but I'm not sure "continuity" is actually what you get when you promote an assistant.  

At major FBS programs, promoting an assistant often works.  At major FBS programs, you not only a deep and talented roster, but every coach on the staff has EARNED their way onto a major FBS staff, having proven themselves elsewhere.   You have a deep and proven staff.  When such a program promotes the assistant, that assistant has enough experience to understand that the manner by which he must now relate to the players must change. The relationship that the head football coach maintains with players differs from the relationship that an assistant coach can have with players.  So from the coach's perspective, there is no "continuity."  He knows he must change to fit the job of being the head coach.

When a major FBS program promotes from within, it is not do that for "continuity" sake.  It is done because the AD, or whoever makes the hire, believes that the top assistant has been groomed to be a top man and is now the best man available for the job.  And ultimately he gets the job because he is the best man available[/b] -- not because of "continuity."

When we have an opening, we have to hire the best man available. Period.  On an FCS, that man is seldom the top assistant.  FCS staffs just don't have that depth and experience.

So, the next time this happens,

To be fair, Clawson did not leave Foley a top 25 program. We went into Clawsonís final season in the top 25 but did not finish there. We finished 4-3 in the PL and not nationally ranked.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ramrookie21 on October 15, 2017, 10:59:36 pm
Thanks for the insight. why would the Fordham brass have a young inexperienced coach lead a top 25 FCS program with having a mentor available or someone around to provide some degree of advisement? The youth of the staff is also a problem as it doesnít seem any of them have any experience dealing with this type of poor performance (as evidenced by the sideline tantrums at Lafayette)  As Fordham Lurker accurately points out, promoting a ďtopĒ assistant doesnít always work out. To me, lack of leadership is the root of the problem.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Battering Ram on October 16, 2017, 09:11:07 am
As Fordham Lurker accurately points out, promoting a ďtopĒ assistant doesnít always work out. To me, lack of leadership is the root of the problem.
no, it doesn't but when Clawson and Moorhead left they both pressured the administration into elevating one of their assistants.  Clawson publicly endorsed Foley at the meet the recruits night which occurred the week he announced that he was leaving.  The late Richie Marin then endorsed hiring Foley and essentially threw the weight of the Gridiron club behind Foley.  Moorhead endorsed Breiner but not in the same way as Clawson and in both cases, the players pushed for the assistant to be promoted.  Both were bad decisions but let's not ignore the pressure that Fordham was under.  I'm sure everyone on this board thinks that they could have stood up to that pressure but don't kid yourself.  When a highly successful coach endorses a successor and the booster club is behind it and the players want it, it would take an unusually strong and bold AD to reject that candidate and hire someone else.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: jimbo65 on October 16, 2017, 09:28:34 am
no, it doesn't but when Clawson and Moorhead left they both pressured the administration into elevating one of their assistants.  Clawson publicly endorsed Foley at the meet the recruits night which occurred the week he announced that he was leaving.  The late Richie Marin then endorsed hiring Foley and essentially threw the weight of the Gridiron club behind Foley.  Moorhead endorsed Breiner but not in the same way as Clawson and in both cases, the players pushed for the assistant to be promoted.  Both were bad decisions but let's not ignore the pressure that Fordham was under.  I'm sure everyone on this board thinks that they could have stood up to that pressure but don't kid yourself.  When a highly successful coach endorses a successor and the booster club is behind it and the players want it, it would take an unusually strong and bold AD to reject that candidate and hire someone else.
Very true. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Rich93 on October 16, 2017, 09:34:09 am
Good post on how the hire occurred.  Breiner does not deserve the personal vitriol he is getting from some.  He took a job and his shot to be a head coach.  You canít fault him for that. He worked hard gave it his best shot. Lesson to be learned is that hiring an FCS coordinator to be a head coach is not the way to go. As someone else said the budget limits the depth of an FCS staff as opposed to FBS which pays coordinators well and prepares them to be head coaches.  Make a change after the year but no need to go after Breiner on a personal level. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 16, 2017, 09:47:07 am
Good post on how the hire occurred.  Breiner does not deserve the personal vitriol he is getting from some.  He took a job and his shot to be a head coach.  You canít fault him for that. He worked hard gave it his best shot. Lesson to be learned is that hiring an FCS coordinator to be a head coach is not the way to go. As someone else said the budget limits the depth of an FCS staff as opposed to FBS which pays coordinators well and prepares them to be head coaches.  Make a change after the year but no need to go after Breiner on a personal level. 

Another interesting point... Battering Ram notes that the players pushed for AB, yet there's a few posters on this board - most notably HK and Fred - that AB has lost the players and they don't want to play for him anymore. I personally find it hard to believe that the players have abandoned ship, but I can't be sure. It would be nice if someone with any credibility could shed some light on the situation.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 16, 2017, 09:49:14 am
Agreed. All that Breiner did was accept a promotion. DW,Hill, Pecora, Grasso acted as first class jerks so the vitriol aimed at them had justification. Not here. Just a young guy who took a promotion.

I disagree as to the pressure on the hire. I know Roach pretty well and he has the onions to stand up to such pressure. Especially when you factor in that you were hiring the youngest coach int he country at the time, it would have given anyone reason to pause and investigate further.  Roach stood up to the big donors that were in Pecora's back pocket and he fired him.  He should have handled this. He has 40 years of experience and he has a contract into retirement. He should have known better and not hired him. And never, ever, ever let the players dictate a hire, that is sports 101.

Roach owns this hire.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Battering Ram on October 16, 2017, 09:49:57 am
Lesson to be learned is that hiring an FCS coordinator to be a head coach is not the way to go.
not necessarily.  Dave Clawson did not have HC experience.  

I think the lesson that needs to be learned is for the Gridiron Club to show some restraint in the matter.  They do great work but they have not helped in these searches.  If they can limit their input then I think the players' pressure becomes less of an influence.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 16, 2017, 09:50:12 am
We are talking football here 07....stop acting like Jonathan Martin from the Dolphins.  Anyone voting against AB on the Hot Seat is part of the problem.

no-one here is part of the problem because no-one here has anything to do with the hiring or firing of our football coach.

You're mentality of "IM RIGHT BECAUSE IM LOUD AND YOU NEED TO DO WHAT I SAY" is the same type of mentality that possibly got AB hired ("HIRE MY ASSISTANT HES GREAT DO IT NOW").

We need less of that and more rational and reasoned decision making.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 16, 2017, 09:51:38 am
Again, in my view the Mid America Conference is where we should be looking for a coordinator who wants to be a head coach.  Lot of up and coming talent there and the money would work here.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 16, 2017, 09:53:12 am
not necessarily.  Dave Clawson did not have HC experience.  

I think the lesson that needs to be learned is for the Gridiron Club to show some restraint in the matter.  They do great work but they have not helped in these searches.  If they can limit their input then I think the players' pressure becomes less of an influence.

Roach owns this hire. The man has 40 years of experience and IVY and PL pedigree. He should have known better than to hire a 31 y.o coach at Fordham.  Influence, yes, they certainly have influence, but Roach makes the decision and he blew this one big time.  He fired Pecora in the face of very big donors objection.  He did it by the book. He has a contract to take him to retirement. He owns this. Anyone who knows Fordham, knows that Fordham is definitely a place with unique challenges and definitely not the place to take a huge gamble on hiring the youngest coach in the country.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Battering Ram on October 16, 2017, 09:57:59 am
Roach owns this hire. The man has 40 years of experience and IVY and PL pedigree. He should have known better than to hire a 31 y.o coach at Fordham.  Influence, yes, they certainly have influence, but Roach makes the decision and he blew this one big time.  He fired Pecora in the face of very big donors objection.  He did it by the book. He has a contract to take him to retirement. He owns this.
the donor base was split re: Pecora.  Yes, some big donors wanted to keep TP.  Others wanted him out.  Different circumstances than with the AB hire.  IMO, the Gridiron Club holds a lot more away over the football program than the Rebounders Club and hoops donors do over the basketball program.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 16, 2017, 10:00:03 am
Not doubting you but in the end, there were so many better options. At a minimum, tag Breiner as interim then argue your case and do a thorough vetting. There was no down side to doing that.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: JCMB on October 16, 2017, 10:15:53 am
...Make a change after the year but no need to go after Breiner on a personal level. 
+1
The personal criticism of AB has been over the top.  Criticize his strategies, recruitment or other aspects of his football credentials, not him personally.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Free the F 4 on October 16, 2017, 10:53:56 am
Heat just went up a notch.   Holy Cross let Tom Gilmore go after the Yale game.  Mid season canning for a guy who has been there 14 years.  Mediocre records for the most part but a PL title in 09. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on October 16, 2017, 10:55:32 am
not necessarily.  Dave Clawson did not have HC experience.  

I think the lesson that needs to be learned is for the Gridiron Club to show some restraint in the matter.  They do great work but they have not helped in these searches.  If they can limit their input then I think the players' pressure becomes less of an influence.

You're barking up the wrong tree.  The GC had limited influence on this. This was JM going to high up in the administration..


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on October 16, 2017, 11:02:07 am
the donor base was split re: Pecora.  Yes, some big donors wanted to keep TP.  Others wanted him out.  Different circumstances than with the AB hire.  IMO, the Gridiron Club holds a lot more away over the football program than the Rebounders Club and hoops donors do over the basketball program.

Exactly who are the " big donors".  I look in the annual report. I'm not seeing much at the $100k level.  Donors should have zero influence in these matters. They don't have enough skin in the game to have a say.  There have been a handful of people over the years who stepped up with checks over the years.  As far as I know they've been classy supporters who haven't interfered. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Touchdown17 on October 16, 2017, 11:28:38 am
what percent chance do you think a HC change is made after the season?    when this poll 1st came out ,  I voted for wait till after season and then consider how it played out..   I thought we would string together some W's and make a run in the PL.   Clearly that's not the case and were headed for a ~ 2-9 season.    Fordham usually doesn't make quick decisive coaching decisions.    but I'm moving over to the camp a change is necessary.   is it a 90% chance AB gets let go ..  or you guys think its more 50/50 range?       


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: jimbo65 on October 16, 2017, 11:38:48 am
what percent chance do you think a HC change is made after the season?    when this poll 1st came out ,  I voted for wait till after season and then consider how it played out..   I thought we would string together some W's and make a run in the PL.   Clearly that's not the case and were headed for a ~ 2-9 season.    Fordham usually doesn't make quick decisive coaching decisions.    but I'm moving over to the camp a change is necessary.   is it a 90% chance AB gets let go ..  or you guys think its more 50/50 range?       
Strictly a feeling but I suggest closer to the 90 percentile than the 50.  Who would have thought Holy Cross would fire the coach mid-season, assuming the dismissal was for poor performance.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 71 on October 16, 2017, 12:35:39 pm
Strictly a feeling but I suggest closer to the 90 percentile than the 50.  Who would have thought Holy Cross would fire the coach mid-season, assuming the dismissal was for poor performance.

I think it depends on what happens in the next 4 games. If (here's hoping) it gets turned around, then I think there's a good chance AB could stay on. If it goes the way it's been going and the team is non competitive . . . well football coaches get fired for those kinds of results . . . even at schools where football isn't life and death.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Richie68 on October 16, 2017, 05:14:02 pm
what percent chance do you think a HC change is made after the season?    when this poll 1st came out ,  I voted for wait till after season and then consider how it played out..   I thought we would string together some W's and make a run in the PL.   Clearly that's not the case and were headed for a ~ 2-9 season.    Fordham usually doesn't make quick decisive coaching decisions.    but I'm moving over to the camp a change is necessary.   is it a 90% chance AB gets let go ..  or you guys think its more 50/50 range?       

The team has taken a real nosedive, both offensively and defensively and you can throw in special teams.  I really can't see the administration not letting Breiner go after the season ends, unless the team wins 4 out of the next 4 ending at 5 and 6 and then they might keep him.   But I, for one, really doubt this team under Breiner is capable of winning out.

Who could we possibly replace him with now?  Another coordinator on the staff.  God forbid!  We could not secure a reputable guy to come in now on such short notice and succeed.  It's better to start drawing up the list of candidates now, get a consulting search firm like we did with Neubauer, and act as soon as the season is over.

Too bad.  I was really looking forward to this season in August.  :-\


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ramrookie21 on October 16, 2017, 08:17:09 pm
Responding to the quote about all the players ďwantingĒ AB as coach is not true.  Another post today discussed the clash with HC Breiner and one of his better defensive players. In addition, there is a lot of conflict between the players on the Offense and the Defense that needs to be addressed and handled by strong leadership. The sidelines during the Lafayette and Colgate games highlighted some of the current tension with the team.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: RamFan4 on October 16, 2017, 09:18:25 pm
Responding to the quote about all the players ďwantingĒ AB as coach is not true.  Another post today discussed the clash with HC Breiner and one of his better defensive players. In addition, there is a lot of conflict between the players on the Offense and the Defense that needs to be addressed and handled by strong leadership. The sidelines during the Lafayette and Colgate games highlighted some of the current tension with the team.

+1
Iím not going to explain my credibility, but at the time of ABís hiring there was a significant number of players that were pretty unhappy about the decision.  So, he didnít have the entire room from the start.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 17, 2017, 06:18:30 am
http://utrockets.com/coaches.aspx?rc=318&path=football




Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 17, 2017, 06:58:52 am
the donor base was split re: Pecora.  Yes, some big donors wanted to keep TP.  Others wanted him out.  Different circumstances than with the AB hire.  IMO, the Gridiron Club holds a lot more away over the football program than the Rebounders Club and hoops donors do over the basketball program.

No way.  The firing of Pecora was over heavy objection and threats to pull big money off the table. And those threats were carried out. The firing of Pecora was a far tougher sell by Roach than hiring of a 31 y/o assistant. Plus, Pecora had a contract extension to deal with , so not only did we lose donor money, we had to pay Pecora.
Roach made the right call on Pecora, the right call on Neubauer and his teams are winning across the board. I cant believe he pushed aside with this hire.

At this juncture, you appear to be the only poster who is insinuating that the Griidiron Club was responsible for this hire.  One other poster insists that it was Moorhead being able to leapfrog the AD and force the hire .......otherwise, there really isnt too much intel on how this hire went down......most of the football posters are in deep hiding....


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Battering Ram on October 17, 2017, 09:06:00 am
Your twisting what I wrote.

No way.  The firing of Pecora was over heavy objection and threats to pull big money off the table.
that does not mean that donors were not split.  I didn't dispute that some donors opposed firing Pecora but it was not a united front.  There were divisions.  I believe that the Gridiron Club was more united than was the Rebounders Club and I wrote that I think the GC is more influential than the RC.


At this juncture, you appear to be the only poster who is insinuating that the Griidiron Club was responsible for this hire. 
I didn't insinuate that.  I believe the club was a factor -- one of several.  Moorhead was probably more infuential and part of his influence may have been to get the GC's support behind the hire.  I don't get the sense that this was quite as influential as Dave Clawson's support for Foley but I stand by what I wrote earlier -- (paraphrasing) that posters are kidding themselves if they think that they would have stood up to a popular and influential coach, the booster club and significant support from players.  Those are tough constituencies to overcome.  We can all wish that the administration would be stronger in the face of those pressures.  I think some posters dismiss them too easily.

The only thing I should have corrected is implying that all the players were behind AB.  Instead of writing "the players", which suggested all the players, I should have written "many". 

 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 17, 2017, 09:14:08 am
+1
Iím not going to explain my credibility, but at the time of ABís hiring there was a significant number of players that were pretty unhappy about the decision.  So, he didnít have the entire room from the start.

Why were they unhappy?

It just seems odd to me that this stuff is coming out now, during a terrible season. Where were these mumblings when he was hired? or during last season?

If you're not going to explain your credibility (seems like an odd thing to start with, but ok), help us understand your point. What did the players see that Moorhead didn't?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on October 17, 2017, 09:32:02 am

I didn't insinuate that.  I believe the club was a factor -- one of several.  Moorhead was probably more infuential and part of his influence may have been to get the GC's support behind the hire.  I don't get the sense that this was quite as influential as Dave Clawson's support for Foley but I stand by what I wrote earlier -- (paraphrasing) that posters are kidding themselves if they think that they would have stood up to a popular and influential coach, the booster club and significant support from players.  Those are tough constituencies to overcome.  We can all wish that the administration would be stronger in the face of those pressures.  I think some posters dismiss them too easily.

The only thing I should have corrected is implying that all the players were behind AB.  Instead of writing "the players", which suggested all the players, I should have written "many". 


If the booster club and a coach going out the door had as much influence as you say we are in major trouble.  The GC does a nice job but I don't see how they have the juice to move the needle much.  Our football office remains on the drawing board because the money is very slow coming in.   Any AD that looks to players for significant input on these hires is a guy abdicating his responsibility.  I don't believe Roach did that.  The idea of AB getting the job was ok'd from above and if Roach had input otherwise, it was ignored.  He is a team player and does what his bosses want.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: PA Ram on October 17, 2017, 10:07:57 am
If the booster club and a coach going out the door had as much influence as you say we are in major trouble.  The GC does a nice job but I don't see how they have the juice to move the needle much.  Our football office remains on the drawing board because the money is very slow coming in.   Any AD that looks to players for significant input on these hires is a guy abdicating his responsibility.  I don't believe Roach did that.  The idea of AB getting the job was ok'd from above and if Roach had input otherwise, it was ignored.  He is a team player and does what his bosses want.

spot on


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: fred on October 17, 2017, 05:20:01 pm
no one here was AB to go more than me; it's because he's awful.  I mean just an awful coach with horrible people skills.

No one is getting rid of him durum the year.  For what -- we will have a loosing record even if we win out the year.  Nothing to gain.

We need to ride out the storm.  It's going to be demoralizing but it's inevitable.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on October 19, 2017, 08:19:01 pm
no one here was AB to go more than me; it's because he's awful.  I mean just an awful coach with horrible people skills.

No one is getting rid of him durum the year.  For what -- we will have a loosing record even if we win out the year.  Nothing to gain.

We need to ride out the storm.  It's going to be demoralizing but it's inevitable.



You are either a disgruntled player or parent


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 19, 2017, 08:36:39 pm
no one here was AB to go more than me; it's because he's awful.  I mean just an awful coach with horrible people skills.

Where were you last year, Fred?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on October 19, 2017, 09:56:34 pm
no one here was AB to go more than me; it's because he's awful.  I mean just an awful coach with horrible people skills.

No one is getting rid of him durum the year.  For what -- we will have a loosing record even if we win out the year.  Nothing to gain.

We need to ride out the storm.  It's going to be demoralizing but it's inevitable.



Fred,  how do you have all of this intimate knowledge of the team, coach and situation?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: fred on October 19, 2017, 10:22:35 pm
Everything I've been saying has come to light as true.........


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 19, 2017, 10:57:17 pm
Everything I've been saying has come to light as true.........

And you still haven't answered my question: where were you last year? Was or was not Breiner as "awful" as you now claim? If so, why didn't you bring that up last season.

Answer the question, or continue to duck it and prove that you're a worthless cowardly troll.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 20, 2017, 03:03:24 am
Fucop, Didn't Ace warn us all about hurling abuse. Please stop. I've completely laid off of you.

BTW, I've just landed in Ho Chi Minh City. Would you know if the game is being livestreamed live here?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 20, 2017, 07:46:34 am
Fucop, Didn't Ace warn us all about hurling abuse. Please stop. I've completely laid off of you.

BTW, I've just landed in Ho Chi Minh City. Would you know if the game is being livestreamed live here?

@FUCoP69, I am going to agree with HKRam here. Comments like you made are what start flame wars. We don't need that. It's only been a week, but it has been a good week as far as that stuff goes. I would like for it to continue.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 20, 2017, 11:29:13 am
Fucop, Didn't Ace warn us all about hurling abuse. Please stop. I've completely laid off of you.

Mind your own posts. This has nothing to do with you.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 20, 2017, 11:34:17 am
@FUCoP69, I am going to agree with HKRam here. Comments like you made are what start flame wars. We don't need that. It's only been a week, but it has been a good week as far as that stuff goes. I would like for it to continue.

ace, I'll accept a reprimand from you, but not from HKRam. He's in no position to chastise anyone, given his posting history. In any event, my post was not directed at him.

Fred has still not answered my question. I do believe that he is a troll.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Rob Smith on October 20, 2017, 02:58:01 pm
In the scheme of things this is minor, but can someone tell AB to not have a pencil sticking out of his hat during his weekly video previews? Appearances matter and it looks stupid in an obvious promotional video.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: fred on October 20, 2017, 05:01:01 pm
Obviously AB not using the pencil to write anything down


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: fred on October 20, 2017, 05:05:12 pm
and frankly I really don't care with some dickheads have to say about me... when AB is in the unemployment line soon, we all will be for the better


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 20, 2017, 06:25:57 pm
First ban is 2 days. Next is permanent.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 20, 2017, 06:52:02 pm
Fucop, You know how you complain incessantly about my posts as being annoying?  I can tell you that quite a number of us find yours equally (if not more so) annoying. I've not taken a bat to you in over a week. Show a bit more respect and stop with your anger laden rants and personal attacks directed at posters who you disagree with. Be civil.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on October 20, 2017, 09:46:27 pm
Fucop, You know how you complain incessantly about my posts as being annoying?  I can tell you that quite a number of us find yours equally (if not more so) annoying. I've not taken a bat to you in over a week. Show a bit more respect and stop with your anger laden rants and personal attacks directed at posters who you disagree with. Be civil.

You couldn't possibly have ever played college football. Certainly not for Fordham.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 21, 2017, 02:13:50 am
Madram, That's because why?

I'm uncertain if you're trying to insult me or paying me a compliment.








Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 21, 2017, 08:13:22 am
I don't see how the coach survives....to me the bigger issue is holding someone accountable for such a ridiculous hire and making sure there is accountability up the line going forward...this type of a hire never should have happened in the first place.......

http://www.goarmywestpoint.com/coaches.aspx?rc=446&path=football


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on October 21, 2017, 09:56:28 am
I don't see how the coach survives....to me the bigger issue is holding someone accountable for such a ridiculous hire and making sure there is accountability up the line going forward...this type of a hire never should have happened in the first place.......

http://www.goarmywestpoint.com/coaches.aspx?rc=446&path=football


What are you intending to communicate by including this link?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Fordham Lurker on October 21, 2017, 10:00:16 am
I don't see how the coach survives....to me the bigger issue is holding someone accountable for such a ridiculous hire and making sure there is accountability up the line going forward...this type of a hire never should have happened in the first place.......

http://www.goarmywestpoint.com/coaches.aspx?rc=446&path=football


When was the last time we had a head coach who worked his way up on the defensive side of the ball?  Masella? It may be time.

I think the program is at the same spot it was at the Foley to Masella handoff.  The talent is there, I think. The right staff can turn this around and get it heading in the right direction quickly.  


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 21, 2017, 10:17:05 am
What are you intending to communicate by including this link?

You need an explanation ?   Ive been posting possible HCs here for a couple of weeks. 

I honestly think its a foregone conclusion on Breiner.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 21, 2017, 10:19:26 am
Everything I've been saying has come to light as true.........

The entire fan base can watch the games and reach these conclusions. The season is a train wreck, one doesn't need to purport to have inside knowledge to see that. It is painfully obvious.  Hoping for better today.  Seems like a winnable game.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on October 21, 2017, 01:39:48 pm
I don't see how the coach survives....to me the bigger issue is holding someone accountable for such a ridiculous hire and making sure there is accountability up the line going forward...this type of a hire never should have happened in the first place.......

http://www.goarmywestpoint.com/coaches.aspx?rc=446&path=football


Really? Your answer for a new coach is An outside linebackers coach from army? No coordinator experience and 8 seasons as a defensive assistant.. wow you really swung for the fences with this hire. Please tell us what in gods name qualifies this guy to be our new head coach


Title: Fire Breiner at the Half
Post by: HKRam on October 21, 2017, 03:25:16 pm
What a train wreck


Title: Re: Fire Breiner at the Half
Post by: ace93 on October 21, 2017, 03:52:29 pm
I understand the sentiment, but starting a thread is silly. One, you have made your feelings known countless times. Two, it’s just not going to happen.


Title: Re: Fire Breiner at the Half
Post by: Madram on October 21, 2017, 03:58:22 pm
What a train wreck

Those who scream the loudest often know the least


Title: Re: Fire Breiner at the Half
Post by: HKRam on October 21, 2017, 03:59:45 pm
Is this a well coached team Madram? If so, I stand corrected.


Title: Re: Fire Breiner at the Half
Post by: Madram on October 21, 2017, 04:36:23 pm
Is this a well coached team Madram? If so, I stand corrected.

The team is bad and having a bad year we all can see this but what does screaming and crying about firing the coach every chance you get solve? If the AD feels a cha e is needed. He will make the move and I'm fine with that but screaming about it and incessantly posting about it solves nothing and brings no value.


Title: Re: Fire Breiner at the Half
Post by: 85 on October 21, 2017, 04:46:31 pm
Come on HK.... this is a silly thread......there is enough substance here....you are just trying to provoke people......most had this had this penciled in as a win and it appears they will hold on.... let em enjoy it if they hold on for a W..


Title: Re: Fire Breiner at the Half
Post by: PA Ram on October 21, 2017, 04:58:18 pm
This is not great football by any stretch but at least I see a team who hasnít given up and just mailed it in.  Theyíre fighting.


Title: Re: Fire Breiner at the Half
Post by: HKRam on October 21, 2017, 05:01:01 pm
Yes PA they're fighting....against a bad high school team.

I hear Friday Night Lights II is being filmed at Fordham.


Title: Re: Fire Breiner at the Half
Post by: PA Ram on October 21, 2017, 05:29:31 pm
Yes PA they're fighting....against a bad high school team.

I hear Friday Night Lights II is being filmed at Fordham.

Thatís one of the things that everyone without an axe to grind looks for to determine if a coach has completely lost a team or not. 


Title: Re: Fire Breiner at the Half
Post by: Madram on October 21, 2017, 05:36:07 pm
Good thing they allowed AB to coach the second half and didn't listen HK Ram


Title: Re: Fire Breiner at the Half
Post by: HKRam on October 21, 2017, 06:38:47 pm
Good thing. They really dominated a team that doesn't offer any scholarships......

How do you think Raggedy Andy would fare against Columbia or Don Bosco Prep?

Top 25 to top 225. Great coach, youre right. What was I thinking Madram...



Title: Re: Fire Breiner at the Half
Post by: FU85 on October 21, 2017, 07:32:33 pm
Good thing. They really dominated a team that doesn't offer any scholarships......

How do you think Raggedy Andy would fare against Columbia or Don Bosco Prep?

Top 25 to top 225. Great coach, youre right. What was I thinking Madram...



HK,
     I'm sorry to report but bosco is very beatable right now and it's tough on us alum but I get your point


Title: Re: Fire Breiner at the Half
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 21, 2017, 07:41:18 pm
Good thing. They really dominated a team that doesn't offer any scholarships......

How do you think Raggedy Andy would fare against Columbia or Don Bosco Prep?

Top 25 to top 225. Great coach, youre right. What was I thinking Madram...

With this thread, your unceasing attacks on Coach Breiner have moved from personal ax grinding to completely obsessive. Everyone here knows how you feel. What are you trying to prove?


Title: Re: Fire Breiner at the Half
Post by: ace93 on October 21, 2017, 07:52:34 pm
Merging with hot seat thread.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 21, 2017, 08:25:36 pm
FuCop,

You said publicly that you weren't going to respond to me. Now that you're back at it. I'd be really interested to know what your thoughts were as to the timing of Breiner's public hanging.

Spending some time today at the Cuchi tunnels in my shiny green suit. Ditty mao!





Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on October 21, 2017, 08:54:39 pm
FuCop,

You said publicly that you weren't going to respond to me. Now that you're back at it. I'd be really interested to know what your thoughts were as to the timing of Breiner's public hanging.

Spending some time today at the Cuchi tunnels in my shiny green suit. Ditty mao!

I have already posted that I believe that Dave Roach should review every aspect of this season, and make his decision on staffing shortly after the end of the season. If he decides that Breiner has to go, so be it. The same for the assistants.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: toby on October 24, 2017, 02:42:31 pm
http://kstp.com/sports/st-thomas-2017-miac-preview-caruso-perra/4574022/

he will be taken soon...

10 years as HC = 100 + wins and counting.



Title: Re: Fire Breiner at the Half
Post by: An Old Coach on October 24, 2017, 03:07:50 pm
HK,
     I'm sorry to report but bosco is very beatable right now and it's tough on us alum but I get your point

Teal's not Toal, for sure.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 24, 2017, 03:12:20 pm
http://kstp.com/sports/st-thomas-2017-miac-preview-caruso-perra/4574022/

he will be taken soon...

10 years as HC = 100 + wins and counting.



I don't have any interest in a guy that's been coaching that long at a lower level. Would rather go after the experienced assistant that has the drive to be a HC and advance his career.

This guy may very well be a good coach, but I see 10 years in one spot and I'd be worried about his drive to coach at the highest levels and his ability to adapt to an entirely new recruiting game.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: toby on October 27, 2017, 11:47:49 am
I don't have any interest in a guy that's been coaching that long at a lower level. Would rather go after the experienced assistant that has the drive to be a HC and advance his career.

This guy may very well be a good coach, but I see 10 years in one spot and I'd be worried about his drive to coach at the highest levels and his ability to adapt to an entirely new recruiting game.

hmmm, I guess I would have to disagree with your above statement....I think there would be more than a few successful D3 HC's that made successful careers after the jump to a higher-level.

off the top of my head:

Jim Tressel
Brian Kelly

Again, without doing any research those two come to mind as fairly decent coaches.  IDK, you?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on October 27, 2017, 12:32:50 pm
I don't have any interest in a guy that's been coaching that long at a lower level. Would rather go after the experienced assistant that has the drive to be a HC and advance his career.

This guy may very well be a good coach, but I see 10 years in one spot and I'd be worried about his drive to coach at the highest levels and his ability to adapt to an entirely new recruiting game.

Maybe he had family reasons.  Maybe he liked the job security that success brings.  Maybe he's waiting for the right personal/professional situation.  You have no idea what his reasons are.  There's not a hell of a lot of difference between the upper level of D-III and the PL. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on October 27, 2017, 01:40:00 pm
hmmm, I guess I would have to disagree with your above statement....I think there would be more than a few successful D3 HC's that made successful careers after the jump to a higher-level.

off the top of my head:

Jim Tressel
Brian Kelly

Again, without doing any research those two come to mind as fairly decent coaches.  IDK, you?

Kelly is a good example. A dozen years at Grand Valley State.

No so sure about Tressel, I think all his time at YSU was I-AA, but for a year or two maybe.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 27, 2017, 01:56:41 pm
Kelly is a good example. A dozen years at Grand Valley State.

No so sure about Tressel, I think all his time at YSU was I-AA, but for a year or two maybe.

Chuck Priore   

6 yrs. DIII Trinity   
71-60 at Stony Brook.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 27, 2017, 01:59:23 pm
hmmm, I guess I would have to disagree with your above statement....I think there would be more than a few successful D3 HC's that made successful careers after the jump to a higher-level.

off the top of my head:

Jim Tressel
Brian Kelly

Again, without doing any research those two come to mind as fairly decent coaches.  IDK, you?


Of course there's going to be exceptions, and what I said was clearly a generalization. We're allowed to disagree too, so I'm not going to change my stance on it. I would prefer to take my chances on a JM/DC type guy. Young coach looking to move up the ranks.

But if you tell me we're getting the next Kelly, then sign me up.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 27, 2017, 02:02:29 pm
Maybe he had family reasons.  Maybe he liked the job security that success brings.  Maybe he's waiting for the right personal/professional situation.  You have no idea what his reasons are.  There's not a hell of a lot of difference between the upper level of D-III and the PL. 

I have no idea what his reasons are but that doesn't change my overall point. Generally speaking I'd prefer the type of guy I mentioned above. However, I could change my opinion with the right person and under the right circumstances.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: toby on October 27, 2017, 02:22:28 pm
Of course, everyone is allowed their viewpoint on a potential hire in the bronx. (not even sure there will be a job rec this year).  Healthy dialogue is better than what has been posted in the past.

I would agree with the earlier point that Glenn, and his family, probably feel very comfortable living in the upper midwest and at St. Thomas.   My point, the guy is a huge success and has built and led a program. He has only lost 16 games in now 11 seasons as a head-coach.  I posted the video perhaps to show the difference in demeanor compared to perhaps our current HC.  The guy exudes confidence and quoted that they have only dressed the same travel team 3 times over the course of 10 years - remarkable in the fact that he might know how to get the most out of his entire squad, week in and week out.

Holy Cross Fans have already listed him as a possible target. 

He has significant roots back here and there might be a draw to move up the ranks and take the challenge at the PL or higher-level.  By the way, he is only 43.  Not 53. So, I would suggest he is still youthful.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on October 27, 2017, 02:34:25 pm
Of course, everyone is allowed their viewpoint on a potential hire in the bronx. (not even sure there will be a job rec this year).  Healthy dialogue is better than what has been posted in the past.

I would agree with the earlier point that Glenn, and his family, probably feel very comfortable living in the upper midwest and at St. Thomas.   My point, the guy is a huge success and has built and led a program. He has only lost 16 games in now 11 seasons as a head-coach.  I posted the video perhaps to show the difference in demeanor compared to perhaps our current HC.  The guy exudes confidence and quoted that they have only dressed the same travel team 3 times over the course of 10 years - remarkable in the fact that he might know how to get the most out of his entire squad, week in and week out.

Holy Cross Fans have already listed him as a possible target. 

He has significant roots back here and there might be a draw to move up the ranks and take the challenge at the PL or higher-level.  By the way, he is only 43.  Not 53. So, I would suggest he is still youthful.



Sounds like you know a bit about him. Has be been targeted in the past, or interviewed maybe?

My only hope is that should we be looking for a coach this year, or when we do look for one in the future, that we do it the right way. We consider every possibility and we conduct an actual search. We're 0-2 now (in the past 10 years) in promoting a coordinator/coach from within and we've had a lot of success in finding a coach through a search. Masella had his down years, but he did win the same amount of PL titles as JM and DC.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 28, 2017, 04:12:25 am
Kaup It's 200 am on your local college campus. Guess what time it is where I am. You know you want to guess Inspector Clouseau. Clearly you didn't attend the law school or maybe you did and now you're a big time flunky New Jersey lawyer which would explain how you draw conclusions.

The answer is that it's 400 pm in Kuala Lumpur and its time to fire Pansy Andy. When I return home to London, also where no one has heard of Fordham, it will still be time to fire this crappy coach.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on October 28, 2017, 04:15:39 am
Oh and Inspector Clouseau, Kuala Lumpur is in Malaysia - and London is in the United Kingdom. I kind of thought you might need a geography lesson after that quality education you received.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on October 28, 2017, 08:53:38 am
When I return home to London,


That would explain the teeth...


Title: Does this seal Coach Breiner's Fate?
Post by: charlietags on November 04, 2017, 06:29:59 pm
Watching this game was painful.  The only solace was was Chase breaking the Patriot League Record. I Look at our defense and just don't see us see us being competitive.  Holy Cross was a team that we should have beat. And you all saw what happened. Pathetic.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on November 04, 2017, 06:44:42 pm
Watching this game was painful.  The only solace was was Chase breaking the Patriot League Record. I Look at our defense and just don't see us see us being competitive.  Holy Cross was a team that we should have beat. And you all saw what happened. Pathetic.

Charlie, I merged  your thread with this thread b/c we really don't need another thread on what is basically the same subject.

I think this seals Breiner's fate. Not sure I would say that HC was a team we should have beaten though.

The only thing I think might save Breiner is that the team dealt with a lot of injuries to key guys almost all season. I don't think that should be enough to save him, but others whose opinions matter more might.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ramrookie21 on November 04, 2017, 07:46:59 pm
I certainly understand dealing with injuries and that injuries to key  players hurt the O and the D but I would of expected the HC to be able to make adjustments and be competitive. We have been competitive against poor offensive teams (Georgetown, Lafayette and Lehigh) but have looked awful against any quality programs. AB was given an experienced top 25 team with a very strong coaching staff and in a year you lose 9 coaches and have injuries to a lot of key players? At the end of the day the HC is responsible for the strength and conditioning program, the hiring of additional coaches and the resulting poor play of a talented team. It is not like this team is a rebuild or is having to play a lot of freshmen. The question that needs to be asked is why did this team underperform this year with so much returning talent?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 2ram on November 04, 2017, 08:10:34 pm
I certainly understand dealing with injuries and that injuries to key  players hurt the O and the D but I would of expected the HC to be able to make adjustments and be competitive. We have been competitive against poor offensive teams (Georgetown, Lafayette and Lehigh) but have looked awful against any quality programs. AB was given an experienced top 25 team with a very strong coaching staff and in a year you lose 9 coaches and have injuries to a lot of key players? At the end of the day the HC is responsible for the strength and conditioning program, the hiring of additional coaches and the resulting poor play of a talented team. It is not like this team is a rebuild or is having to play a lot of freshmen. The question that needs to be asked is why did this team underperform this year with so much returning talent?

i don't completely disagree that this lies largely upon the coaching staff.

but you submit this isn't a rebuilding year, yet we have 9 new coaches (your assertion, have not checked this) a slew of injuries and are playing a lot of underclassmen. doesn't it at some point, maybe not day 1, become a rebuilding year?

still no real excuse imo to go from 8-3 to 3-??? this season may rank as fordham's most disappointing in the modern era.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Rob Smith on November 04, 2017, 08:56:25 pm
yet we have 9 new coaches (your assertion, have not checked this)

Assuming this is true (havenít checked the math either) it might be the most damning aspect of ABís tenure. All coaching staffs have turnover but that amount is unheard of.  According to the team roster we have 16 coaches including S&C.  I know if my work group had a similar amount of turnover in the same window of time my bosses would likely make me #10.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ramrookie21 on November 04, 2017, 10:05:11 pm
I am sure about the changes to the coaching staff as that has been reported by many other posters. Barboza, Galt, Guynes, Bowes, Orlovsky, Jackson, Ostrow, Smith and Pribble are all new staff additions this year. Perkins was added in August of 2016. My earlier point about AB was that he was given an experienced, talented football team. Only had one opening on the O line with everyone else returning. A few freshmen have played due to injuries (Davis) or just being better (Carter, Cunningham) but this is a veteran team that has under performed. HC is responsible for HIS coaching staff, his strength and conditioning off season program, as well as the play calling AND defensive schemes. I understand injuries but find it a bit odd that Anderson and Chase got hurt this year (as seniors) when they played virtually every game throughout their Fordham careers. Being a HC requires attention to detail and the small stuff (poor game starts and penalties) as well as the play calling and defensive schemes. It appears more and more that AB is not ready to be a head coach, not saying he wonít be a really good future HC but not now.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on November 04, 2017, 11:15:33 pm
Any chance al bagnoli comes uptown ?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: dajr on November 05, 2017, 09:08:34 am
Regarding Bagnoli, when Columbia decided they were going to try to end the debacle, they went out and hired an AD who was in charge of an excellent athletic program;Peter Pilling from Villanova. THey put their money
where their mouth was. He in turn, tried to lure Bagnoli out of a position he was not thrilled with. Bagnoli
told the Admin what he needed in financial terms to recruit,bring in coaches, facilities,etc and basically said,"This is what we need to get program stabilized, give it to me, I'm onboard, if not , we are spinning our wheels." They complied. Also got a nice facility to train because Bill Campbell is a great guy who wanted to make a contribution and did it. THey also got a bubble to train outside in winter. So overall it took a lot of investment and buying in. There are some great coaches out there, Rams can be excellent in the FCS, believe need right people at top. HAve to make that financial commitment. Seen the facilities argument frequently on board, but again Rams have been able to hit top ten recently , high as 6 with excellent talent and coaching.The right staff and NYC can be a big draw if coordinated properly.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on November 05, 2017, 09:24:21 am
dajr, Fordham mailed in this hire. Period. The principles that have made us a pretty good department since Roach got here were abandoned.  Get back to fundamentals, do a real coaching search with the proper people doing the vetting. And never take the quick, easy lazy route again. There is work to be done to get back up to speed, but right coach can do it quickly in my view. These guys in the admin. need to get to work.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on November 05, 2017, 12:07:43 pm
When I return home to London, also where no one has heard of Fordham....

Once again, a troll and an uninformed one at that.  My biggest client in London has heard of Fordham.  Just knew that it's a Catholic school in NY, doesn't have the same cache as BC or GT, but he's heard of it.

I don't know who you hang out with, but they don't seem to be a very informed bunch.  Perhaps you need to expand your circle a bit?  Also, perhaps you can talk about Fordham a little bit to educate them on Fordham?  Hint: A school shouldn't be defined by its sports programs, so there's no need to lead with the subject.

I should add one thing:  If you act out in the real world like you do here, it might be better to not tell people that you went to Fordham.  That's assuming you actually went to Fordham.  Did you?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on November 05, 2017, 12:44:20 pm
DamnRam, Are you really this much of a self righteous and dopey puss in real life? I think the coach should be tossed out on his ass because he completely sucks, and somehow you equate this to my career and how I do not represent Fordham well. You don't like what I have to say, but I guarantee that it's far more valid than your connecting point A with point 15 you incongruent fool. Did you go to law school with Fucop?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on November 05, 2017, 01:55:30 pm
DamnRam, Are you really this much of a self righteous and dopey puss in real life? I think the coach should be tossed out on his ass because he completely sucks, and somehow you equate this to my career and how I do not represent Fordham well. You don't like what I have to say, but I guarantee that it's far more valid than your connecting point A with point 15 you incongruent fool. Did you go to law school with Fucop?

I have no problem with you saying the coach should be fired.  You may or may not be right on this matter of AB and whether he should survive.  Truth is I don't know or care about AB one way or the other. 

I DO have a problem with you saying the coach should be fired every single chance you get, and in a very unfair and overly personal manner.  In this thread alone it was after the third game of the season., when he lost to a good Army team, won the game he should have, and lost to one of the top FCS teams (EWS).  If I cared enough I could look back in other threads as well but I wouldn't be surprised if it was even before the first game.  You seem like a guy who wants the issue regardless of the reality.

However, the way you have made your point is so repeatedly personal and unprofessional that you undermine your own message.  People who do this come across as having a personal axe to grind that makes people like me question your impartiality.  By doing it is YOU who ends up looking foolish and it makes me wonder if YOU are perhaps a bit "off" in your real life.  And as if to emphasize that point, you state things that are at the very least misleading ("nobody has ever heard of Fordham") when in fact my experiences have been very different.  Only a fool keeps going when so directly contradicted.  I obviously struck a nerve.  Good, that was my intention.  There is a cost to being a troll.

I have no idea who "Fucop" is.  I did not attend law school.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Kaup on November 05, 2017, 07:20:25 pm
DamnRam, Are you really this much of a self righteous and dopey puss in real life?
Pot: Hello, Kettle?  You're black.
I think the coach should be tossed out on his ass because he completely sucks,
Insightful remark from a guy who has no idea what takes place at practice, in the locker room, or on the sidelines.  A guy who likely never coached or even played a team sport, and a guy who perhaps never succeeded at anything in life.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on November 05, 2017, 07:25:36 pm
DamnRam, Are you really this much of a self righteous and dopey puss in real life? I think the coach should be tossed out on his ass because he completely sucks, and somehow you equate this to my career and how I do not represent Fordham well. You don't like what I have to say, but I guarantee that it's far more valid than your connecting point A with point 15 you incongruent fool. Did you go to law school with Fucop?

What happened to cutting out the name calling and being respectful?

Ban this dope.

I'll accept a ban or whatever but I think you're a douchebag.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on November 08, 2017, 02:47:57 am
You guys are a bore.

How quickly after the last game do you think that Breiner will be asked to coach the midget leagues?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on November 08, 2017, 09:25:04 am
Do you think the final game has any bearing on whether or not he returns?
 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on November 08, 2017, 10:05:34 am
Do you think the final game has any bearing on whether or not he returns?
 

There are 9 Yes Men, North-South Head Nodders that have voted on this thread.  I am sure that they are all buddies with Jeff Jerry Jones Gray and the BOT.

AB will be back for his 3rd season.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ramrookie21 on November 08, 2017, 02:18:45 pm
There are 9 Yes Men, North-South Head Nodders that have voted on this thread.  I am sure that they are all buddies with Jeff Jerry Jones Gray and the BOT.

AB will be back for his 3rd season.


I am not sure about the first part of your post Ram-spouse but why do you think AB should be allowed to return to be the head coach at Fordham? I know why I think Fordham should find another coach for the future if the program and will gladly explain my reasoning if requested.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Rob Smith on November 08, 2017, 02:36:12 pm
I know why I think Fordham should find another coach for the future if the program and will gladly explain my reasoning if requested.

Ok. Shoot.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Touchdown17 on November 10, 2017, 10:58:44 am
I did not attend annual Fordham Football Dinner earlier this week but one of my former teammates did.  He got the  impression AB would hold onto his job. More of the feeling within the room and small talk with others close to the program --he would get another year to turn this around.  Of course you would expect AD Roach hold his cards close to the vest...  but the alumni and friends of the program at the dinner weren't whispering behind the scenes /calling for AB to let go.    We'll see.           


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 10, 2017, 11:15:50 am
I concur.   I think ABs no-search hiring went all the way to the top.  I think AB is going to have the opportunity to dig out, mostly to save face with the suits (you know who you are) who thought it was such a terrific idea.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on November 10, 2017, 01:26:27 pm
I concur.   I think ABs no-search hiring went all the way to the top.  I think AB is going to have the opportunity to dig out, mostly to save face with the suits (you know who you are) who thought it was such a terrific idea.

AB will 100% get a third year. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: RamAlum13 on November 10, 2017, 01:51:15 pm
Agree - if it's going south mid season and starts like this year though - I could see him getting clipped halfway through.

At least that would happen at most schools - I'm not actually sure if Fordham has ever fired someone mid season (source - i was on the masella 1-10 team pre moorhead)


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ramrookie21 on November 11, 2017, 02:17:03 am
Ok. Shoot.

IMO and this is just my opinion,

1) I think losing nine staff in one year and a total of 11 in two years indicates there is a coaching/ managing problem. We all clearly saw the results this year of not having a cohesive unified staff that had any knowledge of the players, their strengths and/ or weaknesses and potential. As a result there were multiple starting line ups every game, penalties due to players not being prepared/disciplined, blown defensive schemes and offensive mishaps.

2) Injuries were crazy this year...why? Please donít tell me it was just a bad year or coincidence. This was a veteran team that had experienced some injuries in the past but why did the ďkeyĒ players (juniors and seniors) get hurt this year. What was different this year compared to past years? What was the off season conditioning? Was it different this year and why was it different?

3) AB inherited a talented veteran team that had a few openings and weaknesses but this WAS NOT a team that needed to rebuild with young talent. As everyone has pointed out, this team went 8-3 last year and will probably end up 3-8 this year (I am hoping for 4-7) but that was not the expectation.  With a weak PL football conference this year, Fordham should of dominated with all the returning talent but we have not dominated and in several games we looked unprepared and played very poorly getting completely embarrassed by a few teams.

4) At the end of the day, the responsibility and accountability for this team lies with the HC, period. This is why he was chosen to be the head coach and lead this team. I believe AB is a good person and maybe a good future HC but right now, he is not ready to be the FORDHAM football HC. His decision making, game planning and execution have been a topic of conversation on this board for every game this season, even in the games we won (except Lehigh, good solid win)

Just my thoughts! I was told when I became a HC that the buck starts and stops with me. No excuses, no blaming others or situations , find a way to compete and win because that is what you are getting paid to do.  If you cannot, we will find someone else that can. I am not trying to be harsh but realistic and practical, this is big business, even at Fordham, given the annual football budget and the recent success of the program.  I wasnít necessarily expecting to go 9-2 or 10-1 (would of been nice) this year but 3-8 or 4-7 is unacceptable. Next year will be a rebuilding season for sure with the loss of several key players (Edmonds, Anderson, Manny)  so how do we expect AB to do next year? Does he or his staff have any experience building a program? From reading the coaching bios, I would suggest no.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on November 11, 2017, 09:17:13 am
How many more games does Breiner have left in in at Fordham?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on November 11, 2017, 09:20:57 am
I did not attend annual Fordham Football Dinner earlier this week but one of my former teammates did.  He got the  impression AB would hold onto his job. More of the feeling within the room and small talk with others close to the program --he would get another year to turn this around.  Of course you would expect AD Roach hold his cards close to the vest...  but the alumni and friends of the program at the dinner weren't whispering behind the scenes /calling for AB to let go.    We'll see.          

I concur.   I think ABs no-search hiring went all the way to the top.  I think AB is going to have the opportunity to dig out, mostly to save face with the suits (you know who you are) who thought it was such a terrific idea.

"Another year to turn this around"? "The opportunity to dig out"?

Not rare concepts, but not usually ones used to refer to situations that the coach created himself. If he needs to turn things around, it is b/c he turned them the wrong way given that he inherited a Top 25 program. If he is digging out, it is b/c he buried himself.

He should not be afforded such luxuries, but my gut tells me he will.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on November 11, 2017, 11:48:04 am
"Another year to turn this around"? "The opportunity to dig out"?

Not rare concepts, but not usually ones used to refer to situations that the coach created himself. If he needs to turn things around, it is b/c he turned them the wrong way given that he inherited a Top 25 program. If he is digging out, it is b/c he buried himself.

He should not be afforded such luxuries, but my gut tells me he will.

Please stop with the " he inherited a top 25 program" . Each year is a brand new season and is different. Different players , chemistry is different , schedule is different. Just because you were once in the top 25 doesn't mean you have a god given right to remain there. I'm sorry but firing a coach after 2 years is insane, especially when you schedule army and eastern Washington to open the season. Clawson was like 3-19 in his first 2 seasons and had the luxury of playing at peters , Fairfield, cw post , new haven ,Columbia ooc.. clawson NEVER beat lehigh... give AB another year ..


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: SIram on November 11, 2017, 12:14:55 pm
I don't want to give AB another shot

Two years in and with a talented offensive team both years we go from a good team to a bad one this year

To me there are two really damning things:

The terrible defense - our defense was not very good with JM but the deficiencies were hidden somewhat with the terrific offensive production and the ability to make up for poor play by outscoring the other team, we won but there was an imbalance.  It is clear that the imbalance and poor play has not been addressed and in fact it has gotten worse. After sitting at JM's side and then two years as HC what evidence do we have that AB will be able to improve the defense?

The decline in the offense - even with the talent we have and the great system JM left behind, our offense has declined this year. True Chase was hurt and Anderson has been hurt or suspended, maybe both, but I expected more. Offense was where AB excelled, if he is going backwards here and can no longer rely on outscoring the opposition we are in trouble.

It is not just the two years as HC that I am looking at, it the whole arc of AB's time at Fordham, things are declining, we have seen enough, time for a change


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on November 11, 2017, 12:22:22 pm
How many more games does Breiner have left in in at Fordham?

He will be given another year, in my opinion.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on November 11, 2017, 12:26:38 pm
I'm sorry but firing a coach after 2 years is insane, 

So it was "insane" to fire Ed Foley?

What's needed is an end of year review. Interview with the coach and AD and admins and see if all are comfortable with the direction of program.  Who knows, maybe he has a really good game plan and some transfers, recruits that could be promising. Or perhaps, this type of vetting after two years will reveal he is definitely not the right guy. Knee jerks not needed. That's likely what got us here in the first place.

The overwhelming majority of the posters here who are in the know, indicate that this was a hire that was taken out of Roach's hands.  If in fact this hire was not really his, then Roach deserves to do the vetting here now, and make the call. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on November 11, 2017, 12:49:47 pm
So it was "insane" to fire Ed Foley?

What's needed is an end of year review. Interview with the coach and AD and admins and see if all are comfortable with the direction of program.  Who knows, maybe he has a really good game plan and some transfers, recruits that could be promising. Or perhaps, this type of vetting after two years will reveal he is definitely not the right guy. Knee jerks not needed. That's likely what got us here in the first place.

The overwhelming majority of the posters here who are in the know, indicate that this was a hire that was taken out of Roach's hands.  If in fact this hire was not really his, then Roach deserves to do the vetting here now, and make the call. 

Yes I think ed foley should have been given another year.. clawson left at the right time no more eakin, Watson or Dudley . No more kornegay no more McGrath .. loads of talent Gone.. foley was building back and never had a chance .. masella won a pl championship shortly after .. I think constant turnover is bad .. football is not a year to year sport. It's about recruiting and building a program not firing a coach because he has 1 bad year


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 11, 2017, 01:21:53 pm
"Another year to turn this around"? "The opportunity to dig out"?

Not rare concepts, but not usually ones used to refer to situations that the coach created himself. If he needs to turn things around, it is b/c he turned them the wrong way given that he inherited a Top 25 program. If he is digging out, it is b/c he buried himself.

He should not be afforded such luxuries, but my gut tells me he will.

I agree. I was stating what I believe will transpire.  The decision will not be made for a football reason, just as the hiring wasnít made for a football reason.

No one is going to want to own firing him after the way he was hired.   And this if Fordham. Who gets fired after one bad year?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on November 11, 2017, 01:34:42 pm
Yes I think ed foley should have been given another year.. clawson left at the right time no more eakin, Watson or Dudley . No more kornegay no more McGrath .. loads of talent Gone.. foley was building back and never had a chance .. masella won a pl championship shortly after .. I think constant turnover is bad .. football is not a year to year sport. It's about recruiting and building a program not firing a coach because he has 1 bad year

As much as it shocks me to say this...I completely agree with Madram's post (in this one instance).  :o  :o  :o


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on November 11, 2017, 02:35:12 pm
Fucop/Gladram, Stop your revisionist history. Andy Winer took a highly competitive FCS program that was still on the upswing when JM left and drove it right into the ground. I'm not 100% certain that AB could even outcoach the Don Bosco or Fordham Preps. He is a terrible coach, and a complete cancer in the locker room. Aren't you two tired of losing to third rate Patriot League programs under this guy's tutelage? He's done, please stop.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 11, 2017, 03:16:56 pm
Fucop/Gladram, Stop your revisionist history. Andy Winer took a highly competitive FCS program that was still on the upswing when JM left and drove it right into the ground. I'm not 100% certain that AB could even outcoach the Don Bosco or Fordham Preps. He is a terrible coach, and a complete cancer in the locker room. Aren't you two tired of losing to third rate Patriot League programs under this guy's tutelage? He's done, please stop.

The program was not on the upswing. In fact it had plateaued at best.  The cracks in the foundation were obvious if you were paying attention.  JM did a terrific job and was smart enough to move along when he could.

My issue with AB has little to do with the wins and losses.  Iím more concerned with his trying to be Moorhead Lite...  He ignored the defensive side of the ball, which is ridiculous.  I donít believe he had the confidence in himself to bring in strong coordinators.  Iím not impressed with the recruiting and it seems he has issues with team discipline.  Thatís an awful lot to have to address if he keeps his job.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ramrookie21 on November 11, 2017, 03:44:32 pm
I agree with AOC that wins and losses are not the biggest/only issue with this years team. It is debatable whether this team had plateaued given the fact that most of the key offensive players weee returning and a coach that had been an assistant under JM should of been able to continue most of the offensive success. So what happened? And shouldnít the HC be held accountable for the results? I do not attack AB personally as I think that is immature and doesnít address the central issue which is AB an effective coach?

As far as the recruiting aspect, the freshmen and some of the sophomores have not played because the team has a lot of veterans and the coaches,especially the bea coaches that were not part of the recruiting circuit, have only focused on who they were told and the experienced players. I think it is inappropriate to assume that the recruits cannot play or donít look good if they were not even given an opportunity. Remember that many of the coaches that left were recruiting players based on what they thought was needed but they are no longer here. Injuries forced some freshmen to get looks but it is very hard for freshmen and some of the sophomores to earn playing time if the coaches donít know or believe they can handle college football when they donít know theses players. I am sure the new coaches looked at last years film and made decisions based on what they saw. FYI, most of the new coaches weee even hired for spring practice as they started in July when most players reported. Cannot emphasize enough the importance of a cohesive coaching unit that all are on the same page.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Kaup on November 11, 2017, 04:35:51 pm
The program was not on the upswing. In fact it had plateaued at best.  The cracks in the foundation were obvious if you were paying attention.  JM did a terrific job and was smart enough to move along when he could.

My issue with AB has little to do with the wins and losses.  Iím more concerned with his trying to be Moorhead Lite...  He ignored the defensive side of the ball, which is ridiculous.  I donít believe he had the confidence in himself to bring in strong coordinators.  Iím not impressed with the recruiting and it seems he has issues with team discipline.  Thatís an awful lot to have to address if he keeps his job.
Couldn't agree more.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on November 11, 2017, 04:45:41 pm
Fucop/Gladram, Stop your revisionist history. Andy Winer took a highly competitive FCS program that was still on the upswing when JM left and drove it right into the ground. I'm not 100% certain that AB could even outcoach the Don Bosco or Fordham Preps. He is a terrible coach, and a complete cancer in the locker room. Aren't you two tired of losing to third rate Patriot League programs under this guy's tutelage? He's done, please stop.

You have proved yourself over and over to be a malicious troll who has a personal grudge against Coach Breiner. Your opinions on this subject are totally worthless. The only cancer around here is you. Get lost.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 11, 2017, 05:53:40 pm
I agree with AOC that wins and losses are not the biggest/only issue with this years team. It is debatable whether this team had plateaued given the fact that most of the key offensive players weee returning and a coach that had been an assistant under JM should of been able to continue most of the offensive success. So what happened? And shouldnít the HC be held accountable for the results? I do not attack AB personally as I think that is immature and doesnít address the central issue which is AB an effective coach?

As far as the recruiting aspect, the freshmen and some of the sophomores have not played because the team has a lot of veterans and the coaches,especially the bea coaches that were not part of the recruiting circuit, have only focused on who they were told and the experienced players. I think it is inappropriate to assume that the recruits cannot play or donít look good if they were not even given an opportunity. Remember that many of the coaches that left were recruiting players based on what they thought was needed but they are no longer here. Injuries forced some freshmen to get looks but it is very hard for freshmen and some of the sophomores to earn playing time if the coaches donít know or believe they can handle college football when they donít know theses players. I am sure the new coaches looked at last years film and made decisions based on what they saw. FYI, most of the new coaches weee even hired for spring practice as they started in July when most players reported. Cannot emphasize enough the importance of a cohesive coaching unit that all are on the same page.

The "experienced" players stunk the place out, especially in the early going.  The defense has no clue against the pass.  We have a small defensive line.  If we had bigger players they'd see time.  The cubbard is bare.   If younger guys aren't getting time, it's for a reason.  This is a no red shirt league.  If a guy is on scholarship, he needs to be able to contribute.  If he can't, why did he get a scholarship?

High turnover on the coaching staff is a fact of life on this level and more so when there is a new HC.  This team is a mess on the field and in the coach's office.  Again, there is plenty of blame to go around, all the way up the line to whomever gave the OK for the brain fart not to do a search.  I could be wrong but I think AB gets another year so no one takes a hit on this. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ramrookie21 on November 11, 2017, 06:43:55 pm
I agree with most of your points AOC but disagree with the turnover statement you made.  Turning over 9coaches in one year is NOT commonplace when the HC has been promoted from within the program...that is simply not the case at the DIVISION 1 level.  If AB had come from outside the Fordham program and brought in his own guys, that might be the case but that is NOT the case this year.

You are right, the returning veterans didnít play well to start the season but whose fault is that??. And since the preseason was spent working with the experienced guys and not the underclassmen and the experienced guys ďstunkĒ as you put it, you would of been pleased with throwing the inexperienced freshmen in the mix? At the beginning of the season, we all thought this would be a good team competing for a PL title but they are not.

As far as the recruiting goes, Fordham recruited the players they wanted and most of that recruiting was led by AB so the ďblameĒ for not having recruited the right players lies with him.  Knowing several of the CT recruits, most, if not all, had other options for schools to attend besides/ in addition to Fordham. Fordham is NOT a FBS school for a reason and some of the players turned down FBS offers to come to Fordham for various reasons. At the end of the day, FORDHAM recruited these players because they thought they filled a need Fordham has and I donít believe FORDHAM missed the boat on this recruiting class BUT if they did, even more of a reason, AB should not continue to be HC.

in the end you are probably right that he will return next year to get another shot at fixing this program. I, like many other posters, am not sure he deserves it. (which has nothing to do with if it gets the chance to return)


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 11, 2017, 07:39:39 pm
Yes I think ed foley should have been given another year.. clawson left at the right time no more eakin, Watson or Dudley . No more kornegay no more McGrath .. loads of talent Gone.. foley was building back and never had a chance .. masella won a pl championship shortly after .. I think constant turnover is bad .. football is not a year to year sport. It's about recruiting and building a program not firing a coach because he has 1 bad year

Foley was highly organized and a good recruiter. Not a great X and O guy nor motivator, IMO. I don't think he would have turned it around in a year 3.   No one was happy.  Those situations seldom get turned around.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on November 13, 2017, 09:13:53 am
As much as it shocks me to say this...I completely agree with Madram's post (in this one instance).  :o  :o  :o

I was on those teams and I was on the field during his last game against Albany. A change was completely warranted. The team was so far lost, we may have ended up in Never-Never Land. It wasn't Foley as much as it was the assistants he brought in. We had players walk off that day. Middle of the game. Bolted. Seniors getting in the coaches faces etc. It was bad. I'd never seen anything like it before and haven't since then.

I'm happy Foley has found success post Fordham. He was a great guy but it just didn't work out.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on November 13, 2017, 12:49:39 pm
I was on those teams and I was on the field during his last game against Albany. A change was completely warranted. The team was so far lost, we may have ended up in Never-Never Land. It wasn't Foley as much as it was the assistants he brought in. We had players walk off that day. Middle of the game. Bolted. Seniors getting in the coaches faces etc. It was bad. I'd never seen anything like it before and haven't since then.

I'm happy Foley has found success post Fordham. He was a great guy but it just didn't work out.

So there you have it......NYRam07 giving his "inside the ropes" facts of what went on.  I 100% concur with him from what I have heard also. I am sure that Foley was/is a great guy, but he needed to be chopped there, just like AB needs to be chopped this year.  Of course this leads me to my post.....this is why you leave decisions and directions out of the hands of non sports, non football guys like FuCop69.  Completely missing the mark like normal.  It is sad that FuCop69 has anyone's ear and can express his "knowledgable" opinions about Fordham sports


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on November 13, 2017, 12:55:27 pm
89% of Ram Fans want AB gone on this thread alone.....


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 13, 2017, 02:13:23 pm
89% of Ram Fans want AB gone on this thread alone.....

Point being?  What do the desires of the fans have to do with anything?

Fans for the most part don't know if the ball is filled with air or concrete.  I hope to god the fans will not play a part in the decision one way or the other. 

They also, by and large don't support the program financially.  I'm also guilty as charged, at this point.  That's another topic...  If you don't have any skin in the game and don't know what you're talking about anyway, pipe down and let the Gods of JCF do what they're going to do.  If he stays that's probably not great, if he goes, it's probably not a lot better.  AB isn't the primary problem.  The buffoons who put him in the job with no search are.  They obviously haven't learned a thing and it's only a matter of time before they screw something else up.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on November 13, 2017, 02:30:40 pm
89% of Ram Fans want AB gone on this thread alone.....

Which means absolutely nothing. Dave Roach has said that he does not read these forums. And with clowns like you and HKRam spewing malicious or nonsensical ideas (tailgating on Edwards Parade  ::) ) he is wise not to. Coach Breiner will most likely be given another year, but if he is let go, it certainly won't be because many posters on these boards want it.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on November 13, 2017, 03:01:32 pm
Which means absolutely nothing. Dave Roach has said that he does not read these forums. And with clowns like you and HKRam spewing malicious or nonsensical ideas (tailgating on Edwards Parade  ::) ) he is wise not to. Coach Breiner will most likely be given another year, but if he is let go, it certainly won't be because many posters on these boards want it.

I disagree.  and how is tailgating on Edwards Parade malicious or nonsensical?  You make it out like Eddie's is Hallowed Ground or some type of Civil war soldier burial ground.  Swing and a miss by you again.....Your batting average is embarrassing.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 13, 2017, 03:09:22 pm
I disagree.  and how is tailgating on Edwards Parade malicious or nonsensical?  You make it out like Eddie's is Hallowed Ground or some type of Civil war soldier burial ground.  Swing and a miss by you again.....Your batting average is embarrassing.

Why do you need tailgating on EP?  It's the center of campus and one of the last open parcels at Rose Hill.  You keep telling us what big-time programs do.  What programs bring cars onto the cAmpus quad for tailgating?  Help us here...

Of all the things Fordham needs to do to upgrade football and athltics in general, this is about #127.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on November 13, 2017, 03:10:13 pm
I disagree.  and how is tailgating on Edwards Parade malicious or nonsensical?  You make it out like Eddie's is Hallowed Ground or some type of Civil war soldier burial ground.  Swing and a miss by you again.....Your batting average is embarrassing.

Actually, he's dead-on regarding Edward's Parade.  The fact that you have been proposing this idea to lots of people over the years should have already tipped you off to this fact.  You're the one who's way off, especially with your extremist rhetoric, again.  Shows you just aren't thinking this through.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on November 13, 2017, 03:10:33 pm
Point being?  What do the desires of the fans have to do with anything?

Fans for the most part don't know if the ball is filled with air or concrete. 


Coach, I agree with your statement.  Yes there are those type of people who don't know your air or concrete question like a few on this board.  I am just stating facts about this thread.  I am a positive thinking person and truly believe that normally similar thoughts which lie within the "masses" are also the same thoughts that lie within the decision makers.  We must get this right and do a "real search" and get us back on the road in the right direction.  


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on November 13, 2017, 03:14:25 pm
Actually, he's dead-on regarding Edward's Parade.  The fact that you have been proposing this idea to lots of people over the years should have already tipped you off to this fact.  You're the one who's way off, especially with your extremist rhetoric, again.  Shows you just aren't thinking this through.



The road is right there.  You make it out like there are going to be thousands of cars there.  I am saying 25-50 spaces and you have to "pay" to play.....All proceeds go to the football team.  Same with the reserved spots in Lot A that go for peanuts right now.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 13, 2017, 03:15:48 pm
Coach, I agree with your statement.  Yes there are those type of people who don't know your air or concrete question like a few on this board.  I am just stating facts about this thread.  I am a positive thinking person and truly believe that normally similar thoughts which lie within the "masses" are also the same thoughts that lie within the decision makers.  We must get this right and do a "real search" and get us back on the road in the right direction.  

Fordham doesn't fire coaches after 1 bad season. I'd be shocked. In fact, Fordham has been known to give contract extensions after really bad showings.  


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on November 13, 2017, 03:17:48 pm
Fordham doesn't fire coaches after 1 bad season. I'd be shocked. In fact, Fordham has been know to give contract extensions after really bad showings.  

I can't disagree with you.  Sad, but true.  I am holding out hope.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on November 13, 2017, 03:21:56 pm
I disagree.  and how is tailgating on Edwards Parade malicious or nonsensical?  You make it out like Eddie's is Hallowed Ground or some type of Civil war soldier burial ground.  Swing and a miss by you again.....Your batting average is embarrassing.

It will never happen. When I was at FU we used Eddie's as our home soccer field, yet we were not even allowed to practice on it. Some most definitely consider it hollowed ground.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 13, 2017, 03:22:05 pm
Coach, I agree with your statement.  Yes there are those type of people who don't know your air or concrete question like a few on this board.  I am just stating facts about this thread.  I am a positive thinking person and truly believe that normally similar thoughts which lie within the "masses" are also the same thoughts that lie within the decision makers.  We must get this right and do a "real search" and get us back on the road in the right direction.  

I don't think AB is going anywhere.  Here is what should happen and what successful programs would do...

Roach should bring AB in for a major "come to Jesus meeting". He should tell him he needs to unload the coordinators, the special teams coach and the o-line coach and do a serious search and Roach is going to "help" him do that search.  He needs to bring in some older guys who will get the attention of the players and who have been around the block.  He also needs to bring in a real recruiting coordinator.  IMO that's the best way to improve the program given our realities.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on November 13, 2017, 03:23:10 pm
The road is right there.  You make it out like there are going to be thousands of cars there.  I am saying 25-50 spaces and you have to "pay" to play.....All proceeds go to the football team.  Same with the reserved spots in Lot A that go for peanuts right now.

Confining my comments only to talk of tailgating on EP.

You still don't get it.  Instead of repeating your idea over and over, start by looking at this from their perspective.  Therein lies the answer young Paduan learner.  Hint: Ace just gave you a second breadcrumb.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on November 13, 2017, 03:31:10 pm
I disagree.  and how is tailgating on Edwards Parade malicious or nonsensical?  You make it out like Eddie's is Hallowed Ground or some type of Civil war soldier burial ground.  Swing and a miss by you again.....Your batting average is embarrassing.

I'll take my batting average over yours any day of the week, And for your information, "Eddie" is a first name. "Edwards" is a surname, as in Major General Clarence Ransom Edwards, commanding the 26th Yankee Division in the First World War, and professor of Military Science and Tactics at Rose Hill. For many, especially ROTC alumni, it is hallowed ground. You might try learning a little history and showing a little respect, Ram-Louse.

https://www.goarmy.com/rotc/schools/fordham-university/history.html (https://www.goarmy.com/rotc/schools/fordham-university/history.html)


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on November 13, 2017, 03:41:19 pm
I'll take my batting average over yours any day of the week, And for your information, "Eddie" is a first name. "Edwards" is a surname, as in Major General Clarence Ransom Edwards, commanding the 26th Yankee Division in the First World War, and professor of Military Science and Tactics at Rose Hill. For many, especially ROTC alumni, it is hallowed ground. You might try learning a little history and showing a little respect, Ram-Louse.

https://www.goarmy.com/rotc/schools/fordham-university/history.html (https://www.goarmy.com/rotc/schools/fordham-university/history.html)

I know, you Dim-wit.  He is a West Point Grad and he is not buried there.  I know all the history McFly.  You are so stupid.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: xtey92a on November 13, 2017, 03:54:34 pm
I disagree.  and how is tailgating on Edwards Parade malicious or nonsensical?  You make it out like Eddie's is Hallowed Ground or some type of Civil war soldier burial ground.  Swing and a miss by you again.....Your batting average is embarrassing.

I've heard a rumor that some ashes have been spread over Eddies. I've also heard the legend of BURIED JESUIT TREASURE in the tunnels under Eddies. 



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 13, 2017, 04:01:01 pm
I've heard a rumor that some ashes have been spread over Eddies. I've also heard the legend of BURIED JESUIT TREASURE in the tunnels under Eddies. 



I've heard one that too.   ::)


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on November 13, 2017, 04:01:15 pm
I've heard a rumor that some ashes have been spread over Eddies. I've also heard the legend of BURIED JESUIT TREASURE in the tunnels under Eddies. 



I have had ashes from my cigar fall onto Eddie's through the years.....


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Richie68 on November 13, 2017, 04:01:41 pm
I don't think AB is going anywhere.  Here is what should happen and what successful programs would do...

Roach should bring AB in for a major "come to Jesus meeting". He should tell him he needs to unload the coordinators, the special teams coach and the o-line coach and do a serious search and Roach is going to "help" him do that search.  He needs to bring in some older guys who will get the attention of the players and who have been around the block.  He also needs to bring in a real recruiting coordinator.  IMO that's the best way to improve the program given our realities.

If AB is going to be retained, which I am not for by the way, I agree, I think this is the only way to go.  The individual coaches under AB have failed miserably.  A national search for these coaches,
at least, should be implemented getting the best people to help AB that are available to a program like Fordham's.  I think Roach should insist as a condition to keep AB if that is the decision.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on November 13, 2017, 04:06:10 pm
If AB is going to be retained, which I am not for by the way, I agree, I think this is the only way to go.  The individual coaches under AB have failed miserably.  A national search for these coaches,
at least, should be implemented getting the best people to help AB that are available to a program like Fordham's.  I think Roach should insist as a condition to keep AB if that is the decision.

I think a move like this is a recipe for disaster. If we're going to keep a coach "with conditions" we should just move on. One of the issues we've pointed out this season is that he's had a ton of turnover at the assistant level. Are we going to essentially bring in a new staff, and potentially force/encourage him to hire certain people he wouldn't have otherwise brought in?



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 13, 2017, 04:14:45 pm
I think a move like this is a recipe for disaster. If we're going to keep a coach "with conditions" we should just move on. One of the issues we've pointed out this season is that he's had a ton of turnover at the assistant level. Are we going to essentially bring in a new staff, and potentially force/encourage him to hire certain people he wouldn't have otherwise brought in?



Yes


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on November 13, 2017, 04:22:19 pm
Yes

What's the point? Do you think that's actually a good idea?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on November 13, 2017, 04:30:07 pm
Yes

Is Ed Argast available?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 13, 2017, 04:44:08 pm
What's the point? Do you think that's actually a good idea?

Not my first choice but if AB is staying, he's got to bring in some guys who know what they're doing and can see a big picture.  A lot of the garbage we saw this year has nothing to do with coaches being on the same page.  Penalties, blown assignments, total breakdown in the O-Line, lack of fundamentals.  That's coaching 101.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 13, 2017, 04:58:00 pm
Is Ed Argast available?

Last I heard he was way up north...  Vermont or Maine?

He's exactly the kind of guy we need.  A couple of them, really. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: PA Ram on November 13, 2017, 05:01:48 pm
Not my first choice but if AB is staying, he's got to bring in some guys who know what they're doing and can see a big picture.  A lot of the garbage we saw this year has nothing to do with coaches being on the same page.  Penalties, blown assignments, total breakdown in the O-Line, lack of fundamentals.  That's coaching 101.
I feel like this is one of those arguments I could you so easily taking the opposite side of if some posters had made your argument for cleaning house but keeping AB.  You're thrusting a new staff upon him (and the program) for another year and what is it that you're saying he's actually bringing to the table?  To me, if you have a senior guy or two that you have in mind (e.g. - Argast), that's fine.  However, forcing an entirely new crew in there imo seems like you're delaying the inevitable and comes off to me like a cowardly way out.  

Let him go and start over ... or have your tough meeting, offer to help with new staff but still let him choose the team he'll go to battle with.  


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 13, 2017, 05:26:14 pm
I feel like this is one of those arguments I could you so easily taking the opposite side of if some posters had made your argument for cleaning house but keeping AB.  You're thrusting a new staff upon him (and the program) for another year and what is it that you're saying he's actually bringing to the table?  To me, if you have a senior guy or two that you have in mind (e.g. - Argast), that's fine.  However, forcing an entirely new crew in there imo seems like you're delaying the inevitable and comes off to me like a cowardly way out.  

Let him go and start over ... or have your tough meeting, offer to help with new staff but still let him choose the team he'll go to battle with.  

You're assuming this is Roach's call to keep or fire him.  I don't believe it is. I think he can make a recommendation but doesn't have final say.  Assuming AB stays, I think he needs a lot of help.  He had the opportunity to bring coaches in and didn't do well with it.   Now if he wants to keep the job, he has to come in with assistants with real resumes.  Also, it's not just next year.   Whether AB stays past next year or not, you still have to put a respectable team on the field.  There were times this season when we were a total crap show. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on November 13, 2017, 05:28:03 pm
Last I heard he was way up north...  Vermont or Maine?

He's exactly the kind of guy we need.  A couple of them, really. 

University of New England. Which is in Maine.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 13, 2017, 05:50:25 pm
University of New England. Which is in Maine.

First call.  Best line coach I've ever been around and totally gets football on the non-FBS level. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 13, 2017, 06:00:01 pm
First call.  Best line coach I've ever been around and totally gets football on the non-FBS level. 

I take that back.  One of the best football coaches, period.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on November 14, 2017, 08:39:02 am
Is Ed Argast available?

All this talk of firing our coaches and national searches to hire the next hot coach and This if who you come up with? A journeyman offensive line coach from the northeast.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on November 14, 2017, 08:42:02 am
All this talk of firing our coaches and national searches to hire the next hot coach and This if who you come up with? A journeyman offensive line coach from the northeast.

I think this was definitely in reference to hiring him as a position coach, not the next HC.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on November 14, 2017, 08:43:06 am
All this talk of firing our coaches and national searches to hire the next hot coach and This if who you come up with? A journeyman offensive line coach from the northeast.

It was in reply to AOC who was saying we needed to bring in old school assistants.

This is what I was going back to.
I don't think AB is going anywhere.  Here is what should happen and what successful programs would do...

Roach should bring AB in for a major "come to Jesus meeting". He should tell him he needs to unload the coordinators, the special teams coach and the o-line coach and do a serious search and Roach is going to "help" him do that search.  He needs to bring in some older guys who will get the attention of the players and who have been around the block.  He also needs to bring in a real recruiting coordinator.  IMO that's the best way to improve the program given our realities.

Also said partially in jest b/c I know AOC thinks very highly of Argast.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on November 14, 2017, 08:59:49 am
It was in reply to AOC who was saying we needed to bring in old school assistants.

This is what I was going back to.
Also said partially in jest b/c I know AOC thinks very highly of Argast.

Argast was my o-line coach for 1 season and was definitely a great positional coach. The Guy could also pack a lip. Horseshoe style. Didn't want to stand too close when he was angry cause tobacco was flying everywhere!


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: jimbo65 on November 14, 2017, 11:14:42 am
Why do you need tailgating on EP?  It's the center of campus and one of the last open parcels at Rose Hill.  You keep telling us what big-time programs do.  What programs bring cars onto the cAmpus quad for tailgating?  Help us here...

Of all the things Fordham needs to do to upgrade football and athltics in general, this is about #127.

Actually one of the biggest of the bigs kind of does that.  Alabama has a postage size parking lot for a 100,000 seat arena.  Tuscaloosa is an open campus with unfettered drive through ability.  People are encouraged to park on lawns &  open space however the main Quad is reserved for homecoming type tents vendors etc.  Had a friend who had season tickets.  If you weren't tailgating and wanted to leave right after the game, your option was to park over a mile away and hoof it to and from the stadium.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on November 14, 2017, 11:22:06 am
Actually one of the biggest of the bigs kind of does that.  Alabama has a postage size parking lot for a 100,000 seat arena.  Tuscaloosa is an open campus with unfettered drive through ability.  People are encouraged to park on lawns &  open space however the main Quad is reserved for homecoming type tents vendors etc.  Had a friend who had season tickets.  If you weren't tailgating and wanted to leave right after the game, your option was to park over a mile away and hoof it to and from the stadium.

Bama is one of many venues that have this style set up like ours.  We are missing an enormous opportunity.  The only people that should be allowed to park "on campus" during Football Saturdays at Rose Hill should be folks with Reserved/VIP tailgating spots.  If you want to come to the game and not have a spot or tailgating option then you take a bus in from a "remote" parking overflow option.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 14, 2017, 01:36:53 pm
Actually one of the biggest of the bigs kind of does that.  Alabama has a postage size parking lot for a 100,000 seat arena.  Tuscaloosa is an open campus with unfettered drive through ability.  People are encouraged to park on lawns &  open space however the main Quad is reserved for homecoming type tents vendors etc.  Had a friend who had season tickets.  If you weren't tailgating and wanted to leave right after the game, your option was to park over a mile away and hoof it to and from the stadium.
That was my main point.  I've never been to a campus that allowed parking on the main quad.  Most major schools have their stadiums on the edge of campus and parking on the center of campus puts you far away from the game.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: xtey92a on November 14, 2017, 02:42:45 pm
Bama is one of many venues that have this style set up like ours.  We are missing an enormous opportunity.  The only people that should be allowed to park "on campus" during Football Saturdays at Rose Hill should be folks with Reserved/VIP tailgating spots.  If you want to come to the game and not have a spot or tailgating option then you take a bus in from a "remote" parking overflow option.

Lot A will eventually be converted to classroom space. During Homecoming there were parties at Gabelli, and other locations. I assume the roof of the Garage will be used for practice fields at some point. You could tent-tailgate up there, but since it is a garage, open fires are forbidden. Only one set of elevators go up there.

The HC tent is not going away, I recommend additional tents around the campus for more intimate groups, and the ability for sit down dining or speeches by PotU or various deans.

Only concern about people setting up their own pop-up tents is a squall could come through and pick up a tent and hurt people.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on November 14, 2017, 03:11:08 pm
Not a lotAs of right now you could put the HC tent in the visitors end zone. AB apparently has no use for it.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on November 14, 2017, 03:54:58 pm
Lot A will eventually be converted to classroom space. During Homecoming there were parties at Gabelli, and other locations. I assume the roof of the Garage will be used for practice fields at some point. You could tent-tailgate up there, but since it is a garage, open fires are forbidden. Only one set of elevators go up there.

The HC tent is not going away, I recommend additional tents around the campus for more intimate groups, and the ability for sit down dining or speeches by PotU or various deans.

Only concern about people setting up their own pop-up tents is a squall could come through and pick up a tent and hurt people.



Thank you.....

This is the typical "swing and a miss" information and drone thinking that goes on at Fordham.  With thinking like this our "Butt Fumble" Homecoming activities will continue from now until our Homecoming crowds dwindle to zero.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on November 14, 2017, 04:06:43 pm
Thank you.....

This is the typical "swing and a miss" information and drone thinking that goes on at Fordham.  With thinking like this our "Butt Fumble" Homecoming activities will continue from now until our Homecoming crowds dwindle to zero.


+1. Too much can’t, can’t, can’t going on around here.

Except for parking on eddies, that will never happen, but I do think it could work for space where people can set up their personal party space.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on November 14, 2017, 07:52:43 pm

+1. Too much canít, canít, canít going on around here.

Except for parking on eddies, that will never happen, but I do think it could work for space where people can set up their personal party space.

Ace, at this point I would even compromise and say....

Ok, no vehicles on Eddie's as long as private tailgating is allowed to take place on Eddie's.  Also, the "fun Police" is only allow to tell people to stop tailgating 1 hour after the final Whistle sounds.  They are not allowed to tell people they can't tailgate during the game.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: DamnRam on November 14, 2017, 10:53:13 pm
Ok, no vehicles on Eddie's as long as private tailgating is allowed to take place on Eddie's.

Tailgating without a vehicle?  That's called a "picnic".


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on November 14, 2017, 11:39:00 pm
Tailgating without a vehicle?  That's called a "picnic".

Enjoy your warm beer and Fire Marshall illegal tent next year.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on November 15, 2017, 01:58:52 am
Enjoy your warm beer and Fire Marshall illegal tent next year.

If you promise not to be there, we'll all have a much better time. Go attend a homecoming at one of the Power 5 schools that you think we should emulate. Maybe they'll let you tailgate on their quad. Hopefully they'll arrest you for trespassing when you do.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on November 15, 2017, 07:11:27 am
If you promise not to be there, we'll all have a much better time. Go attend a homecoming at one of the Power 5 schools that you think we should emulate. Maybe they'll let you tailgate on their quad. Hopefully they'll arrest you for trespassing when you do.

It is truly amazing that you are content with this Butt-Fumble style operation that you call a tailgate.  The people on these threads have overwhelmingly stated their disgust with this incompetency which some people call a tailgate.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 15, 2017, 07:43:00 am

+1. Too much canít, canít, canít going on around here.

Except for parking on eddies, that will never happen, but I do think it could work for space where people can set up their personal party space.

Isnít that what a tailgate is?

It seems to me, party areas, vip tents, corporate sponsor areas are incumbent on VIPs and corporate types having the interest in Fordham football.   Our crack marketing team hasnít  been successful in geneeating such interest.

I still go to 3-4 home games a year and one away game.  I donít know Iíve ever heard real complaints about the tailgating situation other than they donít want people lingering long after the game.  Do we really have a segment of the fan base that wants to dedicate 8 hours on a Saturday, 5-6 times a year to Fordham football?  Iím sure if there was some critical mass and they approached the administration with a plan for a upgraded tailgate situation, theyíd at least listen.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on November 15, 2017, 07:49:03 am
Isn’t that what a tailgate is?

It seems to me, party areas, vip tents, corporate sponsor areas are incumbent on VIPs and corporate types having the interest in Fordham football.   Our crack marketing team hasn’t  been successful in geneeating such interest.

I still go to 3-4 home games a year and one away game.  I don’t know I’ve ever heard real complaints about the tailgating situation other than they don’t want people lingering long after the game.  Do we really have a segment of the fan base that wants to dedicate 8 hours on a Saturday, 5-6 times a year to Fordham football?  I’m sure if there was some critical mass and they approached the administration with a plan for a upgraded tailgate situation, they’d at least listen.

Isn't what what a tailgate is? Are you saying it requires parking or it does not require parking?

I agree that aside from homecoming the tailgating does not seem to come into question. I do not think that critical mass is there, but others seem to think it is.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 15, 2017, 08:09:32 am
Isn't what what a tailgate is? Are you saying it requires parking or it does not require parking?

I agree that aside from homecoming the tailgating does not seem to come into question. I do not think that critical mass is there, but others seem to think it is.

Isnít a personal party space outside a football game a tailgate?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on November 15, 2017, 08:13:41 am
Isn’t a personal party space outside a football game a tailgate?

Tailgating without a vehicle?  That's called a "picnic".


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 15, 2017, 08:18:34 am
It occurs to me we could be giving this too much thought....

Pull into a spot, get out the grill and cooler, a chair and you're good.  Extra points for good tunes!


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: FUCoP69 on November 15, 2017, 09:16:39 am
It is truly amazing that you are content with this Butt-Fumble style operation that you call a tailgate.  The people on these threads have overwhelmingly stated their disgust with this incompetency which some people call a tailgate.

Your inability to read for comprehension is truly amazing. Either that or you intentionally misstate what others have posted in order to suit your idiotic positions. Neither of the two sentences in your post are true. Many people on these boards, myself included, have expressed dissatisfaction with the current setup of the homecoming tent and the university's decision to not allow tailgating on homecoming weekend. Very few have expressed dissatisfaction with tailgating when it is allowed at other home games. You and truth are complete strangers, again and again, and again.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on November 15, 2017, 09:21:39 am
Survivor Series is on Sunday. Shane O Mac v. Kurt Angle. Anyone want to tailgate SS in my driveway?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: 85 on November 15, 2017, 09:25:00 am
How did Breiners hot seat morph into the tailgate?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Ram-Spouse on November 15, 2017, 10:09:37 am
How did Breiners hot seat morph into the tailgate?

This is a pseudo-facilities rant.  Dont all threads morph intona facilities rant?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 15, 2017, 12:02:38 pm
How did Breiners hot seat morph into the tailgate?

AB is blaming the lack of good tailgating facilities for their not being able to stop the run.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: NYRam07 on November 15, 2017, 12:49:08 pm
AB is blaming the lack of good tailgating facilities for their not being able to stop the run.

AOC you never answered my question on whether or not you think its a good idea to essentially force a new staff on AB? Curious to see if you think its a smart move, or if it could really work.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 15, 2017, 01:14:00 pm
AOC you never answered my question on whether or not you think its a good idea to essentially force a new staff on AB? Curious to see if you think its a smart move, or if it could really work.

I think itís an absolute if he keeps the job.  He did an exceedingly poor job of choosing assistants.  Iíve harped on it but his choice of DC was really poor. Iím not at all impressed with the line play or special teams either.  Teaching just isnít happening.  Iíve heard that AB intentionally brought in young guys for the most part with limited experience.  I think that was done for a specific reason.  This can be a tough business.  If the Powers in the Tower arenít going to move AB out, he needs to have a better staff around him.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Battering Ram on November 15, 2017, 01:30:46 pm
This seems to assume that Dave Roach would be the person responsible for hiring the staff and is qualified to make those hires.  I think it's one thing to hire a HC because there are certain things re: a coach's resume, preparedness, attention to detail, demeanor, etc that an AD can evaluate during interviews.  Getting down the the nitty gritty of hiring assistant coaches is beyond the capabilities of most ADs.  There's also a risk of an AD hiring his guys who could undercut the HC.  It's a bad set up.

Let the HC pick his own staff and live or die by them.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: txram on November 15, 2017, 03:01:24 pm
I think itís an absolute if he keeps the job.  He did an exceedingly poor job of choosing assistants.  Iíve harped on it but his choice of DC was really poor. Iím not at all impressed with the line play or special teams either.  Teaching just isnít happening.  Iíve heard that AB intentionally brought in young guys for the most part with limited experience.  I think that was done for a specific reason.  This can be a tough business.  If the Powers in the Tower arenít going to move AB out, he needs to have a better staff around him.
A good coach or boss in business can't be afraid of surrounding themselves with the best people possible.  They can't be insecure and be successful.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: fred on November 15, 2017, 03:04:11 pm
Why would we think he'd surround himself with good coached next year....The new ones this year were a disaster.  Why ae so many afraid to pull the trigger on this mess??


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on November 15, 2017, 03:05:52 pm
Why would we think he'd surround himself with good coached next year....The new ones this year were a disaster.  Why ae so many afraid to pull the trigger on this mess??

Who is afraid to pull the trigger? I have not seen anyone say that. I have seen some say they don't think the admin will pull the trigger, but that is very different than being afraid to pull the trigger.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 15, 2017, 03:18:16 pm
This seems to assume that Dave Roach would be the person responsible for hiring the staff and is qualified to make those hires.  I think it's one thing to hire a HC because there are certain things re: a coach's resume, preparedness, attention to detail, demeanor, etc that an AD can evaluate during interviews.  Getting down the the nitty gritty of hiring assistant coaches is beyond the capabilities of most ADs.  There's also a risk of an AD hiring his guys who could undercut the HC.  It's a bad set up.

Let the HC pick his own staff and live or die by them.

It's not uncommon when a school isn't ready to fire a HC that he be told to clean house.  I don't think the AD has to over see the process but he gets input.  He's gets to sit down with the candidates and he has the HC articulate the process and why he's choosing the candidate.  I don't have a problem with the AD being an active part of the process at all.  AB is in charge of a $6mil+ program.  He didn't do well the first time out.  If he wants his job he needs to make concessions.  We all report to someone.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: PA Ram on November 15, 2017, 03:51:14 pm
I think itís an absolute if he keeps the job.  He did an exceedingly poor job of choosing assistants.  Iíve harped on it but his choice of DC was really poor. Iím not at all impressed with the line play or special teams either.  Teaching just isnít happening.  Iíve heard that AB intentionally brought in young guys for the most part with limited experience.  I think that was done for a specific reason.  This can be a tough business.  If the Powers in the Tower arenít going to move AB out, he needs to have a better staff around him.

you seem to be implying that he hired young staff out of insecurity/hope that he won't be challenged?  Am i reading that correctly or is there something else? 

I have no idea or inside info to confirm what you wrote is true but the first thing my mind went to when I read it was that young, inexperienced coaches are cheaper.  So if that's the case, was a young, inexperienced staff an AB choice or a choice already thrust upon him?  Either way it seems logical that you'd have to pay more to get the more experienced assistants in here, right?  That means that your argument is to invest more money into AB versus cutting bait.  Maybe that'll be what it will take but I'm just doubtful that it's so easy to just say 'hire some experienced assistants and let's see how year 3 turns out.'


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 15, 2017, 04:11:59 pm
  He didn't do a great job hiring.  He gets a re-do if he's lucky.  There are always guys out there if you want to chase them down.  The salary pool is what it is.  Work with it.  JM seemed to do well enough with it.  I don't see how you can bring the staff back and get better results.  Players couldn't do the basics.  The need better teachers.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Rich93 on November 15, 2017, 04:17:09 pm
It's not uncommon when a school isn't ready to fire a HC that he be told to clean house.  I don't think the AD has to over see the process but he gets input.  He's gets to sit down with the candidates and he has the HC articulate the process and why he's choosing the candidate.  I don't have a problem with the AD being an active part of the process at all.  AB is in charge of a $6mil+ program.  He didn't do well the first time out.  If he wants his job he needs to make concessions.  We all report to someone.

When is the last time this happened if it is so common?   I seem to recall you making this claim years ago and we came up with iona doing it with Ruland and they went winless that year.  Any recent examples if this is so common? 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 15, 2017, 05:56:32 pm
When is the last time this happened if it is so common?   I seem to recall you making this claim years ago and we came up with iona doing it with Ruland and they went winless that year.  Any recent examples if this is so common? 

Paul Pasqualoni at UConn.  Mark Richt at Georgia.  Kyle Flood at Rutgers off the top of my head.  Tom Coughlin, Giants.  Not the kind of things most schools advertise.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: txram on November 15, 2017, 06:05:18 pm
I think Roach has a philosophy of sitting down talking to all head athletic coaches after the season.  If so, it'd be interesting to be a fly on the wall for the FB coaches' talks.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Rich93 on November 15, 2017, 07:46:22 pm
Paul Pasqualoni at UConn.  Mark Richt at Georgia.  Kyle Flood at Rutgers off the top of my head.  Tom Coughlin, Giants.  Not the kind of things most schools advertise.



Pasqualoni got fired 4 games into his 3rd season his 2013  coaching changes didnt seem drastic one guy went to BC and was replaced internally   another was made associate head coach and got replaced by guy from Cincinnati.  After all that he did not make it through the next season. Rich was at Georgia for 15 years fired after only getting to SEC semis who was he forced to fire and when?   Flood is interesting because in 2013 it was known his assistants that ended up being fired had complaints filed against them for abuse and he had to fire them it was well known not a secret.  Much different than telling a guy fire your assistants for poor on the field performance. Notably flood was canned shortly thereafter in 2015 he was  a disaster on and off the field.

So in the end nothing indicates to me these moves were mandated by the administration except for maybe  flood but that was about discipline and in the end all these guys got fired shortly after allegedly being forced to make these moves.  So why waste the time?  Either fire the guy or let him do his job. 

Question was Franklin at PSU forced to hire a new OC when he hired Moorhead?   He was definitely on the hot seat.  Seems all these other guys if they got forced to make changes got fired anyway so it is useless.  Franklin on the other hand started winning so the staff changes worked in part. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Rob Smith on November 16, 2017, 12:42:06 am
I think itís an absolute if he keeps the job.  He did an exceedingly poor job of choosing assistants.  Iíve harped on it but his choice of DC was really poor. Iím not at all impressed with the line play or special teams either.  Teaching just isnít happening.  Iíve heard that AB intentionally brought in young guys for the most part with limited experience.  I think that was done for a specific reason.  This can be a tough business.  If the Powers in the Tower arenít going to move AB out, he needs to have a better staff around him.

Do you think that there are quality assistants that would come in for a potential 1 year gig reporting to AB? I'm not knocking your assessment, I doubt it will happen but think that the whole staff needs to get cleaned out at this point.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 16, 2017, 02:25:42 am
Pasqualoni got fired 4 games into his 3rd season his 2013  coaching changes didnt seem drastic one guy went to BC and was replaced internally   another was made associate head coach and got replaced by guy from Cincinnati.  After all that he did not make it through the next season. Rich was at Georgia for 15 years fired after only getting to SEC semis who was he forced to fire and when?   Flood is interesting because in 2013 it was known his assistants that ended up being fired had complaints filed against them for abuse and he had to fire them it was well known not a secret.  Much different than telling a guy fire your assistants for poor on the field performance. Notably flood was canned shortly thereafter in 2015 he was  a disaster on and off the field.

So in the end nothing indicates to me these moves were mandated by the administration except for maybe  flood but that was about discipline and in the end all these guys got fired shortly after allegedly being forced to make these moves.  So why waste the time?  Either fire the guy or let him do his job. 

Question was Franklin at PSU forced to hire a new OC when he hired Moorhead?   He was definitely on the hot seat.  Seems all these other guys if they got forced to make changes got fired anyway so it is useless.  Franklin on the other hand started winning so the staff changes worked in part. 

I'd make the changes a condition of keeping his job for another year.  We need better coaching.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 16, 2017, 02:33:19 am
Do you think that there are quality assistants that would come in for a potential 1 year gig reporting to AB? I'm not knocking your assessment, I doubt it will happen but think that the whole staff needs to get cleaned out at this point.

I think a few weeks after the convention there are always a couple of good coaches who didn't land a job for whatever reason.    That's when you go to work and fill out the staff.  He has to be pro-active.  There's always a couple of retired high school guys who'd look at it I'm sure.  If you have to bring in a few mercenaries, do it. 


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Chaka001 on November 16, 2017, 08:39:41 pm
Question was Franklin at PSU forced to hire a new OC when he hired Moorhead?   He was definitely on the hot seat.  Seems all these other guys if they got forced to make changes got fired anyway so it is useless.  Franklin on the other hand started winning so the staff changes worked in part. 
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It was obvious to everyone that Franklin was on the warm seat.  To some the seat was a bit hotter and others cooler.  No doubt he was on the hot seat if they did not show improvement last year.
I think he heard the rumors and realized that he needed to show improvement or else.  To some extent, Moorhead saved his ass and even more as he got an extension.

Ironically Paterno had a hall pass for years.  He played a patsy OOC a schedule and I don't think he wore a headset the last 10 years.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on November 17, 2017, 11:49:18 am
I don't think it's an issue of finding the right assistant coaches. The recruiting and philosophy of the the head coach going back to JM and continued by AB had been to load up on offense and pay little attention to defense. They took the big 12 philosophy of first team to 45 wins.. score fast and score more than you're opponent .. I've never seen this philosophy work consistently or win big.. yea you light up the scoreboard beat up on bad teams put up stats and keep fans excited.

Defense and power running are starting to come back as football usually comes full circle as people adjust to the new offenses.. anyone still using the run and shoot, wildcat, wishbone not really .. this spread em put up tempo had its time but things are swinging back to real football. The Texas techs and oregons of the world are no longer different or special .. defenses caught up and now they can't stop anyone because they have a philosophy that no longer works .. so either give AB another year to fix it or Hire a HC that cares about playing defense


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 17, 2017, 01:49:20 pm
I don't see what football trends have to do with our situation.  We have a coach who didn't make good hires and is having a tough time getting the team to respond.  Oregon and Texas Tech have nothing to do with that.  We're playing a spread offense and its worked well with great players and good coaching.  We came down to earth when we no longer had superior players and our established coaches moved on.

According to many on the board, the recruiting is fine and we have good players.  I don't agree but...   If we have good players, then it has to be the coaching.  Or most likely a combination of not great players or coaching.  If its the coaching, you have to make changes.  If AB doesn't want to shake up the staff, I'd move him out next week.  It's easier than moving out 40 players.   Many of the weaknesses I've seen have nothing to do with an offensive or defensive system or coaches being on the same page.  I've seen really bad fundamentals.  Big staffing changes are called for, IMO.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: ace93 on November 17, 2017, 02:10:16 pm
I don't see what football trends have to do with our situation.  We have a coach who didn't make good hires and is having a tough time getting the team to respond.  Oregon and Texas Tech have nothing to do with that.  We're playing a spread offense and its worked well with great players and good coaching.  We came down to earth when we no longer had superior players and our established coaches moved on.

According to many on the board, the recruiting is fine and we have good players.  I don't agree but...   If we have good players, then it has to be the coaching.  Or most likely a combination of not great players or coaching.  If its the coaching, you have to make changes.  If AB doesn't want to shake up the staff, I'd move him out next week.  It's easier than moving out 40 players.   Many of the weaknesses I've seen have nothing to do with an offensive or defensive system or coaches being on the same page.  I've seen really bad fundamentals.  Big staffing changes are called for, IMO.



Football trends = concentrating on offense more defense.
Fordham under Moorhead and Breiner = concentrated on offense more than defense.

Football trends = Fordham under Moorhead and Breiner.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: JohnG92 on November 17, 2017, 02:14:28 pm
Question was Franklin at PSU forced to hire a new OC when he hired Moorhead?   He was definitely on the hot seat.  Seems all these other guys if they got forced to make changes got fired anyway so it is useless.  Franklin on the other hand started winning so the staff changes worked in part. 


It was obvious to everyone that Franklin was on the warm seat.  To some the seat was a bit hotter and others cooler.  No doubt he was on the hot seat if they did not show improvement last year.
I think he heard the rumors and realized that he needed to show improvement or else.  To some extent, Moorhead saved his ass and even more as he got an extension.

Ironically Paterno had a hall pass for years.  He played a patsy OOC a schedule and I don't think he wore a headset the last 10 years.


there's no doubt Franklin was on the hot seat, and no doubt Moorhead saved Franklin's rear end.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 17, 2017, 02:41:11 pm
Football trends = concentrating on offense more defense.
Fordham under Moorhead and Breiner = concentrated on offense more than defense.

Football trends = Fordham under Moorhead and Breiner.

OK.  I can buy that!


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: HKRam on November 17, 2017, 07:51:56 pm
RamSpouse,
Who do you think we draw in the first round of the playoffs this year? I guarantee it's at home.



Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 18, 2017, 08:58:26 am
there's no doubt Franklin was on the hot seat, and no doubt Moorhead saved Franklin's rear end.



Seems to me thatís the sign of a smart coach. Get as many good assistants as possible.  AB take note!


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on November 18, 2017, 09:39:52 am
Seems to me thatís the sign of a smart coach. Get as many good assistants as possible.  AB take note!

ok let's see what happens when both Tennessee and Texas am offer Franklin 8 mill robe the new head coach. Does psu annoint JM like many on here believe


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 18, 2017, 09:57:26 am
ok let's see what happens when both Tennessee and Texas am offer Franklin 8 mill robe the new head coach. Does psu annoint JM like many on here believe

No idea. The battery in my see into the future machine died.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: joea on November 18, 2017, 09:59:22 am
ok let's see what happens when both Tennessee and Texas am offer Franklin 8 mill robe the new head coach. Does psu annoint JM like many on here believe

I highly doubt either Texas A&M or Tennessee is going to almost double their football coaches salary for Franklin. They might, but I doubt it.

Here is a list of salaries

https://www.boydsbets.com/highest-paid-college-football-coaches/

These numbers are really eye opening.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 18, 2017, 10:31:24 am
I highly doubt either Texas A&M or Tennessee is going to almost double their football coaches salary for Franklin. They might, but I doubt it.

Here is a list of salaries

https://www.boydsbets.com/highest-paid-college-football-coaches/

These numbers are really eye opening.

Agreed. I donít know why guys here think Franklin is in such a rush to get out of Happy Valley   Itís one of the great jobs in college football.   Certainly a Top 10.  Texas A&M?  Why?  Franklin may be settled in for a long time.  If JM is itching to make a move, he may have to move on.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on November 18, 2017, 10:51:58 am
Agreed. I donít know why guys here think Franklin is in such a rush to get out of Happy Valley   Itís one of the great jobs in college football.   Certainly a Top 10.  Texas A&M?  Why?  Franklin may be settled in for a long time.  If JM is itching to make a move, he may have to move on.

Those 2 schools would love to hire Franklin and they will throw obscene amounts of money to get him. It's just the way the sec is now. After gruden and the others say no, franklin is the best guy to excite the sec fan base. Franklin seems like the type that is a climber and a mover and I think fighting Michigan and Ohio state every year could mean lots of third place finishes. He can jump to the sec east and compete right away.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on November 18, 2017, 10:53:12 am
No idea. The battery in my see into the future machine died.

That has t stopped you up until this point , why now?


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 18, 2017, 11:14:32 am
Those 2 schools would love to hire Franklin and they will throw obscene amounts of money to get him. It's just the way the sec is now. After gruden and the others say no, franklin is the best guy to excite the sec fan base. Franklin seems like the type that is a climber and a mover and I think fighting Michigan and Ohio state every year could mean lots of third place finishes. He can jump to the sec east and compete right away.

I donít agree theyíd love to hire him. They may want to talk to him.  I donít know how hot he is.


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: An Old Coach on November 18, 2017, 11:15:25 am
That has t stopped you up until this point , why now?

Personal prejudices


Title: Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat"
Post by: Madram on November 22, 2017, 02:11:58 pm
Minnesota and first-year coach P.J Fleck have agreed to a contract extension that will keep him with the Gophers until January 2023.

I guess someone thinks highly of fleck