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Title: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: PeterMartin08 on November 13, 2017, 10:24:49 pm
Enjoy LIU for the next twenty minutes,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OsTOlSd9jw


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Vooter on November 14, 2017, 12:10:16 am
Pretty comprehensive overview of the 2017-18 Seminoles here:

https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/2017-ACC-Basketball-Preview



Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: charlietags on November 14, 2017, 12:27:58 am
Sounds like we will have to play our very best A game.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: PeterMartin08 on November 14, 2017, 10:00:08 am
Sounds like we will have to play our very best A game.

To avoid a blow out, yes.

fyi - the Seminoles will play George Washington today, 7pm on ESFC. Pretty good game-tape opportunity for the staff to take in.

FSU lost a lot of scoring (Bacon, Isaac, XRM) - two of which are in the league now, but there is plenty of talent to replace it, several shooters that will destroy a zone. M.J. Walker is a five-star (yes, 5) McDonalds All-American. Watch for him to take over tonight.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: shortshot on November 14, 2017, 10:06:00 am
This could be our toughest game of the year. They even have 2 7 footers to protect the basket. Only saving grace is a number of their top players are freshmen (so there is a slim chance they may have yet to adjust to the tempo of the college game). If we can keep it close and wear them down, we may have a shot at pulling it out. Depth may help us here but the whole team will have to play there best game on offense and defense, minimize the TOs and take advantage of all scoring opportunities. Our bench will probably get a lot of playing time if JN employs an aggressive defense so they will have to produce. They could be the key to a victory.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: drunkle on November 14, 2017, 10:32:03 am
Pretty comprehensive overview of the 2017-18 Seminoles here:

https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/2017-ACC-Basketball-Preview



I read that guy's ACC preview last couple of years.

Florida State, as usual, is huge, athletic and deep, although a lot of the time their 7'+ guys aren't exactly the most mobile.  They lost Rathan-Mayes, Bacon and Isaac, as well as Ojo and Jarquez Smith, but return plenty of bodies.  But I don't think C.J. Walker or Trent Forrest are particularly good as point guards.  They do have a couple of excellent shooters in PJ Savoy and Brian Angola-Rhodes.  MJ Walker is a top recruit, and Obiagu and Gray are fairly well thought of recruits, too.

They will go 11-12 deep, with two 7'-ers, Koumadje at 7'4" and Obiagu 7'.  Terrence Mann and Cofer are 2 older glue guys.  Hamilton I think is a decent coach, but more of the let them play variety, and he doesn't seem to get the most out of his teams.  They can get some big wins, lose some inexplicable games, and never go far in the NCAAs when they get there.  Last year and 2012 being years they had good teams that didn't do much in the tourney.  They won the ACC tournament in 2012 and were ranked 10th but lost to Cincy.  Last year they got up to #6 but got blown out by Xavier.  In 15 years under Hamilton they have been to one Sweet 16.

I'm not sure MJ Walker is going to step right out and be a go to scorer, and their new points may not be ready.  Their main thing is just going to be to wear you down with size, strength and speed.  They can crush a team, but also they can be vulnerable.  Last year they lost to Temple (kenpom 118), Pitt (79), Syracuse and Georgia Tech.  Among others.  And that was a really good team. Hofstra beat them in 2016.  That was a decent Hofstra team.  UMass (125), Northeaster and Mississippi St (159) all beat them in 2014-15, the last year before some big classes with Beasley and Bacon and then Isaac.  I think that may be about the level they will be at to start this year.

Last year they were 41st in turnovers per possession.  Pretty good, and for them very good.  But that was with Rathan-Mayes as a junior pg.  The year before they were 161st.  And in 2015 they were awful, 335th.  Rathan-Mayes wasn't a point coming out of high school, and he struggled at first in that area.  So they may be ripe for the picking, as it were.  Although we also don't want to get into an up and down with these guys.  It'll be interesting to see how Neubauer sets the D.

Their first game will be on the 14th against GW.  So we will get to see them against a familiar squad first.      


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: PeterMartin08 on November 14, 2017, 10:34:39 am
This could be our toughest game of the year. They even have 2 7 footers to protect the basket. Only saving grace is a number of their top players are freshmen (so there is a slim chance they may have yet to adjust to the tempo of the college game). If we can keep it close and wear them down, we may have a shot at pulling it out. Depth may help us here but the whole team will have to play there best game on offense and defense, minimize the TOs and take advantage of all scoring opportunities. Our bench will probably get a lot of playing time if JN employs an aggressive defense so they will have to produce. They could be the key to a victory.

The 7's are pro prospects too. In regards to the 'freshman' angle, I think you're really reaching. It's an entirely different level of athlete and player. Adjusting to the level of the college game? It'll look 140mph to Fordham, not Florida State...Agreed on bench need. If we're aggressive defensively, we'll need to go 10 deep and then some. Seminoles could put up 100 with that type of pace. 91-70 type score.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: PeterMartin08 on November 14, 2017, 10:35:18 am
I'm not sure MJ Walker is going to step right out and be a go to scorer, and their new points may not be ready.  

He was in their exhibition games, FWIW.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: drunkle on November 14, 2017, 10:42:23 am
He was in their exhibition games, FWIW.

I'm sure they will go to him.  We'll see.  Isaac, bacon and Beasley all came right in as fairly big scorers (Isaac a little less since they had upper class guys).  But he is a 5 star so you may be right.  I don't mind him getting points, just hopefully inefficiently.  I'll take 7-19.

Allen, Angola-Rhodes and Savoy worry me, all at 40% plus from 3 last year, albeit not in starter minutes.

Hicks, Taveras, JC and Evans all ball-hawking like crazy and getting steals would be my hope.  Discombobulate the new points.  And Chuba, Bunting and Slanina all have to man up down low.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: NYRam07 on November 14, 2017, 10:44:32 am
I read that guy's ACC preview last couple of years.

Florida State, as usual, is huge, athletic and deep, although a lot of the time their 7'+ guys aren't exactly the most mobile.  They lost Rathan-Mayes, Bacon and Isaac, as well as Ojo and Jarquez Smith, but return plenty of bodies.  But I don't think C.J. Walker or Trent Forrest are particularly good as point guards.  They do have a couple of excellent shooters in PJ Savoy and Brian Angola-Rhodes.  MJ Walker is a top recruit, and Obiagu and Gray are fairly well thought of recruits, too.

They will go 11-12 deep, with two 7'-ers, Koumadje at 7'4" and Obiagu 7'.  Terrence Mann and Cofer are 2 older glue guys.  Hamilton I think is a decent coach, but more of the let them play variety, and he doesn't seem to get the most out of his teams.  They can get some big wins, lose some inexplicable games, and never go far in the NCAAs when they get there.  Last year and 2012 being years they had good teams that didn't do much in the tourney.  They won the ACC tournament in 2012 and were ranked 10th but lost to Cincy.  Last year they got up to #6 but got blown out by Xavier.  In 15 years under Hamilton they have been to one Sweet 16.

I'm not sure MJ Walker is going to step right out and be a go to scorer, and their new points may not be ready.  Their main thing is just going to be to wear you down with size, strength and speed.  They can crush a team, but also they can be vulnerable.  Last year they lost to Temple (kenpom 118), Pitt (79), Syracuse and Georgia Tech.  Among others.  And that was a really good team. Hofstra beat them in 2016.  That was a decent Hofstra team.  UMass (125), Northeaster and Mississippi St (159) all beat them in 2014-15, the last year before some big classes with Beasley and Bacon and then Isaac.  I think that may be about the level they will be at to start this year.

Last year they were 41st in turnovers per possession.  Pretty good, and for them very good.  But that was with Rathan-Mayes as a junior pg.  The year before they were 161st.  And in 2015 they were awful, 335th.  Rathan-Mayes wasn't a point coming out of high school, and he struggled at first in that area.  So they may be ripe for the picking, as it were.  Although we also don't want to get into an up and down with these guys.  It'll be interesting to see how Neubauer sets the D.

Their first game will be on the 14th against GW.  So we will get to see them against a familiar squad first.      

So you're saying there's a chance?!


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: PeterMartin08 on November 14, 2017, 10:49:10 am
I'm sure they will go to him.  We'll see.  Isaac, bacon and Beasley all came right in as fairly big scorers (Isaac a little less since they had upper class guys).  But he is a 5 star so you may be right.  I don't mind him getting points, just hopefully inefficiently.  I'll take 7-19.

I hear you, I think we'd all take 7-19, I'm just not sure how we force enough bad shots. It's difficult to describe what a large gap in athleticism and ability it is. For a few minutes here and there, you have a fighting chance; but over 40 minutes its a mismatch. With Fordham's propensity to foul, I could see FSU at the line for 25-30 freebies.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: drunkle on November 14, 2017, 12:24:09 pm
I hear you, I think we'd all take 7-19, I'm just not sure how we force enough bad shots. It's difficult to describe what a large gap in athleticism and ability it is. For a few minutes here and there, you have a fighting chance; but over 40 minutes its a mismatch. With Fordham's propensity to foul, I could see FSU at the line for 25-30 freebies.

Beasley came in at #39 RSCI.  Bacon at #17, and they both came in scoring 20+ in their first games, shooting over 50% (not against a great d though).  Walker comes in at #24.

But I don't want to show them too much awe.  Last year they had 2 guys who came in more highly rated than Walker, who is actually a consensus 4 star per 247 composite (they have him # 28, slightly different composite rank than RSCI).  Isaac was #8.  So he and bacon.  Plus Rathan-Mayes was also top 50.  Obiagu, another freshman, is #67.  Gray 157.  Forrest and CJ walker were 70 and 113 last year.  Mann was 95 3 years ago.  Koumadje was 334.  Angoloa-Rhodes a juco.

This is really only slightly better than Rhode Island kids ranks, and they were generally older last year.  Matthews was 247 107.  Hassan martin was deeper 100s, but they were their best players.  Jared Terrell #68.  Kuran Iverson was RSCI # 30 in 2013.  Stanford Robinson was #61. And we were able to run with them last year with guys out.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: drunkle on November 14, 2017, 12:54:40 pm
So you're saying there's a chance?!

I think so.  Georgia Tech was one of the best D teams last year (Kenpom #6) and held them to .324 eFG%.  And that was a better FSU team (#31 O and D). Now, we were #82.  And held Rhode Island (#57 O, # 30 D) to .321 eFG%.     

Georgia tech beat them on the boards last year.  So did Temple, which surprisingly won by just out-shooting them.  Syracuse was not a good defensive team last year (per Kenpom worse than Fordam, at #119), but they likewise put a hurting on FSU's offense, in what was a back to back pair of losses with the georgia tech loss.

We'll need Prokop to turn into Ben Lammers, Georgia tech's shot-blocking center.  And yeah, not foul out.  Another thing FSU does is foul a lot.  They have a lot of bodies and thus fouls to give, but Temple also beat them at the line last year.

We'll need Slanina and Raut making 3s and roaming outside to draw their bigs away from the rim.  Not sure how many layups we will get anyway.

JC doing his thing, Hicks and Evans hawking their guards like crazy.  Even if not as many TOs (and they are prone), not letting them get into sets and pounding us down low.  Watch their 3 point shooters, although they will get theirs.

Tavares can run with these guys.  Hopefully Chuba shows up, and good JC.

But no kidding, it would take a full game of peak play and them being off to do it. 


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: drunkle on November 14, 2017, 01:20:17 pm
T-Rank has it 75-64 Florida State.

http://www.barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Florida+St.

"Fri 11-17   N      205   Fordham   Florida St. -10.9, 75-64 (83%)"  T-Rank has FSU at #64.  Kenpom has them #55.  of course that's a bunch of computer guesswork, since FSU hasn't even played.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: PeterMartin08 on November 14, 2017, 02:33:44 pm
T-Rank has it 75-64 Florida State.

http://www.barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Florida+St.

"Fri 11-17   N      205   Fordham   Florida St. -10.9, 75-64 (83%)"  T-Rank has FSU at #64.  Kenpom has them #55.  of course that's a bunch of computer guesswork, since FSU hasn't even played.

Very interesting. 75-64 reads as a backdoor cover? I'm going to stick with the 90-71. I don't really care at all about the computer guess work that you mentioned. I think it's a spot where you have a lot of players flying around, a lot of errors. I could see us falling behind by 18 and going bucket for bucket for much of the 2nd half with the FSU 2nd team.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Rich93 on November 14, 2017, 09:18:23 pm
FSU beats GW by 20 87-67.  GW shot the ball poorly FSU had balanced attack. For our game, Pomeroy predicts a 12 point loss 76-64.  Big step up in competition for us. 


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 15, 2017, 09:23:03 am
Seminoles  88    Rams  66

Hoping for better but Chuba has come out of the gate very slowly and we will need the bigs on floor and contributing.

Stay away from the meat patties.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: alanccrx on November 15, 2017, 12:30:12 pm
Consulted with a number of Oracles and their considered prophetic prediction was a Fordham loss.... big time..
                       58-96.....
Hopefully they will be proved wrong... >:D


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: NYRam07 on November 15, 2017, 12:51:08 pm
Seminoles  88    Rams  66

Hoping for better but Chuba has come out of the gate very slowly and we will need the bigs on floor and contributing.

Stay away from the meat patties.

Beef Patties, designer sunglasses, and anything at all that looks like Oregano.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: greenwood on November 15, 2017, 01:12:09 pm
Being one of the top 2-3 games on the entire slate, whichever Ram(s) shows out as delivering in the moment and not shirking from the spotlight becomes our obvious go-to guy(s) from here on.  I'm especially rooting for Tavares and Chartouny to rise up, but whoever wants it is fine by me.  If you fail to compete in this one I will have a hard time trusting you in the A10 games.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: PeterMartin08 on November 15, 2017, 02:02:17 pm
Being one of the top 2-3 games on the entire slate, whichever Ram(s) shows out as delivering in the moment and not shirking from the spotlight becomes our obvious go-to guy(s) from here on.  I'm especially rooting for Tavares and Chartouny to rise up, but whoever wants it is fine by me.  If you fail to compete in this one I will have a hard time trusting you in the A10 games.

I like that. I've been bullish on Evans (maybe I'm a bit early) but I'd count on him and Hicks to be with it in this spot. Lets go.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: El Jefe on November 15, 2017, 03:05:12 pm
If Rams win 1 of 2 this weekend and wind up at 2-2 for the year, I am guessing that the team would be where most posters expected them to be prior to the season opener.  More than 2 wins would be nice, but with the turnover and new faces I would accept a 2-2 start.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: SkipPass71 on November 15, 2017, 03:07:21 pm
Up to the challenge?  Let's see.  A repeat performance by Raut, the man from Montenegro, or as I like to call him, the Balkan Bomber, and the reappearance of the Havsa who did some serious A-10 damage last season would be great for the cause.  JC still seems a little jittery.  BTY if Raut is really what we saw (or close to it) vs LIU, he will be the must see college player in our area and folks will travel to see him.  That type of sharp shooter, who seemed to need very little space to get off his quick release shot, could have played almost anyplace in the country.  When I go to games at Iona, Manhattan and St. John's there always seems to be a lot of local hoops fans who show up.  This, for reasons that have been cited on this board for years, has not been the case at Fordham.  Maybe this could be the year we attract such fans to come and see a special player(s), a good brand of ball and enjoy the unique experience of taking in a game at the historic RHG. Go Rams!


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: drunkle on November 15, 2017, 06:05:27 pm
So scrap what I said, the outside shooting was ok, but it was mostly the bigger vets, Mann, Cofer, and Koumadje doing damage for FSU.  7'4". Slanina will have his hands full.  Only 4 FTs. And 16 TOs.  GW getting used to life without Cavanagh.





Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Rich93 on November 15, 2017, 07:47:54 pm
So scrap what I said, the outside shooting was ok, but it was mostly the bigger vets, Mann, Cofer, and Koumadje doing damage for FSU.  7'4". Slanina will have his hands full.  Only 4 FTs. And 16 TOs.  GW getting used to life without Cavanagh.





Cavanaugh is getting run with Atlanta very underrated player.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: ramfan01 on November 15, 2017, 08:57:12 pm
Cavanaugh is getting run with Atlanta very underrated player.

He's 5/6 on NBA three pointers!! Maybe CS was right to foul him >:(


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: VTRAM on November 16, 2017, 09:03:29 am
Cavanaugh is getting run with Atlanta very underrated player.

Yes I think they will struggle this year. I also think we will see the impact of no Lonergan this year.



Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: ram it 66 on November 16, 2017, 11:37:22 am
Sagarin has our Rams as 19 point dogs.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: pjd on November 16, 2017, 11:44:56 am
some of my fondest memories of Penders teams included close loss to Joe Klein, Alvin Robertson team - Arkansas in Great Alaska Shootout.  Fordham stayed with this team 38 minutes or so and was play or two from pulling it off.

We need all facets of offense defense working to make a ball game of it.

Go Fordham!!


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Vooter on November 16, 2017, 12:24:03 pm
For everyone who wants to see us raining down 3-pt bombs (and I'm absolutely fine with that, if they fall), this is the game to do it...


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Vinseiro2 on November 16, 2017, 01:25:05 pm
BTY if Raut is really what we saw (or close to it) vs LIU, he will be the must see college player in our area and folks will travel to see him.  That type of sharp shooter, who seemed to need very little space to get off his quick release shot, could have played almost anyplace in the country.  

  Is this for real?  Can't wait.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: shortshot on November 16, 2017, 01:46:03 pm
For everyone who wants to see us raining down 3-pt bombs (and I'm absolutely fine with that, if they fall), this is the game to do it...
Agree. We arenít going to get any easy baskets in the paint while FSU likely gets 2 or 3 off their misses. Hit the 3s, force the turnovers and cross your fingers.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: pjd on November 16, 2017, 02:49:21 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Di_5np17m0

Jon Isaac 5th ranked nba prospect
Seminoles only shorter than tallest nba squad Bucks


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: PeterMartin08 on November 16, 2017, 03:16:06 pm
A repeat performance by Raut, the man from Montenegro, or as I like to call him, the Balkan Bomber, and the reappearance of the Havsa who did some serious A-10 damage last season would be great for the cause.  JC still seems a little jittery.  BTY if Raut is really what we saw (or close to it) vs LIU, he will be the must see college player in our area and folks will travel to see him.  That type of sharp shooter, who seemed to need very little space to get off his quick release shot, could have played almost anyplace in the country.  

This is so embarrassingly delusional, please stop it.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: SIram on November 16, 2017, 03:45:04 pm
I saw about 10 minutes of the second half and GW had some good moments creating open 3's and points off drives

There is no doubt FSU is bigger and more athletic than us and we will need to play really well to beat them but they are not a perfect team and can fall asleep on D

Hoping for an upset win but being realistic


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: VTRAM on November 16, 2017, 04:14:02 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Di_5np17m0

Jon Isaac 5th ranked nba prospect
Seminoles only shorter than tallest nba squad Bucks

Jon Isaac plays for the Orlando Magic.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: pjd on November 16, 2017, 04:24:01 pm
& Leonard Hamilton is 68 - old man not capable of coaching anymore


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: SkipPass71 on November 16, 2017, 08:17:46 pm
This is so embarrassingly delusional, please stop it.
I'm not sure if you were at the LIU game, but the first six shots Mr. Raut took were truly astounding.  As Bill Raferty wound say, they "tickled the twine", "nothing but nylon."  I stick by my statement: small sample not withstanding, if he is anything close to this eye-popping display then LOOK OUT!  He will have to be accounted for and this will open up all sorts of other things for the Rams.

BTY, his seventh shot wasn't nearly as good as the first six.  You see, it only got halfway down before spinning out.  Let's see.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: vinnys on November 16, 2017, 09:43:27 pm
line is currently   14  1/2      Vegas also lists time change to 6 PM tip rather than 6:30   CBS confirms


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: hermanbricks on November 17, 2017, 01:12:04 am
some of my fondest memories of Penders teams included close loss to Joe Klein, Alvin Robertson team - Arkansas in Great Alaska Shootout.  Fordham stayed with this team 38 minutes or so and was play or two from pulling it off.

We need all facets of offense defense working to make a ball game of it.

Go Fordham!!
Joe Kleine. A fond memory? He wishes that he could forget his OWN career.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 07:48:04 am
Well, same theme, they have bigs.  Slanina, Ohams, Bunting have got to stay out of foul trouble early or it will be a Raut.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: ram20220 on November 17, 2017, 10:03:28 am
A10Talk's preview of the game tonight:

Quote
Fordham vs Florida State

This is a huge step up in competition for the Rams, who opened the season against Miami (OH) and LIU Brooklyn. For Fordham to pull the upset, Chartouny is going to have to be huge, both offensively and defensively.

That being said, the Seminoles only return one starter, Terrance Mann. Mann has taken over the role as the playmaker for the Noles, and Fordham will look to try to stop him.

Itís possible Fordham could catch FSU sleeping, but for now I just donít think they have the talent to beat a team on the front-half of the ACC.

My prediction: Fordham 61, Florida State 85

http://www.a10talk.com/atlantic-10-friday-preview-predictions-2/


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: drunkle on November 17, 2017, 10:06:11 am
Joe Kleine. A fond memory? He wishes that he could forget his OWN career.


15 years making NBA money?  I bet the only thing he wishes is that he was born 15 years later and was making the money scrubs make today.

His highest career salary was 1.235 million.

But when he was 38 in the summer of 2000, and retired, his agent called and said the Trailblazers wanted to sign him for $1.2 million and trade him with Jermaine O'Neal to the Pacers for Dale Davis.  He thought it was a joke.  The trade went through and the Pacers immediately waived him.  He owned a barbecue and rib joint in Little Rock, and sent the Pacers a care package of ribs.

He also won a gold medal with the 1984 US Olympic team (pre-Dream Team).  I'm sure he recalls his career fondly.

BTW, Miami of Ohio beat Wright State, which was a decent team last year.  I wish them many more wins on the year.  They looked awful against us, just slightly less awful, but whatever helps the old RPI.

Saint Louis had a big win last night, against Virginia Tech.  The A-10 needed someone to step up (Davidson looks like the offense is primed, putting up 100+ again in stomping UNC-W).  Time to take down another ACC team.
    


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: John on November 17, 2017, 10:16:51 am
Win or lose, this is a statement game that will let the team show what it's about. If FSU comes off the court knowing and feeling that they've been in a fight, we've done our job.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: drunkle on November 17, 2017, 12:19:36 pm
Win or lose, this is a statement game that will let the team show what it's about. If FSU comes off the court knowing and feeling that they've been in a fight, we've done our job.

Turn them over a ton (I think they are vulnerable there), protect the ball, keep it respectable on the glass, guard like dogs, make shots.

https://twitter.com/FordhamRams/status/931550711376117761


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: pjd on November 17, 2017, 05:38:31 pm
Joseph Chartouny  Show (Scouts) What  You Are Young Man  O0


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 06:12:36 pm
there are more people in my kitchen than at this game. it looks like an old charlie rose interview.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: ramfan01 on November 17, 2017, 06:26:32 pm
there are more people in my kitchen than at this game. it looks like an old charlie rose interview.

Advantage Fordham!! We are used to these kind of crowds ;D


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: The Grinch on November 17, 2017, 06:30:04 pm
Men against boys


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: southcarolinaram on November 17, 2017, 06:34:06 pm
Way too many turnovers, too many missed free throws, and 0 for 3 from 3 point range. Not good.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 06:35:59 pm
Chartouny plays soft. He actually sucks now. Go play pro in Afghanistan, play like a man my god. What a feline. Play hard or leave we dont need you.

 


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Vooter on November 17, 2017, 06:54:30 pm
Coaches going bowling later?


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 06:58:49 pm
Chartouny stinks. Sit his ass down. Go play pro in some 3rd world country cause right now you suck.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: ramfan01 on November 17, 2017, 06:59:07 pm
Chartouny plays soft. He actually sucks now. Go play pro in Afghanistan, play like a man my god. What a feline. Play hard or leave we dont need you.

He is playing like a walk in the park sit this chump.  This team sucks.

1-6 from the line and misses wide open three to end half.  He's been terrible this season


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 07:03:36 pm
Chartouny sucks. He should have left. Typical Pecora guy, some talent, play soft, get worse. Leave now.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: alanccrx on November 17, 2017, 07:07:02 pm
U G L Y.... to say the least.... Fordham can not shoot...little size...can not rebound...free throw shooting is BAD!...ball control? what ball control?  Watching this team is really difficult....doubt team will hit my 58 point prediction...hope team is enjoying weather though... >:D


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Richie68 on November 17, 2017, 07:07:24 pm
Losing by 17.  15 Turnovers, missed 7 free throws out of 12 attempts, shooting 26% overall with only 1 3 pointer.  Yeah, we're losing by 17. QED.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 07:09:31 pm
I blame Chartouny. He appears to not want to be here. Sit him down, now. Go play for some pro team in Diareahstan. No effort.  You want to be a fat lazy white guy, join the rebounders club. Thyis guy is killing this team, sit him down, play havsa.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 07:18:50 pm
CYO-touney.,


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 07:23:54 pm
Disgrace.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Belmont Juice on November 17, 2017, 07:24:48 pm
Can we hit anything?


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Vooter on November 17, 2017, 07:25:08 pm
Okay, then...I'm going out...


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: ram64 on November 17, 2017, 07:29:20 pm
A real sleeper - wake me when it's over. FG 19% 3ptr 8% FT 50% Turnovers 19.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 07:31:21 pm
Raut stinks too couldnt hit the broad side of a barn.  this team blows.....not men.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: w89 on November 17, 2017, 07:32:57 pm
With FSU's length, can we stop with the interior bounce passes?


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: w89 on November 17, 2017, 07:35:00 pm
We could hold them to 70 and still lose by 40


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 07:37:49 pm
 This team stinks, they have zero heart any no gonads. Disgrace.  Passive wusses. How do you play like this? And Hicks is beyond terrible he freaking stinks.  Taveras is our only real player. feel bad for him, taveras shows up and goes hard to hoop. 


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: southcarolinaram on November 17, 2017, 07:45:22 pm
Is Chuba there? Where was Evans for the first 10 minutes of the 2nd half?


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 07:46:17 pm
Chuba has not played.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 07:47:49 pm
Its ok to be over matched  been there as a player and as a coach.  what Im seeing is garbage effort, utter garbage,. Chartouny is a disgrace. go back to Canada.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 07:53:27 pm
I'm not sure if you were at the LIU game, but the first six shots Mr. Raut took were truly astounding.  As Bill Raferty wound say, they "tickled the twine", "nothing but nylon."  I stick by my statement: small sample not withstanding, if he is anything close to this eye-popping display then LOOK OUT!  He will have to be accounted for and this will open up all sorts of other things for the Rams.

BTY, his seventh shot wasn't nearly as good as the first six.  You see, it only got halfway down before spinning out.  Let's see.

You need to be institutionlized.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 07:56:18 pm
Can Tre evans do anything?  How over-rated is this guy?


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 07:57:59 pm
Perris Hicks is terrible. Just awful.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: ramfan01 on November 17, 2017, 08:02:23 pm
Perris Hicks is terrible. Just awful.

I agree with you on JC, but of all the players to pick on for this gross performance Hicks is not at the top of my list. 


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 08:02:55 pm
Hicks does nothing out there just nothing. 1-19 from 3, what a joke. This is not even basketball. At least Taveras can play.  Soft players. Joke.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Belmont Juice on November 17, 2017, 08:06:19 pm
Who was it who said we won't see 12% 3-pt. shooting again? Wrong. Well actually right, because they're barely shooting 5%! Geez!


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: ram64 on November 17, 2017, 08:06:32 pm
WFUV announcer said Ohams injured.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: SkipPass71 on November 17, 2017, 08:06:58 pm
WOW-some pretty harsh comments here.  FSU doesn't look particularly good, but as for Fordham, in the words of the late, great Richard Pryor, and in a totally different context: "We bad!"
Let's see...we do have much better Unis than them.  I was considering hitting the STOP and then the ERASE buttons on my DVR-you know, to keep the evidence to a minimum, but just in case Keith Richards shows with a few riffs I don't want to miss it.

Playing field should be a little more level next game.  For now, we're making the final result look a little better, but I'm going for a cold one...or two.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 08:07:35 pm
tre evans is a flipping joke. beyond over-rated. 


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: joeb on November 17, 2017, 08:19:47 pm
You need to be institutionlized.
Subtle


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 08:20:24 pm
read his post.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: SkipPass71 on November 17, 2017, 08:22:50 pm
You need to be institutionlized.
Hey 85, you just had to drag that up, didn't you!  We'll based on what just transpired, you're right, I should be!  Hey wait, there are two big guys in white coats coming  up my front steps looking for someone described as "delusional"-gotta go.....fast!


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 08:24:28 pm
Hey 85, you just had to drag that up, didn't you!  We'll based on what just transpired, you're right, I should be!  Hey wait, there are two big guys in white coats coming  up my front steps looking for someone described as "delusional"-gotta go.....fast!

No worries, we watch fordham. We all should be institutionlized.  Hey i watched from tip to horn tonight.  Its what we do.  You think it was easy to keep channel 215 on at the bar?


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: alanccrx on November 17, 2017, 08:27:30 pm
Sad to watch....A performance worthy of nothing!..If this "game play" is typical of what this team can do....8 wins if they are lucky...
B A D is not the word to describe this game....Knowing Fordham expect Coach to get a 10 year extension tomorrow.... W O W !!
Recruiting is a ZERO!!!
                                              


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: ramwatcher on November 17, 2017, 08:30:40 pm
Played under 64 team total for Fordham


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: JohnG92 on November 17, 2017, 08:34:45 pm
Shot 23% from the floor, including 1 - 22 from 3.

Holding them to 67 points seems solid though.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Richie68 on November 17, 2017, 08:35:31 pm
Yeah, we can't shoot and look like hell, but for all those people on this board that keep saying "the game has changed , you don't really need that big center inside.  Really!  Take a look at this game.  Yes, we looked bad, but a lot of that had to do with the fact that they had a 7' and a 7'4" guy in the middle, who altered shots, blocked shots, rebounded, got put backs.  Their guards were big and they dominated us like we were a pickup team.  The game is the game.  If you have taller and more athletic players, you will probably dominate the other team.  

But their size wasn't the whole story.  We had no answers, except maybe Tavares, who of all our players, is the most athletic and has some size at 6'6".  Chartouny has played horribly.  For one thing, how do you miss 5 out of 6 free throws in the first half?  Raut missed every 3 pointer he took.  Evans looks lost out there.  Cavit Havsa is a turnover machine and can't score. Pekarek got in for 1 minute and turned over the ball.  Hicks, to me wasn't that bad, at least driving and getting to the line.  For a team as a whole, turnovers galore.  There really is no excuse for, what was it, 1 for 22 from 3 point land?  

If a team is built on shooting the 3, then you've got to be able to do it at a decent percentage.  We've seen 3 games, and IMO, we can't shoot the 3 at a decent percentage.  Florida State is a good team, but if we want to beat the Manhattan's and the Duquesne's, we better figure out just what kind of strategy we should employ with this bunch.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 17, 2017, 08:37:29 pm
evans stinks. maybe the most overrated recruit i have ever seen at fordham..


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: vinnys on November 17, 2017, 09:02:13 pm
obviously, a horrible performance and reminds us where we remain as a program.  with a coach that emphasizes the 3s, I assume we practice them big time, yet we have been 1 for 22 and 3 for 24 in 2 of our 3 games. I totally agree that the game has changed but size and rebounding still matter big time.

would stay off JCs back for a while, has given us 2 good seasons, and along with TPs other recruits, has given JN a near 500 record. he had 11 boards and 4 steals today.  aside from Hawkins, who has JN brought in / retained ?   

many games left but this is starting to look all too familiar


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Belmont Juice on November 17, 2017, 09:11:20 pm
Exactly Richie. I mentioned our lack of a center several weeks ago on the board and heard nothing but "you don't need a center anymore, the game has changed, the A-10 is a guard-oriented team", blah, blah, blah. Really? Put a big guy down there who is fast (to complement our style) and see what happens when our shooters pull a no-show like they did (again) tonight. When one thing isn't working, you go to the other. Except (oops!) when you don't even have the other, the result is what happened tonight. Not that we were going to win anyway, but we could have at least showed up bros. That was embarrassing.

I'm not that familiar with JN's style of play, but it's easy to tell that it won't work if you don't have fast, stellar shooters. Well, we don't.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: BuckeyeRAM on November 17, 2017, 09:14:58 pm
Rough shooting night for Fordham. My prediction before the game was 82-62 FSU after seeing FSU destroy GW 87-67 a few days ago. I actually felt the effort was there especially defensively (we took numerous charges) and rebounding wise (37) but 1-22 shooting from 3 point range and 23 turnovers on only 3 assists is really bad. I know FSU's defense, size, length, and athleticism had something to do with it but there is still no excuse for that kind of shooting and for that amount of turnovers. These guys need to hit the gym and really practice their 3 point shooting and work on protecting the ball. Rout was 0-6 from 3 point range and had 5 turnovers, Evans was 1-7 from the floor with 3 to's, JC was 1-7 from the floor and only took two 3's the whole game, Havsa was 0-3 in 3 pointers including 2 air-balls and he had 4 turnovers too.  This is a game where we really missed the 3 point shooting of Sengfelder and Anderson who are shooting the lights out from 3 point range after there first couple of games for their new teams which are undefeated. We also miss AA's ball handling, speed, and athleticism.

There were a couple of bright spots tonight that we can take way from this game. Tavares has really improved his game and was really quick, fearless, and solid in attacking and driving to the basket, and finishing strong! Taveres lead all scorers tonight with 18 points and was 7-15 in field goals. He had 5 rebounds and is a good re-bounder too. Fordham did a great job of rebounding tonight despite FSU having two 7 footers. Fordham had 37 rebounds to FSU's 39 and we had 14 offensive rebounds. Fordham's defense played well despite FSU's size advantage. FSU normally scores 86-90 points a game and our defense held them to 67 points. We didn't give up or quit even after falling behind 50-22. We went on a 21-11 run to cut the score to 61-43 at one point. Also, we were only down 22-16 with 5 minutes to go in the 1st Half. Bunting battled when he was in there and had 3 rebounds, 2 points, a steal, and a block. Slanina had an off night shooting but had 5 off rebounds, 2 steals, and a block. JC was off with his shooting tonight but he did give a good effort in terms of rebounding (He had 11 rebounds/3 off and was the leading re-bounder for the game plus he had 4 steals (most in the game). He was not aggressive enough in terms of shooting more and looking to score more. He only took 1 or 2 shots the whole 2nd half. We need JC to score more points. Hopefully we will shoot better next game and beat Tulane Sunday night to get a split in Jamaica.



Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: FU85 on November 17, 2017, 09:19:33 pm
85,
     Can't let this stuff make you crazy. I just think we are not that good and it's gonna take time to improve. We had no shot against FSU. They are bigger, stronger and better. The Miami loss bothered me a lot more than this. We just need to have a good practice and be ready to play Tulane. As for players not caring or not playing hard, that is our coaches responsibility to have these guys ready and if they are not ready then sit their ass. I'm worried about this years team but I believe the potential is there to be solid next year. With Tulane, Manhattan and Harvard coming up we better get our act together. Also, I hope your not right about Evans being most over rated you have ever seen at FU because there was lots of high hopes for him.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: fholbr on November 17, 2017, 09:21:44 pm
The game was tough to watch. A number of our players (JC, Evans Havas) are not playing well.  The A10 looks very weak this year. ST Louis is getting smoked by Providence. Dayton lost to Hofstra. If FU can not improve their conference record, then a coaching change is warranted. The one JN comment that blew my mind was at the A10 media day when he said he did not realize that recruiting was so important.  


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: RAM71 on November 17, 2017, 09:29:51 pm
The one JN comment that blew my mind was at the A10 media day when he said he did not realize that recruiting was so important.  

He actually said that? Wow.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: ace93 on November 17, 2017, 09:41:32 pm
85,
     Can't let this stuff make you crazy.

Too late. Did you read his posts in this thread?

And he tells someone else they should be institutionalized. Precious.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: fholbr on November 17, 2017, 09:52:14 pm
He actually said that? Wow.
I went back and listened to the interview again. He actually said that recruiting was the key to winning at FU. He said he has been recruiting in Europe and now is concentrating on recruiting HS seniors. My issue here really is I think the staff was not prepared to recruit HS seniors last year - lost out on a number of targets and had to scramble to get Evans and Raut. It looks like things are better with the 2 early signings this year.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: greenwood on November 17, 2017, 10:31:47 pm
I'm pretty happy with our defense. When you're that abysmal offensively it's really hard to sustain defensive effort, we did have a few more breakdowns as the game went on but in general that half of the game was really high level.  Some nitpicking there would be unnecessary reach-ins by Hicks, and Tavares getting caught up high too often, though I'm sure guarding a seven footer wasn't his idea of a fun day.

So, the offense.  A few cardinal sins each occurred multiple times today.  Don't act like you're going to set a screen and then decide not to, that's damn confusing for the ballhandler.  Don't dump the ball to one of your guards in the forest on the baseline unless there's a really good plan what to do next. And if you're too psyched out to shoot straight, give it up to those that aren't (only 2 guys fell in that category).

I make a distinction between psyched out and intimidated - I didn't see anyone who played scared, but a good amount of confusion and hopelessness. Still unacceptable but much more curable.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: floridaram94 on November 17, 2017, 10:45:36 pm
Iím not sure what everyone was expecting today. We were grossly outmanned. I liked our defense today. Tavares and I think it was Evans drove to the basket several times.  Hard to fault some of the guys when youíre taking it in against a 7í4Ē guy swatting shots out of the gym.

Their team was taller and faster.   Yeah we couldíve banged down a few more 3s and a few less turnovers and it might have been a little closer. 

From what I saw today I would predict a .500 record for the year.  Middle of the pack in the A10.



Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: ace93 on November 17, 2017, 11:05:56 pm
I'm pretty happy with our defense. When you're that abysmal offensively it's really hard to sustain defensive effort, we did have a few more breakdowns as the game went on but in general that half of the game was really high level.  Some nitpicking there would be unnecessary reach-ins by Hicks, and Tavares getting caught up high too often, though I'm sure guarding a seven footer wasn't his idea of a fun day.

So, the offense.  A few cardinal sins each occurred multiple times today.  Don't act like you're going to set a screen and then decide not to, that's damn confusing for the ballhandler.  Don't dump the ball to one of your guards in the forest on the baseline unless there's a really good plan what to do next. And if you're too psyched out to shoot straight, give it up to those that aren't (only 2 guys fell in that category).

I make a distinction between psyched out and intimidated - I didn't see anyone who played scared, but a good amount of confusion and hopelessness. Still unacceptable but much more curable.

Were they slipping screens too early or just not setting them? On the subject of screens, I feel our guards don't use them very well. They don't get close enough to the guy setting the screen, so it is too easy for the defender to get past the screen and stick with the guard.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: RAM71 on November 17, 2017, 11:08:10 pm
From what I saw today I would predict a .500 record for the year.  Middle of the pack in the A10.


I hope you are correct. But I think you are a little too optimistic based on what we have seen so far.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: vinnys on November 17, 2017, 11:08:22 pm
Iím not sure what everyone was expecting today. We were grossly outmanned. I liked our defense today. Tavares and I think it was Evans drove to the basket several times.  Hard to fault some of the guys when youíre taking it in against a 7í4Ē guy swatting shots out of the gym.

Their team was taller and faster.   Yeah we couldíve banged down a few more 3s and a few less turnovers and it might have been a little closer. 

From what I saw today I would predict a .500 record for the year.  Middle of the pack in the A10.



thats exactly the mindset we should reject      most long term fans were expecting exactly what we saw today, including me    after 22 -23 years in the A10, the goal is NCAA, not " their team was taller and faster "    get the players and compete  or move on  


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: greenwood on November 17, 2017, 11:17:28 pm
Were they slipping screens too early or just not setting them? On the subject of screens, I feel our guards don't use them very well. They don't get close enough to the guy setting the screen, so it is too easy for the defender to get past the screen and stick with the guard.

Raut does not seem to know how to set a screen. Evans seemed to be looking to use screens and guys would get in his way, namely Chartouny.  I think Evans has a plan out there more often than not, so wanted to blame Chartouny, but really I don't know whose fault it was.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: PeterMartin08 on November 17, 2017, 11:59:32 pm
Raut does not seem to know how to set a screen. Evans seemed to be looking to use screens and guys would get in his way, namely Chartouny.  I think Evans has a plan out there more often than not, so wanted to blame Chartouny, but really I don't know whose fault it was.

Evans has more skill than Chartouny. The guile and anticipation that has served JC well may have been left in his "Draft process" declaration. It's early, but he may be ready for Marseilles more than we had anticipated.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 18, 2017, 05:44:52 am
Maybe when coach said if you have an open shot, you have the green light to take it, he was referring to tequila?

 


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: drunkle on November 18, 2017, 08:18:33 am
thats exactly the mindset we should reject      most long term fans were expecting exactly what we saw today, including me    after 22 -23 years in the A10, the goal is NCAA, not " their team was taller and faster "    get the players and compete  or move on  

Florida State is routinely one of the biggest teams in the country.  And we rebounded fine.

We turned them over. But way too many turnovers of our own. And we shot horribly. They weren't all that good from 3 either.  The FUV guys said the stadium and lighting made for tough shooting, although unguarded they nailed them in practice.

The Miami loss makes this tougher to take. The D seems fine.  But with so many guards you'd think we could handle the ball and shoot a little.  Still think we can be pretty good but they obviously need to get used to each other.  Taveras was a beast.  Tulane is not as tough a task.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: RamFan78 on November 18, 2017, 08:26:00 am
Iím not sure what everyone was expecting today. We were grossly outmanned. I liked our defense today. Tavares and I think it was Evans drove to the basket several times.  Hard to fault some of the guys when youíre taking it in against a 7í4Ē guy swatting shots out of the gym.

Their team was taller and faster.   Yeah we couldíve banged down a few more 3s and a few less turnovers and it might have been a little closer. 

From what I saw today I would predict a .500 record for the year.  Middle of the pack in the A10.


We shot 1-22 from 3 point range. That was worse than the Miami game which didn't see possible. Once okay, twice getting a bit concerned.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: drunkle on November 18, 2017, 08:36:27 am
We shot 1-22 from 3 point range. That was worse than the Miami game which didn't see possible. Once okay, twice getting a bit concerned.

Tied them in the shot battle. Both teams took 52 fg and 25 FTs. Could have won that battle but we turned it over a ton. And not just due to FSU defense it seemed.  But you have to make 3s.  JC made them last year, especially in conference.  Taveras, Evans and Hicks all made them in junior college.  And seems like they had open ones. The basket height and distance are the same.  Start making them.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 18, 2017, 08:38:38 am
I dont see any attendance listed but it seemed like there were about 100 fans there. What is the point of going to this place ?


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: kenman on November 18, 2017, 09:25:25 am
While we had zero chance driving - except Tavares - guards would often drive and then pass out for an open 3. Sadly, no one could hit these open threes, no one. And, as has been pointed out, JC's foul shooting is a real concern. Leaving his 3/8 out, we actually hit 15/17!


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: floridaram94 on November 18, 2017, 09:33:04 am
thats exactly the mindset we should reject      most long term fans were expecting exactly what we saw today, including me    after 22 -23 years in the A10, the goal is NCAA, not " their team was taller and faster "    get the players and compete  or move on  

I donít completely disagree with this.  I am talking what my expectations were when I turned the game on yesterday not as towards the program as a whole.  I was looking for good defensive which they gave and to protect the ball which we did not.  FSUs speed and height is what killed us. Hard to hit highly contested shots and even open looks did not look comfortable as a result.

There were definitely negatives yesterday(turnovers and missed free throws) but again I wasnít anticipating a close game. 

I will admit I am an overly optimistic person in general which is what makes it tough to be a Fordham Menís Basketball fan.

Go Rams!


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Rich93 on November 18, 2017, 10:14:51 am
1-22 from 3 23 turnovers.  Fsu had 9 blocks.  Not our best effort but it was a happy hour game so the beers and wings made it easy to ignore after the first half. 


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 18, 2017, 10:17:18 am
What was higher, your BAC or the shooting percentage from three?  ::)  Question is rhetorical if asked of me.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: VTRAM on November 18, 2017, 11:15:06 am
What did people expect out of this game. A 20 point game is pretty much what I expected. That is a good defensive team and a terrible match-up for us. We looked terrible on offense but a lot of that was FSU's length and athleticism.

JN's team's always get better and this team will continue to improve. I think we already are pretty good on defense. That was a decent effort last night turning them over and rotating to draw charges. IT was a terrible match-up for us on the other side of the court. We like to play a slow pace and work the clock. That is tough to do when every pass is tough and they are challenging every shot.

Tulane is a much better match-up. Let's go out and win.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: bronxboy10 on November 18, 2017, 11:23:49 am
What did people expect out of this game.

I expected that we would shoot better than 1 for 22 from 3. FSU is big inside, you would think Coach might have told the team "hey guys- we likely will take a lot of perimeter shots in this game- come ready to drain those 3s"

1 for 22...jeez   :-\



Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: KPW on November 18, 2017, 11:37:02 am
...  But with so many guards you'd think we could handle the ball and shoot a little.  ...

Nail on head.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Vinseiro2 on November 18, 2017, 11:52:04 am
Too late. Did you read his posts in this thread?

And he tells someone else they should be institutionalized. Precious.

   I thought his comments were spot on, just with a little added color. 


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: RamFan78 on November 18, 2017, 11:54:02 am
Iím not sure what everyone was expecting today. We were grossly outmanned. I liked our defense today. Tavares and I think it was Evans drove to the basket several times.  Hard to fault some of the guys when youíre taking it in against a 7í4Ē guy swatting shots out of the gym.

Their team was taller and faster.   Yeah we couldíve banged down a few more 3s and a few less turnovers and it might have been a little closer. 

From what I saw today I would predict a .500 record for the year.  Middle of the pack in the A10.



Bottom line is it would be nice to be competitive in games like this. I was not expecting to win but if even if we end up losing by double digits at the end if we could have hung around for a half or even the first 30 minutes that would have been fine. But after basically 10 minutes there was no game. this time of year teams play in tournaments and play up in some of their OOC games. Sure they lose but some games are respectable and competitive for part of the game. It would be nice to see us do it for once. heck even Stoney Brook led UConn by 9 with 5 minutes to go although they eventually lost. But there was a game to watch.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Vinseiro2 on November 18, 2017, 12:00:12 pm
   It's very difficult to shoot 3-24 from 3s in a game, only to follow up shortly with a 1-22 showing.  And that's in CYO.

   We have shooters in the low 30% on 3s.  I don't expect them to improve much by this stage. 

   We have several non-A10 caliber players on our roster.  Recruiting must pick up significantly.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Rich93 on November 18, 2017, 12:10:26 pm
Horrible matchup for us.  Evans is 3 games into his college career give him some time to get going.  Chartouny needs to get his ass in gear.  He is a junior talked about going pro ok I am fine with that but time to produce.  The declarations of lack of talent were made last year as well the team got it together as the year went on.  Will that happen this year?   I do not know but I am not going nuts over game 3 loss to an ACC team.

Carry on.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: ace93 on November 18, 2017, 12:31:03 pm
   I thought his comments were spot on, just with a little added color. 

The repetitiveness was wholly unnecessary.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: VTRAM on November 18, 2017, 12:46:55 pm
Horrible matchup for us.  Evans is 3 games into his college career give him some time to get going.  Chartouny needs to get his ass in gear.  He is a junior talked about going pro ok I am fine with that but time to produce.  The declarations of lack of talent were made last year as well the team got it together as the year went on.  Will that happen this year?   I do not know but I am not going nuts over game 3 loss to an ACC team.

Carry on.

+1. This game exposed all our weaknesses and sped up our less experienced players. This team will get better shooting and handling the ball. Everything was out of sync last night and much of that is due to defensive pressure of FSU.

Newsflash we aren't ready to compete in the ACC yet. Luckily we don't have to.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 18, 2017, 12:49:26 pm
Pretty much everyone here had this one penciled in as a 20 point loss. But the stat line is alarming. Obviously, Tulane is a much better gauge of where the team is.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Vooter on November 18, 2017, 01:18:14 pm
+1. This game exposed all our weaknesses and sped up our less experienced players. This team will get better shooting and handling the ball. Everything was out of sync last night and much of that is due to defensive pressure of FSU.

Newsflash we aren't ready to compete in the ACC yet. Luckily we don't have to.

Yeah, I agree. The shooting percentages (and, to a lesser extent, the turnovers) were pretty unacceptable, but otherwise I don't think it's time to push the panic button. A 24-point loss to a large, long ACC team (in a weird setting, and with weird uniforms, no less) is not particularly surprising (and don't forget, they went on like a 13-2 run to end the game). Honestly, what do you think we're going to do against WVU and Rutgers? Give the FU players at least a little time to gel...


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 18, 2017, 01:26:32 pm
I think for folks of my era, we never expected to beat these sort of teams. But it always seemed like with Penders and Nick, we were tied at the half or close late until they pulled away. The past decade or more, we simply get absolutely annihilated in these games, and every year it seems like its a more embarrassing effort. Do I expect us to beat Florida State, no. Do I expect us to have a respectable, A-10 worthy showing, yes.  These games aren't just losses, they are total and complete meltdowns.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: Rich93 on November 18, 2017, 01:33:31 pm
I think for folks of my era, we never expected to beat these sort of teams. But it always seemed like with Penders and Nick, we were tied at the half or close late until they pulled away. The past decade or more, we simply get absolutely annihilated in these games, and every year it seems like its a more embarrassing effort. Do I expect us to beat Florida State, no. Do I expect us to have a respectable, A-10 worthy showing, yes.  These games aren't just losses, they are total and complete meltdowns.

Fair point but to take this game declare guys stink donít want to play etc is jumping off the ledge. We were here last year and we improved as the year went on. There are troubling signs but there has been a big overreaction in my opinion. 


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 85 on November 18, 2017, 01:37:00 pm
Fair point but to take this game declare guys stink donít want to play etc is jumping off the ledge. We were here last year and we improved as the year went on. There are troubling signs but there has been a big overreaction in my opinion. 

In fairness, I had been drinking, and persuaded the owner to have the game on all of the televisions. 

I just dont see the effort in these big time games. Its like they go into them as a foregone conclusion. Maybe the talent gap has grown over the years but I dont see guys licking their chops with the chance to pull an upset and get a little national notoriety.  I'm old, from another era. We played NC and Hobbie and McIntosh were playing like animals, up at the half. SJU was #1 team in nation and we lost by 1 point. I think Goran broke Bill Wenningtons ribs with his elbows.  I remember Parotta squaring off with Matt Rust during an OT loss to SJU. That bite, that mentality seems lost in these games.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: 71 on November 18, 2017, 01:51:50 pm
The most troubling thing to me is not effort, rebounding, etc. It is that the guys who are relied upon to score are not good enough shooters within the scheme that the coach runs.  He wants to play aggressive trapping defense and then look for the 3 on offense. We do not seem to have reliable 3 point shooters.  Without being able to hit that 3 consistently, the rest of the thing falls apart.

We had the same issue last year, and we last some guys who actually could put down a 3 once in a while.  Now through the last 2 games, the new guys have not shown they are up to it. If they can turn that around, then something may develop. If not, another long season looms.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: ace93 on November 18, 2017, 02:15:52 pm
In fairness, I had been drinking, and persuaded the owner to have the game on all of the televisions. 

I just dont see the effort in these big time games. Its like they go into them as a foregone conclusion. Maybe the talent gap has grown over the years but I dont see guys licking their chops with the chance to pull an upset and get a little national notoriety.  I'm old, from another era. We played NC and Hobbie and McIntosh were playing like animals, up at the half. SJU was #1 team in nation and we lost by 1 point. I think Goran broke Bill Wenningtons ribs with his elbows.  I remember Parotta squaring off with Matt Rust during an OT loss to SJU. That bite, that mentality seems lost in these games.

I think the talent gap thing has something to do with it. As you like to point out, there are too many DI teams these days and therefore too many scholarships to go around.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: RamFan78 on November 18, 2017, 03:01:45 pm
I think for folks of my era, we never expected to beat these sort of teams. But it always seemed like with Penders and Nick, we were tied at the half or close late until they pulled away. The past decade or more, we simply get absolutely annihilated in these games, and every year it seems like its a more embarrassing effort. Do I expect us to beat Florida State, no. Do I expect us to have a respectable, A-10 worthy showing, yes.  These games aren't just losses, they are total and complete meltdowns.

The same point I was trying to make above but you said it better.


Title: Re: Fordham vs. Florida State (Montego Bay) - 11/17/17
Post by: CTRAM on November 18, 2017, 08:21:55 pm
What is with Fordham and not being able to recruit someone who can shoot the ball?