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1  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Not sure how people think this was a good season on: March 21, 2017, 03:13:06 pm
Deserves our thanks is a bit much...  He's one of the worst players on the court in recent memory.  All the things you describe above, should be a given when you get a scholarship!  If not, you better be really good (i.e. Allen Iverson)

Not every kid on scholarship is going to be a big time player (or has to be). I don't know why people are picking on the guy. I was impressed with his attitude and on-ball defense.
2  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Not sure how people think this was a good season on: March 20, 2017, 03:15:10 pm
The coaches were tasked with replacing Thomas and Rhoomes, a had a couple of injuries, lost a couple of possible contributors to transfer, and a recruit that didn't up materializing.

It took a while for our team to get its footing. The talent level still needs improvement, but I'm pleased with what we were able to do defensively. We don't have a team of freak athletes, but played effective defense with intensity and heart. At the risk of sounding like a Met fan, we're only a couple of pieces away from being a pretty good team. I'd give the team and coaches decent marks.
3  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: RHG renovations on: March 13, 2017, 11:22:11 am
Let's face it, no one cares about us fans. They think we don't donate because we don't care. Speaking for myself, I don't donate because I refuse to endorse such tomfoolery.

Instead of just venting on here, someone should draft a letter to McShane and BoT and create an online petition for people to sign. I can't say it will accomplish anything, but it will get read. The only people who are having their voices heard are the ones writing the checks (even though it's only $2.5 million, which is a joke). There are many passionate, but extremely frustrated Fordham fans, but we should be better organized in order to best lobby for positive change.
4  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: RHG renovations on: March 10, 2017, 01:52:38 pm
Just read the article about the RHG renovation for the first time. This tells you all you need to know about the $2.5m project (of which not all will go to RHG improvements, but to travel expenses as well).

"The prospective changes offer the most significant renovation to date for the 92-year-old, 3,200-seat gym, which has had several small-scale upgrades over the last 15 years."

The article continues about Mr. McLaughlin - "He recruited first-rate coaches who understood that being a good athlete and a good student were not mutually exclusive"


Nothing personal against Mr. McLaughlin, but trying not to vomit all over my keyboard on both counts.

http://news.fordham.edu/athletics/mclaughlin-family-court-to-herald-future-of-fordham-athletics/
5  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham George Mason Pre/In/Post Game Thread Thursday 6 pm NBCSN on: March 09, 2017, 08:24:27 pm
Not sure if this is right, but Moore has 19 boards, we as a team have 22. George Mason had 17 offensive rebounds (including one in the final seconds of regulation that killed us).
6  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham George Mason Pre/In/Post Game Thread Thursday 6 pm NBCSN on: March 09, 2017, 08:18:06 pm
We are totally out of sorts. Poor shot selection, missed FT's, poor defense.
7  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham George Mason Pre/In/Post Game Thread Thursday 6 pm NBCSN on: March 09, 2017, 08:15:35 pm
Defense has looked very weak in the OT..
8  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham George Mason Pre/In/Post Game Thread Thursday 6 pm NBCSN on: March 09, 2017, 08:08:02 pm
How many FT's have they taken? Are you serious?
9  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Duquesne - 2/22, 7pm - Pre-Game/In-Game Thread on: February 24, 2017, 11:18:58 am
There were essentially two posters and only two who were not hitting panic buttons. Joe the Sailing Guy and VT.  Most others were expressing concern or disappeared during the 9 of 10 losing streak, only to re-appear and claim they told us so, when they didnt. .

I was firmly in the "no panic" zone as well. We had posters making fun of JN's eating habits, advocating for the AD to get involved in every decision, criticizing assistant coaches, suggesting our players didn't have the heart to play in the A-10, and even making bizarre recommendations for our next head coach. (really? Norm Roberts?).


85, it might be a "year to year" world now for certain programs, but we can't play the year-to-year game and win. There aren't many programs like ours that can. We have to build this by recruiting and developing players over a period of time - we'll see how it plays out, but it definitely needs more patience from us fans.

85, I love your passion, but I agree with joesunfish. Also, despite some tough losses so far this season I think NB is a good coach and the statistics show the last 1.5 years under NB have been far better than the previous 2 under Pecora. FG%, 3-pt%, Assists/game, turnover margin, steals all up. I'm not going to get too concerned about recruiting - we were very happy when Smith and Hardnett committed on short notice and we've had a couple other recruits I'm not sure what happened to (Papa Ndiaye?) that everyone was excited about.

When NB was hired, he talked about his style of coaching - high pressure defense that takes chances and forces turnovers, speeding the game up, taking a lot of outside shots. I was really happy to see a coach that had this kind of a style because I don't think we can consistently compete and win playing the same way as everyone else. The 3-pt shot & pressure defense are weapons we'll be able to use against bigger, more talented opponents (and win). We may not have the personnel to win this year and no one is ignoring the need to improve rebounding (and other areas), but I think we've got the building blocks to have a pretty good team in a couple years with a few more pieces.
10  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Duquesne - 2/22, 7pm - Pre-Game/In-Game Thread on: February 24, 2017, 10:34:02 am
Agreed. But those doubts were entirely justifiable and fair. This turnaround is unlikely and unprecedented, not only for Fordham standards, but any season I can recall.

Some of the concern was justifiable I suppose, but there were also a number of people making foolish and irrational statements that showed how little they know about the game of basketball. Patience was (and is) key.
11  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Duquesne - 2/22, 7pm - Pre-Game/In-Game Thread on: February 23, 2017, 03:57:00 pm
 It's really been a a stunning and stirring turnaround.

Neubauer can coach. His assistants can coach. I hope this turnaround is a signal to all those who doubted our coaching staff, and our guys, at the early stages of the season. This is a multi-year building project. We have some injuries and our talent level isn't where we'd need it to be to take the next step, but JN and company are getting a lot of juice out of the current roster. Hard to imagine any of the previous Fordham coaches achieving anywhere near a similar record with the same roster..
12  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: RHG renovations on: February 21, 2017, 06:09:10 pm
This gap really puts the pressure on you Finance and Law 1% ers!   Thank God for you!

For a long time, the business school was under performing because there was insufficient energy, dollars, and institutional leadership. It was an afterthought and took a backseat to other areas of study. Glad to see Fordham finally woke up and ignited the business school - these things take time, but certainly appears to be headed in the right direction. 
13  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: RHG renovations on: February 08, 2017, 04:44:11 pm
Does anyone have any insider knowledge as to whether the court naming project received the green light by Dave Roach? Or did McGrank simply bigfoot our AD and move forward without his involvement or approval?  Overall, I have been impressed with Roach's work as we can clearly see tangible improvements since he arrived. Granted we are still hamstrung by a lot of institutional handicaps, but Roach has been effective in making changes where he can and in bringing a greater level of professionalism to the athletic department if you ask me.  I really hope his fingerprints aren't on this project.  If it is being done without his approval or involvement then that speaks to the structural dysfunction that exists at FU.

I don't think this project would be able to move forward without Roach's approval. That said, if I'm in his position I'd be in favor of just about anything that moves things in the right direction short term. If I'm him, you can name the court after whoever you want, it wouldn't matter to me.

As I've said before, Fordham athletics lacks a real long term plan. Perhaps this is because it can't make one without first knowing where the university is with regard to athletics? I don't know. The bottom line is, I'm convinced that there's a good bit of money on the sidelines that will not donate to Fordham athletics because there doesn't seem to be a vision or plan.
14  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: RHG renovations on: February 06, 2017, 10:34:50 am
I do not know one person in my circle of Fordham friends who will donate to this project.  Same reaction every time: why are they naming the floor after a guy who ran the most inept athletic department in America?   That is the bottom line, this idea turns many donors off whereas it is supposed to help raise the money.  Only Fordham.   

Bingo. There's plenty of money that sits on the sidelines because Fordham just keeps being Fordham. There's been no long term plan, no accountability for poor performance (and close to zero institutional support). The administration doesn't get it, doesn't listen, and yet expects fans to care, watch, and donate.
15  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: RHG renovations on: February 03, 2017, 04:59:19 pm
I don't have a problem with Mr. McLaughlin (don't believe I've ever met him, but seems like a nice guy).

I have a problem with Fordham. Don't tell me what you value, show me what you spend your money on and I'll tell you what you value. What has the athletics capital budget been over the last 50 years? What is the long term strategic plan for the future of Fordham athletics?

Fordham keeps going back to the same list of old donors because it's convinced itself that this is the best it can do. Kudos to those folks for their support, but there is a lot of money on the sidelines that with the right vision and plan, Fordham can tap into. It just doesn't seem to want to try.
16  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: RHG renovations on: February 02, 2017, 02:07:25 pm
I think this solicitation should bring some reality to the claim put forward by some that a campaign for athletic facilities would find alums tripping over each other to get their checks in.  I have no doubt that these projects will be funded but this is raising money the hard way.  They've announced them so it would be difficult to pull them back.  $100 million for new athletic facilities...?  Not in this lifetime.

Sometimes it's easier to raise $20 million than it is to raise $2 million. There are a number of potential donors out there that haven't been engaged by Fordham and who are frustrated by the usual "Fordham drag". This isn't going to help that.
17  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: RHG renovations on: February 02, 2017, 10:20:44 am
1.) I'll say it again, most universities can hold a bake sale and raise $5 million dollars.

2.) If you can't raise $2.5 million in the "quiet period", you should still be in the quiet period. It's probably a dumb idea you're selling or you should rethink your strategy.

3.) Me and my friends can raise over $1.3 million for Fordham (and they didn't even go to Fordham). Who is spearheading the fundraising?

There is money on the sidelines, that stays on the sidelines, because Fordham athletics continues to think and act small. It goes to the same old group of donors and has convinced itself that this is the best it can do.
18  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Something happening here? on: January 23, 2017, 09:54:02 am
It's too bad we've won a couple of conference games, I was really looking forward to the ingenious strategy of an "all hands on deck" approach and "getting the AD involved in everything"  Roll Eyes  Which assistant coaches did you want to replace again? Which Fordham player from 40 years ago did you want to dust off to replace JN?

We won a couple of games - great! I don't get too high when we win nor too low when we lose. We're trying to build something here over a period of years and despite what some of the basketball geniuses on here think, that somehow we can do it in 1-2 years, we can't. It's going to take time. Hopefully the last week is a sign to all the doubters that in fact, the sky is not falling and we can give Coach Neubauer and staff chance to continue moving the program forward.
19  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Are we in free fall? on: January 11, 2017, 03:58:45 pm
Now is when this mess falls square on Dave Roach. He got a pass with the hire since he used a search firm and last year worked out well, but this is where an AD needs to earn his money.

What, specifically, would you like the AD to do to "earn his money" in this situation?
20  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Ideas to improve recruiting and development on: January 11, 2017, 01:45:26 pm
I equate Fordham athletics with a corner deli.   There are a bunch of old, long time customers who have a special seating section reserved just for them.  They sit long after they've eaten, nursing a cold cup of coffee and telling old war stories.  The seats set aside for them crowd out most of the space set aside for the rest of the clientele -- younger customers who want a sandwich and a place to sit down for a few minutes near their workplace.  The younger paying customers quickly realize that the deli doesn't consider their money green enough and move on to other, less provincial places to eat a sandwich and drink a Red Bull.  

At the end of the year, the deli wonders why it didn't make more money, pretty much knows the answer, but is afraid to tell the old timers to go find someplace else to hang out all day.  

I think this is exactly right. There's a lot of potential donors who's money is sitting on the sidelines for this reason. The 'corner deli' folks will sell enough tuna sandwiches to raise $2.5 million for the latest RHG project and pat themselves on the back. Real fundraisers can raise 10x that amount.
21  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Are we in free fall? on: January 11, 2017, 01:40:35 pm
JN's had bad years before, he'll push through. Let's see how we adjust.

Fordham is one of the toughest program-building jobs in America, there's no doubt about it. In addition to the structural problems (no fan support, ancient building, limited institutional leadership, and general disregard for athletics), you've got some fans who have unrealistic expectations and somehow think things will be set in the right direction in just a couple of years (they're not, no matter who is coaching, folks).

Like I've said before, we don't have the right mix of talent on this year's team. I don't think anyone, including JN, would dispute that. However, the guy won 17 games last year with essentially this roster, plus Rhoomes and Thomas. Those two guys were not exactly 5-star recruits coming out of high school. Any reasonable person would have to think the Fordham coaching staff would at least be able to to bring in that caliber of recruit going forward. We'll see, the year ain't over yet and time will tell.
22  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Ideas to improve recruiting and development on: January 10, 2017, 01:30:58 pm
Norm Roberts would undoubtedly be an upgrade. Leaving KU as an assistant to run the program here would be a downgrade for him, and would be way out of our budget.

Undoubtedly, you must be joking. There isn't anything about Norm Roberts' head coaching record (105-185) that would indicate he would be a successful head coach at Fordham. He's only been above .500 twice in his career (barely) and was never above .500 in his own conference. ??
23  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Ideas to improve recruiting and development on: January 10, 2017, 01:10:32 pm
I brought this up a couple weeks ago (along with Rice and Prioleau)

Bottom line is if and when we cross that line, I would hope there's at least one Fordham guy on the staff, potentially even the top guy.

Let me give you a more likely scenario: Fordham gets Frank favorite, Norm Roberts (4th time is a charm), and coincidentally at KU as well. Fred Q comes over with him as an assistant. Throw Rice on that staff and I'm OK with that.

No offense to Norm Roberts (or anyone else you mentioned), but that's a definite step backwards from where we currently are. I don't care where my coach or assistants went to college. Fordham is not a "destination" job for any successful coach, even for a Fordham alum (Moorehead proved that). We keep recycling the names of all of these former Rams we all know and love, but let's not get carried away.
24  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Neubauer as HC: It's March 15, 2017: Which scenario best represents your vote? on: January 06, 2017, 09:55:24 am
That is the recipe. The idea we need to blow it up is stupid. WE have pieces and they all have eligibility left. This year has been rough because of injury and under performance of some key parts. I think we will have a different view of the returning pieces by the end of the year.

The 2-3 pieces we bring in next year are critical. Ton and crew needs to get in done this year. They only have to fill a couple of slots and the focus should be on 1-2 that can help next year (Juco/Grad).

JN showed me last year that he can win games with just a handful of pieces. If he can win games with essentially this roster, plus Rhoomes and Thomas, it makes me optimistic about what he can do if he has even more talent than that. Do we have that kind of talent on the roster this year? I think the answer is no (though we have a couple good pieces). Does anyone think that JN and staff are incapable of bringing in at least a Ryan Rhoomes or Mandell Thomas level recruit? It remains to be seen, but I'd have to think he'll get it done. Neither were studs out of high school and yet we won 17 games last year. Hopefully we can recruit those types of players consistently - time will tell.

It's not going to take a ton of players to change and improve the dynamic of the team either. The Yankees were a much better team with Jeter hitting second and playing shortstop than say, if he had he batted cleanup and played first base. My point is, we add a shooter and a low post presence and suddenly everybody is playing in position in the right roles. You add a lanky rim protector (maybe what N'Diaye was supposed to be?) and it has a multiplier effect on our pressure defense.
25  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Neubauer as HC: It's March 15, 2017: Which scenario best represents your vote? on: January 05, 2017, 05:15:26 pm
Just a quick inconsequential trivial correction:  Two coaches had better records.  Digger Phelps was 26-3 and an assistant coach (I can't remember his name) under DW who coached one game, was 1-0.  Not that this makes one bit of difference to this discussion. Tongue

Good catch! But you'll note that's why I said "Fordham coaches who have spent at least 2 years at the helm". Digger had only the one season.  Smiley
26  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Neubauer as HC: It's March 15, 2017: Which scenario best represents your vote? on: January 05, 2017, 03:42:04 pm
In light of that, it would be sensible (purely speculation) that if he were to move on, it would be onward and downward, literally (i.e. Southern Conference) ...essentially admitting regret and seeking security. I don't think he'll ever "move up" again.

Yes, I think at this point we all know your feelings about Coach Neubauer (or his weight or eating habits).

By my count, Neubauer is 23-20 right now. If the season ended today, for Fordham coaches who have spent at least 2 years at the helm, this winning percentage would rank as the highest since Johnny Bach (coached 1950-1968). The season isn't over yet and you never know what's going to happen, but let's everyone take it down the notch. The sky isn't falling. Any rational Ram fan knew this process was going to take longer than 2 years, so let's let the process play out.
27  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Neubauer as HC: It's March 15, 2017: Which scenario best represents your vote? on: January 04, 2017, 07:36:46 pm
Folks, it's really time to get a grip here. We've had a disappointing first half of the season, but the sheer "sky is falling" panic mode of this thread is completely off the charts. That, plus the armchair psychoanalysis of our coach. Ever think his courtside demeanor might reflect frustration that his strategies aren't having the desired effect?

We're 0-1 in conference. Lost that game by 3 points. He's integrating 7 new players into the squad. The A-10 is down compared to last year, and some of the leading teams have suffered injuries to key players.

Ace is correct that there will be no buyout. Folks are also correct that if our coaching vacancy opens up again, only the damaged, delusional and deranged will be applying for the job. During the Pecora years, anything resembling a 23-22 run would have touched off waves of joy amongst the long-suffering faithful. Let's root for the team to have a good showing tonight and get to the game to support them this weekend.


You are 100% on target. I admire the passion, but let's focus it in the right way. Go to the games, bring friends, and lobby McShane and the BoT. Making foolish comments about the Coach's weight or speculating on when he might leave which, after a 17 win season (at Fordham) is both ridiculous and very premature. It only dissuades potential recruits who might be checking out the board. 
28  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Neubauer as HC: It's March 15, 2017: Which scenario best represents your vote? on: January 04, 2017, 11:32:13 am
I don't know what JN is yet, but I do know it's getting late early. Part of that is because of the failures of seasons past. We don't have a four year window for him to figure it out. We need the right players and the right philosophy, right now.

How is it getting "late early"? We had our first winning season in ages last year and we're .500 this year?

Again, no disrespect to anyone, but if you think Fordham basketball can be fixed in less than four years, I can't help you. A "right now" attitude might work for the elites of college athletics - we are not elite. There isn't one program we could aspire to that was built right away - not Davidson, not Gonzaga, not Butler, not Villanova (or others). All of these schools also started from much higher than we are today, btw.
29  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Neubauer as HC: It's March 15, 2017: Which scenario best represents your vote? on: January 04, 2017, 10:31:50 am
I agree with Ace. We'd all like it if the assistants could conjure up a few impact A-10 players right away, but we need to give it more time.

Just going by the eye test, in my opinion JN is the best basketball coach we've had here in a long time (there's not much competition, lets be honest). Will he be able to recruit and win consistently? The jury is still out. Will we go through cycles where we have a few years of mediocrity with a great year sprinkled here and there? Who knows?

We had a winning season last year for the first time since ever. Congratulations! Let's not get ahead of ourselves though, this will be a long slog of building (not RE-building) something from the ground up.

"There are rich teams and there are poor teams...and then there's us"
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30  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Neubauer as HC: It's March 15, 2017: Which scenario best represents your vote? on: January 03, 2017, 07:04:18 pm
John , I could not agree with you more. Coach has not made an attempt to engage with the fan base since the start of last season.

In fairness, it's difficult to engage with fans when you really can't find any (outside of us die hards). They certainly haven't been at the games, that's for sure.
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