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1  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat" on: Today at 09:15:58 am
Of course the coach is on the hot seat given this slide, but in reality, the real heat should be focused on Roach right now, not on this young coach.

On the heels of several playoff appearances and top 25 rankings, the AD decided not to do any search whatsoever and simply hand over the reigns to a 31 y/o guy with extremely light credentials. This one is on the AD. 

There was very little if any discussion here at the time of the hire. Anyone have more info on how it went down? Was this a power play, like Breiner would leave and go with Moorehead?  I cant imagine that this was approved so quickly up the line.

+1.  Good process tends to produce good results.  Bad process, and especially no process, tends to produce bad results. 

It's tempting to just make a quick decision and be done with the matter, but then you end up owning the accountability for the results in a more personal way than you otherwise would.

I agree though there is no need to sit the coach down for a meeting to convey the importance of the matter.  That would be a distraction and the worst kind of micromanagement.  If anything would make it harder for Roach to hold the coach accountable at the end of the season since the coach could then say he was just following Roach's advice.
2  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat" on: Yesterday at 12:27:16 pm
What do you mean by "hot seat" then?

Maybe he's thinking of the heated seats in the luxurious cargo truck he insists that Fordham football needs in order to be "big time".

Oh yeah, I just went there.   Grin
3  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Should Coach Breiner be on the "Hot Seat" on: Yesterday at 10:45:13 am
So what is the purpose of this site.  Pat each other on the back, converse about what a great facility JCF is and complement the Coach on that great play call on 3rd and 9 in the 2nd Quarter of the game against EWU?

Like the Seinfeld episode, it's about nothing really.  Just an excuse to waste lots of time we could be spending on something more productive.
4  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Fordham on college game day on: September 24, 2017, 11:08:07 pm
Lombardi, 7 blocks, Morehead, cheerleaders in Times Square! Great PR!

Please elaborate.
5  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: SI article - Fordham facilities on: September 20, 2017, 11:41:57 pm
Great descriptions of Fordham's dreadful athletic facilities..."musty"
It's amazing how behind we are in comparison to other Catholic colleges.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/09/20/joe-moorhead-penn-state-offense-fordham

I'm sure there are a lot of schools that have some "musty" rooms in their athletics facilities.  It comes with the territory to some degree.

The whole Junk Corner thing was entirely on JM.  That doesn't reflect badly on Fordham at all.  I do certainly get from the article that Fordham was tight on space but I didn't read that to mean our facilities are "dreadful".  If anything I get that the point of that opening story about our facilities is just to provide the backdrop for a "humble origins" storyline.
6  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary on: September 18, 2017, 11:57:48 am
Perhaps today's Fordham students are just not that interested in Ram sports.

+1.  This is the only logical explanation.  Just stating the obvious that these students came to Fordham despite it's long and generally undistinguished performance in marquee athletics.  If the college sports fan experience were important to them most would have gone elsewhere.

Expecting these kids to show up because it's the right thing to do to support the team and alma mater is not realistic.  The only way you get them to show up is through enticements, having a brand name opponent come visit, and/or have a winning team.  Having said that, if we start getting really sustained success, particularly in basketball I think given there is limited FCS appeal, then I expect we would get a different kind of student.  Not trying to make it a basketball vs. football thing because ultimately success in one provides a base to build up the other.
7  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary on: September 17, 2017, 06:05:21 pm
Thank God you are not an Astronaut....with your thinking when you try to re-enter the atmosphere you would skip right off and go tumbling back into space.....

I am not Anti-Fordham nor Anti Chase.  I love that kid and think the world of him.  I just think that it is idiotic that we would endorse and submit a video of him the day that he officially becomes injured and not able to play going forward.  Why the Hell wouldn't we have endorsed and published this video a week before the West Point game?

1. Perhaps it wasn't ready?
2. Perhaps it wasn't as important as something else the editor was working on?

Also, the fact that he got injured would not be a reason to not release such a video.  In fact, knowing that he is injured makes me look forward to seeing the episode that will (hopefully) deal with that topic.  That's exactly the kind of thing that will "keep it real" for the kind of audience that likes reality-shows.
8  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: 2017-18 Schedule Released on: September 16, 2017, 06:31:15 pm
Even if you did that, the numbers would make far more sense than current ones. [And when teams get really good, free student tickets tend to go out the door, or get paid for through an activity fee].

As for the cash cow aspect, a business trip took me last month to St. Louis. School wasn't back in yet, but SLU's arena was advertising a full slate of events for the public.

Just to follow up on an earlier point, actual ticket revenue is I'm sure inconsequential to the administration right now.  They know that they can't expect much given our small facility, fan base, and historic mediocrity.  My guess is they count themselves fortunate to make whatever they made the previous year, and use that in their budget.

I'm totally against the idea of free tickets as a general practice.  Students should have their tickets included as part of an increased activity fee, and then you tell them about that so they feel motivated to "use it or lose it".  For everyone else you set a price which is realistic given where we are at and advertise yourself as a good value-family entertainment option.  If you're eventually packing the place routinely then you can raise it.  Maybe if you somehow convince Duke or Michigan State to visit the RHG (and yes I'm being facetious here), then you can charge a premium price.  Any other pricing strategy is delusional, as is the notion that the RHG could ever really generate significant revenue.  In fact, given the renovations done recently or still needed, it's a net drain on cash.

Fordham would be best served financially by doing well enough to go deep into conference play and get more conference money, and to play big teams on TV.
9  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: 2017-18 Schedule Released on: September 14, 2017, 03:51:35 pm
Simply not enough money to matter our tickets are dirt cheap.

There are also not enough seats in the RHG to matter.

Even if you sold every seat in the RHG at full price for every home game, what would that come to?
10  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary on: September 14, 2017, 03:48:12 pm
Scott nailed it.  We're not the audience.  Hopefully it is an effective piece to those it's targeted to.

What I've heard and read is that today's "yoots" are very cynical of hype and spin.  That's why I think this segment, boring as it may seem, will be successful in its limited purpose. 

It shows real people, real buildings (drab and gritty as they may be).  Football players in a cafeteria, trainer room, meeting, etc.  Routine stuff all the way for a football player.  Yes there are some pictures of Chase scampering and scoring in front of a crowd, but there's no attempt to make it seem like this is Florida State.  Even the video's flaws make it seem more "authentic".  I put that in quotes because obviously there is some degree of staging involved, even if just a heads up to everyone that Chase and a camera crew will be coming through so act "natural".

Looking forward to the next segment, but I can't say I'm on the edge of my seat.



11  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Chasing Greatness Documentary on: September 14, 2017, 12:01:26 am
I agree with Scott.  I think this was well done, considering its purpose.  Yes, it was boring to me, but the general feeling I had after watching it is that Chase is mostly "keeping it real" at Fordham, that it's an unpretentious place.
12  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 06, 2017, 10:53:00 am
Pretty funny if true!

Was it the Bates Motel?


It was a Motel 6, but nobody left the light on.  The guys were all wandering around in the dark looking for the light switch.
13  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 05, 2017, 10:32:56 pm
We're really gone off the rails. We're talking about cargo trucks! CARGO TRUCKS?! We aint talking about the game, we're talking about Cargo Trucks!

Time to move on guys. We got smoked. Cargo Trucks, Hotel rooms and buses wouldn't have made a difference this time.

I thought we'd look sloppy, but never would've imagined 4 penalties to start the game and blocked kicks among many other issues. I'm erasing this game from my memory and will reevaluate next Saturday night.

You're right.  The real problem was that we didn't have properly embroidered cocktail napkins at the reception.  Once our guys on the field found out about this egregious oversight they just couldn't get their heads into the game; the four penalties were the inevitable consequence.  Those poor guys never had a chance.  The Fordham Administration needs to immediately study this critical issue and fix the situation ASAP.  Other schools don't seem to have this problem...   Grin
14  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 04, 2017, 10:00:55 pm
A thousand little things done wrong add up.  A thousand little things done right add up.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a8/14/89/a81489dcc6a189b414448c44884026c1--villanova-university-vehicles.jpg

I absolutely agree.  Fordham would be spending money it doesn't have on a dedicated-use truck it doesn't really need just to keep up with wealthier schools in order to satisfy an internet critic who still can't explain how this would actually make a difference.  Certainly qualifies as a thing done wrong in my book.

So when are you going to make your big donation?
15  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 04, 2017, 10:29:47 am
Do you NOT know how to read?  Please re-READ my posting.  I am saying don't try to play a game of "who has the biggest shalalie"......leave the cheerleader on the sideline and get in a scrum and get ready for the kickoff......Please learn how to read.

Actually I did read your post and interpreted it as meaning that if we're not going to do it "right" (by your inflated standards) then we should do absolutely nothing because it makes us look "small time" (the overall theme of your post).  If that wasn't your intent, as judging by your response, then I apologize.

I tend to think that having a single cheerleader wave a flag is fine.  It shows a bit of "pluck" in a situation where we were not expected to do anything at all.  I was a leader in the Fordham Band, and we were in plenty of situations where we were more than outclassed by the opponents fans and band.  We were supposed to just play songs and the convention standard is that we would be big, perfect, and loud.  However, we were none of those things.  Our goal was instead to be funny, feisty and make a disproportionate impact despite all of our deficiencies.  For example:
1. We did such a good job at this when we played at a Fordham-Army basketball game at West Point that after the game our coach (Macarchuck) came running up to us right after the buzzer and said that the Band was the reason that Fordham won that game.  That was the first and only time that ever happened. 
2. As another example, in Ireland at the Wild Geese Classic football game, we were the crowd's favorite band even though the HC band was bigger and better in every conventional way.  That's not my opinion, that was told to me by numerous fans who told us they "liked" us better.  We had more heart in the parade through town, at the game, when we went out to the bars, everything.
3. At numerous away games, we would make it a point to play a song and then afterwards yell as loudly as we could, "Hey, who's that band, they're really good!" (even though we weren't).  We would offer ourselves out to play private events, birthday parties, bat mitzvahs, etc.  Even opposing fans sitting nearby came to love us.

You interpret things like a sole cheerleader and a rented cargo truck as embarrassing because you have inappropriately high standards.  You overlook the idea that many times less-than-ideal is just fine in situations where there weren't any expectations to begin with.  As I just showed you with the band examples, you can choose to let inadequacies embarrass you, or you can find a way to work past them or even creatively turn them into an advantage.
16  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 04, 2017, 09:49:06 am
Are you Dumb?  This is not Army vs. Fordham....did you actually read my post.  Everyone does this and they are all privately funded.....Good Lord I hope and pray you are not within the "powers that be"

No, most definitely not dumb.  I have been accused of many things in my life, but that has never been one of them.

I did read your post and that's why I responded as I did.  "Everyone does this and they are all privately funded"?  Really?  Have you run a survey showing what every school uses for cargo trucks?

More to the point, why does it matter what "everyone" else does?  You still haven't answered that question.  What you are saying is that Fordham must spend X dollars just to get a cargo truck with its own branding on it.  This at a time where Fordham is struggling with a lot of competing top priority budget problems.  What this means is if you want Fordham to spend its own scarce resources for a cargo truck, it must take that money from somewhere else.  Is this important enough to say take back a football scholarship?  Perhaps cut the coach's pay?

Once again, if this is really important to you, donate the money.  I'm sure you could get your name somewhere on the truck as the donor.  We can have as the license plate "BIG TIME", and install a really loud speaker system that plays "Big Time" on a constant loop for all the adoring crowds who will turn out to marvel the new cargo truck.
17  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 03, 2017, 08:40:38 pm
DamnRam....thank you for keeping my fire burning about our embarrassing Rental Truck....I appreciate that.

Fire, Ready, Aim example #2 of non-football embarrassment for us last night.....

We are playing the U.S. Military Academy.....our Nation's oldest and grandest Military base and organization which dates back to the Revolutionary War.......Just buckle up our chin straps and get ready to play football, we don't need to do anything else....

Big Time:

Parachutes, Cadet's marching, Cannons and the pre-game lead out includes West Point military personnel and their players carrying out a Huge Army Flag, American Flag, POW-MIA flag and our course a big, giant TEXAS Flag to honor Texas after the hurricane and floods.  The Cadets are going crazy and preparing for battle...

Small Time:

We come up from the "dungeon-like" looking lockerroom below the stadium, who knows what that is like inside of it and we have ONE Lone Female Cheerleader with a Fordham Flag half the size of a personal flag pole sized flag waving it for our team.....

Act like we have been in a big-time environment before.....Come running up from the lockerroom, get in a scrum and get ready for kick off.  We looked defeated before the opening kickoff and our poor cheerleader with the Fordham flag looked silly.

Thanks DamnRam.....appreciate you reminding me.

This post only highlights how completely unreasonable and out of touch your expectations are.  Your expectation that Fordham somehow could or should try to rival whatever Army did for the entertainment is ridiculous.  Rather than thanking me, I want to thank you for highlighting that for my benefit and everyone else.  I will quote "85" here:

This is not about facilities or buses or rental trucks. This is about awful coaching preparation and awful execution. 

The only thing Fordham could have done to gain respect was to get things done on the field - to win or to at least lose by a reasonably close margin.  We played badly and got our doors blown off.  We are a recently successful FCS program, anyone who knows Fordham knows this, and it was obviously okay with Army or they wouldn't have scheduled us.  End of story.  A few more cheerleaders or a nicer cargo truck would not have changed anyone's opinions, especially given what happened on the field.  If we were in fact an FBS team and out there presenting ourselves as such then it would be reasonable to expect a different standard in some respects, but even then I question whether such standards should apply to a cargo truck.
18  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 03, 2017, 08:36:07 pm
I will gladly help.....by the way I can show you high schools, FCS and many other organizations that do this.....

We look foolish pulling up in our Rental truck....

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-51KB7T9sNzo/Up0mPqOS0CI/AAAAAAAAO9U/yRU6DClihuo/s1600/DSCN4450.JPG

http://dealer-cdn.com/media/barntruckrental/10_T_1.jpg

I didn't ask you to help.  I asked you to lead the charge as this issue that obviously bothers YOU, and that you are holding it up as proof that Fordham is actually WRONG for not doing things like Army.

I don't care whether Army has one truck or twenty trucks, nor what they look like.  It is absolutely inappropriate to compare what Army (a fully federally-funded, elite military institution playing FBS) to Fordham (a private, heavily tuition-dependent, only recently successful FCS program) on how they move some equipment for a few away games a year.  No reasonable person should expect us to try to compete with Army on something so unimportant, and for that reason we don't look "foolish".
19  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 02, 2017, 01:03:52 pm
BIG TIME...vs small time

So when will you be donating a brand new properly-labeled cargo truck so that Fordham can impress everyone with how BIG TIME we are?
20  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 02, 2017, 05:33:13 am
I have one more Major "we are a small time program" complaint that I need to voice!!!!!

We keep talking about "small time" vs. "big time" football programs.

We have the debate here on these boards.  We desire to play in a big time environment and therefore we need to act like it...

We already had the Hotel overnight debate......

Here is another classic...

Well......I don't go to a lot of road games that we play so I don't have any data points, but tonight I randomly left West Point in my car and happened to be pulling out the same time that our buses (3 or 4 total, I can't remember, it doesn't matter) were pulling out....Here is the issue.  I could care less that we rent luxury buses for road trips vs. owning them. (we shouldn't own 3 or 4 luxury buses, just lease them on a per demand basis)....

But here is my problem....Following the 3 or 4 buses was a large Box truck (that obviously we rent and don't own to carry our equipment)....

How do I know that we don't own it.....WELL, HOW BOUT THAT IT SAYS 'BOX TRUCK RENTAL", "RENTAL", "TRUCK RENTAL" ALL THE EFF OVER IT.....

We act small time vs. big time....and I hate it.  I see High Schools that have Box trucks and they are all stickered up with their logos and mascots and say "St. Joe's Football" or "Bergen Catholic Football" or "Bosco Football" or "Ironmen Pride" or "Crusader Football" or something like that.....

Our Box truck looks like it had just come out of Hunts Point with a load of fish......

You act small time and then you play small time.  Act like you have been to the dance before.

Ridiculous....just one of many tonight.

You have got to be kidding.  You're complaining about a cargo truck now?

If we had won, or had lost by a close margin, you could maybe start picking apart minutiae such as the signage on our cargo truck.  Given our performance ON THE FIELD, which is really the ONLY thing that matters, this truck signage "issue" ranks a zero.  I have said many times success is often the result of doing a thousand little things right.  However last night's performance proved also that a few things such as coaching matter a LOT more than all the rest combined.  That is where I would insist Fordham put most of its focus right now.  We clearly have bigger things to worry about than keeping up "big time" appearances so as not to look "small time".

As for off-field issues, the will-call problem is much more important than this cargo truck "problem" you've raised.  If however you really think it's SO important then I suggest you start raising money for a Fordham football cargo truck and let Fordham focus on the things that really matter.
21  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: August 31, 2017, 04:00:20 pm
No it's not a lot of money.  It's once a year and if you're going to play in the big time you have to act big time.   Don't play these teams if you can't do it right. 

Do you have a problem with basketball travelling on charters?  I doubt you do.  This is no different. 

Fordham is spending no where near what FBS programs spend.  If we are playing these games, then we have to pull out the stops to be in a position to win.  Getting to the field a day early for a walk through is part of that.

Actually, I do have a problem with basketball travelling on charters assuming you can fly commercial without it taking too much longer.  The time part is the key for me there.  Basketball plays a lot more games in a season than does football, and a fair number of those games are during the week when time away from classes really matters.  This by the way is actually a very different situation because the teams we would fly to see are not an hour or so away by bus.

It's good that Fordham is not spending anywhere near what the FBS programs spend because we're not FBS.  If Fordham said they wanted to go FBS, I would say that we should spend that way.  Until then, the honest truth is we are an FCS hired to be sacrificial lambs.  If you're going to be in that role, you understand you can't afford and shouldn't try to match the FBS's on spending just to live up to an arbitrary standard of "right".  There are many right ways to do things.

As for walkthroughs, why can't this be done as soon as you get there in the morning?
22  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: August 31, 2017, 03:05:45 pm
sorry, ok Wind Mill vs. Liquid Natural Gas clean energy fuel.....My bad...

Liquid Natural Gas is also burned in a combustion engine.  More to the point, perhaps you can write without obscure (except to yourself) analogies?
23  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: August 31, 2017, 02:44:29 pm
Wind Farm/Wind Mill vs. Combustion Engine approach.....Good luck.

Combustion engines?  Even your analogies are dated.
24  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: August 31, 2017, 02:39:57 pm
You still do not understand that we are not a high school program though. We are a nationally ranked FCS program that is choosing to play against FBS programs year after year. We have a large budget for our FB program and this is the cost of doing business at this level.

If you want to advocate that we slash the budget and start nickel and diming the program, then start a new thread.



Who's talking about slashing the budget.  I'm talking about saving the unnecessary hotel costs and putting them directly into a football endowment.  People like AOC might not think that $14K is a lot of money, but I tend to think you get enough of those small deposits (from donors, payouts, etc.) and it can add up to make a difference to our football program.  It also presumably makes a difference to the BOT who ever year have to make difficult decisions about where to spend Fordham's very finite resources.  Showing that Fordham football saved a bit when it had the opportunity to do so I think would go a long way.

Note that I have absolutely no problem spending money on hotels when it's really needed.  If you fly or drive a long distance (even say 4 hours) to play an opponent (regardless of the level), you stay in hotels.  You drive a bit more than an hour away, you don't.  It's really that simple.  People, businesses, schools, and non-profits all go bankrupt or have to radically restructure when they lose sight of that simple concept.

I also have no problem spending like an FBS if Fordham says that is where we are going.  However, the idea that we have to spend at the FBS level just because some fans want to feel, however fleetingly, like we are a small FBS when we are not is insane.
25  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: August 31, 2017, 02:08:05 pm
Big time football vs. high school/small time football

Exactly (except for the high school part)!  Now you understand!  Army is a federally-funded military academy with lots of resources to fund its big-time football program, Fordham is a private 92% tuition-dependent school with an FCS program.  Army can waste taxpayer money and it will just keep coming.  Fordham doesn't have that same luxury.
26  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: August 31, 2017, 12:40:05 pm
Sorry, you are correct.  We will spend 5 hours and 15 minutes in the locker room after 45 minutes at the Cracker Barrel off the Palisades Pkwy in Nyack, NY.

The home team is staying in a hotel the night before the game but the visitors aren't.....that makes zero sense.

Why would you think I'm advocating the guys spend the majority of their time in the lockerroom?  I was always assuming that whatever they would have done with their six hours they would still do.  They would still be having lunch in a hotel, with meetings in breakout rooms, etc.  They could then go over to the lockerroom when they need to get changed and head out onto the field, just like they would have done if they had stayed over.

Yeah, as unnecessary as it would be for the visiting team to stay in a hotel when they are coming from just over an hour away and with no threat of blizzards, I think it's stupid for the home team to stay in a hotel.  This is especially true considering they are a military academy playing big time football and presumably have plenty of spaces in their athletics area or student center to do any pre-game preps and meetings they could possibly need.  I agree all of that makes zero sense.

BTW, stay away from Cracker Barrel.  They want you to believe that there is good eatin', but it's really not and you end up spending too much time walking around their crappy gift store.
27  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: August 31, 2017, 11:09:47 am
Is DamnRam actually Frank?  He sure sounds like him.

Guys........this is comedy hour.  The home team (West Point) I am being told stays in a hotel the night before a home game, but we want to leave "just before noon"  to play our 6 pm game at West Point and spend 6 hours in a crappy visitor lockerroom while West Point the home team has hotel rooms until 3 pm including a large ballroom and breakout rooms where they can do walks throughs, position meeting, film, training staff stuff and oh by the way, eat, sleep, shower and poop.....

Good God, yes this is Mickey Mouse stuff that we are talking about.

AOC....instead of FedEX can we get a better rate from UPS to send our guys to Hawaii?  Let Brown do it.

Who ever said that if we left in the morning our guys would spend 6 hours in a lockerroom?  That's not what I was thinking.

No, I'm not Frank.  I sometimes wish I could be though, as I have to work for a living.

Immigration authorities advise against shipping humans in packages over long distances.
28  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: August 30, 2017, 09:16:56 am
I've been hearing for years now how important playing playing these FBS games is for recruiting and how much the players love feeling like we have a big time program.  I'm sure the recruits will be very impressed with this Mickey Mouse move.  Do it right or don't do it!

Are we going to Fed Ex the team to Hawaii for that game?  That will save a few bucks.

If we had a big time program, we would have lots of really huge donors, TV revenues, and a program that is generating profits.  We would probably have real facilities and offices.  We would probably be flying around the country playing other big time programs.  We have none of that, so what's "right" for those that do is different than what's "right" for those that don't.  This entitlement mindset absolutely fascinates me.

This is an FCS program playing a game that is a bit more than an hour away, at 6pm, and it's Army.  Not Notre Dame, BC, Syracuse, or USC.  If someone's self worth is determined by whether Fordham pays for a hotel room for such a game, either we are recruiting the wrong kind of person or they are going to the wrong kind of school.  If we absolutely must be staying in a hotel for every single away game (no matter how close it might be) then whoever negotiates these contracts needs to either get that paid for by the opponent or not schedule games with them if they don't pay.
29  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: August 30, 2017, 09:00:43 am
Football coaches love control. They hate unknowns and variables that are not in their favor. Traffic and travel time are variables. Same day travel loses control and adds another level of logistics.

It may not be Ohio State, but Fordham is running a high level football program and should act that way.  This discussion gives one the vision of the team in full pads, cleats, and uniforms pulling up to USMA in a yellow school bus. The cheerleaders are in a second bus with streamers coming out the windows . . .

God forbid the bus breaks down . . .

Your vision is a bit dramatic and fitting more for a program that has facilities on the high school level.  Oh wait, that's Fordham!  But that's another story...

I was actually imagining the team would be showing up to the bus at RH at 10am, departing 10:30am, arriving by noon.  At this hour they would encounter far less traffic than travelling that direction in the afternoon or evening, and if they had a problem with their bus it would be easier to get another bus than it would be late in the evening.  Very little to worry about there.  When they arrive by noon (or sooner) they would eat lunch at the same time and location they would have if they stayed over, and after that doing whatever they would have done had they stayed over.

The players wouldn't be in uniform (those would be packed just like they would if they were brought the night before) and actually would probably be in slacks and polo shirts.  The staff, fans and cheerleaders would be in coach buses just like the players, and they would probably be departing later in the day.

There are multiple ways to do things "right", and what's "right" for Ohio State or any FBS program is different when we're talking an FCS program that's just a bit more than an hour away from the game site playing a game at 6pm.  You can argue that you should always stay over just because other programs do this, but that thinking is why expenses in colleges continue to skyrocket.  Convenience and control for the coaches comes at a price.  If a wealth opponent or donor or the "highly profitable" (ahem!) football program is paying that price, that would be one thing to consider.  However, given were we are If I were the AD I would have insisted that the money we would have spent on overnight costs be dedicated to something tangible, such as a football endowment or the coaches offices or training room.  Let's think long term and not let the Ohio States or arbitrary conceptions of "right" drive things here.

30  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: August 30, 2017, 07:15:33 am
I know people may find this a shock but NYRam07 and I actually agree on this point.  They should stay over night.....I have been told that they aren't but they should.


DamnRam, do you actually have any concept of major college athletics, and football to he specific?

Do you think they just go to a hotel and play grab-ass?  Do you know why they do it?  Have you seen the basketball team's budget?  Have you seen what tuition costs?  The football team can afford to stay over night. 

Most major programs, including West Point probably stay in a hotel the night before a game even if it is a home game.

I have a "concept of major college athletics, and football to be specific".  My other alma mater is quite the perennial football powerhouse at the FBS level, and what I saw of it disgusted me.

I am quite familiar with tuition costs, I post on that matter extensively.  I hope you're not going to suggest that the football players pay so much in tuition that they have earned this, since as I understand it they are all on scholarship.

I don't need to see the basketball team's budget.  If this is a matter of one athletics program spending money simply because some other athletics program spends money, then we seriously need to start reviewing athletics spending much more carefully.

I can imagine all sorts of arguments for why a major football program would check into a hotel the night before a game.  Of course, Fordham isn't a major football program, and it doesn't have unlimited funds.  In fact, Fordham is constantly dealing with severe budget limitations.  Unless you can show me that Fordham football is actually profitable (TV revenue, donations, and gate receipts exceed all costs including costs of scholarship) or even just that someone is donating money specifically so that the football team can stay overnight at Army, it's a stretch to insist that "the football team can [afford to] stay overnight" for a game that is an hour or so away.  If we had this kind of money, I think we would have better football facilities and offices.  By the way, how is that all working out?  Perhaps we could dedicate the money that we would have spent on overnight expenses towards that effort?
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