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1  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Fordham @ CCSU on: September 13, 2017, 11:11:07 am
I actually pointed that out maybe 2-3 pages ago but was told that I "don't get it." Whatever that means.

No, you get it.  And "it" is despite obvious preparation concerns evident at the start of our first two games, this coach has to date done what is expected of him, and should be allowed to work on these concerns without negativity from us.  I'm sure he's well aware that the team has not come onto the field adequately prepared and that he's working on that.
2  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Fordham @ CCSU on: September 13, 2017, 07:08:02 am
Breiner is 9-4 in his head coaching career.  Two of those losses are to FBS teams.  He obviously must be fired.
3  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 08, 2017, 03:14:33 pm
Ya really.  When was the last time you did?  Have you ever seen a sideline?

 What happens Week 1 in a long season has nothing to do with week 12.  Travel, injuries, internal issues and the grind of the season all have an impact on how a season plays out.  Injecting Fordham into it as a means of comparison is ludicrous. 

Too funny.  I might have "seen a sideline" more recently than you have.  Cheesy  I even know when a team, say Georgetown, knows every play called by our coaching staff before our guys run the play. (cough, cough)   Wink  Great job, there, buddy.

Sure, things happen between week 1 and week 12.  But the fact that our first opponent this year (with many returning key players) beat a team last year that had beat us handily surely portended that we could lose this game by a significant margin.

But then again, you really have no idea what you are talking about. If you were actually paying attention, you would not have posted earlier that this Army team is "not a top 50 team."  As I said earlier, this Army team will be their best team since 1996 and I have no doubt that Army will be among the top 50 teams.  I wouldn't be surprised if they even cracked the top 25, but they will certainly be a top 50 team.

PS -- Hey, Lombardi, Jr., don't look now, but ESPN's power rankings currently has Army at No. 46 in the nation.   Cheesy
4  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 08, 2017, 07:45:48 am
Irrelevant that Army beat Navy last year.  Navy is learning what it's like to play in a decent conference.  It's not like being an independent.  Very few weeks off and the season takes its toll.  Navy faded at the end of the year.  They are finding out what Army found out in Conference USA.  Playing in a conference is tough on the service academies.  They can't just open up a can of tackles like the other D-I programs can. 

You think it's irrelevant?  Really?  When was the last time you coached?
5  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 07, 2017, 04:59:33 pm
I'm definitely on the same page with you here and the team could have folded last year after Navy but went 8 - 2 the rest of the way. 

Keep in mind not only did we lose to Navy, 52-16, last year, but that Navy team then lost to Army, 21-17, in December.

And I don't think there's any doubt that the 2017 Army team is better than last year's Army team.

In other words, a significant loss to Army to open this season was reasonably foreseeable. 

We need to re-focus and just get back to work, like we did last season.
6  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 02, 2017, 10:28:23 am
I am not sure how you rank the offense as a "passing grade" of D when we scored 6 points and averaged 30 last year.  The best FCS back in the nation rushed for 42 yards on 15 carries.

We failed in every aspect of the game last night including Cargo truck renting.

Hah! You see, we do agree here and there. How can any unit earn a D based on last night? Last night, it was a big, fat F across the board.
7  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 02, 2017, 10:26:36 am
This was Army.  Much improved but we're not talking about a Top 50 team here.  

You want to bet on that, come December? This Army team is going to be the best team they've put on the field since 1996, when they finished No. 25 in the nation. That O-line is going to push around a lot of FBS teams, and the triple-option will confound a lot of FBS defenses. I think they can be a top 25 team.  They will definitely be a top 50 team.
8  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 02, 2017, 09:53:22 am
So you are a coach?  We were unprepared last night, Coach.  And their superior team and athletes exposed us.  That is my "fan" perspective.

I don't think you can accurately assess our level of preparation based on last night. You could play that game 100 times, and we could have their playbook in advance, and the only difference might be the disparity of their win. As I said, basic physics, and then their dominant play on the line just rippled into every aspect of play.

Are we prepared as a team? Obviously you can't say yes based on last night, but I'll withhold judgment until after the CCSU game.  Then let's revisit this discussion. You may be right, but I hope not.
9  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 02, 2017, 09:40:01 am
This wasn't just off. Line dominance.  Did you see the open field tackling of Chase.  Eastern Washington, North Dakota St, etc. don't get embarrassed like that.

I get it. You're a fan, not really a football guy.

It was embarrassing night. We're a PL FCS team taking on an FBS that won a bowl game last year. We got clubbed.  But any coach will tell you that you are never as good as you think you are after a huge win, and never as bad as you think when you get embarrassed.

We've just got to get off our backs and get ready to play a game next week. Next week's game is going to tell us a lot more about our season than last night's game.

Yes, Army tackles great in the open field. I'll sleep better tonight knowing our country's defense will be in their hands in the future.

Of, and your comment about NDSU and EWU raises an interesting point.  The difference between them and us is line play.  There are only so many guys going 6-2, 285 who get run a 40 in 4.7.  These guys go to FBS and, at worst, to the best FCS programs. As long as we are in the PL, those guys are off our recruiting page.  They don't go to PL programs. 
10  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 02, 2017, 09:21:16 am
AoC and Spouse are spot on. 

Can't remember such a buzzkill to start the season since Monmouth back in Masella days and this is worse. 

Absolutely a buzzkill, but AoC and Spouse are being over the top.

Last time we played, we leveled Holy Cross. Have we got that bad since then? Did Breiner and the coaches just get stupid overnight? I don't think so. I bit my tongue in advance of this game, but I feared a bad night. Take a look at the numbers of their O-line (not just their size, but their 40 speed). Monken has recruited a major FBS O-line. And we knew we had questions on our d-line going in.

As I said earlier, sometimes football just comes down to the basic laws of physics.

We won't see a line like that again all season. So I think you have to write this one off as one of those awful nights, and just move forward.  We've got two of the best skill players in the FCS in Anderson and Edmonds.  They are seniors positioned to have their best seasons ever.  Let's go. Last night is over.
11  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 02, 2017, 08:44:58 am
The problem is that the top FCS teams don;t lose to Army 64-6. They might lose but not by that margin. That says to me that we are stuck in Neutral as a program. Dave Clawson always said you are either getting better or you are getting worse.

What you say may be true; on the other hand, sometimes in sports one team's particular strength is unusually capable of exploiting another's team weakness, that you get a distorted result which, in the end, proves to be an inccurate measure of the genuine comparative competitiveness of the teams, vis-a-vis other teams.  That might have been the case last night. My guess is Anderson is a better QB than Bradshaw, and overall our other skill players are better than their skill players. But the dominance of their lines rendered our strengths meaningless, and without any value last night.

So I think we just have to write this off as one of those nights that presented a terrible match up for us.  Army is MUCH better than the last time we played them. Last night doesn't necessarily mean we are getting worse since then, but I share your concerns.  Time will tell.

12  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: September 02, 2017, 07:48:19 am
Their offensive line, to a man, was bigger and stronger than our defensive line.  And they just blew us off the line all night.  They knew what they could do against us, and they just pushed us around all night.

It was just the brutal reality of physics all night.

Going forward, I think our best defense is Chase Edmonds. Long possessions that burn time, and keep the defense on the sidelines as long as possible.
13  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: regarding the future of QBs. 3 stars Indiana transfer on: August 30, 2017, 01:34:01 pm
Anderson is untouchable barring injury. He's the qb, period.   He doesn't need any pushing and that won't happen.  He's done a great job.  No reason that will change.  I also don't see Smith or Ollie going anywhere.  They're program guys.  And at this point they don't have much value to another scholarship program.

Agreed.  Anderson is the guy.  You don't fix what ain't broke.  He ain't broke.  This is back-up for this year, assuming he picks up the system fast enough. 
14  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: regarding the future of QBs. 3 stars on: August 30, 2017, 08:39:49 am
Still has three years of eligibility.  Obviously he's the guy to beat for the starting job in '18 and, once he acclimates to the system, it looks like we won't lose a bit if Anderson gets hurt and misses some time.
15  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Army game on: August 25, 2017, 11:39:08 am
Army recruits scholarship level athletes.  I don't know that I ever saw a kid there or at the other academies that wouldn't get a ride somewhere.  They wouldn't hold up in practice if they couldn't play at a decent level.  Some might be on the FCS level but any kid on a depth chart at an academy would get a scholarship somewhere or play in the Ivy League.

You are 100% correct.  Army football recruits serious athletes who would have received a scholarship somewhere in Division I or have played Ivy League football.

I would bet if you looked back on the 'net, you would see every player on the Army roster has a recruiting history that involves teams that play at some level of Division I.
16  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: San Jose State to hire Jean Prioleau as head coach on: August 06, 2017, 07:29:40 pm
Jean hit one of the most memorable shots in Fordham hoop history - his three pointer to take down PJ's Seton Hall team in the Rose Hill Gym. I thought the ceiling was going to collapse from the crowd reaction when he hit that shot.

I still remember the night when Jean drilled that 3 pointer at the buzzer.  I was working in a law firm with an office in Morristown with a bunch of Seton Hall grads.  That night, we had just finished playing in our lawyer's league basketball game.  I was sitting in my car right outside The Dublin Pub -- our post-game hangout --listening to WFUV, as a bunch of my co-worker/teammates, many of them Seton Hall law grads, were walking toward the bar.  I called them over and told them Fordham was about to inbound the ball, down 68-66.

Everyone stopped to listen to the call.  Jean hits that 3 pointer and I just start taunting them. Smiley
17  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: 2017 Predictions on: July 31, 2017, 11:36:37 am
My point was to suggest that associating Chase with the prototype for the Heisman might not work so well.  That's still a valid point: Smith from NYU was the "primary model."

The most famous picture of a player modeling for the Heisman sculptor is that of Warren Mulrey with his coach, Jim Crowley watching. 

This photo was widely circulated by the Downtown Athletic Club at that time, as publicity for its nascent Heisman Trophy award.  In that era, a Heisman photo involving Crowley was a PR director's dream -- in those years after the death of Knute Rockne, there was arguably no college football coach as prominent as Jim Crowley (one of the first five athletes ever chosen to appear on a Wheaties box).  It was because of Crowley's inclusion that this photo became so famous.  In fact, sending the trophy down to be photographed with Crowley was probably the end in itself -- the story that Crowley was chosen to review the statue for authenticity just a cover for photographing the statue and its sculptor with Crowley.

Any news release accompanying the photo can place the moment in proper context, while acknowledging that Smith was the primary model.  But the recreation of the famous photo would be an attention getter.
18  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: 2017 Predictions on: July 29, 2017, 06:36:00 am

Just to emphasize, from your link, the model for the trophy was Smith, but Fordham players (including Warren Mulrey) modeled various poses for Eliscu, who revised his clay prototype based on these poses provided by the Fordham players.

From your link:
To create this trophy, the DAC commissioned Frank Eliscu, a well-known sculptor and National Academy of Design Prize Winner. He immediately began to work, selecting Ed Smith, a leading player on the 1934 New York University football team, as his primary model. Eliscu prepared a rough clay study that was sanctioned by the DAC Committee, and sent uptown for approval by the head football coach at Fordham University, Jim Crowley, one of the legendary Four Horsemen of Notre Dame. The prototype was set up on a field, and Crowley's players were asked to assume various positions to illustrate and verify the side step, the forward drive, and a strong-right arm thrust. The artist closely observed these action sequences and modified his clay prototype.[/b]
19  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: 2017 Predictions on: July 28, 2017, 01:39:41 pm

Any word on what the Athletic Department is doing to market the team this year?  One of the top football players at any-level is playing in the largest media market...  Let's get folks out in-force this year.

This is an interesting point and so far I've seen nothing. If I were in charge of marketing I would make a serious push to get chase invited to the heisman finalist list. Nope I'm not crazy we've seen it with Steve McNair , I remember Gordy lockbaum from holy cross also. Fact is he's the best player in fcs an all time record breaker by the time the season ends.

While I in no way ever believe he would win , I think the school can get a lot of publicity by running a "get chase to the downtown athletic club " type of promotion . Get Fordhams name out there . You would be supposed on how the story would grow legs .

We should circulate an 8x10 sheet, with two 5x7 photos, with a press release about Chase chasing the Heisman, and Fordham's connection to the sculpture.

One 5x7 would be the famous picture of Jim Crowley and a Fordham player, Warren Mulrey, modeling the stiff arm for the sculptor, Frank Eliscu. 

The other 5x7 would have Chase, giving the stiff-arm pose, photo-shopped (in color) into Mulrey's spot on the photo. 

20  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Let's not bury the lead boys! #1 in all the land. Go Chase on: June 09, 2017, 10:23:01 am inked stain wretch am I. 

On the other hand, many people think it's pompous for a bunch of journos to be picky about this.

The word "lede" became a common spelling in news room memos to distinguish it from lead ("led") used in Linotype machines commonly used to print type in news paper rooms a generation ago and more.  Both words were used frequently in internal memos, so the alternative spelling evolved to avoid confusion (or at least as I was told). 
21  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Football / Re: Let's not bury the lead boys! #1 in all the land. Go Chase on: June 09, 2017, 10:15:14 am
Technically, the word journalists use is "lede."
22  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Coach Hurley on: April 07, 2017, 08:06:04 pm
Regis is a different animal altogether.  It has always been tuition free, you need to pass an entrance examination and it has a tremendous reputation.

Plus, Regis has a $70 million endowment -- more than many colleges.  Interest on the endowment funds everything.
23  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: March 24, 2017, 08:25:13 am
He's got one more year of eligibility left, and I think he soberly assessed this Fordham team is not likely to make the dance in 2018. 

CS no doubt can be a contributor on many teams good enough to make the NCAA Tournament.  Getting to the dance is, for many, a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. I wish he had that chance while he was here. Good luck to him.  He's left our program in a better state than when he found it.
24  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: RHG renovations on: March 13, 2017, 01:22:30 pm
The fact that they closed the comments section to that article shows that they clearly are in the wrong and they don't care.

What article are you talking about?
25  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Kingsbridge Armory -- A home? on: February 06, 2017, 01:46:58 pm
Not the worst option. We already saw that with the proposed Mt. Vernon arena.

Devil would be in the details with the quality of the arena, parking, and transportation options. Things like shuttles running from Campus would be necessary. No reason to not kick the tires. It would need to be a really good option to move off campus.

Agreed 100%.  A mid-sized arena is being built right down the road from us.  How can you not look at this and evaluate, at the very least.
26  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Kingsbridge Armory -- A home? on: February 06, 2017, 01:44:51 pm
As long as there is zero financial commitment, I have minimal objections.

Of course, there will be some financial commitment.  We'd need to look into the extent of that commitment.

Staying in the RHG, with donors paying for $2.5 million of upgrades, has zero financial commitment.  So if you want zero financial commitment, that's our only option.
27  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Kingsbridge Armory -- A home? on: February 06, 2017, 11:52:35 am
I mentioned this in another thread and someone objected to me making that thread into a facilities thread.  Out of deference to that objection, I'll start a new discussion here.

The current plan for the renovation for the Kingsbridge Armory involves a 5,500 seat arena -- principally to be an ice arena. 

But with the Governor's support (he is an alum), and the Bronx Borough President's support, couldn't we get some consideration into making this into an all-purpose 6,000 seat arena?

What are your thoughts about Kingsbridge as a home for Fordham hoops?  It is less than a mile walk from our Third Avenue Gate.

The Bronx could use a first-rate all purpose, mid-sized arena.
The Bronx could advance its image with an arena that could draw first-rate artists and entertainers for shows, performances, etc.
The arena could be used by other colleges (Manhattan, CUNY, etc).

We should be actively promoting the idea of enhancing Fordham's reputation as a tool to stabilize the Bronx and improve the Bronx's image.  A university that is seen as a peer to Georgetown and Boston College helps the Bronx.  We should be reminding civic leaders at the local, city, and state level that the Bronx needs to boast that, among its attributes, is the presence of a world-class university.  Helping Fordham helps the Bronx.

I know many of you object to the modern vision of Fordham as an "elite" university as contrary to his historical mission.  I understand that, and I mourn that loss too.  But Fordham did its job so well that its successful graduates, many of whom were first-generation college students, now can send their children anywhere.  Unfortunately, Fordham now must change with the times.  Fordham must become elite -- especially if New York State starts giving free tuition to state residents at SUNYs -- in order to survive as a first-tier institution.  Hopefully, we can still find the room for first-generation college students, and shower them with generous financial aid, in the new Fordham. 

I believe a competitive basketball program can be one factor to assist in addressing our low yield concerns.
28  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: RHG renovations on: February 04, 2017, 12:42:49 pm
Not the whole we need a new arena thread......we have plenty of those........

Don't you think people would be more willing to stroke checks for these RHG reonvations if they knew the renovations were a stop gap, and we had plans for something better down the road?

I agree with you the court should not be named after FXM.
29  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: RHG renovations on: February 04, 2017, 11:47:53 am
Stop turning this into a facilities thread. This about one very specific issue.


A thread about renovating the RHG isn't a facilities thread?
30  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: RHG renovations on: February 04, 2017, 11:40:08 am
Paging Dave Roach!

There are two things going on in our backyard that we need to be on top of immediately.

Less than a mile away from our 3rd Avenue Gate, developers are planning to build a 5,500 seat arena in connection with the renovation of the Kingsbridge Armory.  Private investors, the state, and the Bronx Borough President are all behind this.  This is our new home.  Talk them into making it a 6,000 seat arena and let the developers know you want in as a basketball tenant.

NYCFC is looking to build a 25,000 seat soccer stadium.  The only plan that ever made any sense was the plan to tear down the old, unused parking garage that ran along the right-field line at the old Yankee Stadium, and to tear down and re-locate an adjacent factory.  Mayor Bloomberg signed off on the deal in late 2013, and this deal was going to get done, but Mayor DeBlasio objected when he came into office.  It will eventually happen when Mayor DeBlasio gets tossed, likely later this year.  The infrastructure to support a major sports venue is already there.  We should be looking at this stadium as a potential home venue for some of our bigger home football games.

We should be sending letters to Gov. Cuomo and Borough President Diaz letting them know we'd like to be a tenant at Kingsbridge.
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