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1  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: July 19, 2017, 12:28:08 pm
From the footage of Trey Evens, he looks to be built quite well.  His shooting form looks solid too.  I hope people are right who are saying he is going to be a big time player for us.  Can he come close to the productions that Hawkins provided?  Can Hicks come close to what AA provided?  Can the improvement of Bunting, Chuba, and a healthy Slanina make up for CS?
As for the 2 transfers, we have 11 guys who are on ship for next season.  Last season, we used 11 scholarship players.  The season before, we also used 11.  Both seasons one went to DBA, and the other to an injured player.  I would say using 2 ships this year is fine of it means that both players will help us the year after.

Yeah, he does look pretty ripped.  Bunting, Hicks, Evans, Slanina, Tavares all getting after it this summer.   

https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=willie%20cruz
2  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: July 18, 2017, 12:04:09 pm
The top kids are well-scouted and aggressively courted, yes, and upper-tier athletes in any sport will garner attention in literally any country on earth these days. The issue, then, is the next tier down internationally: players with good size/athleticism but unrefined skills; players with good skills that are undersized; players that only recently transitioned to basketball from another sport after a growth spurt.

Limiting the pool of desirable teams to NCAA contenders as your example puts forth, let's say 33% of teams in the NCAA are either annual or very regular NCAA entrants. That's about 120 teams times 13 scholarships per team = 1560 scholarships in any year, divided by 4 to account for departing seniors = 390 recruits for those teams per year. That's not a huge amount of players. Even as the big programs will get their pick of the litter in Europe, Africa, South America, and regions beyond, there's still plenty relatively unheralded talent to be looked at. We might not land a Chris Welp, but we very reasonably could find another Christian Sengfelder.

Yeah, counting all 351 Div I schools at an average of about 4 new guys a year (counting for washouts), 99% plus will go somewhere else.  Even UNC, coming off a title and back to back finals, only signed 1 top 100 guy, and that was Raymond Felton's nephew so a legacy.  They can't recruit one and dones like Kentucky, Duke, Arizona and Kansas.  Even in state guys they lost out on John Wall, Bam Adebayo, Dennis Smith, Harry Giles and Brandon Ingram.

Getting more excited about Evans, and Hicks is like adding a new guy.  Ohams is local.  Tavares and Slanina played local juco (I guess that at let gave a hint they like NYC).

Cruz had Slanina, Tavares, Evans et al all practicing their shooting form in a pool this summer.  On the court in practice, Evans' shot looks great.  Also doing some football drill.  Y'all that have been touting him are right:

   https://twitter.com/CoachCruz4/status/887097188303728644

https://twitter.com/Wilson1Joell/status/885683779842519040

https://twitter.com/CoachCruz4/status/885240108764549120

https://twitter.com/CoachCruz4/status/885889747973025792

Nice to see some of the guys getting after it this summer.  Not that it means all that much necessarily but Evans shot looks nice.  Would love to see some good outside shooting and taking care of the ball to go with the havoc D. And you have to be in shape to play that D.


Cruz also has some shots up of Slanina and Bunting doing weights.  Would like to see Chuba hitting them!  But don't want him to lose those elasticman arms.

We still have one more international dude coming?  May be that this class is going to be sneaky good. 


3  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: July 15, 2017, 10:26:10 am
Hell of a prediction. My words two days prior to your prediction:

"Evans will come in heavier, I'll hold to the prediction that he'll be our best player/top scorer."





Chartouny best thief and all around guy.  A full healthy season.

Evans best go to scorer.

Hicks best shooter.

Ohams rebounding and human eraser, improved offense.

Slanina best post scorer, rim protector.

Havsa best ball handling magician.

Tavares most improved.

Pekarek comeback player of the year.

Bunting high jumping bench big.

Zarko head cheerleader.

Raut ? And the Mysterians

4  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Ivan Raut signs with Fordham on: July 14, 2017, 11:20:26 am
Not just offense but we need to replace clutch offense. Down the stretch, Hawkins and AA were money.  Hicks will be crucial to step up with some leadership and offense. Lot of question marks but a few pieces (Bunting, Havsa, Ohams) that look like they have the potential to be promising. Then again, a lot of players look promising in July!

Just commenting on thread about Hawkins contract in Finland, and noticed how big he was in the big wins.  22 points and 6 boards against VCU on 8-14.  20 against Rhodey on only 8 FG attempts, with 9 boards.  17 points and 9 boards in the Davidson win.  Bad as we were on offense, we still need to replace that.  As VTRAM says hopefully we cut down on TOs.  And need some outside magic.
5  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: JaVontae Hawkins signs pro basketball contract in Finland on: July 14, 2017, 11:12:23 am
Good for him.  Fordham grads doing well overseas, which should be a selling point.  Mandell Thomas averaged 12.8 shooting over 40% from 3 for BC Tartu in Estonia.  Rhoomes at 11.7 and 7.3 for St. Quentin in the French b-league. He shot .623 from the filed.  His team was awful but looks like he did his job.

Javontae took a little while but I think he got better as the season went on.  His game changed from Eastern Kentucky, where he was really good from 2.  That slipped a tad at Fordham, perhaps due to tougher D, but his 3 point shooting got much better as the season went on, hitting over 40% in conference, and he was asked to carry a big load for Fordham.  He was excellent in the big wins over Davidson, VCU and Rhodey.   
6  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Ivan Raut signs with Fordham on: July 12, 2017, 03:39:34 pm


Chartouny, Havsa, Hicks, Evans, Chuba, Slanina is a competitive six.



We return 7 of our top 8 guys in steal% and steals per 40 (out of anyone who played significant minutes).  With the core you mention we still should be demons at turning other teams over.  And hopefully adding Evans and Hicks into the mix with Chartouny and Havsa from deep we'll have plenty of 3 and D.

A-10 Talk picks Fordham last as well (they put Bonnies first and I gotta say it may be their year).  On paper i get it, but I think there's a lot more talent coming back than folks realize.  A lot of these guys got blooded in some big A-10 wins when others were down.  I mean, UMass, Dukes, Billikens, sure, they add some newbies with press clippings, but they have been worse than Fordham in conference 2 years running.  Saint Joe's wasn't that good early last year before its guys went down.  And the big boys lost some damn good players.  It's pretty wide open this year even if there'll be more league wide parity.  And sure you need talent but it ain't played on paper.  8-10 2 years ago was a step up. 7-11 this year was disappointing but after that start, sheesh.  I get it. Don't aim low.  Gotta get over .500.

Have to see what Raut adds, but I'm starting to cotton to the rest of the team.   
7  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Rothstein's A-10 Offseason Notebook on: July 11, 2017, 04:13:32 pm
I'm okay with this kind of scenario.  It makes it that much more satisfying when Fordham beats expectations.

Only beat expectations slightly last year.  Picked 11th, finished 10th.  But after the non-conference and starting 0-3, finishing 10th wasn't as bad as the 1-15 or so season some were projecting at 0-3.  And when we got to 7-8 at one point there looked like  chance for more.

In 2015-16 picked 14th, finished 8th.   First division this year. Smiley
8  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Rothstein's A-10 Offseason Notebook on: July 11, 2017, 09:22:03 am
Any relation to this guy? His long lost Turkish cousin? Twice removed?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Toone


9  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Rothstein's A-10 Offseason Notebook on: July 10, 2017, 05:06:48 pm
A safe prediction but the media had us picked lower than our finish 2 years running.  An even safer bet is we wont finish last. Just dont know which team's we beat out.  I also think we will actually be better this year despite the loss of starters. 
10  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: DePaul transfer Erten Gazi has committed to Fordham, per a source. on: June 29, 2017, 12:38:10 pm
On the flip side... EVERYONE was all sorts of juiced up when we signed Severe. I understand the desire to sign that hype-train type guy but we've been burned before, and we've been surprised before. Havsa and Prokop were not heralded signings. no-one was excited about them joining the team. PS didn't exactly blow us away last year but I think he showed us that he has a lot to offer, and I'm expecting a big step forward this year. Havsa flat out shocked us last year and I think we'll see a significant develop with his game too.

I'm going to trust their scouting ability for now. I don't think we really have a reason to dismiss it yet.

Slanina was the team's 2nd leading scorer per possession and per 40 minutes in conference last year, averaging 15 and 7.4.  Main thing with him is keeping him on the floor. And maybe fewer 3s.  Havsa led the team in effective field goal percentage in conference.  By a huge margin. Admittedly small sample.

They'll be deferring less.  I think they will be a big part of the offense.  Along with Chartouny.  And I expect a lot of drives and dishes by Havsa for some Ohams Slams!  And we'll see what Evans and Hicks can bring.  Last year's team was fairly putrid offensively despite the upper classmen.  Defense drove the team and I think we have the personnel to be good again at D, and I don't see how much worse we could be on offense.  Frankly I think we are overrating the guys who left somewhat because they took the shots.  Don't get me wrong, I wish they were back, but I expect PS and CH to be pretty good.  Ohams, too.  Hopefully his offensive game develops, but he was a good rebounder and defender.  
11  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: DePaul transfer Erten Gazi has committed to Fordham, per a source. on: June 29, 2017, 10:41:52 am
That sounds right...but perhaps if we're relying on either, that doesn't bode well for the product on the floor regardless...

Sixteen years ago, the snowy hills of Tarnow were carved up by Shay Berry...and that regime ended up receiving (deserved) damnation from the four dozen chair backs. I'm curious to see how this Turkish experiment turns out. I wouldn't necessary buy these adds. I do not believe they move the needle towards respectability, particularly in a conference that will be much improved next year. If Pekarek, Gazi, Saglam are Players 8/9/10 and not 5/6/7 then I guess that's fine...

The statistical analysis against Gazi (illustrated earlier) is truly cringe worthy. One of the more unproductive players playing at this level...But I also won't rule out the potential chemistry with Havsa. Maybe there's something there, and that's an optimistic angle.

You gotta squint hard on the statistical analysis.  He's shot 25-38 from 2 on his career.  Even with an abysmal 6-27 from 3, his effective field goal percentage is .523.  That's better than Anderson, Hawkins, Chartouny last year, etc.  As you point out, his usage percentage was very low.  We know he can dunk, and most of his 2s were likely layups/dunks.  As for his 3 point shot, well, it's hard when you are shooting less than 1 per game to know anything, it's way too random and a very small sample size.  Same goes for his nice 2 point percentage.  But his glaring offensive deficiency is really turnovers.

As noted, you can't necessarily go by his turkish highlights (that sounds like Peter Graves in Airplane: "Have you ever seen Turkish highlights, Billy?").  Players make all their 3s in those.  But his form doesn't look bad.  We know he can jump.

Sometimes it takes young players a while to develop.   And as for the depth chart, well, i don't know how good Hicks really is, but right now I'd say those 3 you mention probably are 8, 9 and 10 for 2018-19 (9, 10, 11 if Chartouny comes back for year 4), unless Pekarek bounces back to end of season 2016 levels.  You'd have Havsa, Evans, Hicks and Portley in the back court, and Chartouny if he's back.  Slanina, Ohams and Bunting up front, so that's 7 or 8 guys ahead of them most likely, then Gazi, Pekarek and Saglam.  And that season is 16-17 months away.  There'll be other additions.

I actually see a guy with upside and at least a guy who will fit our defensive scheme, is 5th or 6th on the guard chart, but has length and could play some wing in a pinch.  Everyone wants a stud, sure.  I see limited downside and possible upside.  Welcome aboard.   
12  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: A10 Incoming/Outgoing List 2017-18 on: June 28, 2017, 11:35:37 am

We have probably hit our limit on transfers who need to sit a year.  He was the star of a pretty good Cardozo team but had a bit of a numbers crunch ahead of him with the Bonnies.  I wonder if that means we see more potential in Gazi?  Or maybe we didn't know he'd be available, or if he'd have any interest. He didn't do much this year anyway.
13  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: DePaul transfer Erten Gazi has committed to Fordham, per a source. on: June 28, 2017, 11:29:06 am
The more I look into him the more I like this guy.  He really does have some athleticism.  For 2018-19 we should be pretty set at guard even if Chartouny graduates early.  This guy looks like he could develop an offensive game, but he seems like he would fit our defensive scheme.  We'll have (presumably; we all see how things change quickly these days in college hoops) Havsa, Evans, Portley and Hicks.  Gazi gives us some length off the bench.  Havsa is 6'4" but isn't as athletic as Gazi.  Portley is 6'3".  The other guys are shorter.

Inside there's Bunting, Slanina, Pekarek and Ohams.  With Saglam as a 'tweener.  And still time to add.  We need more bangers, but JN likes a wide open style anyway.  And from the footage it does seem like Havsa and Garzi play well together.  

And IF Chartouny comes back for a 4th year and we add someone exciting, a scoring wing, a banger, that seems like a pretty good A-10 team with JN, Ton and Crawford at the helm.

85 brings up the threat of Portley and Gazi being graduate transfers.  If they stay they help us out into 2019-20 with an experienced core group of Havsa, Ohams, Evans, Portley, Gazi.  That team will defintely need some size but a long way off.

So, getting ahead of myself, but since the guy is sitting a year all you can do is contemplate down the road.  The staff obviously is.

As for this coming year, I am still cautiously optimistic.  We have a bunch of guys coming back who played their parts in some major wins either last year or the year before.  Adding Evans and Hicks hopefully helps.  Maybe Saglam shows something.

Doesn't seem like we are adding much more, except our euro mystery date  But the "good" thing, if you could call it that, was that different guys stepped up at different times in wins and tight games.  They weren't all playing major minutes at the same time, but we have a better idea that Slanina, Havsa, Ohams and Bunting can all contribute.  Slanina with 10 and 8 against Davidson, 15 and 5 with 2 blocks against St. Joe's.  Havsa with 10 against Duquesne, and the great flurry late to almost pull out the GW game.  With excellent passing.  Ohams with 10 boards, 2 steals and a block against VCU.  Bunting with 7 boards and 3 blocks against St. Louis (the only game he played more than 20 minutes), or the 6 points and 4 clutch free throws late against St. Joe's in double OT.  Even Tavares with 10 points, 5 boards and a block in the St. Joe's win.

Sure, there was inconsistency and  they mostly weren't major scorers, although Havsa and Slanina seem like they could develop that.  Even Ohams with the 12 and 7 against LaSalle showed there may be some offense in there.  Don't forget it was the first major college minutes for most of these guys as the 5th option usually when they were on the court with Hawkins, Anderson, Sengfelder and Chartouny.  

Chartouny you know what you'll get.  Hopefully the other guys show growth, with Pekarek's soph season a cautionary tale on that front, but mostly JN seems to develop guys.  With Evans and Hicks the wildcards.  Not everything will work out, but there's a chance for this team to surprise.    

 
14  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: A10 Incoming/Outgoing List 2017-18 on: June 28, 2017, 10:25:45 am
Chuckie Maggio @chuckiemaggio
Tareq Coburn is leaving St. Bonaventure, according to a source

Didn't Fordham offer him?
15  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: DePaul transfer Erten Gazi has committed to Fordham, per a source. on: June 27, 2017, 02:15:10 pm
How about we watch him play then decide if he is a good get. Novel idea.



I think it is fair to say this guy is probably a depth piece for next year.  But at least he has some experience and will have a year to learn the system.  I really like Havsa, and still think Saglam will turn into something, so I just trust Ton's judgment. 

He's played a lot with Havsa in Turkey, and isn't as highly rated as he is.  I translated a bunch of turkish search results into english and Havsa would get most of the superlatives.   He is athletic and has some serious hops (you can google his block against Chicago St. this past year).  Good defender, not a great shooter so far.
16  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: DePaul transfer Erten Gazi has committed to Fordham, per a source. on: June 27, 2017, 01:48:57 pm
well, there are always walk-ons.   Wink

I actually do think Saglam could end up being pretty good.  I assume he is still paying is way this coming year.
17  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Joe Chartouny on: June 26, 2017, 01:40:38 pm
He's playing for the Rams this coming season after wisely testing the Pro waters this Spring.  Good for him on both counts. 

I wonder if he could beat the guy the Knicks picked with their 2nd round pick, Ognjen Jaramaz, in one on one.
18  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: June 21, 2017, 02:22:03 pm
That's what I thought.  I can't figure out how he gets 4 stars, though.  That is a very high rating.

ESPN is the only one giving him 4 stars.  He's their 37th ranked point guard.  They give him a scout grade of 80, which appears to be their cutoff for 4 stars.  247 Sports gives him a composite rank of 248th nationally (46th ranked point guard) and 3 stars.

Here's a note on Nick from Phenom Hoop report from May of 2016 at the Indianapolis EYBL (so this is old):

"Nick Honor 2018 5'10" PG for E1T1 United (FL) - I got to see E1T1 twice this session and Honor was someone who caught my eye. From squaring up at the arc to using his strong build to penetrate and dish the Orlando native certainly piqued some coaches interest. In game 1 he hit 5-9 from three with 4asts and while he cooled off Sunday morning, just 2-9 from arc, he still played hard even as his squad was being beaten by 20." 

Not much to go on, but yes, doesn't seem like a P5 guy.
19  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Should Fordham Deny Releases for Transfers? on: June 15, 2017, 07:18:24 am
Actually, I think to generate some fresh interest in the tournament (which is suffering in the ratings), there shouldould be a formula to determine a cap on the number of teams eligible to make the NCAAs in a specific year.  It could based on how successful the conference was in advancing teams previously. I think more non-elite conference teams would be refreshing.

Are ratings suffering? When you include on-line?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/live-feed/march-madness-ratings-pacing-at-24-year-high-987463
20  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: June 14, 2017, 10:20:46 am
So a recruit is visiting another school and you want to fixate over the arena?  Did you fixate and comment over the arenas of the schools that were recruiting Tre Evans? 

What recruit wouldn't want to play in the House that Elgin Baylor built. 

Not to rag on Seattle.  Things got so bad around here that Seattle's first 4 years back in Division I they beat Fordham out in the Kenpom ranks.  But not the last 4 years.  And the conference is definitely not A-10 quality.  But it's good they got a new coach and good for them they got a Virginia/DC area recruit to come out to Seattle for a visit.  I think he'd be better off here but I'm biased.
21  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: June 14, 2017, 01:18:05 am

Regardless, the team and conference aren't good.   The new coach is good though.
22  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: June 13, 2017, 01:38:44 pm
Care to elaborate?? Transfer, Euro, JUCO, HS?

Also a couple recruiting updates:

1) Lehigh Transfer Brandon Alston to Georgia Tech (visited Fordham)

2) American Transfer Delante Jones visiting Seattle, only other school he's been linked to besides Fordham thus far

Seattle is a bad team in a bad conference.  They left D-I in 1980 only came back about 10 years ago. 

However, they have a new coach, Jim Hayford, who did a good job with Eastern Washington, developing players who were not big time recruits.  Not much of a step up from Patriot League there.  Sideways.   
23  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: June 13, 2017, 10:59:30 am
Some legit recruiting news.  Won't help us next year, but Fordham offered former Patriot League Freshman of the Year Delante Jones (Soph) from American.  6'5 guard who averaged 11.5ppg and shot 34% 3pt last year.


https://twitter.com/tay_mchugh/status/873348372379381761


In a way he's like Portley.  He stagnated in his second year.  His eFG% went down, his efficiency rating went down.  Unlike Portley his counting stats stayed about the same, as his usage went up slightly.  He has turnover issues.  12.5% assist rate and 21.6% turnover rate.  I saw an article where the coach said he thought he might have some struggles in year 2 as he became more of a focus of opponent's D.  And the article said because he had problems creating off the dribble opponent's could run him off the 3 point line.  Although his 2 point % wasn't bad (a bit better than Portley's).  But maybe that's where the turnover problem cropped up.

Both appear to be talented players who struggled somewhat in year 2 in a lower conference.  A little disgruntled but moving up in class anyway.  It'll be interesting to see what we make of guys like this (if he signs).  Perhaps they will thrive in JN's system.  American and St. Peter's weren't bad at creating turnovers themselves, although not as good at it as Fordham.  And American, like Fordham, had a hard time taking care of the ball.
24  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: June 07, 2017, 02:06:09 pm
I've heard stupider predictions on this forum  Grin

Not so bad.

In the last 7 games of the year Havsa averaged 26 minutes a game.  His offensive rating was 102.36, his D rating 99.62 per 100 possessions.  Opponent conference record in those games was 63-63, so a fair sample.  A little better than average on O and a scratch defender.  Chartouny's conference ORtg was 94.5 and his DRtg was 95.9.  Better defender but worse on offense.  Chartouny had injuries and other absences  conference and I don't think that's representative of his overall play.

But that stretch where Havsa was playing major minutes, his ORtg and DRtg are both better than Hawkins's conference ratings (albeit at a much lower usage rate), and much better on both scores than than Anderson's. 

Apologies, since I know this is the recruiting thread.  In the backcourt, at least, replacing Anderson with more Havsa, Hicks, and Evans (there's my recruiting tie-in), may mean significant improvement.  And a healthy JC would help, too.     
25  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Starting Line Up '17-18' on: June 07, 2017, 01:33:00 pm
I like Havsa too for many of the same reasons.  He even had a few flashes last season that reminded me of one of my all-time favorites... Pistol Pete Maravich.

However, I think he's a solid role player off the bench.  I can't see him keeping up with A10 play for 25-30 minutes a game.  I think it will expose some weaknesses in speed, defense, transition, ball protection, etc.  I hope I'm wrong.

He played 28 and 20 minutes in the Duquesne and Saint Louis wins.  He played 25 and 31 in the narrow losses to GW and George Mason, and he certainly didn't cost us the GW game.  Almost won it for us several times.  VTRAM points to his last 3 games.  In March he averaged 30 minutes + per game in 3 games, 8 points, 2 steals, 2.7 assists, 1 turnover a game on 50% shooting, from the field and from 3, for a 68.7% eFG%.  Sounds like a guy who could be more than an A-10 role player.  Only 3 games but the biggest of his life (well, I don't know how big he feels the euro U18's are). Whatever his faults, the team played excellent D in the Rhodey-Saint Louis-Duquense win streak and he averaged about 20 minutes a game then, so we were able to overcome whatever his shortcomings are.  I'm focused on what he can do.

 
26  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: June 07, 2017, 01:15:07 pm
Are we in an official Fordham University "quiet period"?  Or is this topic link broken?

I feel so down about the lack of announcements that I take it as a good omen.  It's irrational, I'll admit it.

Keep repeating... 'It's always darkest before the dawn, It's always darkest before the dawn, It's always...."

The biggest problem with these late signed international players of ours is that the fans don't have enough time in the off-season to learn how to pronounce their damn names!

I'm a glass 3/4 full optimist.  Was very disappointed when Anderson and Sengfelder left.  But hear's the pollyanna's take:

Fordham had that 3 game win streak late.  At that time there were 8 scholarship guys for 1 game (Rhodey) and 7 for the next 2 (Chartouny went down).  And that 7-8 scholarship squad almost went 5-2 down the stretch, losing heart breakers to GW and Richmond, with 2 freshmen playing major minutes (and well).  Slanina, Pekarek, and Zarko all down, Chartouny down for 2 of the wins, and Hicks never played.  Yes, I know there's sentiment for looking at Pekarek and Zarko as addition by subtraction, but they were at least depth, had played significant minutes (Pekarek starting) during win streaks the year before, and by the end we were exhausted and could have at least used extra bodies.

So, look at it as Hawkins, Anderson and Sengfelder leaving from that year-end team.  In come Slanina, Evans, Hicks, Pekarek and Zarko.  Perhaps not an even tradeoff.  But Slanina played major minutes in big wins. 10 and 8 against Davidson, 13 and 7 against UMAss, 15 and 5 with 2 blocks against St. Joe's.  Sure, we had him, but we managed to play fairly well even when he was gone.

Pekarek and Zarko, like I said, they played ok for a winning team in 2015-16.

Hicks and Evans we don't know, but they could be quite good.

Havsa and Ohams are now experienced sophomores.

So now we have 10 scholarship guys instead of the 7 we won some games with during that winning streak last year.  We won the Saint Louis and Duquesne games without Chartouny or Slanina (or Pekarek or Zarko, much less Evans or Hicks). 

I think we have the talent to compete.  We need more.  There are always injuries.  I actually think Saglam will be a good one, too, eventually.

Havsa wasn't announced until late last year, August.  So I hold out hope for more.  But we have 8 guys coming back who have played 15-20 minutes per game or more in winning stretches the last couple of years.  Sure, most as role players, but there's always turnover.  Young guys have to step up. 

So hopefully Ali Ton has another hidden Turk, but even so I think there's a chance with the guys we have to be good.   

 
27  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Starting Line Up '17-18' on: June 07, 2017, 12:28:10 pm
I find it interesting that Havsa isn't getting more love in this thread. By the end of last year he was playing arguably as well as any of our guards. JN couldn't keep him off the floor and he should only be stronger and more comfortable. Look at his games working backwards from the end of the year:

Mason (A-10's) - 31 Min, 7 pts, 2 A, 4 stls,1 TO
@ Lasalle - 36 Min, 5 Pts, 6 A, 2 Stls, 1 TO
GW - 25 Min, 12 pts, 0 A, 1 TO

To me the most important thing here was that he only had 3 TO's in 3 games where he saw major mins. I think JC is better and more comfortable not being the primary ball handler so I think he and Havsa could work well together. Again I will wait and see what we get but for now I would say

Starters:
Havsa
JC
Pekarek
Ohams
Slanina

Bench
Hicks, Evans, Taveres, Bunting, Zarkovic, New Guy #1, New Guy #2

Obviously that lineups depends on Pekarek returning to form after last year. Would not at all be surprised to see another guard there instead.

Love Havsa.  He just has a flair about him, the fancy passes.  Superficially, I love that aspect. He played a lot late in the year, and yes, cutting down on turnovers is a big deal, as he was prone earlier.  I think Vinseiro mentions he's bothered by the high dribble.  Big drawback on the team has been turnovers.  Can't turn it over nearly 20% per game.  Doesn't work in any system, but given our shooting (hopefully that improves), pace and rebounding, the TO per possession spread is our bread and butter so have to hold onto the ball much better.  Havsa was able to play minutes without too many TOs late in the year.  And he can create for others, tall enough to see over most Ds out top.  Obviously nailing all those 3s late against GW showed some stones.

We will be able to rotate in a lot of guards.  Even with AA gone it's a strength.  Question on Havsa may be on-ball D (and hope his outside shot is for real), but he seemed to do fine last year in the trapping aspect.
28  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Starting Line Up '17-18' on: June 07, 2017, 12:17:40 pm
Slanina and Havsa were late additions last year, no?

Slanina verbally committed on April 15 (mentioned in NY Post on 4/16/2017).

Havsa first mention I see is a Rambacker post announcing it in recruiting thread August 17, 2016 (Saglam a week or 2 later).     
29  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Starting Line Up '17-18' on: June 06, 2017, 10:57:14 am
Do we have the shooting to take advantage of the opportunities the "D" gives us?  No idea. Looking to Hicks and Evans to lead the way on that score.

Chartouny wasn't bad from 3 last year.  .382.  But as we saw with Sengfelder's slump last year 3 point shooting can fluctuate, but hoping JC's improvement is real.  And hopefully we get in conference 3 point shooting from Havsa (or at least the GW game heroics), and out of conference 3 point shooting from Tavares when he plays.  He started the year 11-19 from 3 until he got hurt against Rutgers.

Here is an early season tweet on Tavares from DalyDoseofHoops, which follows metro area college hoops:

 "Fordham's Will Tavares reminds me a lot of a young Fuquan Edwin. Has same slashing mentality on offense and a defensive stud on the wing."

That was on December 8.  Needless to say we didn't see much of that later in the year.

Anyway, hoping we get good shooting from JC, Hicks and Evans.  The problem with 3 point shooting last year was inconsistency.  Hawkins and AA started off poorly but were really good in conference, as was JC. Sengfelder went into a huge slump in conference, Tavares was awful i conference, and everyone else didn't shoot that well from 3 (other than Havsa's little run), so it dragged down the shooting from AA, JC and JH.  Slanina was good from 2 and unless he improves should tone down the 3s.
30  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Starting Line Up '17-18' on: June 05, 2017, 11:59:35 am
Pekarek only started 1 game last year.  Tavares was starting some even before Pekarek went down for the year. The team did have a good run with Pekarek starting the year before.

Ohams also started 9 games.  But his starts were usually when Slanina didn't start, even before Slanina went down.  For example Ohams started against VCU and UMass.  Slanina came off the bench in those games.

I'd like to see Ohams start with Slanina, but given foul proclivities and interior depth it seems they don't start together.

What matters most is minutes played.  We likely will see a lot of 3 guard line-ups so Hicks, Evans, Chartouny and Havsa will all get a lot of run.

Speaking of Tavares, he had a disappointing year.  He played minutes but had a limited role in the offense and he shot awfully as the season wore on.  He had decent games in the win at St. Joe's and the win against Duquesne.

What I had forgotten was when he hurt his knee against Rutgers.  He was much worse after that game.  Of course the schedule was weaker.  But prior to that game he averaged 7.9 ppg in 21.2 mpg.  Over 40 minutes that's 14.9, which would have been 2nd on the team (tied with Sengfelder) over the full season.  And 2.75  steals per 40 (2nd on team if over a full year).  On 59.2 eFG%, which would have led the team.  Small sample, of course, but he was 11-19 from 3.  Thereafter he went 8-38 from 3. Brutal. 

I don't think it was just that, but he may have been playing hurt as well.  Anyway, I recall him mostly being bad but he didn't start off that badly.  He started in a variety of line-ups.  Optimally he doesn't start next year absent significant improvement.    If he's back.  Haven't heard much about him this off-season.
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