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1  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. Florida A&M - PreGame/InGame 12/21, 7pm on: Yesterday at 04:12:55 pm
East Tennessee was beating #10 Xavier atXavier by 22 with 14 minute left. By 17 with 7 minutes left. And lost by 2.

And Rutgers beat #15 Seton Hall.
2  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. Florida A&M - PreGame/InGame 12/21, 7pm on: December 14, 2017, 02:15:08 pm
This is Fordham. You can never assume anything against any opponent.

You were the one saying pull Chartouny against St. Francis.  Cheesy  They got it to 8 with over a minute left and JC assisted Slanina to make it 10 and ice the game.  So you're right, never assume.  But you didn't want to risk Chartouny, either.

The one line I saw was only 13 so may not get the chance, but sure, if we get a 20 point lead late we can give the starters a rest.  Not all of them though since we only have 7 or 8 guys anyway!  We even have to triage our garbage time minutes.  Shocked
3  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. Florida A&M - PreGame/InGame 12/21, 7pm on: December 14, 2017, 12:24:14 pm
Hopefully nobody has the sniffles.

Come on guys, its basketball, play the game, we dont save anyone for any game. Please now.  Stop coddling these guys.



Just once the game is in hand hopefully.  Like against St. Francis when JC hurt his ankle but was still out there.  Ice it quickly so we don't have to risk the few decent players we have. Then by the end let Havsa do all the Globetrotter stuff and Evans can launch a few.

But yes, come conference games I want the top 5 out there as much as possible.
4  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. Florida A&M - PreGame/InGame 12/21, 7pm on: December 14, 2017, 11:56:04 am
I think playing those guys 30+ minutes would be a mistake against FAMU. I get the idea of getting our top 5 truly going, but I think a game like this is ideal to get someone like Pekarek, who had a good game against Rutgers, truly going.

Oops. Yeah, that's probably true, assuming we take care of things.  And West Virginia is likely to be tough going anyway, so keep them rested after a nice break.  But come conference I'd like to see those top 5 get the bulk of minutes.  All five have shown some offense ability, JC more so in the past. Pekarek will of necessity play significant minutes anyway as the only bench "big". 
5  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. Florida A&M - PreGame/InGame 12/21, 7pm on: December 14, 2017, 11:42:40 am
I'd like to see us go with this line-up:

Hicks
Chartouny
Tavares
Raut
Slanina

Those guys all 30 minutes or more.

Play inside out more.  Slanina post ups, Tavares drives.  Three-point shooting mostly reserved for Hicks and Raut.  Occasional Slanina.  Will and Joe 3s only as 4th or 5th options.  They are likely not this bad but their career %s are Joe at 32.5%, WT at 30.4% (most of that from some decent games in OOC last year).  That can play as last resorts but not as first options.  WT has been great inside the arc this year.  JC only slightly above 40% but he's pretty good at getting inside.

That may open up the outside a bit.  Not that we haven't had wide open shots we've just clanked, but it may lessen the threat of closeouts and perhaps things will flow better.

Pekarek has been better recently, at least active, but that starting 5 are our best players, assuming Joe gets some shots to start falling and we stop with the turnovers and shot clock violations.  We will obviously need Havsa (if we ever hear what is up with him) and Evans but they'll have to earn more time than backup minutes.  Evans has shown small signs of life but too timid still.

That starting 5 looks decent.  Needs consistency, more shots for Slanina, fewer 3s from WT and JC, and JC to play like what he has shown in his 1st 2 years.
6  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. Florida A&M - PreGame/InGame 12/21, 7pm on: December 13, 2017, 04:41:10 pm
T-Rank has it Fordham 70 Florida A&M 57.

I'd like a blow-out where we don't take the foot off the pedal a la St. Francis.  They allow 59.5% from 2.  Feed it to Slanina all day.  Assuming he is healthy.
7  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 03:27:39 pm
+1 some of these comparisons are off the chart.

Naturally.  I am not comparing the level of players at all.  Merely that many teams only play their best scholarship players.  And Kansas is sitting 4 transfers this year, had a grad transfer leave and one guy ruled ineligible.  Their fans are making very similar complaints about roster and scholarship management.

They have first world problems, no doubt.  But the issue of should you sign transfers or not, how you manage scholarships effects everyone.  i only use them as examples because they are well-know examples I have already read about.  The absolute level of the players isn't the issue.  Everyone gets the same number of scholarships, everyone has decide how many minutes to give to guys on your roster who are below your best players.  It sucks being down to only 8, but that only narrows the question.

An example closer to home would be William & Mary.  They lost the aforesaid Whitman and were left with 1 post player.  So they scoured the woodworks late and signed a grad transfer, Cole Harrison, 6'10" from Dartmouth.  He plays 7 minutes and isn't great.  But at least he is insurance.  But mind you when he signed there we had 3 healthy posts supposedly.  He'd have been buried.  But fact is there may have been no one interested, or even if there was maybe even below that level.     
8  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 03:14:33 pm
At 6'19" he was ruled ineligible to play as he is deemed not human Smiley

Whoops.
9  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Scholarships/Management on: December 13, 2017, 02:29:03 pm
And again, nothing personal against Portley or Gazi but you are sitting them for a year and the risk/reward is they could play next year, graduate and bolt for a 5th year elsewhere, correct?  Is that worth the gamble on them?

Well, if they leave and no one else does we go into 2019-20 looking like this:

Ohams sr
Havsa sr
Evans sr
Raut jr
Honor soph
Austin soph.

Hey 6 guys, just like last night!

Honor and Austin better be good.  We have a slot open next year if JC leaves.  And maybe someone else does.  Maybe Kupsas.  probably someone.  Another frosh, a grad transfer, juco transfer, or a sit out transfer?

We'd have a lot of slots open for 2019-20 if Gazi and Portley leave.  So sub-optimal.

But as I answered in other thread, not sure what the choices were for this year.  Sengfeldr and AA publicly announce leaving in late March.  Portley signs in April.  Myles Johnson announces for Rutgers in May. Gazi says he's going to Fordham in June.  That's the way the grad transfer market does the musical chairs after season ends.

So might as well sign them if no one else good available.  You get them for a year at least, hopefully more.  Perhaps we would be better of signing a couple of high school guys for 2018-19, but they can transfer out, too.
10  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 02:18:35 pm
You're right, very tricky.  Two injuries just compounded it.  Slanina seems like he'll be back.  Havsa who knows.  Which brings up another point.  Why are we so tight-lipped?  I get not giving opponents an advantage, but how about a release on Havsa?  What's his issue.  Zarko?  Not coming back?  Buniting and Ohams?  How did surgery go?  Give us something.

On the limited rotation, if Slanina is back it really isn't all that different from many teams.

1. Syracuse had grad transfer Geno Thorpe leave after 6 games when Boeheim cut his playing time way back.  Shows the risk of that route (same with Whitman leaving Kansas).  Against UConn Syracuse played 7 guys 10 or more minutes, and 1 guy 1 minute.   Guys played 40, 39 and 38 minutes.  They do this most years.

2. Kansas has 8 scholarship guys active.  They played 7 guys in the loss to Arizona State.  Two guys played 39 minutes.

3. Duke played 7 guys 8 minutes or more in loss to BC.  Alex O'Connell played 2, Jordan Goldwire played less than 1.  5 star recruit sophomore Marques Bolden played 8 minutes.  he almost transferred and should have.

Syracuse had scholarship limitations due to their NCAA issues, but Boeheim usually goes to 6-7 core guys.  Kansas Self has a bunch of transfers siting out (the Lawson brothers from Memphis who were Pastner recruits and didn't get along with Tubby Smith; Charlie Greene from Cal who was a Cuonzo Martin recruit, Sam Cunliffe from Arizona State, and Billy Preston academically ineligible) so also scholarship management issues.  Duke has a bench littered with top 100 recruits.  He always whittles it down to 7 guys.  Even the Duke blogs complain.  At least he has depth if there are injuries, but the complaint is they aren't ready if needed later on.  Sure, he only has 5 rings.

So that's 3 hall of fame coaches.  Similar issues, on a much grander scale of course, self-inflicted or otherwise.

Not sure who we could have gotten.  Myles Johnson is redshirting it seems for Rutgers.  I know he had hurt his leg earlier in his high school career.  He at least was interested.  

I think these are the rough dates these things came to public light:

March 23, Sengfelder announces he is leaving.

March 27, Anderson announces he is leaving

April 26, Portley announces he is transferring to Fordham

May 14, Myles Johnson commits to Rutgers (he may have already cut list to Rutgers and Hawaii).

June 26, Gazi announces transfer to Fordham.

The timing makes it pretty clear there was no one else worthwhile we felt we could get for this year.


      



11  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 01:40:41 pm
That's why we are shorthanded this year, so its very relevant.  If the coach or the posters here keep harping on the short bench, this is a large reason why. We are risking a massive trade-off this year for them next year.

Likely no one A-10 caliber wanted to come.  Don't give a scholarship to someone who in reality would be Chris Downing walk-on level just because you have one open this year, because it could screw up future years.  Sengfelder and AA said they were leaving after the season (not sure if JN already knew but it's already late to recruit). Ohams injured his hip in September and tried to play through.  Bunting I don't know when they knew, but he was playing. 

To lose 2 CS and AA, and then 2 guys to injury early like that stinks.  Zarko taking up a scholly stinks.  We have no idea what the alternatives were, but it's almost certain that Portley and even Gazi were better players they thought then someone who would be coming in here just for depth who isn't all that good.  Who exactly are you thinking of we could have and should have signed?  A grad transfer would be great, but who?

There was a guy at William & Mary, Jack Whitman, 6'19", who grad transferred to Kansas.  He went to a few classes this summer at Kansas but bailed.  Kansas btw is playing about 7 guys most nights because they have 3 transfers sitting out, another transfer who becomes eligible later, and a freshman who hasn't qualified academically.

Anyway, I am not sure what the hell happened to Whitman.  Not sure if he can play since he went to some classes at Kansas this summer.  I get it's pointless wondering about him, but who exactly could we have signed to have better roster and scholly management?   Which maybe doesn't paint JN as the best recruiter.  Maybe he knew we were taking a chance at punting this year.
12  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 01:25:08 pm
they were 9-23 last year and the guy couldnt get on the court.

Gazi's career numbers are Havsa/Evans-esque.  Just boiling it down to player efficiency ratings, the numbers are similar.  He looks on tape to at least have some hops.

Portley is better.  I don't care what conference he played in.  Hawkins played for South Florida when it was in the Big East and AAC, but they weren't good, he didn't play that much and wasn't great great when he did.  Better fg% than Portley but much worse from 3 and lower overall eFG%.  He averaged 4.5 ppg and 3.7 ppg for a 13-19 team and a 12-20 team.  So I don't think you can say what's going to happen, even though maybe that's an example of transferring down (to EKU) and then up (to Fordham).  He was a bigger recruit than Portley.  But Evans was 3 star ESPN so not sure how much all that means.  

I know it's futile at this stage after spending last year penciling in sengfelder and AA for this year, but right now, assuming Chartouny goes, next year looks like:

Hicks
Portley
Raut
Ohams
Slanina

Honor
Evans
Austin
Pekarek
Bunting

Gazi
Havsa

With 4 guys in the starting 4 with 34% from 3 or better in their most recent college year.  But hell, JC shot well from 3 last year and has bombed out.  

If Austin and Honor are really good maybe they step right in.

That leaves a spot for Kupsas.  if anyone else is hurt or goes, there's another spot.  I am hoping for Alanzo Frink, who has some length.  But maybe we get someone from Azerbaijan.

OK, too far in the future.

13  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 01:07:43 pm
It's looked like that from game 1. There's been a disconnect and it's growing. Losing just makes it that much worse.

I'll admit they don't look like happy campers.  
14  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 12:10:22 pm
Scholarship management remains an issue. And, whether its just flat out bad luck or its a combination of things.....guys go down like flies under JN. Hicks was out alll last year Zarkovic 1.5 years, Slanina was out for an extended time last year, Ohams and Bunting......you cant leave yourself this thin.....we were eating 3 spots this year up front.......this was bound to happen and predicted.....

I think you are wrong about Portley.  Although yes, with transfers sitting out we rolled the dice and came up snakeyes this year.

Portley played awfully against us (0-3).  But St. Peter's isn't all that bad.  That was our 4th best win last year. They ended Kenpom 93. Although I grant the A-10 wins like against saint Joe's more satisfying.

But Portley was better his freshman year. He shot 34% from 3 each year and could improve.  Although lord knows he may catch Fordham-itis, but 34% would be a huge leap for us.  Maybe he gets better.  He averaged 14 ppg as a freshman.  He lit up a good Monmouth team for 25.  Maybe he isn't great but looks like a useful piece and better than what we have gotten thus far this year from several guys.      
15  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 11:39:16 am
Anyone going to start the Florida A&M thread?  That should be a doozy.  9 days away.  Study hard and drink plenty of fluids.
16  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 11:31:39 am
Unassigned. Sports-reference.com/cbb has the box as 13 turnovers, and the players turnovers add up to 13, but that's wrong.  ESPN has it correct.  13 turnovers assigned to players (Chartouny 5 Angry, Pekarek 2, Raut 2, Tavares 2, Evans 1, Hicks 1), but 16 total team TOs.  If you give some responsibility to JC for those extra TOs his game line looks especially putrid.
17  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 11:20:52 am
   That's one of the most unbelievable stats I've ever heard of. 

   I understand that we want to limit the opponent's chances, especially fast breaks, but that's ridiculous.

Yeah that is really unbelievable.  And it's been an issue all year, even the Manhattan win we had at least 4.  Just take a prayer and get back on D at worst.  Although it shouldn't come to that. Make like it's a 25 second clock.  Turning it over without a shot is the worst thing to happen.  We are trying to win the shots on goal battle, that's the whole point of the defense.
18  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 11:17:05 am
KenPom has our Luck rating as 255 out of 351. I have no idea what that means but I am going to hang my hat on the fact that we have been unlucky  Afro

Rutgers is 106 in Kenpom, but 74 in T-Rank (which is a very similar site).  That would make them the 3rd best team in the A-10.  

What's the best thing Rutgers does?  They are death to 2 point shooting.  Their field goal % allowed is 6th best in the country.  And the top 10 is loaded with good teams.  Michigan State, Cincinnati, Tennessee, Louisville, St. John's.  That's one of the few things we do well, but with all 3 bigs out, especially Slanina, who is very good there, they took that away.  Tavares had a tough game because they could completely stack the middle against him.

T-Rank has us in favorites in only 3 A-10 games, but has us going, just as some here predicted, 5-13 and 10-20.  But things looked bad last year.

Things will likely start out tough.  We open on the road at VCU.  Then we have 2 of the games in which we are favored, home against Richmond and Duquesne. Richmond stinks so far.  There's a big #fireMooney movement.   You'd hate for them to get better against Fordham.

Then we face the Bonnies away and Davidson at home.  Two of the league's best teams, both in the kenpom and t-rank top 100, but per t-rank both roughly equal to Rutgers give or take, and completely different teams.  They are good offenses, not lock down Ds like Rutgers.  Most of the teams in the A-10 are rated Harvard-esque, some better, some worse.

Then it's away against La Salle.  They have improved, gave Villanova a game (and Villanova looks awesome), but lost some bad games.  Then Saint Joseph's away.  Villanova killed them, and they've lost to Toledo and Harvard (77-71), lost 3 games they were projected to win and went to OT in another.  Looks like their D is the issue.  Kenpom likes them better than T-Rank (109 versus 145).  But it's away.  Although that's the game we snagged last year.

Then it's Rhode Island at home.  They're tough.  At that point odds are we are 2-6.  Of course last year we won a lot of games we were projected to lose and vice versa.  By now the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments on Fordham Fans will be at fever pitch.  Facilities posts abound.

And then UMass at home.  They are favored by 2, and have a good win against Providence.  Lost on road to Harvard in OT.  Lost at Quinnipiac.  They gave South Carolina a game.  But that would be a good game to start the turnaround.

We get to 8-8 before an away game with GW.  7 point dogs but they aren't as good as last year.  They have some good wins but lost to Rider at home.  Yuta Watanabe misses the game with the flu, Havsa nails 4 3 pointers, and Jair Bolden steps on the sideline as his 3 over Ivan Raut is waved off, game Fordham.


We get to 9-8, 14-15, with a home game against VCU for .500 overall, and 10-8 in the A-10.  An overflow crowd even with only 35 students there.  85 has a thriving business selling Pekarek headbands before the game.  

BTW, Neubauer had a player at EK, Eric Stutz, who he almost didn't let wear a headband, but ultimately relented.  

http://www.kentucky.com/latest-news/8j1pxi/picture43355781/alternates/FREE_960/11PrRC.So.79.jpeg

Kind of a Bill Walton circa 1977 TrailBlazers look.

Anyway, do we win that VCU home game like last year?  Stay tuned.

No A-10 team has a D as good as Rutgers except Rhode Island.  In a way that game last night was a pretty good offensive showing compared to some of our complete bombs against worse Ds, especially with Slanina out.  All these teams ahead on our league schedule are beatable.  Health is a huge issue with 8 guys.   A lineup of Hicks, Chartouny, Slanina, Tavares and Raut might be decent if Chartouny gets out of this funk.  Pekarek shows signs of his freshman year conference self, at least bench level competency.  Take what we can from Evans and Havsa.  Get your flu shots.

Do I really think .500 is possible?  Who cares?  It's December 12.  
 
19  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 10:10:45 am
I'd agree. There also seems to be a disconnect between players and staff. Us vs. them attitude. If kids don't like playing for you they're not gonna play well on the court, and to me their body language says it all. Luckily, there's plenty of games left to turn it around. No one is having fun out there or seems happy to wearing the fordham uniform.

It always looks that way when you're losing.  But not sure how bad they looked last year before they turned it around.  Sengfelder and Anderson seemed into it but they are the ones who bailed.  When AA hit the game-winners he got swarmed by happy players.

20  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 10:07:22 am
Enough talk about My Johnson!   Afro

Sorry, its a dismal year.....


I think he's redshirting.  Evil
21  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 12, 2017, 09:22:55 pm
And Willís last minute 3 makes it 4 guys in double figures.
22  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 12, 2017, 09:11:54 pm
3 guys in double figures, none named Tavares, Slanina or Chartouny. What were the odds of that?
23  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 12, 2017, 08:30:43 pm
Re Havsa didnít someone mention him holding his leg on the bench last game? And flu shots are free.
24  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. St. Francis - PreGame/InGame 12/9, 3pm on: December 12, 2017, 02:32:38 pm
That team may have been sub-.500 but it was .500 in the A-10, the first time ever in the A-10 and first time above .500 in conference since 1994 in the A-10.  So i could see that being a time of excitement over things looking up, and a fun game.  Part of a decent little run, which made 2008 so disappointing with those guys as seniors followed by the bottom falling out again.

It may be rough and so far the games haven't been fun.  That was true last year later in the OOC too and there ended up being some good games. It'll be hard with so few healthy guys.

Average attendance per game has been down across the sport fairly consistently over the last decade.  Of course Fordham's problems are magnified (or microscoped). 
25  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 12, 2017, 11:42:57 am
I completely agree. Smoke Show.

Yeah, their numbers are skewed.  We both played Florida State, but Rutgers stood with them (albeit at home), and has had 2 good Big Ten opponents so far.  Michigan State has an awesome D.  Held Rutgers to 25% from the field. Even 2s.  Hell they held UNC to their lowest FG% ever.

And Rutgers D is very tough, too.  Could be ugly if we don't pick up our game significantly. 
26  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. St. Francis - PreGame/InGame 12/9, 3pm on: December 12, 2017, 11:28:05 am
We need an impact recruit, with the star quality who can take over games and basically scare the hell out of the opponent. Remember the double/triple teams on Gaston? Maybe we didn't win all that many games, but he as well as Bev, Michael and Bryant were absolute stud players, looking at the list posted. If I remember right, Bev took the MSG game on his shoulders and cut around the right side for a high off the glass layup over a star opponent player to beat St. John's. Now that was excitement!

Fast-forward a dozen-plus years - remember the 2013 home game against #5 Butler when Gaston & Co. took them down to the wire in a close loss? I think they were behind by one with one minute left (or something like that) before losing by just a few. That game was a riot (I still have the t-shirt!) and the place went bonkers throughout. That was our house - RHG - less than five years ago.

We need that star power back bros. It's not the whole answer but it's certainly part of it. JN really needs a breakout player and I mean now, with this incoming recruitment class. Period.



I'm hoping Honor or Austin could be those guys.  Although at 5'10" Honor may not be the type to simply take over as a scorer at first, the way Gaston, Dunston or Stout came right in and scored.  But I like his game.

Not going to say Tavares is as good as Gaston.  A different type of player, more rugged, big-time rebounder, did it from the get go.  But Will is having a good year at 17 ppg.  And he's really been good from inside the arc.  He's hitting .586 from 2 with almost 10 shots attempted from 2 per game (about 14 total FGA's per game).  Gaston was never above 50%.  His highest FG% from 2 was was .471, even OOC his highest was .493 (I don't have his conference splits for his freshman year).  

Of course Gaston took 12-15 shots a game his whole career (usually 15 until his senior year when he took 12 or so).  But he also shot inside more. Tavares takes some outside, and he hasn't been great at it.  But his eFG% this year is .524.  Gaston was at .456 for his career.

Again, this isn't to say Tavares is as good.  He's not.  He is only doing this now as a senior.  He hasn't done it a full year.  He has some lapses.  He's rebounding ok but he doesn't have Gaston's size or rebounding #s. But his ability to score from 2 has been pretty impressive thus far this year.

Slanina, too.  He's shooting over 60% inside.  He did it last year, too, in and out of conference.  I'd like to see him get more touches.  He's only shot more than 10 once, but then he only went 6-15 against Harvard.

There's also no doubt the schedule was tougher in 2012-13.  OOC for Pitt, UConn, Georgia Tech and St. John's you get West Virginia, Florida State, Rutgers and Tulane.  The NCSOS was 40 in 2013, 340 this year (but will bulk up with West Virginia and Rutgers on deck). Of course that Butler loss was in conference.  The conference was tougher. Butler was actually ranked 11 at the time and fell out of the ranking by year end.  They ended up Kenpom 42, got a 6th seed and lost by 2 in the second game (3rd round) to Marquette, which went to the Elite 8.

Last year Fordham beat Rhode Island, which was ranked early but not at the time, and ended up Kenpom 32, and lost it's 2nd game by 3 (2nd round) to Oregon, which went to the Final 4.

That was a road win.  Butler a home loss.  Of course the Rhode Island win was a clank-fest.  The Butler game was entertaining.  And at home.

The offense is terrible.  Watching a team take, and miss, so many 3s is boring.  What we find exciting or fun to watch is subjective.  I watch. I'm not just adding up numbers all the time.  Wink  Even objectively a lot of games have not been good to watch.  Manhattan game had its moments. ETSU game was ok.  Last year Saint Joseph's game, the OT game, was fun.  A road game. VCU game. GW game was great for 18 minutes of the first half and some of the late game Havsa heroics. A lot of the George Mason game.  The losses stung.

We all probably like wins. Against good teams, not nailbiters over Maine.  So the Davidson win on the road was good, even if Davidson really stunk it up. We had some good ones last year after a rough start.  We may not be as good as last year.

It isn't just low scoring, although this team is pretty bad there.  But that's kinda par for the course for years.  And it's not even that the pace is that slow.  We are fairly deliberate on O. A lot of our possessions are turn them over quick then sit on it.  Possessions per game can be manufactured differently so just possession numbers don't necessarily tell you offensive pace (I'd have to check time of possession and even for me that's a bridge too far).

Anyway, here are historical ppg and possession going back a few years:

2018 63.1 ppg 70.6 # of possessions per game
2017 65.3 68.8
2016 71.2 70.4
2015 65.0 68.1
2014 71.7 71.0
2013 64.4 70.3
2012 62.0 69.6
2011 64.1 69.1
2010 64.0 74.2
2009 61.4 69.5
2008 64.8 66.2
2007 65.5 65.5

This year has been pretty bad, but Fordham has had some pretty low scoring teams, and some slow-paced ones. And in 2010 a low-scoring fast-paced team.  There have been some really inefficient offenses.  Hey, 2016 was fun.  It's nice to score 70+ points and win more than you lose.

Maybe Honor and Austin can help us get back over 70 again.  Still hoping the current guys make a few more shots.  We are at 52.8% from 2.  In 2016 we ended at 51.7%.  Did you know that the last time before that we shot over 50% from 2 was 2002?  Pecora's high year was 47.6% from 2 in 2015.  Other than that his teams never even cracked 45%.  He and Whitt had teams that didn't even crack 43% from 2.

The godawful 3 point shooting is hiding what may be a secret.  Non-putrid shooting inside the arc.  Of course, maybe all we take is 3s and layups.  

That 2013 team finished 7-24.  So as entertaining as that Butler game was, hopefully there are some more wins this year.  But it's early yet.

Absolutely though.  More, better players please.  More points.  More wins.  
27  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. St. Francis - PreGame/InGame 12/9, 3pm on: December 11, 2017, 07:57:30 pm
Our biggest OOC last year was Saint Peter's. Kenpom 95. Not sure I buy that.
28  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. St. Francis - PreGame/InGame 12/9, 3pm on: December 11, 2017, 06:35:08 pm
Cal has a relationship with King Rice going back to when he recruited him as an assistant with Pitt in the mid 80s. Then King was an assistant with Vanderbilt.  We get West Virginia. Not sure if they visit NYC next year.
29  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 11, 2017, 03:29:18 pm
This has become the season of metrics (I'm guilt too). 

Enough percentages and metrics. Play some damn offensive basketball in the vein of what got you to being an A-10 recruit.

Even a bad shooting team gets lucky now and then.  I'd love for it to turn around this game.  Steal it and it kinda balances out the Miami loss, somewhat.
30  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 11, 2017, 12:00:25 pm
Rutgers has scored over 70 points in every game but one and had 2 in the 90s and a couple in the 80s. Yes I am sure the opponents were not all good but still how can you say their offense is worse than Harvards? Also we are 4-3 at home against weak opponents and 0-2 on the road so far. Yes I know the 2 losses were in the Bahamas but how can you say we are better on the road with nothing substantial to back it up. An yes you keep going back to last year but every year stands on its own.


Their effective field goal percentage is 44.1%.  Harvard's is 46.4%.

It's actually quite close.  Basically the same.  Points per game isn't how Kenpom and others calculate it.  Offensive efficiency is determined by points per possession.

Rutgers now ranks 230th, Harvard 229. 

It's also adjusted by the quality of your opponent's defense.  Harvard's opponent's D ranks 44th so far.  Rutger's ranks 327th.  Harvard faced Kentucky, a very strong D.  And our D.  We slumped against St. Francis, which slightly weakened our D rank and thus Harvard's defensive strength of schedule.  And Rutgers beat up on Fairly Ridiculous U Saturday night, so that tightened it.

It's early yet so Rutgers may indeed finish way higher.  Actually almost certainly. They will be facing stronger D's ROS than Harvard.

Rutger's D is ranked 32nd.  This could be a real slugfest.  41-39 anyone?
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