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1  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 21, 2017, 04:25:55 pm
Coach hadn't been born at the start of that 1971 season.
2  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 21, 2017, 03:46:19 pm

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South Florida transfer Luis Santos has committed to Saint Louis, per a source. Two years of eligibility remaining.

I'm sure the nice 11,000 seat arena had zip to do with this.
3  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: AA to UCONN on: April 19, 2017, 11:50:28 pm
Some kids choose to broaden their horizons by studying abroad.     

Very good observation, El Jefe. Not every Fordham student earns every credit at Fordham. [My own degree includes some summer credits earned at colleges back home]. It's hard to see how a 5th year grad transfer is different from a year abroad.
4  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 19, 2017, 11:46:46 pm
I'm thinking we should adopt a family of crickets as the official mascots of Fordham hoops recruiting news.

Hopefully, this just signifies that JN and company are holding out for A-10 quality recruits, and not following the practice of the past couple of coaching staffs, which was to ink some NEC or Patriot-level players (or NEC- and Patriot-level aspirants who are really D-II players) and hoping they can "play up".

Maybe Disney will license us Jiminy Cricket as our recruiting spokesperson. Once you burrow deep into the spring signing period, silence isn't so golden.
5  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 19, 2017, 02:14:33 pm
I don't know if our MBB coaches have made a full tour of our campus, but somebody should tell David Collins. ...

"The day you sign, we'll name a building after you!  It will be set in stone before you arrive.  Young man, how do you like the sound of Collins Hall?"

It's a wonder we never hired Kerry Keating to coach the team.
6  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: AA to UCONN on: April 19, 2017, 12:38:51 pm
Sorry. Uninformed opinion. I really should have said that until the interest is mutual, it seems pointless in my opinion to discuss it. It would be a very odd turn of events, but stranger things have happened.

Indeed. Years ago, we had a player named Paul Williams who after two years transferred to Division II Assumption College. But he was back at Fordham for his senior year and finished his paying career here. Oddly there is precedent.
7  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: AA to UCONN on: April 19, 2017, 10:25:52 am
If Suarez were to make a jump for a final year at D-1, I'd expect he'd end up at Quinnipiac or Fairfield, with the coaches who recruited him to Fordham, rather than at Fordham with the coach who interred him on the depth chart.
8  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: 2017-18 Out Of Conference Schedule on: April 18, 2017, 10:16:10 pm
Lipscomb won 20 last year, just saying.
9  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: AA to UCONN on: April 18, 2017, 05:41:54 pm

There can be loyalty in business. I would have found it equally disloyal if the coach did not let a 5th year player come back. It would be wrong for the coach to say, "hey, you graduated, I am not obligated to give you a scholarship next season, see ya!"

Interesting, and I'm pretty sure it happens a few times every year (Neubauer's mentor, John Beilein, did it to two of his players this year).  I don't know that it's necessarily illegitimate. "We gave you a 4 year scholarship, you got a degree -- win-win, have a good life!" Who got screwed? Nobody!

If a coach is honest with a kid, but honors the institution's obligation -- as appears to have been the case with JN talking to Manny and DBA -- that's about the best you can do.  It's a new coach, maybe he has a different philosophy from what the player expects; maybe he plays a system the player just isn't physically suited for. There can be a lot of reasons for a player to decide to move on, especially when a new coach comes on board. Sometimes, as in Manny's case, playing basketball is sufficiently important to him that he decides to move on. Less frequently, as in DBA's case, the player decides basketball is not important to him, and makes an arrangement that lets him finish his education without having to play.

That being said, we can't start recruiting over the incoming '17 class until we know who they are . . .
10  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 18, 2017, 05:31:13 pm
Hopefully he will select the excitement on NYC over the winters in Indiana.

Yes, please.  Last year, I stayed in the same hotel as the Valpo team before they went out and destroyed UW-Milwaukee.  Those were some big, tall guys. I don't think we'd have liked to play them.
11  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Alessandro Acquaviva - Retiring from Italian Basketball on: April 18, 2017, 05:28:44 pm
Well, good for Alessandro and congratulations to him. Even as a walk-on, he gave us some good memories.  Now (coaching staff, are you listening?) let's enlist him as an ambassador in Italy for Fordham hoops.  There are young school-age players who follow the players in the European leagues, and no doubt some who dream of playing for the American colleges the pros did.

Sometimes we don't realize the impact some of our former players could have. For instance, Jermaine Anderson is widely respected in Canada as the heart of the Canadian National Team for many years.  It's a global game, and we should start some global talent pipelines going.
12  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to Boise st on: April 17, 2017, 05:49:34 pm
straight up, it also shows they weren't boys. Probably fine as teammates, but no connection to get it done together. That says quite a bit to me. It is what it is.

Who's to say why they left? The coach banged both of them pretty hard for losses late in the season. It's partly the coach's job to sell these guys on the idea of "you come back next year, we could be something really special". If my coach suggests, "you guys are crap, I can do better", then I'm off.

Look, it's pretty clear that not everyone was on the same page with JN by the end of last season. Without allocating blame, that likely helps explain the departures.
13  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 17, 2017, 05:43:45 pm

Right now even if all come back and healthy it's:

Chartouny
Hicks
Tavares
Ohams
Slanina

Havsa
Zarko
Saglam
Pekarek
Bunting


Don't know about getting banged out of the gym by Lafayette, but that strikes me as a bottom four A-10 side, for sure. Your "starting" lineup has only 3 man-years of D-I experience. As for your second unit, you're counting a walk-on in it. You'd need a lot of improvement and everyone staying healthy to remain marginally credible in the A-10 with that group.
14  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: A10 Incoming/Outgoing List 2017-18 on: April 17, 2017, 04:05:11 pm
Here is how you combat negative recruiting. .....we are offering you a scholarship that would have cost you a half a million dollars!  You want to go some state school, that would be free anyway! 

That's negative to positive to negative recruiting......

Yeah, but the kid responds by saying, "So I'm getting a free education wherever I go, cool. Now tell me what the facilities and prospects are like . . .   !"
15  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to Boise st on: April 17, 2017, 03:59:52 pm
Always liked Chris as a player and a person, and I'm not going to start disliking him because he's decided to spend a year surrounded by potatoes and pretty blonde Mormon girls. [Won't he be disappointed, though, when he finds out the Rodeo team guys re the BMOCs]. I'll think he's picked a team and a level where he can have an impact. Hopefully, he gives me a rooting/viewing interest for next year's NCAA tournament (assuming that alma mater doesn't break its quarter-century schneid in that department).
16  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 17, 2017, 01:17:29 pm
Rambacker said we were going to surprised - only A-10 team to not sign anyone thus far? Late, late.

Well, I'm surprised. Negatively.
17  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: A10 Incoming/Outgoing List 2017-18 on: April 17, 2017, 01:15:22 pm
I don't think we're in Isaac Kante's final list, either, and he was a priority recruit for us. We're just too easy to recruit against with our dismal history. I don't know if this staff is weak or strong recruiters. They just have a hard sell, a bad product, a product easily disparaged by rival coaches. [Case in point; Fred Quartlebaum recruited high quality kids to Notre Dame, and the nucleus of a national champion squad to North Carolina. Kansas is getting good kids too. At St. John's -- not so good. It's the product you have to sell.

Ali Ton's a "niche" recruiter. He's got some foreign contacts he's using for Fordham. But those are HIS contacts, not Fordham's, and presumably they fade if he moves on.

Hopefully, the other coaches are making inroads, but from what I'm hearing, the negative recruiting by other schools against Fordham is off the charts right now. We may very well be forced to recruit kids from overseas and from far away, where the school is less well known and the coaches we're competing against don't have the full arsenal of "oppo" that gets thrown against us. "The last player to have a winning 3- or 4-year career at Fordham is older than your father" is a line that would give many a young recruit pause. But it's effective, because it happens to be true.
18  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: AA to UCONN on: April 17, 2017, 10:32:47 am
Unless there's more to come there's no real story here.

Well, there's a story, but it's an old one. It's the assumption -- not unreasonable -- that there is no chance of getting to the NCAA tournament next year if he remained at Fordham. I don't know if this view was fed by the notion of CS transferring and JC declaring for the draft, but I suspect not. Fordham's the only school in America with less dancing than BYU.

And he's neither unreasonable nor unrealistic. The last Ram to go to the NCAA mens' tournament did it a quarter century ago. The last Fordham player to enjoy a winning career record over a 3-4 year Fordham career is old enough to be AA's father. That's not merely ordinary failure, it's epic failure. And don't think rival recruiters aren't feeding that information to every prospect we visit with.

UConn is a program with multiple NCAA titles. Every year, there is a presumption that they will be in the Field of 68, unless there is a good reason to keep them out. That's a far cry from how Fordham has ever been perceived. 

So, if he is chasing a potential pro career, AA has made a wise choice. As one would expect a Fordham graduate to do. There IS a story there, but I don't think Fordham's Administration reads the sports section.
19  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: A10 Incoming/Outgoing List 2017-18 on: April 16, 2017, 11:15:16 pm
I'm not sure if Fordham fans should hit the panic button over recruiting just yet, but the safety cover's off the button, and it's blinking. Just saying.
20  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: AA to UCONN on: April 16, 2017, 10:10:32 pm
It will be interesting to see how well he does against top competition. Pretty well, I suspect. Good luck, AA!
21  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to Boise st on: April 15, 2017, 10:21:07 pm
No matter how you dice it, it does not say much for JN or the Fordham BB program, sad to say.  C Sengfelder is a very bright guy, had close to 4.0 GPA, I believe, and completed his business degree in three years, while playing on the BB team, and English is his second language! That's quite an accomplishment.  All things considered, I would have preferred to see him at Duke or UNC Chapel Hill, etc. not only for the BB but the academics as well. BSU should be a breeze for him. But he will always be a Fordham man and I am sure he will be a terrific representative of Fordham in all his future endeavors.  I hope he has good memories and sentiments toward Fordham.

I'm sure he will. He obviously has both academic and basketball interests and goals, and while Fordham was apparently a good fit for his academic goals, it is not well-suited for his basketball goals, which include playing in an NCAA tournament. Lately, Boise State has made the Dance every other year; Fordham, once in 46 seasons. Our last trip to the NIT was over a quarter century ago, for heaven's sake.  In this regard, I wish our administration had the practical clear-eyed view of the collegiate athletic landscape that Christian does. They continue to stand pat, hoping for lightning to strike again, 1971-style. It hasn't happened and, frankly, it isn't going to. It's a sucker bet the Administration keeps taking year after year after year. One had hoped that view would change after Frank left the AD's job, but it will take a change at the top, obviously.
22  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to Boise st on: April 14, 2017, 01:24:29 pm
I'd say 99% of people at Fordham have heard of Boise State. I'd venture to guess 15% of people at Boise State have heard of Fordham

That may simply illustrate that Fordham people are better informed, no?
23  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to Boise st on: April 14, 2017, 11:32:36 am
Perhaps Christian "Spuds" Sengfelder's academic ambitions lie a bit further down the road, and he's going to use next season as a "gap" year. Relax, do some classes, play hoops with a friend from Germany, see another part of this country and another way of living. Fine. Lots of students do that. That's what youth is for, I think. Good luck, Chris!
24  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Andy Toole and Fordham Basketball on: April 13, 2017, 08:33:28 pm
Toole's a young guy, and Fordham's been a coaching graveyard for a couple of decades. He's hit a couple of slack years at Robert Morris, but unless things fall completely apart, he'll probably get a chance to step up sooner or later.

How come we don't have players "transferring up" to our program?
25  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 13, 2017, 08:29:58 pm
Sorry, we're not that special, and we're certainly not special enough to overcome the big white elephant in the room...

The elephant's small. Our "room" isn't large enough to hold a big white elephant (or, it seems, a big talent).  And at Fordham, it's probably a pig in an elephant costume. But with lipstick. Just saying.
26  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to Boise st on: April 13, 2017, 02:37:23 pm
I'm guessing he wants to play with his Germany U-23 teammate Christian Jorch, who's at Boise. Good luck to him.
27  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Where is everybody going and why? on: April 13, 2017, 10:52:13 am
Seton Hall would be a good landing spot for AA. UConn's lost a bunch of players after an "off" year, not sure how much fun a year in Storrs would be for him. Iona doesn't make sense. Severe went there in hopes of increased PT (which didn't happen). AA could have all the PT he wanted if he stayed at Fordham next year. So my guess is he looks to play a year of hoops for a bigger program.
28  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 13, 2017, 10:46:30 am
Greg Calixte of Mt. Vernon committed to George Mason. Frustrating to see a 6'8"/6'9" guy right in our backyard go to another A10 school.

Didn't Mason have another Mt. Vernon alumnus recently? Anyway, Mason's a very different school from Fordham -- a chance to move away (but not too far away), suburban campus, 10,000 seat arena if you can fill it. And they had a 20 win season.

With Chiles having departed, I'm not sure the current staff has much of a feel for the NY recruiting scene.  But then the previous coach claimed to "own" that scene, and we all saw how well that worked out. 

Other coaches have been pretty savage in negative recruiting against Fordham -- the usual reasons. I think that's why JN tries to keep it under the radar that we're even involved with a player.
29  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Where is everybody going and why? on: April 12, 2017, 10:30:07 am
Good article about Toole and how he struggled since turning our job down.  Essentially he can't keep his best players at RMU. 

https://www.fanragsports.com/cbb/adapt-die-robert-morris-andy-toole-dealt-college-basketballs-transfer-epidemic/

On the one hand, I feel a bit bad for Toole. On the other, I wonder if we have a shot at the guy who's transferring out.
30  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 12, 2017, 12:34:56 am
If you expect to be surprised expect to find yourself less surprised than you expected to be.

OK, that one made my brain hurt . . .
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