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1  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Today at 01:54:24 pm
Archie Miller to Indiana Dayton may take a big step back.  Little loyalty may have gone a long way next year.  Hopefully staff replaces him because there is an opportunity next year to move up. 
2  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Today at 12:16:21 pm
This "obligation" thing that people keep throwing around is silly. There is no obligation on the player's part, graduate or not.

+1. No one is saying he was obligated to stay, he had the right to leave and should have that right. The issue for some of us is the lack of loyalty to the school that gave him a lot and to date got not too much in return in terms of wins during the last three years and hurts our ability to win games this year.  Sengfelder is treating this like business that is fine we can do the same by analyzing it like ACE I and others are.  Two way street. 
3  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Today at 12:12:31 pm
With a new coach, new training program and a new system, who knows what he can do.  Absurd?  I don't think so.  Ask Ryan Rhoomes what change can do for a player's on court performance.

This is as ridiculous as your initial post.  Three years in we have a pretty good idea about his game.  Rhoomes never got the ball in the post before his senior year and he was not moving up in competition.  we've seen Sengfelder get it in the post, play defense, shoot it and his passing ability for the past two years under a good coach.  We have also seen the level of his athleticism which does not translate in terms of being a starter in those better conferences.  So to say we are out of line is ridiculous.
4  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Today at 11:45:43 am
I get that, but people seem to be saying the same things over and over.

Here's a question I find interesting. If Sengfelder had stats that are worthy of the Hall of Fame, and I think he is borderline, would he get in if he finishes his final year elsewhere? I, for one, have a hard time seeing them voting someone in who left the school early and put on another college's uniform.

No basketball player should get into the Hall of Fame with the overall record we had over the years.  Next guy who gets in must be on a winning team.   
5  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Today at 11:40:06 am
I agree that his decision may not be about joining a major program and instead may have something to do with his next stage in life.  If transferring now sets him up better for medical school, it's a smart move.  

Without knowing where CS is going and how well he plays next year, I think comments about his abilities are out of line.    

It is a basketball decision.  He wants to play pro ball after this year.  It is out of line to discuss his abilities?  We've seen him for 3 years a hundred games so I think giving our opinion is very much in line.  More in line than the recruiting geniuses who see a three minute video and list of schools declaring who is and is not an A-10 "talent".  This thread is surreal and that last statement absurd.
6  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Today at 10:41:20 am
In your opinion he can't. I'm my opinion he can . 2 years ago northwestern would have finished 7th in the A-10 now you think theta they are somehow out of reach for a mature 6-7 5th year senior to log meaningful minutes

I think those programs you mention would love to have him for the year.  Low risk signing.  I think he can play a role off the bench.  The point I was making is that if he moves down he will be stud.   He was at the perfect level at Fordham.

I am not disagreeing with anything you said but in a round about way you bring up a point about our talent level in general. Sengfelder was one of our better players no doubt but your opinion about him playing at that level would apply to almost everyone on our roster.

See above he was at the perfect level in my opinion.  We had a solid foundation of A10 players to build on for next year.  You don't need Big 10 players to compete in the A-10 and I don't see Sengfelder as a starter in the Big.  There is a role for him off the bench there but I think he will struggle.  The ACC would be a real tough task for him. Very athletic conference as a whole, if he thinks we play fast and shoot threes wait until he gets there. 
7  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Today at 12:25:47 am
A lot of bitter old men said that about Paschal too and we know how that worked out. Stop with the ignorance.

Not a lot a few most knew Paschal would play well at Nova.  With that said Sengfelder is not as good as Paschal but better than Severe.  I saw Northwestern being a possibility I have a tough time seeing him playing at that level but maybe he will surprise.  I think he will have trouble getting off his shot, finishing around the rim and on defense at that level.   If he went to the MAAC Monmouth or Siena would be good fits and he would be really good have a shot to go to the tournament.  He does not fit Iona's system. 
8  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 09:00:16 pm
I've supported JN, but he's taking a huge risk if that's the case. You don't run productive kids off unless you have depth (which we don't) or recruits waiting in the wings (which we don't appear to have). If this is true, it's time for JN to put up or shut up when it comes to recruiting. TP was fired in part for his terrible rentention record. JN isn't faring much better so far.

It's not the case. Sengfelder left on his own.  Note Bay Ridge said that few pages ago.
9  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 04:51:48 pm
Then tell us the story so we can know what's going on. Otherwise, I'll continue on with the facts that clear and present.

By story I mean the transfer.  I am sorry that some of us expect people who get an opportunity to show some loyalty and will not show loyalty to them if it is not reciprocated. 

As for your question, if a kid gets run off I would expect he would consider Fordham disloyal and not speak highly of the school and that would be understandable.  Just like Sengfelders decision while understandable will cause me and others to not look kindly on him in the future. 
10  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 04:32:14 pm
No, Ace. I'm using common sense. Do you really think a *majority of Fordham people are going to turn their backs to Sengfelder because he graduated and played basketball for another school? C'mon. This can't be a real conversation. Pathetic.

*Edit

Who said majority?   Most won't know the story but many of  those who do are not going to look favorably on him. 
11  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 04:28:56 pm
Rich... you've lost it man...

Why because I think what he did was wrong and it impacts my view of him?   You burn bridges it has consequences that is the way life works. Best learn that.
12  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 04:22:35 pm
How many times have you changed jobs and for what reasons. It's life

It's life that decisions have consequences.  You may not care, I respect that but others like myself and ACE think it was wrong.  A lot of people agree with ACE and I.  
13  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 04:17:34 pm
I don't really associate with people who hold grudges against 20 year olds that haven't done anything wrong.

He is 23 and actions have consequences,loyalty matters.  You want to tap into the Fordham alumni network then you had better not have bailed on the school.  Best learn that or you will get run over in this world.  Think long term not short. 
14  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 03:46:36 pm
I think those instances would be the exception. Rare exception.

You are not talking to the same people I am then. 
15  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 02:52:03 pm
He earned his free ride and now he's free to do what he wants because he graduated early. This is not a Gio or Paschall situation. The kid earned his scholarship and earned his degree, and now he's earned his right to move on. 

He's moving on now, because that's what people do. There's much more to see in this world other than the Bronx and the Rose Hill Campus. Good for him on graduating early and transferring to another school to earn his graduate degree.

Did I read somewhere that he has a 4.0? Not surprised, he's clearly smart enough to realize that there's much more that Fordham University out there. Fordham will be here when he's finished and if he decided to enter the corporate world, he'll have two networks to pull from, instead of 1. That's a smart move.

Not so sure everyone in the Fordham network would take his call.  Just sayin ...
16  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: Yesterday at 02:07:55 pm
Some quick research and info regarding Myles Johnson:
- twitter handle is MylestheMonster
- 7'1" wingspan
- Likes to play help defense
- 4.0 GPA and Academic All American last 3 years
- Interested in good academic school
- Wants to be an engineer
- Offers from Yale, Lehigh et al.

https://theleftbench.com/blog/2016/03/21/myles-johnson-a-standout-on-the-court-and-in-the-classroom/

I believe Fordham has a combined program with Columbia for engineering.  Of course, that might result in a grad transfer to the Lions after three years.   Evil

 

That is really well played. 
17  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 02:07:11 pm
Life is short. I'd question anyone who was offered an opportunity to move, expand his network, experience another school and another city all for FREE and turn it down. All this talk about "loyalty" to a school and team that would've cut him loose if we found someone better is insane.

One last time: we were not cutting Sengfelder loose, he was a starter and was going to be a starter.  Fordham gave him a chance to not only get an undergraduate degree but also a year of graduate school for free.  The right thing to do would be to finish his career at Fordham.  Instead he takes our degree heads out the door, disloyal in my opinion. 
18  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 02:00:30 pm
Are you positive about your fact that he would be in Germany but for Fordham? Not exactly sure it's relevant. But I believe he was also considering school and basketball in Boston, and chose us over them. Disloyal is a pretty strong word for a kid who could have rightfully and easily left here and gone somewhere else when a new coach came in, as many players do when that happens.

Pecora never saw him play, never met him so the idea that he committed to us with all these other offers is nuts.  As for leaving after Neubauer was hired he made the choice he thought was best for him and should have in my opinion finished his career here given the time and money we invested in him not to mention the opportunity.  So yes in my opinion it was disloyal to the institution that gave him his opportunity.  I understand his choice but that does not mean it is above criticism.  

And now I am just repeating myself so adios to this thread.  Not much else to say.  Hopefully some good recruiting news is coming. 
19  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 01:53:09 pm
No one is crying we are simply not going to engage in this ill advised going away party.  You guys think this is a one way street, it is not.  I believe the transfer rule is the right one, you graduate you should have the right to transfer, that does not mean I think it is the right thing to do.  We do not have to bow down to these kids, it is ok to tell them they are wrong. 
20  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 01:49:12 pm
You never left a job for greener pastures after being treated well. I am sure a player of his caliber would have found other suitors. Maybe it's a time to look inward to make sure others don't leave. I wish him well.


Yeah they were all over him as Parotta was the only one who met him.  I dont have to look anywhere I have no control over whether someone leaves or stays.  To put this in business terms, a good player left us in the middle of the project after we took a chance on him and invested significant money in his training.  So I am not going to throw him a going away party even though I understand the decision.    
21  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 01:10:56 pm
The young man came here and represented the school well. It's been widely known that he has not been happy for most of the season , yet he never created a morale problem as far as I know. Was a frequent attendee at the ladies' games and was always gracious to talk to. We've all wanted out of situations at some point. Let it go.

The young man would be in Germany if not for Fordham.  We have all wanted out of situations but have stayed out of loyalty to those who supported us and gave us the opportunity in the first place.  I like Sengfelder but he does not get a pass on this, disloyal to Fordham.  Understandable decision but disloyal none the less. 

Now lets go steal someone else's grad transfer.   Afro
22  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 11:31:46 am
Yes that is true but a lot of us were banking on both him and Sengfelder playing together which was going to make the team take a step up next year. So the Slanina progression was needed/expected/hoped for before this. Still need to replace the contributions Sengfleder made.

Exactly.
23  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 11:27:56 am
Prokop's off-season development just became a much more important priority.

It was a top priority before.  The guy who now becomes a priority is Bunting. 
24  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 11:26:47 am
We're more than likely never going to get above that. Twenty wins these days pretty much guarantees NOTHING in college basketball, and when you consider the fact that we haven't won twenty games in more than two decades, it means that we will almost certainly be sitting in front of the TV in March for the foreseeable future, if not forever. Unless, of course, we move to the MAAC or the PL, in which case the law of averages says that we'll go to the dance and/or the NIT every few years.

But hey, I know--mediocrity in a better conference is SO much more fun than a "meaningless" autobid. I mean, I haven't had this much fun in a LONG time!

It is more fun.  You get to see better teams play.  I would take a win over VCU over a 15 point loss to Oregon that could have been 30 if they wanted in the tournament.  It's about the whole season for me. Also your assumption on us moving down and making the tournament is idiotic for numerous reasons.

Now back to transfers.  
25  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 11:16:37 am
The transfers are often an outgrowth of immaturity. Sort of like a player posting here under a fake name.

All players at some point dislike their coach, you get yelled at, or are forced to hit the pine. This is retaliation.....oh yeah you made me sit then fine im going to transfer....its about time we have balls and deny releases, especially to players who are coming on websites ( allegedly) under pseudonyms and making derogatory comments about their own team ( allegedly) ......just my opinion.......its too easy for these immature kids to just ask for and be given a release.....



I forgot about Chuba throwing his teammates under the bus.  What a joke. 
26  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 09:31:04 am
Very tough to replace Sengfelder and Hawkins.  Rhoomes and Thomas showed that this year.  Lose one player you keep your core and add a few pieces. I think neubauer will figure out a way to get us into mid pack next year but I thought we could get above that.  Hard to see that now unless some really good players come aboard.  
27  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 08:44:07 am
He's got one more year of eligibility left, and I think he soberly assessed this Fordham team is not likely to make the dance in 2018. 

CS no doubt can be a contributor on many teams good enough to make the NCAA Tournament.  Getting to the dance is, for many, a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. I wish he had that chance while he was here. Good luck to him.  He's left our program in a better state than when he found it.

Rational decision did what he felt was best for him and at the same time it is fair to point out he is in Germany if not for Fordham.  So business wins out that is fine but we get to take the same approach.   
28  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 08:20:35 am
A loss of a quality player/person who didn't like Neu's "system". I wish him well. Played and leaving " with class". Good luck CS

The "system" that won more A-10 games the last two years than the last 7 combined?   The "system" that got us our first winning season in a decade and first post season appearance in 25 years?  You mean that "system"?   I would like Sengfelder to stay enjoyed meeting him several times but the system is more important than he is because under it we won more games than with the one which was made up of no defense and no offense.  If Chris wants to play in that system adios I don't want to watch that crap again. 
29  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 12:02:38 am
Not happy about it, and I see most people's points, but I can't blame Sengfelder.  He's from another country, has a chance to see more of the U.S., continue his education and hopefully have a better basketball experience.  Plus he left it all on the floor while he was here.  Not bent over the graduate transfer rule either.   85 is right about the new world order.  Bottom line: a lot of work to be done between now and next season.

I agree in principle.  He graduated in three years has the right to do what he wants. On the other side as a Fordham alum and hoops fan I think it is fair to point out if not for Fordham he is still in Germany shooting in a gym so a little loyalty should be in order. Not required but if you want Fordham to wish you well you had better be loyal to us. So he goes wherever does his thing but don't bother knocking on this Fordham alum's door for anything. Kids are treating this like business, ok but that comes with ramifications.

Agreed a lot of work for the staff to do. I have no desire to watch another losing season. Get out there get some players.
30  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: March 23, 2017, 09:13:07 pm
If not for Fordham sengfelder is not playing in the good ole U S of A.  So the idea of it being depressing etc is nonsense. He is dong what he thinks is right but make no mistake he got a free degree from Fordham in 3 years.  It is a two way street.
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