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1  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: A10 Incoming/Outgoing List 2017-18 on: April 26, 2017, 11:30:22 pm
OK Gloom and Doom Diva  Cheesy
no problem kool aid drinker. So let me get this right. You have a problem with anyone who is concerned that we have no commits, correction one commit now even though I stated I have no problem waiting to see how it all ends up. Stating concern is not gloom and doom nor is it questioning the coaching ability of the staff.  Its probably normal to be concerned at this stage given the lack of recruiting news so far.
2  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: A10 Incoming/Outgoing List 2017-18 on: April 26, 2017, 08:35:53 pm
We will always have the Doom and Gloom Divas. If we ended up with a top 10 recruiting class, it would just be something else. JN and his Staff have provided nice surprises 2 years in a row. No reason to expect anything different in year 3.

Top 10 recruiting class? Seriously. Okay if you want to be patient and see what transpires that is fine but Top 10 recruiting classes are built over time meaning teams get commitments a year early or at least by the fall signing period. We are hear on April 26th with no commitments yet. All I am hoping for is getting a commitment or 2 period that can help.
3  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: A10 Incoming/Outgoing List 2017-18 on: April 25, 2017, 11:14:09 pm
Large assumption here that the returning players will not contribute more than they did last season.  It's not a zero sum equation.

Never said that. Even if they all improve incrementally you still have to replace 3 missing pieces and in this case big pieces since all 3 were starters. Also big assumption on your part that returning players who came off the bench can fill starting spots as opposed to being bench players. Sometimes the more you expose players the less effective they are. Bottom line is they need to replace valuable minutes and so far haven't. Sure its not over yet but its getting late. I think people have the right to be concerned if they want just like those who are giving JN the benefit of the doubt until the recruiting season ends.
4  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: A10 Incoming/Outgoing List 2017-18 on: April 25, 2017, 08:44:04 pm
Its frustrating but we have to wait and see. So far he lost only 2 recruits and while he hasnt had a big time, big splash recruit, he really hasnt had any zonkers either. I think he is doing it the right way, getting the high mid major types and then coaching them up and playing insane defense.  Even last year with all the injuries and JC being out, the team didnt collapse as we thought it might. We had some depth. Maybe not superstars but guys who when called upon ( Havsa, Bunting, Ohams and at times Tavares) stepped up and won some A-10 games.

yes they contributed to games we won but they did not win them by themselves. We have lost 3 starters from the team and no replacements yet. Sure lets wait till the recruiting end sto weigh in but you can talk all you want about who is still around and who helped win games but unless they replace the 3 with loss with similar talent then the wins will be less and th elosses more.
5  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: A10 Incoming/Outgoing List 2017-18 on: April 22, 2017, 07:26:30 pm
And according to Rothstein:

Longwood grad transfer Khris Lane tells me he committed to VCU. Immediately eligible.

Some of these schools that were supposedly going to take a step back due to graduation have done a good job of restocking (Dayton and VCU to name a couple). That is why it is a bit ridiculous to start predicting how we will be an improved team next season in the middle of March. Look at how things have changed in 30 days as we have lost 2 starters pegged for next season and still need to replace Hawkins as well as we still wait for our first commitment.
6  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 20, 2017, 01:21:26 pm
+1

It is not a "recruiting update" if a kid is not mentioned somewhere to be either interested in us or recruited by us.

+1 and now we have someone starting a separate thread for Ryan even though we have never been mentioned in the same breath with him other than on this Board. This thread has gone from a recruiting thread to a thread with nothing more than wishful thinking on a lot of people's part.
7  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 17, 2017, 02:54:09 pm
In the past, FU usually waited until the end of the recruiting period to announce whatever recruits they were able to come up with.  Information moves much quicker today, and even though there's not been any attempt to keep FU's dwindling fan base informed, it makes sense to start getting information out to the base as soon as possible. 

...If there is any information to report.

Not true. Anyone we would have signed as an early commitment would have been known at the time. There was a separate and big announcement when Severe signed on. With social media today any one who signs on will be noticed right away.
8  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 17, 2017, 01:16:52 pm
We really do not have the talent to compete right now. We have a pretty good coach but sadly no players. How the hell did this happen?  Unfortunately we have an administration that really does not care one bit about winning Basketball games. IMMHO. And I have voiced my concern directly to Fr. McShane who quickly changes the subject.  I love Frank M and he is a friend but this latest BS is so completely out of line I can't believe it. If they wanted to honor someone they should have honored Johnny Bach.

Now how the hell do we put 4 solid players on the team for next year?

Being a good coach involves a number of things. JN showed he can coach game wise. It's still to be proven whether he can succeed at recruiting. We will soon find out. He does need to bring in some good talent in the next few weeks.
9  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: A10 Incoming/Outgoing List 2017-18 on: April 17, 2017, 10:59:24 am
Again, how many graduates stay for the grad year at the same school? Doesnt seem like too many. right now Neubie didnt lose any of his recruits from the past season. Slanina is 6ft 11 and could be a real force, nobody had any info on him until we signed him. Havsa was a complete unknown. I think we have to  wait this out and see what we have at the end of the signing period.

Okay I will buy that but if that is the case you would have thought we would have had a commitment or 2 by now if JN had anticipated all these departures assuming he was thinking along your lines that not many graduates stay at the same school.
10  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 16, 2017, 12:45:30 pm
Sounds like it is down to us, FGCU, and Murray State for Dinero Mercurius

http://www.scout.com/college/florida-gulf-coast/story/1770391-dinero-mercurius-discusses-recruitment


If he is looking to play in the NCAA tournament as the article states he probably already found his school. Not getting my hopes up on this one.
11  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: A10 Incoming/Outgoing List 2017-18 on: April 16, 2017, 12:42:46 pm
Catching some Sunday sun on the deck...I had started an 'outgoing' transfer list a few weeks back, so now its time for my Athlon-style incoming list. Lets combine the two iists...I'm a better price than Blue Ribbon.

Note: It's very weird to see 'Antwoine Anderson, UCONN"


UPDATED. Feel free to sticky


OUTGOING

Fordham (2)
G Antwoine Anderson, SR - UCONN
F Christian Sengfelder, SR - Boise St.

George Mason (3)
G DeAndre Abram, JR - TBD
F Danny Dixon, JR - TBD
G Kameron Murrell, JR - TBD

George Washington (3)
F Collin Goss, JR - TBD
F Kevin Marfo, SO - TBD
G Jordan Roland, JR - TBD

Duquesne (3)
G Rene Castro, RS JR - TBD
F Isiaha Mike, SO - TBD
F Nayke Sanders, JR - TBD

UMASS (2)
F Zach Coleman, RS JR
G Zach Lewis, RS JR

VCU (1)
C Ahmed Hamdy-Mohmmad, SR - TBD
F Mayan Kiir, FR - LSU

Richmond (1)
G Jesse Pistokache, JR - TBD

Saint Louis (2)
F Zeke Moore, SO - TBD
C Matt Neufeld, JR - TBD

La Salle (1)
F Yevgen Sakhniuk, SR - Philadelphia


INCOMING

Davidson (5)
G Kellan Grady, FR (****4 STARS)
G Carter Collins, FR (**2 STARS)
F Luke Frampton, FR (**2 STARS)
F Dusan Kovacevic, RS (***3 STARS)
F KiShawn Pritchett, RS (**2 STARS)

Dayton (4)
G Jordan Davis, FR (***3 STARS)
F Jordan Pierce, FR (** 2 STARS)
F Matej Svoboda, FR (**2 STARS)
F Kostas Antetokounmpo, RS (***3 STARS)

Duquesne (4)
G Craig Randall, JR - Memphis / TRANSFER
G Tavian Dunn-Martin, SO - Akron / TRANSFER
C Michael Hughes, SO - Akron / TRANSFER
G Erick Williams, FR - (**2 STARS)

Fordham (0)

George Mason (5)
F Goanar Mar, FR (***3 STARS)
F Greg Calixte, FR (**2 STARS)
G Javon Greene, FR (**2 STARS)
F AJ Wilson, RS (***3 STARS)
F Daniel Relvao, RS (**2 STARS)

George Washington (2)
G Maceo Jack, FR (**2 STARS)
G Justin Mazzulla, FR (** 2 STARS)

La Salle (5)
G Traci Carter, JR - Marquette / TRANSFER
G Jamir Moultrie, FR (***4 STARS)
F Miles Brookins, FR (***3 STARS)
F Dajour Joseph, FR (**2 STARS)
C Cian Sullivan, RS (**2 STARS)

UMASS (2)
G Curtis Cobb, JR - Fairfield / TRANSFER
G Unique McLean, RS (***3 STARS)

Rhode Island (2)
G Daron Russell, FR (***3 STARS)
C Michael Tertsea, RS (***3 STARS)

Richmond (5)
G Jacob Gilyard, FR (***3 STARS)
F AJ Ford, FR (**2 STARS)
F Bryce Schneider, FR (**2 STARS)
G Nathan Cayo, FR (**2 STARS)
G Tomas Verbinskis, FR (**2 STARS)

Saint Louis (4)
G Jordan Goodwin, FR (****4 STARS)
G Ty Graves, SO - Boston College / TRANSFER
F Hahsan French, FR (***3 STARS)
F Elliott Welmer, RS (**2 STARS)

St. Joseph's (2)
F Taylor Funk, FR (***3 STARS)
F Anthony Longpre (**2 STARS)

St. Bona (2)
F Tshiefu Ngalakulondi, FR (**2 STARS)
F Makol Mawien, RS JR (Utah) (***3 STARS)

VCU (3)
F Sean Mobley, FR (***3 STARS)
F Marcos Santos-Silva, FR (**2.5 STARS)
G Samir Doughty, RS (***3 STARS)

Not waving the white flag yet but not having a single commitment yet is a joke and its become more of an issue with some of the guys leaving. Even schools that were supposedly going to take a step back due to graduation have done very well. The Daytons and VCUs have started reloading. Meanwhile Its April 16th Mid day. JN do you know where your recruits are?
12  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: A10 Incoming/Outgoing List 2017-18 on: April 16, 2017, 12:34:36 pm
no problem. keep the edits/adds coming, many to come over the next month.

Maybe we will show up on list of incoming Smiley
13  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Where is everybody going and why? on: April 13, 2017, 11:25:33 am
Seton Hall would be a good landing spot for AA. UConn's lost a bunch of players after an "off" year, not sure how much fun a year in Storrs would be for him. Iona doesn't make sense. Severe went there in hopes of increased PT (which didn't happen). AA could have all the PT he wanted if he stayed at Fordham next year. So my guess is he looks to play a year of hoops for a bigger program.

My guess is the higher up the program the less playing time he gets. Based on the talent UConn brings in as well as Seton Hall they normally are better talented than AA. Going to Iona will get him more playing time.
14  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 13, 2017, 11:23:08 am
Didn't Mason have another Mt. Vernon alumnus recently? Anyway, Mason's a very different school from Fordham -- a chance to move away (but not too far away), suburban campus, 10,000 seat arena if you can fill it. And they had a 20 win season.

With Chiles having departed, I'm not sure the current staff has much of a feel for the NY recruiting scene.  But then the previous coach claimed to "own" that scene, and we all saw how well that worked out. 

Other coaches have been pretty savage in negative recruiting against Fordham -- the usual reasons. I think that's why JN tries to keep it under the radar that we're even involved with a player.

The Other coaches you are talking about are at the college level. There needs to be a reconnecting with the coaches of high schools on the local level. That would help. Case in point why Indiana fired their coach recently.
15  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 12, 2017, 08:17:27 pm
With lots of schools on break this week for religious holidays, I do not expect many announcements until the middle of next week.  As we have seen, recruits like to hold press conferences at their schools with their family, teammates and friends in attendance.  This may not be possible until schools are back in session.  Just a thought.   

We generally don't get those type of recruits that have that type of fan fair when they announce. I recall Severe was the only one in recent memory. Paschall committed early.
16  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: The 2017-18 Fordham Rams could have been the 2016-17 Rhode Island Rams on: April 09, 2017, 12:38:50 pm
If CS and AA had stayed, we'd have returned about 3500 points of career scoring, 4/5 of our starting lineup, and had 4 players returning from injury. In a league where upperclassmen tend to deliver you to the top of the standings, that would have been no small thing. Losing them certainly cuts down the optimism for next year. That being said, as many have noticed, those two players are not completely irreplaceable. The right JUCO recruit and 5th year transfer could get us back in the game. JN has not been silent, he and the staff have been deadly serious in hitting the recruiting trail. I expect the plan is to assemble the entire recruiting class and announce it at once. Let's wait and see.

I think we are all happy they are deadly serious hitting the recruiting trail but that should happen every year. Again with the 4 injured players. Zarkovic should be a role player not someone getting major minutes. Pekarek in my mind falls into the unproven or inconsistent category. Based on what he has done the first 2 years still needs to prove he can consistently perform. Slanina showed promise but needs to take a step up and Hicks is unproven at this level. IMO unlike others I do think CS and AA are big losses but even if they had come back and even if some of the others continue to show promise, it was no slam dunk we would have been that much better or at least what this thread contends. IMO if we get the right JUCo and a 5th year transfer it kind of gets us back to where we would have been if CS and AA had stayed.
17  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: The 2017-18 Fordham Rams could have been the 2016-17 Rhode Island Rams on: April 08, 2017, 08:08:27 pm
I think we'd have been very good next year as well. As of now, we're counting on a lot of unproven players for next season, even assuming JC comes back, which I hope he does.

A lot depends on JN's recruiting haul, about which little has been said. Even if CS and AA were coming back, I know coach felt the need for this team to become more athletic. The assistants have been fanning the country and the globe for talent. The "oppo" and negative recruiting by conference and local rivals has been brutal. The goal for next season remains the same -- winning conference and overall records, and a shot at the postseason. Fingers crossed.

Not sure I follow this logic. We would have been counting on a lot of unproven players even if CS and AA stayed. At least those like you that were absolutely sure we would be better next year 8 months before the season started and before we had signed any recruit. Little has been said about recruiting because we have no commitments, just a bunch of players we have offered. The negative recruiting as you reference happens all the time. Problem is we have little to combat this because our coach has disappeared. Maybe an appearance on FUV would have at least made those loyal to the program breathe a bit easier.  Right now the situation is a mess and the only thing that will help is getting some good talent here. I am not as optimistic being this late in the season and not one commitment. I hope I am wrong. Finally you can talk all you want about a winning conference and overall record but we need to put a team together first.
18  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Moving forward 2017-18 on: April 06, 2017, 04:40:33 pm
Curious. How would you rank Atlantic 10 teams going into the 2017-18 season? Where do you see Fordham ranking? http://www.a10talk.com/forums/threads/projected-finishes-in-the-a-10-in-2017-18.6653/

Seriously? We have at least 4 slots to fill and you want people to rank the team!
19  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Coach Hurley on: April 06, 2017, 12:42:01 pm
I hate the Hurleys.

That being said, how come is filthy rich coaching sons or any of his glorified players couldnt step up together to save beloved alma mater?

Gene Keady was a world class college coach for decades.  Not to mention the awesome hair.

Its not that simple. The decision is made by the NJ Catholic Diocese and it takes into consideration a lot more than you are making it. If attendance has dwindled as it has then it cannot be sustained. Same thing happened years ago to iconic schools such as Power Memorial in NYC.
20  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 05, 2017, 06:07:41 pm
I dont know, and I wont lie and say that I even recall him that day, I dont.

I  just think Havsa can take that role and with Zarko back, and with Hicks in fold, a shooter and PF would seem to be more pressing needs. Havsa, Chartouny and Tavares are more the slasher to basket types. We had a lot of good looks in the offense last year, so pure shooter seems like the right place to start. Not trying to disparage the player at all. 


Never really seen the kid play but be careful in assuming who can fill roles on the current roster. Sometimes when you end up "placing" guys in extended playing time roles they are not as effective as being role players. WE need some talent and hopefully some upgraded talent. Then some of the role players can continue in that spot and still be effective.
21  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Where is everybody going and why? on: April 03, 2017, 08:10:49 pm
Vooter your math is all wrong.  You are dividing each team's number of appearances by the total number of appearances for the conference.  This assumes a team could make multiple appearances in the same year, which is impossible.  You should be dividing the number of appearances by 29, the total number of tournaments.  This assumes a team was in the A-10 for all 29 years and had an opportunity to obtain entry.  Fordham last made the NCAA through the PL, so its percentage 0.0%.  Duquesne is the only other A-10 team without  an NCAA appearance since 90-91.

The real statistic should be the probability of an A-10 team making the dance in any given year.  Assuming the A-10 gets 3-4 bids, the percentage of an A-10 team making the tournament is 3.5/14 = 25%.  If the MAAC is a one-bid league, the chances of making the NCAA tournament are 1/11= 9.1%.  This assumes all teams in a conference are equal, at least on paper.  We know that is not the case.  However, things do change over time.  In Fordham's early days of he A-10, Temple and Xavier dominated the league.  After they left, Dayton and VCU took over.  Dayton and VCU are undergoing changes, however.  There could be a change at the top for some years to come.      

Honestly he lost me when he somehow concluded you have a better chance of getting a bid if you play in the MAAC.
22  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Where is everybody going and why? on: April 03, 2017, 02:56:19 pm

And as far as the chance to play meaningful postseason basketball is concerned, I actually DO think a team has a better shot at the NCAAs or the NIT coming out of the MAAC than it would coming out of the Atlantic 10. The A-10 may get three, four, or even five bids to the dance, but no one below the top six or seven of the conference's 14 teams is even getting a whiff of a bid, especially in recent years. I honestly think that a last-place MAAC team has a better chance of running the table in their conference tourney than anyone in the bottom half of the A-10 has of doing the same thing in the A-10 tournament...

When was the last time that happened. Bottom half team in MAAC running table? Not the way this tournament is run unless the team is Siena because they get to play on their home court which is another thing I dislike about the MAAC. Also if you add the NCAAs and NIT together that is usually 6 to 7 teams in the A10 annually going to a tournament of consequence or 50% as opposed to what 2.5 MAAC teams in total out of 11. Remember winning 20 games in the MAAC means nothing. St Peter's won 23 games this year and didn't get an invite to either one. Yeah they did great in that other tournament no one cares about but that is the point.
23  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Where is everybody going and why? on: April 03, 2017, 12:37:51 pm
I think they're leaving because they're tired of playing in front of tiny, unenthusiastic crowds at a school that has very little chance of playing any meaningful postseason basketball...it's their last shot...I really can't imagine that it's more complicated than that...

Did you happen to think that maybe there are other reasons? Like the coach? Also I find it interesting you mentioned very little chance of playing any meaningful basketball yet you keep on bringing up the idea of transferring into the MAAC a conference that only gets one team in a year no matter what. That is little chance of playing meaningful postseason as well even if you factor in the NIT possibilities. If you do the math the conference generally averages 1 team in the NCAA's and 1 1/2 teams in the NIT over the last 20 years or so. Nothing to write home about.
24  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Where is everybody going and why? on: April 03, 2017, 12:31:18 pm
See my reply #111 on page 4...

You still haven't answered the question. If his market value went up I would have assumed he would take a step up not down. So you are saying he would transfer to a MAAC school just to get a shot at maybe the one bid they get into the Tournament. Again what does that have to do with his value going up? he has played in the A10 for 3 years and held his own.  
25  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Where is everybody going and why? on: April 03, 2017, 08:55:34 am
A player telling me personally why he's leaving is a false test...

AA's market value climbed greatly this season.  He knows it.  CS got his degree.... he's free to choose.  If Fordham basketball was all that, why would they leave.   The best part of playing in RHG is our players had the ability to make meaningful eye contact with every single fan in the building.  The better they are, the less need they need to accept poor working conditions.


If AA's market value climbed why would he go to a school in the MAAC as rumored?
26  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: April 02, 2017, 05:55:27 pm
This information is probably as useful as most of the recruiting information that we heard. But now that we have a handful of spots to fill don't be surprised if they're filled  with a combo of not so fast European Bigs and speedyAmerican athletes.

+1 on information being useful. Skeptical on level of athletes we can recruit at this stage. Sure there are still a bunch of good players available but I am sure the competition for them will be great. Would feel a lot better with a couple of commitments in our pocket. Filling up to 5 slots at this stage is quite a bit to ask for or at least filling them all with good talent given our past history.
27  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Should Fordham Deny Releases for Transfers? on: April 02, 2017, 05:51:37 pm
If one of my players ever went under a fake name on a message board and ripped me, he would probably get his ass kicked by his teammates.   

Neubauer and Crawford are good coaches who coached up Pecora's players and turned around a moribund situation.  Ill take the coaches over whomever wants to jump ship.

I do think they got as much as possible from the team this year given the talent. But I am concerned about all the defections so far. I think there is more here than meets the eyes. Just a gut feeling.
28  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Where is everybody going and why? on: March 31, 2017, 03:59:17 pm

I love the basketball played in the high-major conferences--I watch it all the time, like I assume most other people here do. But if we're not going to make the kind of real and extremely substantial infrastructure investment that I think most people know we need to make, then the mid-major route to greater media exposure and respectability as a program is the smart way to go.


So you consider the MAAC a mid major? No one else does especially the Tournament Committee. Its a one bid conference year in year out in spite of teams that may win 25 games and not get in. Why because except for 3 or 4 schools everyone else in the conference has losing records. Sure beat up on the sisters of the poor, get to 20 wins but all that is a facade.
29  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Where is everybody going and why? on: March 31, 2017, 03:31:46 pm
I think the coaching example is bunk. Most people understand when players transfer when a new guy comes like EP did. That makes sense. Leaving the school when we are on the verge of a break out year to go somewhere for 1 year doesn't make sense to me. Those two helped get us to this point and you would think they would want to reap the rewards.

There are 2 sets of views here. Yours and theirs. Maybe they don't see it like you do. Maybe to them reaping the rewards is graduating and moving on with life. Or Maybe they don't paint as rosy a picture as you do regarding the immediate future of the team. Are we truly on the verge of a breakout season? Most would like to think so but being realistic that is a leap and requires an influx of talent even if some or all had stayed. Who knows.
30  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Where is everybody going and why? on: March 31, 2017, 11:44:56 am
You nailed it. Also the first reaction for many kids when you hold them accountable to a higher standard is to leave. If anyone thinks this is Fordham they are mistaken. This is college basketball in 2017

Its not only the kids it the coaches too. The coaches make commitments to kids then leave. Its a business like it or not and it across all levels.
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