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1  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 08:46:53 pm
meanwhile on the recruiting page ... crickets

Crickets? That is an over statement. How many have we offered or are following or have shown interest in? And not one commitment. Discouraging.
2  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 08:33:34 pm
Mike Watts indicated Northwestern was interested.  Rams will definitely miss CS.  Best of luck to him.  Lack of any new recruits is alarming.

Considering we just lost one of our primary scorers and better shooters even more alarming. JN has to step up his recruiting game.
3  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Sengfelder to transfer on: Yesterday at 08:30:20 pm

I disagree for one reason. The school want these kids staying all summer. So if a kid has even half a brain, in 3 summers he can pretty easily graduate a year early and then give himself some options.  I skate all summer with D1 players and none of them stay at their respective school for the summer, they all come home and play at Long Beach 3 times a week.

You make it real easy for a kid to graduate in 3 years.  A kid like Sengfelder who is a top student, its a piece of cake. So if you want these kids there all summer, be prepared to have tehm graduating early and this happening. 

Considering most of the guys we recruit that turn out to be good take 2 or 3 years to get to that point, that is a recipe for disaster. Not really the case with CS since he did contribute starting his freshman year but not being able to hold on to guys like this really stinks.
4  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Not sure how people think this was a good season on: March 22, 2017, 05:13:15 pm
Could he get a redshirt?  He played 10 or so games this year, I doubt the NCAA would grant him one, but I'm not completely clear on the latest redshirt rules.
I do not think so. I believe these are the rules. I think he played in 11 games this year out of 31 or roughly 35%.

To be eligible for a medical hardship waiver, a student-athlete has to meet the following criteria:

The student-athlete must suffer the injury during one of their four seasons of college competition or during the senior year of high school.
The injury must be incapacitating. That means it must be a season-ending injury.
The injury must occur prior to the start of the second half of the season.
The student-athlete must not have competed in more than 30% of the season or three contests, whichever is greater. [/i]
5  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Not sure how people think this was a good season on: March 22, 2017, 10:50:05 am
Some comments on Zarko coming from someone not a big fan of his. Having said that under no way is it a waste of scholarship and he deserves a place on the team. If there is better talent on the team than logically his playing time should be reduced. I have always said he plays hard and gives max effort but it does not necessarily warrant him getting playing time based on that if again there is better talent available. I actually think at times his offense or lack of hurt the team more than defense. On defense I thought he was okay but got exposed by quicker guards. I also think the trapping defense exposed him more so than if he played in the zone defense employed more often this past year. The problem I had on offense was there were some games he played 15 or more minutes and his line score would be 0-1 or 0-2 with 1 assist. He disappeared at times on offense and for a team that struggles to score at times you can't withstand that level of contribution. Again however, I think this will all pan out according to the talent level and play of others on the roster. The better players have to play more.
6  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Not sure how people think this was a good season on: March 20, 2017, 01:11:50 pm
This is the one year I would give the coach and the team an asterisk.  Slanina, Zarko, Hicks, Pekarek and at times JC, that's too much for a program to endure in 1 year.  If in fact, Zarko and Pekarek played so poorly because they were playing injured.

I like the 5th year players.  Hopefully that trend continues. Will be interesting to see if Tavares leaves. Or more interesting, will Zarko and/or Pekarek be back and/or able to contribute? Granted they may have been injured but to an extent, I viewed it as addition by subtraction this year.

I think you make an interesting observation about Pekarek and Zarko. Some may argue the injuries hurt us but I view it as giving more playing time to Ohams and Havsa, playing time I am not sure they would have gotten otherwise. So going into next year I think there is more to look forward to with Ohams and maybe even Havsa given what we saw this past season.
7  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Not sure how people think this was a good season on: March 19, 2017, 05:51:07 pm
Without knowing what you consider *near* the top, I will throw out these two:
2013-14: Dayton 6th
2012-13: Dayton 12th

You can keep going back from there and it is not great, but surely results we'd be ok with most years. They have a lot graduating and Miller potentially moving on.

For us, this whole thing is a building process. We are not going to out-recruit the A10, not now and not in the foreseeable future. We need to find player with potential and develop them. We need to rely on that for now. I know some feel we can recruit top athletes b/c we have landed some in the past, but most of those heralded players came with issues or baggage.

One positive I see going forward is that I feel this program has an identity finally. We play tough D and that is not expected to change. Follow that up with some better offense and we might make some noise. It's a process though.

Well if you want to be precise sure they were in 6th place back in 2013-14. Actually tied with UMass in 5th with a 10-6 record and 26-10 overall. SLU won the conference with a 13-3 record. Winning 26 games in a season nothing to sneeze about. in 2012-13 they only went 7-9 in the conference but 17-14 overall definitely a down year. Still consider them a consistently winning program in our conference and one that is "more often than not" close to the top.
8  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Not sure how people think this was a good season on: March 19, 2017, 05:43:38 pm
So let me get this straight we are now stuck with mediocrity?   We were a laughing stock two years ago so that is an improvement.  Now for the next step.  Fact: Adding Hicks and Slanina is like adding two recruits with experience.  they are the equivalent of early signees. We went 7-11 in conference without them and with Havsa/Ohams just getting their feet wet.  So yeah there is reason to optimistic we can make a jump this year, need to add offense we all know that but unlike other years whole sale changes are not needed.

My exact quote is below. I didn't say we are stuck in mediocrity. What I said is unless we improve the talent level we will be stuck in mediocrity which is what a lot of others have said. Big difference.

I think its great we have some consistency with the roster in some cases but unless we improve the talent level we will be stuck in mediocrity in the A10.
9  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Not sure how people think this was a good season on: March 19, 2017, 02:36:50 pm
Just a couple of numbers to throw out there.

We scored 2090 points this year, and assuming the roster stays intact, 79.1% of our scoring will be back next season. That's not typically a bad thing (and, no, don't tell me the number is to be devalued because our players stink, they don't).

In addition to 1653 points of returning scoring, other players will, if the roster stays intact, bring an additional 1,705 career points of scoring back. That would mean that next year's team brings 3,358 of career scoring into the season.

So JN won't have a "we're young", or "inexperienced" excuse next season (not that he's ever used it, but his predecessor never tired of it). We add Hicks, hopefully we add a couple more pieces. Unless the recruits of other A-10 schools have capes and an "S" on their chests, we have a chance for a major move forward in the conference.

The team can still practice until the NCAA tourney ends. Has anyone seen a post-season practice? Any of the wounded back?

So let me get this straight. We finished 10th in the conference this year, so far we have no commitments and just because most of the team comes back we are going to make a major move forward? Like no one else in the conference is going to get better because of returning starters and none of their commitments are going to contribute. Not every school ahead of us or for that matter behind us is losing major players. And for some programs that do such as a Dayton or VCU you wouldn't wanna bet they reload damn quickly. When was the last time one of those schools was not near or at the top of the conference?

Want another fact to consider. Its probably more reasonable to assume based on history that most of the other programs are more likely to get recruits that impact their program the first year than we are.

I think its great we have some consistency with the roster in some cases but unless we improve the talent level we will be stuck in mediocrity in the A10.
10  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Not sure how people think this was a good season on: March 18, 2017, 01:49:54 pm
Well, it depends on your expectations and whether your perspective is short range or long-range. If you just look at the W-L, it was worse than last year's. Then again, last year's OOC schedule had more cupcakes than Entenmann's and so many home games you'd think the team had been grounded by their parents. But that was done for a reason; the program had to halt a culture of futility that had folks saying it was impossible for us to compete in the A-10, or even in D-1. Invigorated by a new coach and stellar performances from 2 seniors, we did that. I don't think before last season, many folks expected a winning record.

This year, we upped the schedule a bit, and Coach Neubauer  tried to put in his system -- half successfully. The team stats after our first dozen or so games told the story. Defensively -- something that has to be taught -- we were getting it done.  [A graphic in last nights's Marquette-South Carolina game showed Fordham as #3 in the NCAA this season in forced turnovers]. We were getting more shots than the opponent -- just not hitting them at a good enough rate. A modest improvement in shooting percentage would have led to a rather dramatic shift in the W-L.  But once JN knew he didn't have the horses, he shifted strategies (wow, a coach who doesn't think his 'system' is the ultimate in basketball, and the problem is his kids don't play it properly, and who has the guts to make a change!) and the record began improving dramatically. Yep, we had some nice conference wins, a couple of heartbreaking losses, and we were gassed at the end due to injuries, but there weren't many beatdowns coming down the stretch (a hallmark of prior Fordham teams).

If the roster stays intact, we've got 10 returning players for '17-18, each of whom has shown they can contribute something in an A-10 game. Probably around 2500 returning career points in scoring, a nice problem to have. We add Perris Hicks and hopefully a couple of decent recruits.  By itself, this season's record wasn't anything to get excited about. But if you view the season in the context of a 5-year program turnaround plan -- which I do -- we're precisely where we should be, maybe a bit ahead of schedule. Losing culture, gone. A coach who sets out to win every game. Players who believe they can do that. We're making progress.

 
3 things I totally disagree with. If last year's OOC schedule was a cupcake, this year's was not far behind. We lost 2 games to 2 teams we had no business losing to Manhattan and Sacred Heart and 2 of our wins were against NYIT and Lipscomb not to mention Rider. In the "tougher" games we didn't even compete in some like St John's and Rutgers neither of which had great talent.

In terms of the roster staying in tact, sure you can assume some players will get better but every team will expect that from their returning starters. I also don't think quantity translates to depth. Its no coincidence this team played better with a shorter bench since the better players got more time. Addition through subtraction as Peter would say.

Listen we finished 10th in the A10 and the only way we will get better and move up is the bring in better talent. Every team in the conference has players returning but where we lag is in the recruiting. So far we don't have a commitment. There are two goals here. One is establishing a foot hold to build on and yes maybe we can build on this. But at the same time we are competing against our conference opponents and they are not standing still. In fact when it comes to recruiting this year most are ahead of us. Lets see where this ends up after Spring recruiting but unless we get a couple of talented players in here no way I will be as optimistic as you are.
11  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Not sure how people think this was a good season on: March 18, 2017, 01:33:09 pm
We went backward in virtually any measurable criteria.   The only feel good IMO was 2 quality wins.  Are we better than 3-4 years ago?   Yes we are.  So what?  We remain a bad program and we took a big step back with a truly (mediocre) OOC schedule.  The wait and see for a final grade is this year's recruiting class.  It has to be markedly better.  Depending on our guys to get better is great but other teams will develop their talent as well.  Coach needs to bring in better players.

Couldn't agree more for the most part. This season was surprising and weird. Totally disappointed in OOC performance and losing to a team like Sacred Heart was horrible. I was somewhat surprised how "well" we did in conference considering the OOC. But to your point yes we are more competitive in the A10. However like you I don't think you can expect to do better just because some guys are returning and they should improve.  I also am not using the injuries as an excuse. I actually thought we started playing better with a shorter bench and some of the better players getting more minutes as opposed to be shuffled in and out. I do not equate depth to quantity as some do. Some will disagree but I do not think getting Pekarek and Zarko back will help in the long run especially if they take minutes from better players. I kind of equate our situation to those of mediocre teams in the pros that win just enough and therefore they don't draft early and its hard to improve. In our case we are mediocre in the A10 league. If we ever expect to get out of the 8-12 place range its going to take a raising of the talent level in order to get there. I know its too early to predict next year's team in terms of performance but I would feel a lot better if we had a commitment or 2 at this stage from some talented players. I think JN did a great job coaching this team and getting what he could out of it, especially in the A10. but he needs to step up the recruiting. His next early signing recruit will be his first at Fordham.



12  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Moving forward 2017-18 on: March 14, 2017, 12:15:06 pm
You can't predict anyone getting better based upon who on paper is coming in next year.  Ther eis a greater than 50% transfer rate in college. You have the Clearinghouse to deal with and its a long, long ways away.

If you are going to argue that perspective then you can't predict anyone will get better right now based on who is expected to return. We can't predict players leaving, injuries and anything else. To some degree you are arguing my point. Its too early to predict whether any team will be better. We need to see how things shake out not only for Fordham but everyone else in the conference.
13  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Moving forward 2017-18 on: March 14, 2017, 10:09:42 am
Some good points here. Still behind the 8-ball in terms of talent, which we can overcome (to an extent)...

Make no mistake, the four teams below us in the standings (SLU, UMASS, STJOS, DUQ) are all trending upward. All four return at least two high-major players with more coming in.

The top end teams of the conference graduate plenty, but the reinforcements are in place. I believe VCU has four "4-star" kids coming in. Davidson will have Grady. St. Joe's will have Demery back. Saint Louis gets two blue-chips in Goodwin and French. La Salle gets a high-major guard from Marquette. URI brings in Russell. Duquesne has a PG coming in that could start from Day 1.

The bottom of the A10 was woeful this year. Will not be the case again.


Dayton has 3 recruits coming in of which 2 are rated 3 star. From what I can see from rivals/scout it looks like almost every A10 team has some commitments. No way of knowing how these turn out but some are rated well and they are commitments. As I have stated even though we have a group of players returning and the overall play may improve you can't assume our record will be better if everyone around us is improving as well. I want to see who we bring in before a true assessment of next year's team can be made. I would feel better if we had a commitment or 2 at this point.
14  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Moving forward 2017-18 on: March 12, 2017, 06:37:47 pm
Well, you need a lot of depth for the style of ball that JN likes to play. Early this year, he adjusted his strategy when he realized he didn't have the shooters to carry it off on the offensive end. When the injuries hit, he had no choice but to make further adjustments. To JN's credit, he did not pout and insist that his sacred "system" be played, nor did he write the season off as a practice exercise. This guy coached to win every game he was in.

Other teams may have good freshmen coming in, but the A-10 is a league where experience counts for a lot. An impact newcomer would be nice, but a newcomer whose impact will be felt the season after next might be fine, too.

Some of the top programs in the  A10 have the ability to recruit and bring in freshman that have an impact. What you are doing is taking the situation at Fordham and applying it to all the other teams. It does not work that way. We tend to have to recruit players with the hope that by years 3 and 4 they start making a big impact. Its not like that everywhere,

As for the depth issue as long as the subs can continue the level of play of the starters that is fine but I don't think that is the case here. I think in some cases playing the better players more benefits the team. Again some think the lack of depth hurt us towards the end of the season. I actually think the shorter rotation made a big difference in turning the season around. I don't want to start naming names but not having to play certain players because they were hurt actually opened the door for others and gave the team more consistency.
15  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Moving forward 2017-18 on: March 12, 2017, 12:12:55 pm
Assuming everyone's back next year, we'll have a lot of returning depth, just in scholarship players.

Frontcourt:  Sengfelder, Slanina, Ohams, Bunting, Pekarek
Backcourt: Chartouny, Anderson, Hicks, Tavares, Zarkovic, Havsa

Most other A-10 teams should have deeper graduation losses than Fordham.  I'd feel comfortable taking the above rotation into competition next season. Every one of those guys, save Hicks, has proven he can contribute something positive at the A-10 level (and I'm not worried about Hicks).  Add a couple more solid pieces, we should be firm, possibly even formidable.

Kind of premature and in some ways a one sided view no? While some A10 teams may have deeper graduation losses some of these teams also have some commitments already from some very good prospects. You can go to some of the recruiting sites to see the commitments so far. So far we have none. Other point is more is not better. Yes we did not have much depth this year post injuries but I don't think its a coincidence that the team started playing better when the rotation was shortened.

I want to see how things pan out, who comes and who goes before setting expectations for next year. We may be marginally better next year under the assumption that another year of experience will help but that pertains to a lot of the schools as well.
16  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Moving forward 2017-18 on: March 12, 2017, 11:58:06 am
Hawkins season mirrored the team bad start but hung in there and produced most games down the stretch.   Tough year to evaluate it was really strange. 

As for recruiting I always laugh at we can't take risks, can't afford misses.  Those two statements ignore reality every program in the A-10 has misses every program in the A-10 takes chances, even VCU and Dayton.  Look at the top 100 recruits every year, A-10 schools get a few many years none.  We are not out recruiting other programs, we need solid players put together so their skills compliment each other and fit in with what the coach wants to do.  So this year don't expect a bunch of 4 star recruits that is not happening and not how we will win. 

As I mentioned in my post some programs can afford misses or take risks more often because they already have an established program with depth. Its easier to do that once you have a solid program and win consistently. The difference is they do it when they are on top or near the top of the conference , we do it trying to get to that level without a lot of depth or quality in some years.
17  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Moving forward 2017-18 on: March 11, 2017, 12:35:24 pm
I didnt think Havsa was a player early but I also might have mixed him up with the other Turk. Regardless, he is clearly a good recruit.

Slanina is a big and he started to really progress before the injury. As we saw last year, there is a dearth of bigs in this conference and a good, not great, 6ft 11 guy, can often dominate in the A-10. Clearly has skills and his development was obvious. This guy can be a difference maker.

Hawkins was exactly what we needed. A quality 5th year guy who was a high level talent. He was a solid recruit and we need to rinse repeat this year.

Hicks is obvious an unknown.

Tavares will either be a real quality player next year ( like Mandel) or he will be anchored to the bench. All or nothing guy in my opinion but talent level is A-10.

This was a very strange year and very odd in evaluating the talent level. it was like a light switch turned on after the first half of the year. That to me means we have one heck of a good coaching staff. They made changes, they developed players and they got better.


Interesting that Hawkins is now considered a solid recruit even though for more than half the season most on this Board considered him a monumental failure and wanted him to sit. Yes he came on in the latter part of the season but honestly I do not consider him a solid recruit because he played 10/12 good games. As a 5th year player I expected more of him for a full season.
18  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Moving forward 2017-18 on: March 11, 2017, 12:31:31 pm
Smith and Hardnett were two high end recruits that we took a flyer on. It didnt work out but in the spring, it was worth the gamble.  High risk high reward situation.

Disagree on this. For this program we cannot afford to gamble especially with 2 recruits. We are not at a level yet where we can afford misses. Maybe when/if the program reaches a consistency level and gets better. We had no depth this year in part because these 2 recruits were not good enough/left the program. As it is most of the recruits we bring in are at the level where they are looking for diamonds in the rough. We need to bring in some that have a high degree of being somewhat successful at this level.
19  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Moving forward 2017-18 on: March 10, 2017, 04:56:43 pm
What changes is usually 1st year guys becoming vets.  PER (player efficiency rating) is an imperfect stat; it rewards big men over smaller guys to an extent.  But it a good proxy for player improvement, cutting down TOs, improving shot selection or just shooting, etc.

Anderson as freshman was at 7.9.  This year 12.4 (slight regression from soph). 

Sengfelder was at 15.4.  he came in fully formed pretty much.  He slumped lat year to 13.7.  This year 15.7, so despite shooting worse from 3 an improvement from last year.  The change in the way he was used effected this, since his rebound rate fell from freshman year, when he was a low post player.

Bunting was at 10.8 last year, 15.6 this year.

Chartouny 18.2 last year, 19.6 this year.

What this suggests is that the biggest jump is from freshman to soph or junior.

Ohams PER was 7.0.  But in conference he was at 9.6, so his overall is propped up by his in conference PER, where he got the lion's share of his playing time.  he improved throughout the year.

Havsa 9.4 overall, 10.9 in conference, again overall brought up by the lion's share of PT being in conference, where he was better against stronger comp.

Slanina 14.9 overall, 15.3 in conference. 

Overall, the team's play improved through the year,  the same as it did last year, OOC wins notwithstanding.  Pekarek improved last year.  He was far worse this year but evidently hurt.

Rhoomes, Thomas and Severe all were much better in their last Fordham year than their first.  Thomas's per went from 12 to 18, up by 50% from frosh to senior. Rhoomes doubled from 13 to 26 over 4 years, and even made a big leap from junior to senior year.  This isn't unheard of at all. Brice Johnson did it last year, Buddy Hield, just to name well-know national players.  UNC also lost its 2 best players yet again won ACC, even with only small freshman contributions (mostly back-up center Tony Bradley). Their seniors and juniors improved.  Meeks (sr) went from 23.2 to 27 in PER.  Berry (jr) 19.3 to 21.1.  Pinson (jr) 14.1 to 17.8.  Justin Jackson (jr) 18.9 to 21.4 and ACC Player of the year.  Shot under 30% from 3 last year up to 38.2.  Big jumps for sophs Luke Maye 10.6 to 17.5.  Kenny Williams 8.4 to 13.1.  Now I'd say UNC is very good at coaching up players but this isn't all that unusual, and the Fordham examples above suggest typical, although overall level is different.

If Sengfelder shot 3s like his junior year, rebounded like his freshman year, and hit 2s like this year, well over 60%, his numbers would jump.  Not expecting all that, but just showing how a jump of some degree is feasible even for a senior.  Chartouny this year was dragged down by injuries a bit.  He certainly could stand to improve his decision making.  AA is a bit of an enigma.  He shot the 3 ball very well in conference this year and has immense talent physically, made some huge winning shots.  The ankle injury may have hampered him a bit, but more between the ears than anything.

The real big improvements will likely come from Ohams, Havsa and/or Slanina.

I don't think it takes as much as people think to improve.  Having a cohesive returning group improves the team.  Incoming talent is great, especially for after next year, and no doubt someone really good would help, and the team needs depth.  You hope for more health this year but someone always gets hurt.  I think an improvement in cutting down TOs will help a lot.  Small improvement in other areas.  The D is well on its way to elite status, as shown by the 3 game stretch including the Rhode Island win, clamping down on Davidson game 1, etc.  Ohams is already very good on that end as a freshman.   

I think I underestimated Hawkins.  He improved a lot as the season went on.  He wasn't hyper efficient because he had to get off shots when others on the team wouldn't or couldn't.  For a one year guy he really won me over and I'll hold him in high regard.  But even his points aren't all that hard to replace.  He wasn't a hyper efficient scorer and just spreading around his shots to the returnees alone would mostly balance out his departure. You hope Hicks adds something (although we'd be fairly guard heavy), and Slanina can come back healthy and build on this year.

So those are reasons to assume that the players will, for the most part, improve, and the team improve next year.  We are talking averages.  Not everything is linear.   

Not everything is based on mathematical formulas either. Some times the naked eye is the best measure of how one performs. The one measure you left out is 13-19 our record which was worse than last year. I am not trying to be a downer, in fact I said we got a lot more out of this group than anyone thought coming out of the OOC but to think there is going to be this big improvement next year because we have a lot of players coming back and the expectation is they will all improve is a recipe for failure. Some of the perennial leaders of the A10 will restack as always and some of the teams we beat this year that are normally higher up in the standings (St Joe's, UMass) will rebound as well. If we want to keep up with everyone we need more talent plain and simple.
20  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham George Mason Pre/In/Post Game Thread Thursday 6 pm NBCSN on: March 10, 2017, 12:43:10 pm
I don't want to explain away the collapse, but it really came down to one thing - missing free throws down the stretch.  GM exerted furious full court pressure which our guys handled effectively and with poise.  I didn't sense any panic in our guys - and I truly believed we were going to win the game up until the game tying, buzzer beater bucket.  

Only 7 TOs for the game is pretty impressive.  One of the offensive boards that GM got in the final minute of regulation was high, deep rebound where we had good position but the ball bounced elsewhere.  Officiating was horrendous, and losing AA was huge IMO.  No offense to Havsa, but he was unable to recover defensively on the high inbounds pass from the baseline, and allowed the GM dribble penetration leading to the bucket that forced the OT.  AA probably doesn't allow that to happen - although the refs probably would have called him for a foul.  

Probably right. Don't forget that AA's 5th foul was when we had 2 point lead and he fouled in lane when he got beat as well. Guy made only 1/2 and bailed us out for the moment but then CS only made 1/2 which led to tie at buzzer.
21  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Moving forward 2017-18 on: March 10, 2017, 12:35:42 pm
Hmmm. You don;t expect Chartouny, Sengfelder, AA, Havsa, Chuba, Slanina, or even Bunting or Pek to improve on offense. You think they are all what they are? I guess the guys should just relax until next year. No use putting work in since they can't get any better.

You said it yourself. Every year is year to year in CB. Things change rapidly including performance of returnees. I expect us to be much better on offense next year. Partly because our additions but more because guys improve. One area where I think we will be much better is with Ball security. We turned it over waaay too much this year. Increased mins from Havsa will help there.

I think its fair to say some will improve, especially the younger classmen but at the same time certain ones such as CS and AA may be the same or flatten out to put it better.

Yes ball security was an issue but you realize a bulk of the TOs came from AA, Hawkins and JC? AA is what he is. He will make the spectacular play but also the dumb turnover. As a 5th year senior not sure how much this will change. JC as much as we rely on him still has shown an inclination to turnover the ball his first 2 years. And Hawkins was a grad player. Point is we were getting TOs from 2 upperclassmen and one of our more dependable starters and 2 of them will be back next year.

Finally one area we need to improve on in shooting. Maybe with Havsa there is upside and who knows with Hicks but from what I have seen from the others don't expect much more than what we see.
22  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Moving forward 2017-18 on: March 10, 2017, 12:26:48 pm
Speed and Quickness can be refined and absolutely taught - and absolutely at this level. I didn't even know when a speed coach was until I started played college sports. There's a reason why people train on speed ladders and work on their running/sprinting technique. We're not going to turn anyone into Usain Bolt, but yes, speed and quickess can develop at this level and I'd go as far as saying that it should as people work on their core & leg strength.  

There is a big difference in speed running in a straight line like a sprinter as opposed to speed moving laterally and based on instinct and reflexes. Players that are quick and shifty can do that based on their physical traits. Same goes with jumping. You can strengthen legs but it does not mean they will jump any higher or get more rebounds. Some people possess better God given skills.
23  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Moving forward 2017-18 on: March 10, 2017, 09:58:43 am
Way to early to project. For one deeper does not necessarily translate to better. Better talent is more important. Lets see who comes and who goes. We definitely need to replace some PPG. Also its not too early to start bringing in future replacements for CS and AA even if they stay. You need to start building the pipeline now so when starters leave the replacements are already within the system for the most part. Otherwise you will continue to have up and down years an no consistency given most of our recruits take 2 years before they seem to contribute quality minutes.
24  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham George Mason Pre/In/Post Game Thread Thursday 6 pm NBCSN on: March 10, 2017, 09:52:17 am
The team has been awful for years.  He inherited a team and lost players. Slanina and Hicks were recruits. So were Havsa and Ohams. This team was STILL better than ANY Pecora team in 5 years or the last 2 disastrous Whitt teams.  You seriously don't get that? Just going by your criteria, w and l.  When I point that out you say the opponents stink worse.  You are grasping at bitter straws.

There needs to be some balance in this discussion. First he did inherit a team and the talent last year due to Thomas and Rhoomes was better than this year. In terms of players he lost for the most part they were his recruits. This year his recruits have been okay so far (Ohams and Slanina have upside), Hicks is unknown and one was only for 1 year. Having said all that I think he did a better job of coaching this year than last given the circumstances. I don't think the coaching is an issue but I do think the talent level needs to be improved. To some extent that will be on the coach even though the environment (gym, facilities etal) do not help out at all.
25  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham George Mason Pre/In/Post Game Thread Thursday 6 pm NBCSN on: March 09, 2017, 09:14:24 pm
Crushing defeat and lousy way to end a season. Kind of puts a ribbon and bow around the whole season. Disappointing OOC stretch and beginning of A10. A lot of us didn't think this team would win 1 or 2 conference games after that start. They showed a lot of grit righting themselves but in the end as much as they fought they came up short. ll I will say

I think they have some pieces moving forward but they need some more talent. I will not weigh in on expectations next year until I see how things shake out and in particular who leaves and more importantly who we have coming in. All I will say is as tough and gritty as this group may be unless we get some talent infusion things will continue to be the same. Meaning challenging and difficult to move the program up.

26  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Congrats to Jon Severe on: March 08, 2017, 10:04:53 am
They would have been a lethal Round 1 matchup. Sweet Sixteen.

Yes I do feel sorry for them as they probably deserve an invite, but this is the price you pay for being in the MAAC. Been saying it for a long time. Its not a well looked upon conference. Top heavy with 3/4 teams with good records and rest are bad for the most part. Most times a one bid conference that goes to tournament winner. At this point Monmouth's failure to win tournament last 2 years is their own fault even though odds stacked against most teams having to play on Siena's home court every year in tournament.
27  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Congrats to Jon Severe on: March 07, 2017, 12:50:00 pm
Noticed all of this and just reminded me of how much of a distraction he was here. This will be my last comment as I don;t want to bury the kid but my thought watching was same old same old.

Great game BTW. Jordan Washington is a legit high major talent and was very impressed with Much from Iona. Announcer said his brother found Iona on the internet when researching transfer destinations from Buffalo. Wish AA would have played the Rochester connection as Much's shooting would have been great on this year's team.

The real what if concerning last night's game was not about Jon Severe. It is...What if we hired Tim Cluess and kept Grasso as lead assistant instead of hiring Pecora. Interested to hear what people think.

I give Cluess and Iona a lot of credit for winning last night but there is a ton of difference between coaching in the MAAC and coaching in the A10. Do I think he would have been a better hire than Pecora, yes. But I am not sure as to what level of success.

I have stated over and over that I think the MAAC is a conference with tremendous faults. It is always top heavy. Last year all but 4 had losing records and this year marginally better. The conference is not well looked upon and 99% of the time is a one bid conference. Case in point Monmouth who will not get a bid for the second year in a row. The tournament most years is in Albany because Siena can guarantee ticket sales which gives them an unfair advantage. This is why I give Iona credit for last night.

In any case with the level of talent Iona gets they will always be at the top or near the top in the conference. Not sure that same talent level translates to success in the A10. You can also debate as to whether Cluess if coaching at Fordham would have been able to bring some of these kids in.
28  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. George Washington - 3/1, 7:00pm - Pre-Game/In-Game Thread on: March 03, 2017, 10:15:19 am
I will chime in as a coach who has a worse record than Pecora.

JC in my quasi half baked expert opinion is not in optimal condition to play 40 minutes. He wore down at the end of last season and he had no legs. End of last year he couldnt even inbound the ball near the end of games, his legs were shot, no jump in his step. I see that as behind many of these head scratching turnovers.
He is a very fine player but he doesnt appear to be in optimal condition to take it to the next level. He again appears to be worn down ........still the best we have....but its all in the legs.

Dr. Zamboni needs to prescribe something.



The game is not all physical. A big part is mental as well. You don't make dangerous cross court passes. You don't dribble into a crowd with no outlet. You don't pick up the dribble and so on and so on. Some of the turnovers for everyone not only JC were plain dumb plays.
29  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. George Washington - 3/1, 7:00pm - Pre-Game/In-Game Thread on: March 02, 2017, 10:42:32 am
Yep this is a flawed team. Very frustrating but we should remind ourselves that this is year two of the rebuild. If we are going to take the big leap to the top 4 or 5 in conference the TO issue needs to improve. It starts with JC.

Yep I get it but no matter how many years we are into a rebuild when a guy like AA (4th year Junior) and Hawkins (5th year postgrad) make these dumb mistakes its not like they should not know by now. As for JC, some posts have already discussed his tendencies. I do give him a bit more of a string considering its only year 2 for him.
30  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. George Washington - 3/1, 7:00pm - Pre-Game/In-Game Thread on: March 02, 2017, 09:08:41 am
Up 18 with 3.5 to go first half.  40-22.  GW comeback started then closing the gap to 13 at the half.  Anderson 5 turnovers Chartouny 6 Hawkins 3.  Hawkins shot selection abysmal.  Tavares nonexistent.  That is how you blow a big lead.  Havsa tried to save us but we would not be denied to loss.

Hit it on on the head. We have 17 turnovers in total and 14 come from the 3 guys who are supposed to be leaders of this team. Its just unacceptable. If you look at some of the turnovers, bad passes going cross court right into the hands of the defenders. At times you say to yourself what are they thinking about. Also this was one of the games that the bad AA showed up. As has been stated you take the good with the bad with him. He won a couple of games for us this year but this one he cost us. As for Hawkins some of the shots he takes are ridiculous.
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