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1  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 03:06:53 pm
They are playing 6-7 guys, some of whom are Mc Donalds All Americans, you cant compare them with us, its apples and oranges. 

+1 some of these comparisons are off the chart.
2  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 03:05:34 pm

There was a guy at William & Mary, Jack Whitman, 6'19", who grad transferred to Kansas.  He went to a few classes this summer at Kansas but bailed.  Kansas btw is playing about 7 guys most nights because they have 3 transfers sitting out, another transfer who becomes eligible later, and a freshman who hasn't qualified academically.


At 6'19" he was ruled ineligible to play as he is deemed not human Smiley
3  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 11:16:22 am
It also makes the other team play harder on D, so in turn can tire them out some.

Yes and know. If we are constantly moving the ball and setting screens and having guys run the base line yes. But too often we have seen guys dribble the ball 30 feet outside going East/West as opposed to dribbling with a purpose (i.e. Havsa). In those cases we are helping the defense out.
4  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 09:32:00 am
I can point to 18 games where those 7 A10 wins can come from. Wink

Silly to force the prediction hand when last year at this point nobody saw us beating VCU, URI, St. Joe's or Davidson.

Need to get a few guys going, mainly Chartouny and things can change considerably. Get Pekarek to play like he did last night, which was not great, but he battled on the boards, scored 10, had a few blocks, and we have another contributor.

I think one issue that someone else mentioned is that the offense system is bad and that has impacted JC to some extent. 3 straight shot clock violations in a row is almost impossible. We have seen this all season. Even in the last minute of the game we are down double digits and it still takes us almost 25 seconds to take a shot. Sure we weren't going to win but right now this scheme stinks. Crawford has the defense playing well at times an this was mentioned on TV last night as well. Can't JN concentrate on fixing the offense?
5  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 13, 2017, 09:15:39 am
Last year we were 5-7 after losing to Rutgers in a much more lopsided game and ended up with 13 wins in a better A-10 so I think you are probably being a little too negative. I would say 12 wins is probably more likely. Still not good.

Where the wins coming from? Chances are we win our next game against Florida A&M as they are not good. That gives us 5 wins. We aren't going to beat W VA in our last OOC game so you are projecting 7 wins in the A-10. the league may be down this year but I can't get ugly losses we had this year to Miami Ohio and Harvard and a one point win against a bad Maine team out of my mind. Most of the A-10 teams if not all are better than these 3 opponents. 7 wins seems like a reach.
6  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. St. Francis - PreGame/InGame 12/9, 3pm on: December 12, 2017, 03:01:33 pm
I'm not sure what your point is here ... Are you comparing an average Xavier team to a top 5 team in the nation, or are you saying Dunston and company were a big draw as unknown freshmen?  Regardless, if a highly ranked team came to Rose Hill for a Saturday game that gym would be packed.  And as great as Robin and Dunston were, I'm not sure they were ever drawing crowds at Fordham.

I didn't say they were a big draw but definitely more entertaining to watch. Plus watching Robin or Dunston or Gaston play you knew you had a good quality player to watch that was on a par with A10 talent. Sorry right now we really don't have anyone like that.
7  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. St. Francis - PreGame/InGame 12/9, 3pm on: December 12, 2017, 01:52:51 pm
If the #5 team in the country came in this year on a Saturday the place would be packed. This idea that people came to see Chris Gaston or Bevon Robin or even Bryant Dunston play is ridiculous. People come to see winning teams or great opponents.

Not entirely true. I can remember when DW was the coach in his second year and we beat Xavier on a last second hoop by Kevin Anderson. I was there as also went to a bunch of other games that year. The team had a losing record but they played some entertaining games. I have been to 3 games this year and quite frankly at times its like watching paint dry. Sure a top 10 team will draw people but having some talent helps.
8  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. St. Francis - PreGame/InGame 12/9, 3pm on: December 11, 2017, 07:23:06 pm
Hard to say how much enjoyment one could have had watching those players stagger to what, by my count, is a composite record of 115-259 (.307, which now looks like our shooting percentage some nights). Suffice it to say Fordham was not the "cradle of coaches" during that era.

But to revert to the earlier discussion, the plain fact is that our program is in fact configured for the lower reaches of the NEC, MAAC or America East, and attempting to compete in the A-10. Our small and old gym has hampered us in attracting talent, and now at old, small and empty, it's even worse.  Fact is, our OOC home games will be with small conference foes no one cares about. And the Administration has done zip to build a fan base.  I believe Monmouth played Kentucky at MSG last weekend. Monmouth. If you're a long time Ram fan, that probably made you throw up in your mouth a little.


Yeah the same Monmouth that has had some decent seasons the last few years and if I recall had a couple of big wins 2 years ago against UCLA and Notre Dame. When was our last signature win in the OOC?
9  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham @ Rutgers PreGame/InGame - 12/12, 7:00pm on: December 11, 2017, 10:00:38 am
Harvard isn't much worse than Rutgers.  Rutgers offense is actually worse than Harvard's. But they have a good D. And this is a road game.  Not that it means much because RHG is hardly a home court advantage with a dead atmosphere.  We had bigger wins than Rutgers on the road last year.  We have a 14.7% chance of winning per ESPN.  Not sure how compelling that is.  I think it's closer to 25%. We were 5-4 in the A-10 on the road last year.  I think we are better on the road because the home atmosphere is depressing.
     

Rutgers has scored over 70 points in every game but one and had 2 in the 90s and a couple in the 80s. Yes I am sure the opponents were not all good but still how can you say their offense is worse than Harvards? Also we are 4-3 at home against weak opponents and 0-2 on the road so far. Yes I know the 2 losses were in the Bahamas but how can you say we are better on the road with nothing substantial to back it up. An yes you keep going back to last year but every year stands on its own.
10  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. St. Francis - PreGame/InGame 12/9, 3pm on: December 10, 2017, 05:40:40 pm
Combination of things. Utterly boring brand of basketball.  High expectations. Way too many injuries. A bad loss to start season. And then all the rest....not to mention....given our location and traffic, you can drive up and maybe miss the first half sitting in 2 hours of traffic, or plop down in fron tof puter at 7 and watch the game unencumbered......sorry....that is just reality...

The quality of play is bad and not entertaining. i was there yesterday along with my son and even though we won at times it was unwatchable. You can see literally how off some of the 3 point shots are as soon as they leave the shooters hand. Yes we won but St Francis is terrible. One bad habit is the fact we still struggle with in bounds passes and stupid fouls. We made the same dumb plays in the last 2 minutes that we always seem to make down the stretch. This time it didn't cost us with a big lead but just made the final score closer than it should have been. At some point the coach has to take some of the blame. I continue to go to games and lure my son by promising a good meal on Arthur Ave. Yes this team plays hard and the defense is tougher but overall the quality of play is as bad as it has been. I am not going to predict how we do the rest of this year but its going to be a real struggle to find many wins. Outside of Florida A&M next set of games will be tough going.
11  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Harvard @ Fordham Pregame/In-game 12/6/17 7PM on: December 09, 2017, 01:37:11 pm
Yes and putrid last year.  And 7 possessions from being 7-1.  Which was the point last year, too. Putrid OOC and start to season. You call it rationalizing. I call it rational.  I pointed that out last year, when everyone said 0-16.  Old Coach said I was talking moral victories. Kid from NY said so what, close losses are losses.  Basketball can be a close run thing we all know. This has been horrible ball, and yet, as awful as that, the team has been in games. I said it a million times slight improvement would mean a lot.

And right after that 6-10, 0-3 we won 7 of 12 and that was fun, no?  At 7-8 with a shot to finish above 500 in conference for the first time in years? Young players like Havsa and Ohams contributing? Beating #34, #50 #86 kenpom? Winning on the road? Talking seeding? GW and GM games sucked but there was some great ball, and it sucked because they made you care. Well, it made me care. I get the feeling some would rather wallow.  At least 13-19 and 7-11 isn't 2-26.

The point is it looked just as bad last year if not worse.  I don't make a prediction how it turns out but we improved significantly each of the last 2 years over the course of the year. Maybe not this year. Sure, we need more and better players.  These last two games stunk. The 8 guys out there can't quit. I am simply hopeful they get better, and guys like Havsa, JC, etc have played better. I don't think it irrational to think they can improve.  In fact they probably will.  Whether that's enough to win a lot of games who knows? 

The talent was better last year plain and simple. Every year stands on its own.
12  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Harvard @ Fordham Pregame/In-game 12/6/17 7PM on: December 09, 2017, 10:13:00 am
Havsa leads the team in assists per minutes - 12/103. I'm sure that's why the coach is playing him, while hoping he'll get back close to last year's shooting - 22/46, .478 total, incl. 8/24 from three. And, as has been pointed out, most of his PT came in conference play.

For full disclosure purposes, he was 4-4 in one game which puts him at 4-20 in all the rest. One could argue the one game was an outlier given everything. I am not trying to downplay things here but when you mention stats sometimes you need to look behind the numbers. One good game can distort the overall stats especially when looking at a player with somewhat limited minutes.
13  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Harvard @ Fordham Pregame/In-game 12/6/17 7PM on: December 08, 2017, 10:49:20 am
Not surprising, and I don't mean that in a bad way. It is a realistic view, though some might say pessimistic. I tend to be a bit of a pessimist myself, though I'd argue that I am a realist as well. PA Ram clearly said he is an optimist.

Good summation. I am trying to think of a silver lining but its tough right now. I guess one could go along the lines of thinking that no team can shoot this bad for a whole season. Right?
14  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Harvard @ Fordham Pregame/In-game 12/6/17 7PM on: December 08, 2017, 08:54:16 am
The D is good enough to win games against good teams.  When the 3's start falling we'll have enough good wins to feel good about the development of the team and to get pumped about next year.  That's my expectation given the pattern the last few years.  It's better than previous patterns of starting off with an inkling of promise and then rapidly circling the drain. 

Coach em up but double down on what has been an awful offense imo.  Evans will eventually break through and when the 3's start falling, combined with our D, I could see us doing better than expected in A10 play.  If I wasn't an optimist I would have left here long ago.

The one thing that baffles me most since I'm a guy who is not as in tune with the details of the team as you guys are is Havsa.  He was such a revelation last year and appeared to be good enough to be one of the focal points of our offense this year.  Now, not only is he not producing but I see you guys ripping him in a way that makes me think there was off the court stuff (or prima donna stuff) that went on.  Is that right or is it just that he's playing horribly and everyone's pissed?

Right now with the D as it is we are not even beating mediocre teams. As good as it is it can't make up for the lousy offense we have. If that is the case not sure how you think it will be good enough to produce wins against good teams. Its too much of a difference to make up for. Also think about this. We are shooting this bad right now and missing uncontested shots. When we play better teams their defense will be better and thus the shots will be contested more. I am not sure I see a dramatic improvement in shooting.
15  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Fordham vs. St. Francis - PreGame/InGame 12/9, 3pm on: December 07, 2017, 04:05:24 pm
They play 10 guys 10 or more minutes a game, and 13 guys 8 or more minutes.  Some guys have missed some games though, but they go deep.  Mediocrity, but a lot of it.  The 337th offense versus the 339th offense.  Oof.  .287 from 3.  Pikers!  Almost like they are trying.

Slanina has lowered his fouling this year.  Last 2 games 2 and 1.  Partly probably because he's aware of the depth issue, but at least it hasn't hurt the D much.

Who else will step up?  Looks like Pekarek of all the players tried to.  His usage % was 24.6% while on the court against Harvard, almost as high as Tavares and Slanina.  Six shots in 14 minutes. No one else was over 20%.  Uh, maybe he's not the guy we want using up a lot of possessions.  

I'll go JC as the step up guy, 16 points, 7 rebounds, 5 steals.  A Festivus miracle, five guys in double figures.  79-58.  Not betting with my head.   They only lost to Notre Dame 71-53.

All these stats you throw out are interesting but in the end what does it really mean. Usage % for Pekarek? All I know is the guy was 1-6 in the game and I believe 2-18 on the season. All I know is I don't want him shooting, I also believe most if not all of his shots are from 3 point range. Talk about one dimensional. How about taking a shot from closer range or God forbid driving to the basket. Yeah I know he isn't the type to put the ball on the floor and make a move to the hoop but you can't keep having a guy shooting 10% keep taking these shots.
16  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Harvard @ Fordham Pregame/In-game 12/6/17 7PM on: December 07, 2017, 09:50:41 am
I agree completely. While winning changes the narrative it does not change the fact that we should have pulled away in the 2nd half with the defense we played and the way Harvard shot. Maybe it is lack of talent, maybe lack of confidence, maybe lack of killer instinct. Something is lacking.

If it is talent we will find out the rest of the year. I was hoping it was more confidence based on past results but with each game that goes by it gets harder and harder to make the case.

On a positive note: I went to the Hartford Christmas reception last night and followed the game on my phone. Very nice event and the Development person mentioned to the crowd that we had 6 point lead at half (I knew that was the beginning of the end). You can say a lot of things about McShane but he is really good at these events. The spiel he does to early action accepted students that he is trying to convince to come is a sight to behold.
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Maybe we should put him in charge of recruiting!!
17  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Harvard @ Fordham Pregame/In-game 12/6/17 7PM on: December 07, 2017, 09:49:08 am
The use of timeouts has been discussed for the last 3 years on this Board. It is a JN trait. Not sure of the logic as to why he takes some of the TOs when he does and then has either 1 or none at the end of games. Same with the inbounds pass. In this case it resulted in a 5 second violation but how often often the last few years have we seen an inbounds play screwed up and in some cases right after a TO. Is it the players, is it the coaching or both?
18  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Harvard @ Fordham Pregame/In-game 12/6/17 7PM on: December 06, 2017, 10:02:49 pm
I don't disagree overall, but I still think he is the best coach we have had since Macarchuk. Not saying much, but why is it that we also have not gotten better coaches apply for the job either?

Fair Point and yes agree not counting DP in 1970 best coaches I have witnessed were Penders and Nick. It is just frustrating to see some of the secondary schools in this area are getting better talent even though we play in a better conference facilities aside.
19  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Harvard @ Fordham Pregame/In-game 12/6/17 7PM on: December 06, 2017, 09:48:18 pm
Pack his bags and we bring in whom exactly? Neubauer might not be the ultimate solution, but he is not the problem.
I assume the thought here is that whomever coaches here will never be able to recruit? Correct? If so I tend to agree somewhat but I still think we could do better than some of the recruits JN has brought in in the 3 years. Sorry but when you lose to the Sacred Hearts, Miami of Ohio and a team like Harvard tonight not to mention barely beating Maine then its a bunch of reasons including coaching.
20  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Harvard @ Fordham Pregame/In-game 12/6/17 7PM on: December 06, 2017, 09:41:17 pm
Can we please stop with this we have a good coach stuff? Based on what? Without Rhoomes, Neubauer is working on his third losing season.

Oh boy now you have done it. Any minute now the forum policeman will be sending you a nasty post telling you to get lost. I made a similar comment a few days ago questioning the coaching and recruiting and was told I should stop watching and stop posting and don't let the door hit me on the way out. Obviously it didn't stop me from doing either. In fact I will be attending my 3rd game this season on Saturday.
21  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Harvard @ Fordham Pregame/In-game 12/6/17 7PM on: December 06, 2017, 09:20:54 pm
One can only take so much. This defies reason. Pecora and Dw teams getting blown out made sense. They sucked and lost. This makes no sense.

Pecora could actually recruit a few players but couldn't coach a lick. Honestly still waiting for JN's star recruit.
22  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Harvard @ Fordham Pregame/In-game 12/6/17 7PM on: December 06, 2017, 09:17:55 pm
Don't like what I just saw. Don't like it from a coaching standpoint, don't like it from a player standpoint. We're just not good enough, top to bottom.

The A-10 may be down this year, but we're not playing the A-10 in these early games. Short of a miracle, this team will be destroyed in conference.

I think the quality of play has gone way down this year and its not all injury related. Sure we are missing 2 bigs but its the play of some of the ones we expected to step up that has killed us. Sorry Evans is a bust so far and I know JC hit a 3 towards the end but he has been a general disappointment except last game. As for Havsa and Pekarek they are what their numbers say they are.As for coaching at times he leaves you shaking your head but you would think by year 3 we could learn how to inbound the ball. He has yet to recruit anybody that really stands out and if the game coaching is being questioned then it begins to raise issues.
23  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Harvard @ Fordham Pregame/In-game 12/6/17 7PM on: December 06, 2017, 09:10:28 pm
Havsa has made Fordham a Turkey. Cut him. now.  You can not be that stupid..

He should try out for the Harlem Globetrotters.He can dribble all he wants with no sense of purpose.
24  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Harvard @ Fordham Pregame/In-game 12/6/17 7PM on: December 06, 2017, 09:05:14 pm
I give up

Earler today you were the eternal optimist. What happened? Seriously we all share the pain.
25  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: December 04, 2017, 08:02:51 pm
Who cares it wonít be good enough for him and others. They will complain about being from Lithuania or his high school. Bitch and moan that is all you get from some.

I was curious because in Rambacker's comments he said strong forward. That is why I was questioning weight in proportion to height. Again an innocent comment blown out of proportion by you.
26  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: December 04, 2017, 07:59:18 pm
Then donít watch donít post donít let the door hit you on the ass on the way out because this is what we are doing with Neubauer as our coach. Enough you donít like it cool but then take a hike.

Can you read? I said i rather watch a Rhoomes than a Slanina. I didn't say I would stop watching. So people on this Board post an opinion and you have to mouth off like a clown. hey this is a public forum. if you don't like others opinion then don't read them and stop posting and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out either.
27  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: December 04, 2017, 07:38:34 pm
Unless you guys change your thinking on who we are recruiting you are going to complain about every player.  We are not going to get the next Ryan Rhoomes.  We are looking for the next Slanina. 

Probably a true statement but if that is the case people need to stop complaining about attendance and quality of play. I rather watch a Rhoomes bang underneath every game as opposed to watching a soft big take jump shots from 20-25 feet out. 
28  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: Recruiting Update on: December 04, 2017, 07:33:15 pm
Donatas Kupsas is a strong 6' 8" stretch forward, listed as a power forward but is more of a combo forward, who can handle, shoot and rebound. Has some toughness. Perfect for our system.

Listed at 196 pounds. For a 6' 7" 6' 8" person that is very thin.
29  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: UMaine @ Fordham Pregame/In-Game 12/2/17 2PM on: December 03, 2017, 12:16:36 pm
When I watch major-conference basketball games on TV, there sure doesn't seem to be a lack of student interest at those schools. LOTS of college-age kids still love going to college basketball games. They just don't like going to THESE college basketball games.

+1. Its a different game due to the talent level. And the gap widens further every year.
30  The Fordham Forums / Fordham Men's Basketball / Re: UMaine @ Fordham Pregame/In-Game 12/2/17 2PM on: December 03, 2017, 12:12:51 pm
Another thing I remember reading from an interview with Ali Ton.  For a point guard (and with position less basketball, anyone), the particular stats aren't the issue.  You grade them by won-loss record.  Which I guess I often lose sight of. And is likely an overstatement but the ultimate goal is to win. Play well. But even if not, win.

Chartouny seemed like he decided not lose.  The best thing about yesterday aside from winning is Chartouny stepped up.  Maybe that gets him going. You want to start hitting jumpers? Start with some layups.

Again you have lost me. what does hitting layups have to do with hitting jump shots. totally different. Some guys are just not good shooters.
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