Actually I was being sarcastic when I said that I found it hard to believe that kind of thing goes on. I know firsthand that those kind of things do go on and it's in your own backyard. If there wasn't video evidence of the Rutgers incidents no one would have believed it.I think some of you may be missing Rambo's implied point, that similar incidents (and more) may have gone on at Fordham. For one, it was well documented that some weird stuff went on under Andruzzi and women's basketball. Also, from his/her posts, RamFanFam seems to think some of the same may have happened in softball. It probably goes on to some degree in most sports. It's a question as to where you draw the line. I think players need to know their own priorities and limits, and speak up to the coach (and/or higher) when those limits are surpassed. To have any potential impact though, it usually has to be more than one player speaking up. Obviously, it's easier for seniors and star players to take the lead in these cases, and, as well they should.