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 11 
 on: Today at 03:52:19 pm 
Started by HKRam - Last post by Ramer
Kilometers....I should have realized that when I posted, especially given the distance in miles from NY to Montreal. Thanks for the correction, DFW Hoya.

 12 
 on: Today at 03:31:24 pm 
Started by PeterMartin08 - Last post by NYRam07
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20379380/penn-state-nittany-lions-coach-james-franklin-gets-lucrative-new-six-year-deal

Penn State gives new deal to James Franklin worth $5.73M per season    Franklin's deal will total $34.3 million over its six years.

I hope Coach M  gets bump too.   Grin     man that's big money..       will Joe get offered a HC position   (Power 5) next year?  Maybe  ND ?      I guess could sit tight in Happy Valley  make ~1.5mm (a guess) for the next 6 years)   ..   Although I think that's not his goal.   

Guess this settles the Franklin debate... at least for now...

 13 
 on: Today at 02:55:45 pm 
Started by charlietags - Last post by vinnys
if you retire his number, you would have to have a mass number retiring ceremony    he was a good player but not at the number retiring level    a few dozen others would have to be included     obviously, not practical or desirable

retiring his alone would be an affront to others much more deserving

 14 
 on: Today at 02:01:08 pm 
Started by PeterMartin08 - Last post by Touchdown17
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/20379380/penn-state-nittany-lions-coach-james-franklin-gets-lucrative-new-six-year-deal

Penn State gives new deal to James Franklin worth $5.73M per season    Franklin's deal will total $34.3 million over its six years.

I hope Coach M  gets bump too.   Grin     man that's big money..       will Joe get offered a HC position   (Power 5) next year?  Maybe  ND ?      I guess could sit tight in Happy Valley  make ~1.5mm (a guess) for the next 6 years)   ..   Although I think that's not his goal.   

 15 
 on: Today at 01:54:25 pm 
Started by charlietags - Last post by DamnRam

This is a great and sensible idea. 

If you or someone would not mind crafting a letter explaining why it the court should not be named after Frank and Family that would be ideal.  We could all cut and paste the same or similar letter and make sure it gets sent to the parties you had listed.  Any articulate writers here , please step forward.  Thanks in advance.

To get things started:

1. I would start by praising Frank's accomplishments as a student athlete.  If you want this to be what should be honored then you need to really make the case for it.
2. I would add in his many years of loyal service.  The fact is he was a loyal company man, spent most of his career at Fordham, did what he thought was right for Fordham athletics, did so within a context where athletics were never really a priority due to other pressing problems the University had to attend to, etc.  He could have worked at some other school but he chose to work at his alma mater.  Truthfully, that is worth mentioning as a positive.
3. Then I would go into the concerns about how the RHG is a proxy for the plight of the basketball program which calls it home.  There are many who feel the PL decision essentially threw the hoops program under the bus.  Frank made that decision, lobbied for the PL move, and unfortunately the hoops program is where it is at least in part due to that move.  It would thus be inappropriate (or perhaps TOO appropriate) to name the floor after him as an honor, since it would irritate those who have long felt the facility holds back the program.
4. Regarding the naming rights, suggest that this be offered to a corporate or large donor.  That the current pass-the-hat approach is just a distraction from that and the overall future arena question.  Note that this point is not really about Frank.  It's about having something to offer to a big donor.  If you already "use up" the floor opportunity, and you're not prepared to build a new arena or rename the RHG, what else would be left?
5. Provide the proposed solution.  The proper way to honor Frank really would be to retire his number, honor him with a ceremony and dinner, etc.  His friends and Fordham could honor him without any entanglements.

 16 
 on: Today at 01:31:01 pm 
Started by charlietags - Last post by Chaka001

The best way to protest this is to simply not show up, and to write letters to the Administration, alumni office, and student newspaper, etc.  Spell out your specific facts and problems.  Win by the persuasiveness of your case as many have done here.



This is a great and sensible idea. 

If you or someone would not mind crafting a letter explaining why it the court should not be named after Frank and Family that would be ideal.  We could all cut and paste the same or similar letter and make sure it gets sent to the parties you had listed.  Any articulate writers here , please step forward.  Thanks in advance.



 17 
 on: Today at 01:18:27 pm 
Started by charlietags - Last post by DamnRam
I tend to agree that making a spectacle out of the ceremony would not go over well for our program and would cause more harm than good.

Frank didn't accomplish enough to come anywhere near warranting such an honor.  As a result, they took this silly family legacy angle to try and justify the naming of the floor. Signing off by asking us to help their "friend" Frank sounds like a gofundme page to save a puppy. It certainly doesnt sound like a national university competing in a major conference, trying to raise money for athletics.

Save face. Raise the money, retire Frank's jersey and have a big ceremony, give him his night.  Save the naming rights for a huge donor or corporate sponsor.

I think this is the right approach that if you actually want to honor Frank, retire the jersey and hold a big ceremony.

Your point about an actual protest "would cause more harm than good" is very important.  Imagine how Fr. McShane and the BoT would react if they heard about such intentionally embarrassing and hurtful behavior against a Fordham man and family that is just (ostensibly) trying to help.  I can definitely see them saying "Screw this, we seriously have a LOT more critical things to work on, and if a few zealots are going to act this way towards someone trying to be helpful then so be it.  We can't win with these people so we'll stop trying."  With that, athletics facilities would get deprioritized further.  I think basketball fans have a real quandary here.

As for whether it's right to be making these upgrades to the RHG, paid for by a big sponsor or Frank's crew and regardless of naming rights, I would say it would be okay if it was stated (rather than assumed) that it's just to make things bearable until the new arena comes on line say X years from now.  I'm not going to say what I think X should be as I don't want to turn this into a facilities thread more than it is, but I will say context is everything.  If Fordham could just commit to a long range plan for an Arena it would literally change the whole context of everything, including this topic.

 18 
 on: Today at 01:14:52 pm 
Started by charlietags - Last post by 85
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to do this nor do I think it is warranted. I'm suggesting it as a way for them to save face for such a misguided public proposal. 

 19 
 on: Today at 01:10:20 pm 
Started by charlietags - Last post by El Jefe
Save face. Raise the money, retire Frank's jersey and have a big ceremony, give him his night.  Save the naming rights for a huge donor or corporate sponsor.

I am not advocating for a ceremony because his record as AD speaks for itself.  I also strongly disagree on the jersey retirement.  I did not see Frank play, but I have noted on this board that McLaughlin's name is conspicuously absent from the record books in leaders for points, rebounds, assists, etc.  Only Conlon's jersey has been retired.  IMO, Charles, Yelverton, Robin and Dunston are all in line ahead of Frank. 

 20 
 on: Today at 12:45:38 pm 
Started by charlietags - Last post by RickFC77
I am sure Frank and his family are really upset at all the criticism.  Regardless of what people think, he has had a career that most Fordham fans would shed their daily keyboard rants for ... 

And what career is that?

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