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Question: Grade for the Coach Neubauer's first regular season
A  4.0 - 55 (69.6%)
B 3.0 - 22 (27.8%)
C 2.0 - 2 (2.5%)
F 0.0 - 0 (0%)
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« on: March 05, 2016, 05:37:12 pm »

Wow, what a great Regular Season!

Kudos to AD Roach for getting such an amazing Coach!

Highlights: Beating SJU and the final winning streak.
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2016, 05:50:31 pm »

He will get some votes for A-10 Coach of Year.
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2016, 05:58:55 pm »

He will get some votes for A-10 Coach of Year.

And he will deserve every vote he gets
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2016, 06:04:04 pm »

I'm guessing his phone will ring this off season.
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2016, 06:11:35 pm »

It started with that practice he ran when he took over and nobody expected him to run a practice.......that set the tone.....
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2016, 06:31:55 pm »

This record to me was at the high end of my expectations but what I like about Coach N, is that right from the start he set the tone that he expects to win, no more rebuilding years or 5 year plans and I believe that attitude filtered down to the players. I really feel good for the seniors as they will leave knowing that they went out as winners!
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2016, 02:14:38 pm »

He said he wanted to win right away for the seniors, and that's exactly what he did.

And the way he did it was impressive. He started with conditioning, put in his system, gave his players a chance to get used to it, then shortened his rotation toward the end to give the team the best chances to win. He has the Rams going into the A-10 tournament as hot as anyone. And he's reloading for next year with the type of long, athletic players he likes. The season had ups and downs, and he stayed relentlessly positive and focused. Impressive.
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2016, 10:18:25 am »

...and can you imagine...he's not from New York. They can play and coach outside of CYO?
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2016, 11:20:40 am »

I'm interested in hearing from those who gave him a B . . .
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2016, 11:29:51 am »

I'm interested in hearing from those who gave him a B . . .

When there is no in between, one has to pick one or the other and I do not feel it is an A, a.k.a. a 4.0 which is perfect or near it. We still got spanked by a a few A10 teams and we also gave away a few games that should have been wins. I grade on the work done, not the work done relative to the previous work done.
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2016, 11:36:17 am »

When there is no in between, one has to pick one or the other and I do not feel it is an A, a.k.a. a 4.0 which is perfect or near it. We still got spanked by a a few A10 teams and we also gave away a few games that should have been wins. I grade on the work done, not the work done relative to the previous work done.

Thanks. I give the grade in the context of the situation (previous history) so we differ there. 
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2016, 11:44:05 am »

Thanks. I give the grade in the context of the situation (previous history) so we differ there. 

I do factor context somewhat b/c truth be told, a 17-12 regular season would not be a B in a few years in my opinion. If I was offered more options, I would go B+ or even A-, but A just seemed slightly too high. The previous history was so ridiculously bad that I did not want to factor it in too much.  Very clear A based on past history.
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2016, 12:10:01 pm »

I concur with Ace.  I'd like to give an A- or B+, but an A seems too high.  I give him very high grades for most of his duties.  I feel he hasn't figured out how to use his most talented player, Jon Severe, and occasionally he re-invents basketball, i.e., he leaves key players in games when they have three fouls in the first half or he fails to call time-out occasionally when the situation seems to dictate that he should. But all of these are mere quibbles.  I'm incredibly happy with him and want to give him an A+ next year.
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2016, 12:16:33 pm »

he didn't call TO on Saturday when URI took a 12 pt lead nor did he call TO after URI tied the game late.  I like that fact that he's contrarian and doesn't always follow the "playbook".  I think it makes it more difficult for opponents to adjust.

As for Severe, Neubauer seems to have gotten most of the team to buy into what he wants to do.  Severe is the exception.  If this on the coach or the player?
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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2016, 12:25:10 pm »

The play book no longer automatically calls for a time out especially in late game situations.  More and more coaches are not calling timeouts to avoid their opposition setting up and to avoid their kids thinking too much. Neubauer specifically commented on late game timeouts: I don't call them that's why we practice.  We went from a coach who coached like it is 1990 to a guy who incorporates modern thinking including analytics. What made no sense then is part of the modern playbook. 
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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2016, 12:35:01 pm »

I would go the other way and give him an A+ if it was available. He took a team that was going no where, that the 1st choice for the HC job turned down, that arguably lost its best player, and that hadn't had 1 winning season since 06-07 and turned them into winners. I say arguably lost its best player because there may have been a better player on the team for the pervious 3 years. In one year, RR went from 6.4 PPG and 8.6 RPG to over 14 PPG and 9.4 RPG. Although a 5 never played a major role in JN's game concept, he not only recognized Ryan's talent but was able to help him develop it and play a major role through out the season. I won't go into the categories he leads or is in the top 5 in the A10 because it would take too long.

JN installed a multi-layered defensive strategy that raised havoc with some of our opponents in games we probably would have lost last year. As each week went by, we saw the team get better. Even when Thomas went down they continued to get better. Now the offense is even starting to show strength and depth. In the past 4 games we have seen 4 players score in double figures. Do we have to win the A10 Tournament to give him an A? This year will be the standard for next year but, IMO, he receives a strong A for this, his first, season.
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2016, 12:40:14 pm »

I would go the other way and give him an A+ if it was available. He took a team that was going no where, that the 1st choice for the HC job turned down, that arguably lost its best player, and that hadn't had 1 winning season since 06-07 and turned them into winners. I say arguably lost its best player because there may have been a better player on the team for the pervious 3 years. In one year, RR went from 6.4 PPG and 8.6 RPG to over 14 PPG and 9.4 RPG. Although a 5 never played a major role in JN's game concept, he not only recognized Ryan's talent but was able to help him develop it and play a major role through out the season. I won't go into the categories he leads or is in the top 5 in the A10 because it would take too long.

JN installed a multi-layered defensive strategy that raised havoc with some of our opponents in games we probably would have lost last year. As each week went by, we saw the team get better. Even when Thomas went down they continued to get better. Now the offense is even starting to show strength and depth. In the past 4 games we have seen 4 players score in double figures. Do we have to win the A10 Tournament to give him an A? This year will be the standard for next year but, IMO, he receives a strong A for this, his first, season.
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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2016, 12:49:48 pm »

...and can you imagine...he's not from New York. They can play and coach outside of CYO?

That, I think, was one of his strengths. He wasn't steeped in the local lore, didn't buy into the "Fordham doesn't belong in the A-10" crap, or "Fordham can't win" nonsense.  Nor do I think he buys into the "pecking order" assigned to teams in this town. He knows it exists, after a season of watching his winning program get little coverage while the local press fawned over the dumpster fire on Utopia Parkway. He hasn't said anything, but I'm guessing he doesn't like it, doesn't buy it, and is looking to change it.
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2016, 01:04:07 pm »

I would go the other way and give him an A+ if it was available. He took a team that was going no where, that the 1st choice for the HC job turned down, that arguably lost its best player, and that hadn't had 1 winning season since 06-07 and turned them into winners. I say arguably lost its best player because there may have been a better player on the team for the pervious 3 years. In one year, RR went from 6.4 PPG and 8.6 RPG to over 14 PPG and 9.4 RPG. Although a 5 never played a major role in JN's game concept, he not only recognized Ryan's talent but was able to help him develop it and play a major role through out the season. I won't go into the categories he leads or is in the top 5 in the A10 because it would take too long.

JN installed a multi-layered defensive strategy that raised havoc with some of our opponents in games we probably would have lost last year. As each week went by, we saw the team get better. Even when Thomas went down they continued to get better. Now the offense is even starting to show strength and depth. In the past 4 games we have seen 4 players score in double figures. Do we have to win the A10 Tournament to give him an A? This year will be the standard for next year but, IMO, he receives a strong A for this, his first, season.

You gave him the highest grade possible since this is on a 4.0 scale. I understand and respect your reasons, but you already gave him the highest grade possible. I don't think he is far from earning that top grade, but in my view A's should only be given in situations where nothing else could have been done better.
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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2016, 02:00:00 pm »

I concur with Ace.  I'd like to give an A- or B+, but an A seems too high.  I give him very high grades for most of his duties.  I feel he hasn't figured out how to use his most talented player, Jon Severe, and occasionally he re-invents basketball, i.e., he leaves key players in games when they have three fouls in the first half or he fails to call time-out occasionally when the situation seems to dictate that he should. But all of these are mere quibbles.  I'm incredibly happy with him and want to give him an A+ next year.

I give him an A for learning before most of us that Severe is a role player off the bench at best
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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2016, 02:59:44 pm »

When there is no in between, one has to pick one or the other and I do not feel it is an A, a.k.a. a 4.0 which is perfect or near it. We still got spanked by a a few A10 teams and we also gave away a few games that should have been wins. I grade on the work done, not the work done relative to the previous work done.

+1.  Throw in our poor inbounds play, which did not improve over the season, and calling out the fans.  A solid B+.
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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2016, 09:11:54 pm »

When there is no in between, one has to pick one or the other and I do not feel it is an A, a.k.a. a 4.0 which is perfect or near it. We still got spanked by a a few A10 teams and we also gave away a few games that should have been wins. I grade on the work done, not the work done relative to the previous work done.

I agree.  The losses to VCU and SJU (twice) were by big margins.  The wins against Manhattan and St. Johns were on our home court against teams that were depleted.  The schedule was dumbed down for a reason and, to their credit, the team came through with a W more often than not.

I give coach a B for the results and an A for the effort.  For those of you old enough to remember, it's like getting B's in most of your English, History, etc. courses and an A for Conduct.  Grin   One guy who deserves an A in my mind is Alan.   Wink   
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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2016, 09:21:13 pm »

Come on. Who gave a C? Really? I hope that wasn't a Fordham fan.
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2016, 09:02:53 am »

Come on. Who gave a C? Really? I hope that wasn't a Fordham fan.
There seems to be a wide discrepancy in what constitutes an A, B and C but I find it illogical to rate JN a C under any criteria.
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2016, 09:11:56 am »

I give the poster who started the poll an F, not enough options in the grades. 
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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2016, 11:22:16 am »

I gave him an A because to give him a B would not have felt right for me Huh? Now try and figure out that Grin
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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2016, 11:36:33 am »

Let's just use a PASS/FAIL system....PASS him and move on to other discussions
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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2016, 01:21:06 pm »

I give the poster who started the poll an F, not enough options in the grades. 

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And I just noticed that D was not an option either.
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« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2016, 06:35:47 pm »

Grading on a curve based on...

A10 Fordham coaches to date: A++++++++(my plus key broke right here)

Preseason expectations: A

Overall season: B

Coach Neubauer did what many of us hoped and believed he could, and even with that anticipation, I didn't think I'd feel as... good as I do about the season. When you consider the players we had, the results we got, and the recruits we landed in the interim (I would feel remiss to ignore those; like a class participation score), it's a roaring success. When you consider what he accomplished with the schedule we had, it was good. We gave away a few games, we got roundly thumped by some of the big boys in our conference, and we ended up 8th out of 14. We also finished on a hot streak going into the tournament and dodged the play-in game. That's a solid B in my book.
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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2016, 07:43:23 am »

Hard to give an overall without breaking the performance down into a few components. I realize that is not on offer in this poll, but in this political season, no one answers the question as posed anyway, so

Preparation of players A
Game strategy            A
in game substitutions  B but improved as the season went on
in game tactics           B again improving
Ability to adjust          A
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attitude                      A
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« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2016, 06:05:27 am »

A B but only because there's no b+. 

Solid across the board.  Exceeded reasonable expectations.  Won most of the games we should have.  Made us competitive against most teams.  Recruiting seems above expectations.  Handled Canty and Severe without public incident. Just couldn't go with an "a" because of A-10 record.
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« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2016, 10:34:49 am »

Also a B that is meant to be a B+. 
The fairly minimal "negatives" are are a patsy OOC, and getting outcoached ina couple of games, especially by Mooney, (hardly unusual). He has been good at making adjustments at halftime, but sometimes unable to make another midway through a second half, which is what happened yesterday, when they took Rhoomes out of the game.
That said, JN seems to be a real find and I look forward to improvements in each if the next few years.
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« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2016, 11:16:42 am »

Also a B that is meant to be a B+. 
The fairly minimal "negatives" are are a patsy OOC, and getting outcoached ina couple of games, especially by Mooney, (hardly unusual). He has been good at making adjustments at halftime, but sometimes unable to make another midway through a second half, which is what happened yesterday, when they took Rhoomes out of the game.
That said, JN seems to be a real find and I look forward to improvements in each if the next few years.

Not to get sidetracked, but are you saying that it is hardly unusual to see Mooney out-coach someone? I dare you to go say that on the A10 board or better yet the Richmond board. Wink
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« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2016, 12:08:52 pm »

The shoddy start to this thread set the tone for the subsequent posts.
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« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2016, 02:16:11 pm »

+1.  Throw in our poor inbounds play, which did not improve over the season, and calling out the fans.  A solid B+.

   I'll lower my grade a bit to a solid B/soft B+ after yesterday's game.  It's not good when our final game is one of our worst this season, especially since it came in the A10 tourney and after a solid streak.  We were clearly outcoached.  We pressured Jones all game, only to watch him repeatedly blow by our defender and initiate the 5 on 4 offense from the lane.  No adjustment there.  Our defenders often flew out at UR's shooters, often 2 at a time, while the UR shooter calmly waited for us to run/jump by and stepped through to initiate the 5 on 3/4 offense.  Our off-the-ball movement on offense has gotten stale from what it was in the early OOC.  I think only one time did we get in the lane and hit a cutter - I think AA/JC got into the lane and hit a cutting CS on the baseline, who missed the layup, but got fouled.  Of course, the best execution was Severe's drive and dish to Rhoomes, but he never saw the floor again.  As much as many of you dislike the Severe talk, there's no way he shouldn't have been out there as the 1st half was running out.  Instead, we stop UR with 30 seconds left and have AA run down the clock, only to turn it over trying to do who knows what with 5 seconds left.  UR inbounds the ball and Jones dribbles uncontested 3/4 of the court for a layup at the buzzer.  How much worse could Severe have been?  There was one sequence where the ball was passed among 4 players standing at the 3pt line from one wing to the other.  Not one of them even attempted a jab step to attract attention, resulting in a clanked contested 3.  The 4 UR defenders simply held their ground.  3-4 turnovers inbounding the ball is inexcusable.  We have no movement on the inbounds to work to get a man free.  This has been a season-long problem. 

   These are fixable issues, and there's definitely big improvement from the last few years.  I think Coach Neu will bring us a solid jump in success next season. 
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« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2016, 04:14:35 pm »

   I'll lower my grade a bit to a solid B/soft B+ after yesterday's game.  It's not good when our final game is one of our worst this season, especially since it came in the A10 tourney and after a solid streak.  We were clearly outcoached.  We pressured Jones all game, only to watch him repeatedly blow by our defender and initiate the 5 on 4 offense from the lane.  No adjustment there.  Our defenders often flew out at UR's shooters, often 2 at a time, while the UR shooter calmly waited for us to run/jump by and stepped through to initiate the 5 on 3/4 offense.  Our off-the-ball movement on offense has gotten stale from what it was in the early OOC.  I think only one time did we get in the lane and hit a cutter - I think AA/JC got into the lane and hit a cutting CS on the baseline, who missed the layup, but got fouled.  Of course, the best execution was Severe's drive and dish to Rhoomes, but he never saw the floor again.  As much as many of you dislike the Severe talk, there's no way he shouldn't have been out there as the 1st half was running out.  Instead, we stop UR with 30 seconds left and have AA run down the clock, only to turn it over trying to do who knows what with 5 seconds left.  UR inbounds the ball and Jones dribbles uncontested 3/4 of the court for a layup at the buzzer.  How much worse could Severe have been?  There was one sequence where the ball was passed among 4 players standing at the 3pt line from one wing to the other.  Not one of them even attempted a jab step to attract attention, resulting in a clanked contested 3.  The 4 UR defenders simply held their ground.  3-4 turnovers inbounding the ball is inexcusable.  We have no movement on the inbounds to work to get a man free.  This has been a season-long problem. 

   These are fixable issues, and there's definitely big improvement from the last few years.  I think Coach Neu will bring us a solid jump in success next season. 
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« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2016, 05:39:04 pm »

Not to get sidetracked, but are you saying that it is hardly unusual to see Mooney out-coach someone? I dare you to go say that on the A10 board or better yet the Richmond board. Wink

Yes, I am. And yes, I have heard of the grumblings down there.  Roll Eyes He's actually one of those coaches of whom the world was expected because he was good and young when hired then disappoints those who don't stop to think about the limitations he faces after he doesn't get his team to the Sweet 16. Doesn't mean he ain't good. I won't be surprised if Neu ends up in the same situation.  Wink
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« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2016, 08:22:09 pm »

I concur with Ace.  I'd like to give an A- or B+, but an A seems too high.  I give him very high grades for most of his duties.  I feel he hasn't figured out how to use his most talented player, Jon Severe, and occasionally he re-invents basketball, i.e., he leaves key players in games when they have three fouls in the first half or he fails to call time-out occasionally when the situation seems to dictate that he should. But all of these are mere quibbles.  I'm incredibly happy with him and want to give him an A+ next year.

Amen and agree with Ace too
B+ Is my grade

Great start to the Neu era and excited for next year.  Will be even more so if he can nail down another stud with the final roster spot.  Although there was significant improvement, we are still far from the horses that VCU has as I am watching them obliviate UMass.
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« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2016, 07:53:31 pm »

I would have gone with a B+ if it had been available.  I am a strong opponent of grade inflation so I went with a B.  A+ for effort and inspiration.

There were some losses that were very frustrating.  That said, it does seem that he and the team used them to improve themselves for a strong end to the season.  A year ago if you told me Fordham would go 8-10 in the conference with a new coach I'd say you were nuts.  This has been a rebuilding year, but a far cry from the type we've seen over the past two decades.  Rhoomes graduating will mean a big hole needs to be filled.  After this season I have confidence Neubauer will find the right mix.

The expectations bar for next year has been raised by this year's efforts.  And that is an unqualified good thing.
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« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2016, 06:14:05 pm »

I went with A     8 conference wins was the clincher for me, especially with 5 Ws in the last 6    had we held on in close losses to Bonnies and Richmond, would have been a very sound 10 - 8  ( I know we did not, but were close )   
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« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2016, 11:34:57 am »

Grade is for Regular Season, not Post Season.

Let's just agree to incorporate the post-season into this grade.  After yesterday's game, in which we were outplayed and outcoached in every facet of the game, a separate post-season grade would be ugly.
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« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2016, 05:14:05 pm »

Let's just agree to incorporate the post-season into this grade.  After yesterday's game, in which we were outplayed and outcoached in every facet of the game, a separate post-season grade would be ugly.

Yes, but at least it would be a post season grade...an unusual achievement for us.
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« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2016, 03:33:40 pm »

I went to both A10 and CIT, post season was poor.

I think AD Roach deserves a good grade, MBB and FB coach picks are widely regarded. Only in Volleyball are we in the lower quartile for rankings. Post season for both MBB and FB
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