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« on: February 23, 2017, 05:01:57 pm »

Here is the latest "Ask the AD" video piece with insights on marketing, the upcoming capital projects including the timetable, sponsorship and more:


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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2017, 05:36:23 pm »

highlights

- Julio Jr.is now gone.  Sorry but that is a good thing as I saw little to no improvement from Sports Marketing:

- efforts to improve attendance seems non-existent and I although I agree with Roach's comment about the hoops teams that these kids deserve better attendance, the questions remain... WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, HOW CAN YOU GET IT DONE.
I know students are different nowadays, but if you make it fun, they will come and being the team is at least decent now, the prodcut is pretty good and the future looks encouraging.

- answer to capital improvements sounds weak.

- mentions development, but now specifics to any athletic drives.  It may help if you have a dedicated person or office to drive this as most schools have this is place.  At Fordham we have Frank who wants to name the court after himself.  if you give no effort, you get no reward.

- Fordham needs to hire a real Sports marketing specialist and a real Sports Development person to drive the deprtment.

Learfield Sports does a nice job and I hope it brings us some coin, but not sure I would ever sign a 12 year deal.  That is putting your eggs in one basket for quite some time.  Why not have a 4-5 year deal with 1-2 renewable options.

Roach is OK, but really does not move the needle enough and with his ousting at Colgate in challenging their new President, he will never ruffle McShane's feathers.   

I don't think anything will change until McShane is gone.  Does anyone know when is McShane retiring/moving on?
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2017, 06:37:46 pm »

He mentioned the football offices as a capital project.  I didn't hear him mention the McLoughlin Family Basketball Court by name.  I'd figure he would take the time to plug it...
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2017, 10:53:41 pm »

AOC, he did mention the football offices but it seemed so lame, that I did not even mention it.
Sorry but not  a fan of Frank having his name on the court.
Sady I am not sure if there is anyone that the court is worthy of being named after.
I'd be ok if they added a sponsor for some loot the team can allocate for free bubblegum for all players in pregame warmups
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2017, 08:37:41 am »

I'd disagree in the characterization of his outline of the football enhancements as "lame"   ....

Here's how they were addressed in 2-3 minutes
The football topic was introduced by Mike Watt as facilities news, something that will help "make Andrew Breiners program a little more of a gem"
-Roach said he wouldn't characterize them as "MAJOR MAJOR" .... and he mentioned the football project as $2.5M
-He said they would be coaches offices and a big team meeting room that can be divided up, in the  space that was the old fitness center in the Lombardi Center
re RHG
-this summer, new seating in the lower section of the gym
-next summer, a new floor
-he did not mention the hospitality suite.... (oversight or change in plans?)
He ended by seeking donations

2 plus minutes in a 13 minute interview.  Seemed appropriate to me regarding the amount of details on the two projects.

Re Learfield 12 year deal...... He doesn't need to mention out clauses, look back or performance provisions to convince me that they are in there.  I'd make a bet that we are not forced to overpay or be dissatisfied for 12 years.
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2017, 08:56:18 am »

I'd disagree in the characterization of his outline of the football enhancements as "lame"   ....

Here's how they were addressed in 2-3 minutes
The football topic was introduced by Mike Watt as facilities news, something that will help "make Andrew Breiners program a little more of a gem"
-Roach said he wouldn't characterize them as "MAJOR MAJOR" .... and he mentioned the football project as $2.5M
-He said they would be coaches offices and a big team meeting room that can be divided up, in the  space that was the old fitness center in the Lombardi Center
re RHG
-this summer, new seating in the lower section of the gym
-next summer, a new floor
-he did not mention the hospitality suite.... (oversight or change in plans?)
He ended by seeking donations

2 plus minutes in a 13 minute interview.  Seemed appropriate to me regarding the amount of details on the two projects.

Re Learfield 12 year deal...... He doesn't need to mention out clauses, look back or performance provisions to convince me that they are in there.  I'd make a bet that we are not forced to overpay or be dissatisfied for 12 years.

It is lame in the scope of what is needed and deserved.  This project is the definition of lame.  Football has been a successful program now for the better part of 15 years.  I always thought with success came reward.  Some new offices in an out of the way location is hardly a reward for what has become Fordham's premier athletic program.

Monmouth is building a new stadium for $15mil.  I can't believe Fordham can't pull together the funding for something similar.  It's not everything that it is needed but it would be a start.

http://www.monmouthhawks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209388178

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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2017, 09:02:24 am »

You don't spend money on fcs pl football when your student center is a disgrace and your truly national sport basketball plays in antiquated facilities.  Monmouth, a member of the MAAC, addressed its basketball and student facilities already. Now they deal with FCS football. 
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2017, 09:09:31 am »

You don't spend money on fcs pl football when your student center is a disgrace and your truly national sport basketball plays in antiquated facilities.  Monmouth, a member of the MAAC, addressed its basketball and student facilities already. Now they deal with FCS football. 
I'm a huge football supporter and I agree with this.  Football is not our marquee sport.  To Scott's point, these improvements will help and, while they're not game changing by any means, they will improve some issues. 
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2017, 09:16:55 am »

You don't spend money on fcs pl football when your student center is a disgrace and your truly national sport basketball plays in antiquated facilities.  Monmouth, a member of the MAAC, addressed its basketball and student facilities already. Now they deal with FCS football. 

Agree the student center is a disgrace.  Basketball is not a "truly national sport" and a real fix would cost in excess of $100 mil.  On good year basketball is a mediocre program in a middle of the pack conference.  None of those can be easily fixed.  The needs of football can be addressed at a reasonable cost.  If they want to start somewhere, a football stadium is as good a place as any.  Instead of an endless series of band-aids, why not do something that makes a real difference?
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2017, 09:25:49 am »

Agree the student center is a disgrace.  Basketball is not a "truly national sport" and a real fix would cost in excess of $100 mil.  On good year basketball is a mediocre program in a middle of the pack conference.  None of those can be easily fixed.  The needs of football can be addressed at a reasonable cost.  If they want to start somewhere, a football stadium is as good a place as any.  Instead of an endless series of band-aids, why not do something that makes a real difference?

Once you commit to a new student center it makes sense to replace the RHG at the same time. Again you don't spend 15 million on FCS pl football and hinder (financially and space wise) your ability to fix the student center and in the process provide our only national sport with facilities commensurate with the level of play.  You are tying your hands doing it this way.  Sequencing matters it dictates what can be done in the future. 
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2017, 09:36:24 am »

It is lame in the scope of what is needed and deserved.  This project is the definition of lame.  Football has been a successful program now for the better part of 15 years.  I always thought with success came reward.  Some new offices in an out of the way location is hardly a reward for what has become Fordham's premier athletic program.

Monmouth is building a new stadium for $15mil.  I can't believe Fordham can't pull together the funding for something similar.  It's not everything that it is needed but it would be a start.

http://www.monmouthhawks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209388178



To be clear, I was addressing Roach's description in that interview, not the value or size of the initiatives.

Roach is working with what he has ...... first and foremost, that's a executive leadership who have zero interest in investing in what it takes to compete in the A10 and the top 20 of FCS football.

The two modest initiative can fairly be called 'lame,' but if Roach didn't get these offices, space, seats and floor, we'd be in even more of a disadvantage.  Sad, but true.

Roach= A professional, doing the best with what he has
The 2 initiatives= 'lame' when compared to what we need in facilities, but apparently the best we can get given executive priorities

As fans, we have the freedom to stamp our feet, and hold our breadth, and call out the past sins and current ones.  But Roach doesn't, he's got a job to do, and it includes putting a lipstick on a pig occasionally to get the football team needed space, and a few simple maintenance items like seats with backs. 

Let's stay off his back....  I bet he wants what we want.
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2017, 09:40:43 am »

Once you commit to a new student center it makes sense to replace the RHG at the same time. Again you don't spend 15 million on FCS pl football and hinder (financially and space wise) your ability to fix the student center and in the process provide our only national sport with facilities commensurate with the level of play.  You are tying your hands doing it this way.  Sequencing matters it dictates what can be done in the future. 

That is a hundred$ of million$ of dollar$ project that may or may not happen in our lifetime.  Building a stadium with a track would give Fordham a good facility for football soccer and track and would have an immediate impact at a reasonable cost.  Seeing a nice looking stadium driving on to campus would show we have a pulse.  There is plenty of land available for a student center and arena by building out by the tennis courts and Murphy Field and an entire empty parking lot.  We can wait forever for what might happen.  This is a do-able project at a reasonable cost.

I can't imagine how basketball can be called our "national sport".  We have been a bottom feeder for decades.  Basketball has zero national identity except to be on every school's OOC wish list.
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2017, 09:47:36 am »

That is a hundreds of millions of dollar project that may or may not happen in our lifetime.  Building a stadium with a track would give Fordham a good facility for football soccer and track and would have an immediate impact at a reasonable cost.  Seeing a nice looking stadium driving on to campus would show we have a pulse.  There is plenty of land available for a student center and arena by building out by the tennis courts and Murphy Field and an entire empty parking lot.  We can wait forever for what might happen.  This is a do-able project at a reasonable cost.

It is a waste of money, a band aid if you will to avoid the real issue which as you point out will require real commitment.  Just because you can do something does not mean you should.  Very few people are going to support a  football stadium, it is not a priority.  Student center will get wide spread support, bigger project with actual appeal to the student body.  This is also moot as I am hearing more and more that the weight room was scrapped because a condition was that only football would use it.  Fordham rightly laughed knowing it would not go over well.  Your idea is a nonstarter.

You mistake success with visibility.  Reality FCS pl football has limited appeal and potential.  It is fun for a few select weeks but few people care if we win or lose we are there to tailgate.  We've been successful the last few years yet there is only the occasional article or tv appearance. A-10 basketball has national exposure so you put money into it.  It is not rocket science. 
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2017, 09:47:42 am »

To be clear, I was addressing Roach's description in that interview, not the value or size of the initiatives.

Roach is working with what he has ...... first and foremost, that's a executive leadership who have zero interest in investing in what it takes to compete in the A10 and the top 20 of FCS football.

The two modest initiative can fairly be called 'lame,' but if Roach didn't get these offices, space, seats and floor, we'd be in even more of a disadvantage.  Sad, but true.

Roach= A professional, doing the best with what he has
The 2 initiatives= 'lame' when compared to what we need in facilities, but apparently the best we can get given executive priorities

As fans, we have the freedom to stamp our feet, and hold our breadth, and call out the past sins and current ones.  But Roach doesn't, he's got a job to do, and it includes putting a lipstick on a pig occasionally to get the football team needed space, and a few simple maintenance items like seats with backs. 

Let's stay off his back....  I bet he wants what we want.

I understand everything Roach is up against and I'm not bashing him at all.  I understand the need for these projects but I also see that supporting them just continues the status quo.  Did you see the rendering of the basketball VIP box?  Come on, it's 25 feet over the court. What kind of box is that?   That's ridiculous.  And Frank's name on the court is beyond ridiculous.  (Note he didn't use the name of the new court...).
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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2017, 09:51:45 am »

It is a waste of money, a band aid if you will to avoid the real issue which as you point out will require real commitment.  Just because you can do something does not mean you should.  Very few people are going to support a  football stadium, it is not a priority.  Student center will get wide spread support, bigger project with actual appeal to the student body.  This is also moot as I am hearing more and more that the weight room was scrapped because a condition was that only football would use it.  Fordham rightly laughed knowing it would not go over well.  Your idea is a nonstarter.

Not a band aid if it significantly improves 3 sports.   If you sold the football stadium as a strategic priority you could get the money for it.  Agreed the Student Center would get support.  I have no confidence Fordham will sin $100 mil+ into a viable arena project.  A stadium is realistic, do-able project that could se the stage for athletic investment.
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Not a band aid if it significantly improves 3 sports.   If you sold the football stadium as a strategic priority you could get the money for it.  Agreed the Student Center would get support.  I have no confidence Fordham will sin $100 mil+ into a viable arena project.  A stadium is realistic, do-able project that could se the stage for athletic investment.

You are not selling PL football as a strategic priority.   Cheesy
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2017, 09:54:28 am »

I understand everything Roach is up against and I'm not bashing him at all.  I understand the need for these projects but I also see that supporting them just continues the status quo.  Did you see the rendering of the basketball VIP box?  Come on, it's 25 feet over the court. What kind of box is that?   That's ridiculous.  And Frank's name on the court is beyond ridiculous.  (Note he didn't use the name of the new court...).

Just so we are clear I agree with every word in this post.
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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2017, 09:58:47 am »

You are not selling PL football as a strategic priority.   Cheesy

No, I'm selling an immediate/significant upgrade to 5 sports as part of an overall upgrade for athletics as a strategic priority.  $15 mil can realistically be done.   $100 mil is much further down the road.
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No, I'm selling an immediate/significant upgrade to 5 sports as part of an overall upgrade for athletics as a strategic priority.  $15 mil can realistically be done.   $100 mil is much further down the road.

The only thing people will see is football spending g when the student center is a disaster.  Also when did you get your engineering and planning degrees that you know this will only cost 15 million?  Last I looked we are not Monmouth.  Might need some actual plans before declaring it is "only" 15 million.  There is no way McShane is doing this and he is right none of the sports on your list  moves the needle. 
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....... Last I looked we are not Monmouth....... 


This is the point. When it comes to sports and investment..... we're not anyone.

Every time other institutions invest in arena. training facilities, stadiums, .... even student centers.... we always hear the same thing....
We're not Duquesne, we're not Monmouth, we're not Gonzaga, we're not Xavier, we're not Tulane, we're not Holy Cross, we're not Marquette, we're not Villanova.

Obviously, because those schools, and EVERY single university, in the country has built these things during the years we said it can't be done here.  The negativism, the living with scarcity, the fear of future, the lack of confidence in our stakeholders is oppressive at Fordham.

As ever, a salute to those at Fordham who endeavor through the challenges.

And a middle finger salute to those in 'leadership' who can't plan through wet paper, to keep all of the cylinders working. 
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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2017, 10:16:05 am »

The only thing people will see is football spending g when the student center is a disaster.  Also when did you get your engineering and planning degrees that you know this will only cost 15 million?  Last I looked we are not Monmouth.  Might need some actual plans before declaring it is "only" 15 million.  There is no way McShane is doing this and he is right none of the sports on your list  moves the needle. 

Do you always have to be such a dick?

I don't have those degrees as you must know.  I was using the cost of Monmouth's plan as a realistic comparison.

People see the student center as a disaster now.  The applications keep rolling in.  Who needs a student center when there is a concert or museum opening in manhattan every night they can avail the themselves of.
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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2017, 10:27:12 am »

Do you always have to be such a dick?

I don't have those degrees as you must know.  I was using the cost of Monmouth's plan as a realistic comparison.

People see the student center as a disaster now.  The applications keep rolling in.  Who needs a student center when there is a concert or museum opening in manhattan every night they can avail the themselves of.

Sorry to burst your bubble by decimating the foundation of your idea, I understand how it could lead you to lash out. You said you don't see any reason this cannot be done and the whole basis of your idea is the low cost of this project but you have no idea how much it will cost.  How is Monmouth a realistic estimate?  Very few are supporting an FCS PL stadium and that is what this is.  Last I looked student centers are about every day needs of the students who live on campus not concerts.  You could redo the student center without touching the RHG, it would not make sense to me but it could be done I couldn't argue with Fordham doing that.  I've allways recognized that I want a new arena but Fordham's priorities are easily defensible.  Again this is not happening I heard a story where McShane asked a few years ago how much it would cost to make serious renovations to RHG he was told 25 million he said no way.  The same reaction will be given for a football stadium remember they would not agree to a weight facility  for football and McShane would be right.
We don't need a stadium for FCS football we need a student center for the people paying 70k a year.
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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2017, 10:46:31 am »

Sorry to burst your bubble by decimating the foundation of your idea, I understand how it could lead you to lash out. You said you don't see any reason this cannot be done and the whole basis of your idea is the low cost of this project but you have no idea how much it will cost.  How is Monmouth a realistic estimate?  Very few are supporting an FCS PL stadium and that is what this is.  Last I looked student centers are about every day needs of the students who live on campus not concerts.  You could redo the student center without touching the RHG, it would not make sense to me but it could be done I couldn't argue with Fordham doing that.  I've allways recognized that I want a new arena but Fordham's priorities are easily defensible.  Again this is not happening I heard a story where McShane asked a few years ago how much it would cost to make serious renovations to RHG he was told 25 million he said no way.  The same reaction will be given for a football stadium remember they would not agree to a weight facility  for football and McShane would be right.
We don't need a stadium for FCS football we need a student center for the people paying 70k a year.

This fight among student center,,, arena,,, stadium .... training facilities  .................is like being on the island from Lord of the Flies.

Years go by .... and there's no arena, or student center.

The priority needs to be what te kids graduating in 2020, and beyond, will want.  Because that generation gets what they want.   When it comes to the choices above .... that 2020 says "yes" to all of it.   And the more we say "no" to any, or all of it, the more we lose to the institutions figuring out a way to say 'yes" to most, or all of those priorities.   

Fordham needs to prove to me that it can get at least one of them planned and built.

For what it's worth .... I think a world class Student Center needs to be first.  Then we start to chip away at catching up with the rest of the 1990's!

Peace, planning and building!
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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2017, 10:49:24 am »

No, I'm selling an immediate/significant upgrade to 5 sports as part of an overall upgrade for athletics as a strategic priority.  $15 mil can realistically be done.   $100 mil is much further down the road.

What 5 sports? I do not see it helping soccer as you claim. Having a track around a soccer field is worse than what we have now. I doubt any recruit cares that the soccer field is in a one-sided stadium. That stadium seats more than most soccer facilities. As to the upgrade to track, that barely moves the needle. What other sports are helped by this move? Don't forget to take 1 away from your total since it would displace baseball.
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What 5 sports? I do not see it helping soccer as you claim. Having a track around a soccer field is worse than what we have now. I doubt any recruit cares that the soccer field is in a one-sided stadium. That stadium seats more than most soccer facilities. As to the upgrade to track, that barely moves the needle. What other sports are helped by this move? Don't forget to take 1 away from your total since it would displace baseball.

You don't see a new facility as helping soccer?  I don't know much about the sport but I never heard of a sport where a nice new home field doesn't help. I do know they call it "pitch"...  Women's sports count these days.  Women's soccer and track get a new home as well.

What we have now is nothing for track.  A facility on campus has help the sport.  I didn't say its ideal.  I'd move baseball off campus.  Too much real estate for one sport.  Five for one trade.  It's not a perfect world.

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« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2017, 11:07:25 am »

Sorry to burst your bubble by decimating the foundation of your idea, I understand how it could lead you to lash out. You said you don't see any reason this cannot be done and the whole basis of your idea is the low cost of this project but you have no idea how much it will cost.  How is Monmouth a realistic estimate?  Very few are supporting an FCS PL stadium and that is what this is.  Last I looked student centers are about every day needs of the students who live on campus not concerts.  You could redo the student center without touching the RHG, it would not make sense to me but it could be done I couldn't argue with Fordham doing that.  I've allways recognized that I want a new arena but Fordham's priorities are easily defensible.  Again this is not happening I heard a story where McShane asked a few years ago how much it would cost to make serious renovations to RHG he was told 25 million he said no way.  The same reaction will be given for a football stadium remember they would not agree to a weight facility  for football and McShane would be right.
We don't need a stadium for FCS football we need a student center for the people paying 70k a year.

Not lashing out.  Stay on topic.  Stop with the extraneous b.s. when you don't like the argument.

I think a similar facility at a college 75 miles away offers a realistic comparison.  I know a great deal about the stadiums at Stony Brook and UAlbany.  Again by comparison I think it is in the ballpark to get things rolling.

It doesn't make sense to me to "re-do" anything unless there is something worth saving.  I'm not sure there is, especially it the student center.  But I'm not an engineer as you pointed out.
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« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2017, 11:15:20 am »

Stop whining when your your can't miss idea is exposed as folly. 

1. It is questionable this can be done for "only" 15 million. Sorry if your expertise do not sway me.  Monmouth's project may have no resemblance to Fordham.  Maybe their existing infrastructure and property make it cheaper. You have 0 idea how much this would cost. It takes actual investigation to estimate cost.
2. Assuming it would only cost 15 million, it is likely the project will not be supported by the Fordham community given our other needs
3. Even more likely and almost assuredly McShane will not be on board and nor should he be.  See 2 above.

So to recap we don't know how much it will cost, doubtful Fordham community will support it and the guy who makes the call will not support it.  Other than that this is a sure bet winner.   Afro
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« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2017, 11:20:03 am »

You don't see a new facility as helping soccer?  I don't know much about the sport but I never heard of a sport where a nice new home field doesn't help. I do know they call it "pitch"...  Women's sports count these days.  Women's soccer and track get a new home as well.

What we have now is nothing for track.  A facility on campus has help the sport.  I didn't say its ideal.  I'd move baseball off campus.  Too much real estate for one sport.  Five for one trade.  It's not a perfect world.

Soccer plays on Coffey now. I do not see how these changes would move the needle for a sport like soccer.  Fitting a soccer field inside a track is actually not ideal, so I actually think it could hurt both of those sports, so your trade is really 3 for 3.
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« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2017, 11:24:05 am »

I think bringing in other sports is ridiculous because the community will see it as a football stadium period.  The other sports do not have enough interest that they will factor into support.  Either you will support a football stadium or you won't.  No one is going to say oh it helps sport x also I am in. 
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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2017, 11:28:25 am »

I think bringing in other sports is ridiculous because the community will see it as a football stadium period.  The other sports do not have enough interest that they will factor into support.  Either you will support a football stadium or you won't.  No one is going to say oh it helps sport x also I am in. 

I don't know about nobody, but I hear your point. There are definitely some wealthy soccer alums that would donate if they thought it was worthwhile. I neither think it is worthwhile or am wealthy, so I am not referring to myself.

Different sport, but Houlihan for baseball is a good example of how other sports do have alums who are willing to pony up some cash for the right project.

The more important point here is that it would not help those other sports as AOC thinks it would.
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