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« on: May 25, 2017, 01:36:20 pm »

Looking over the football schedules for the next three years, I am really pleased with the OOC games. In particular, we seem to have made Bryant and Stony Brook both regular home-and-away series, and Yale our one Ivy League game. In past years I have posted my desire to see both Yale and Stony Brook added to our schedule, and now that has happened. I, for one, will not miss having Columbia on our schedule. I think Yale and Stony Brook will develop into really exciting natural rivalries. Having Eastern Washington visit Coffey Field this year was a major coup for Coach Breiner and Dave Roach. They come to The Bronx one week after hosting five time FCS Champion North Dakota State. The Eagles lost at NDSU 50-44 in overtime last year. This game will be a real test for our Rams.
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2017, 05:24:09 pm »

Looking over the football schedules for the next three years, I am really pleased with the OOC games. In particular, we seem to have made Bryant and Stony Brook both regular home-and-away series, and Yale our one Ivy League game. In past years I have posted my desire to see both Yale and Stony Brook added to our schedule, and now that has happened. I, for one, will not miss having Columbia on our schedule. I think Yale and Stony Brook will develop into really exciting natural rivalries. Having Eastern Washington visit Coffey Field this year was a major coup for Coach Breiner and Dave Roach. They come to The Bronx one week after hosting five time FCS Champion North Dakota State. The Eagles lost at NDSU 50-44 in overtime last year. This game will be a real test for our Rams.

I agree 100%

btw: the workhorse on the last few years of scheduling was Greg Marmaros.   Most people don't understand how many good match-ups have turned us down because we are too risky as an opponent.  Many Colonial, Pioneer, NEC and FBS schools have downed us down.

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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2017, 06:57:32 pm »

Greg was a complete professional at all times and was friendly and helpful whenever I met with him. He will definitely be missed. I suspect that 71 is thrilled that he is moving to the Patriots.  Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2017, 07:33:50 am »

Greg was a complete professional at all times and was friendly and helpful whenever I met with him. He will definitely be missed. I suspect that 71 is thrilled that he is moving to the Patriots.  Cheesy

You bet! He is a classy guy who is getting a great career opportunity. He might get in on #6 . . .
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2017, 09:24:30 am »

Looking over the football schedules for the next three years, I am really pleased with the OOC games. In particular, we seem to have made Bryant and Stony Brook both regular home-and-away series, and Yale our one Ivy League game. In past years I have posted my desire to see both Yale and Stony Brook added to our schedule, and now that has happened. I, for one, will not miss having Columbia on our schedule. I think Yale and Stony Brook will develop into really exciting natural rivalries. Having Eastern Washington visit Coffey Field this year was a major coup for Coach Breiner and Dave Roach. They come to The Bronx one week after hosting five time FCS Champion North Dakota State. The Eagles lost at NDSU 50-44 in overtime last year. This game will be a real test for our Rams.

I'm torn on the columbia thing. As a player those games were an absolute blast. The liberty cup was a pretty cool tradition and the custom uni's were also a nice touch.

If only Columbia had fielded some sort of competitive team... if the men in powder blue had a team similar to a Harvard/Penn/Princeton then I feel like the game would still happen.

The EWU game is going to be REALLY interesting. Hopefully we capture some of the magic of that Nova home win a few years back....
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2017, 09:53:59 am »

Looking over the football schedules for the next three years, I am really pleased with the OOC games. In particular, we seem to have made Bryant and Stony Brook both regular home-and-away series, and Yale our one Ivy League game. In past years I have posted my desire to see both Yale and Stony Brook added to our schedule, and now that has happened. I, for one, will not miss having Columbia on our schedule. I think Yale and Stony Brook will develop into really exciting natural rivalries. Having Eastern Washington visit Coffey Field this year was a major coup for Coach Breiner and Dave Roach. They come to The Bronx one week after hosting five time FCS Champion North Dakota State. The Eagles lost at NDSU 50-44 in overtime last year. This game will be a real test for our Rams.

Agree on all counts.  I think the schedule is great for where the program is.   I'm hoping Stony Brook becomes a regular on the schedule.  Maybe re-instate the Liberty Cup with them?   If we're going to play an Ivy, we can't go wrong with Yale most years.  Coach Breiner and Dave Roach have done a first rate job on the scheduling, IMO. 

Any word on the status of the football office project?  Is this being done over the summer?
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2017, 10:15:28 am »

Just to refresh my recollection, what OOC teams have we scheduled beyond 2019? Anyone?
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2017, 11:07:34 am »

If we could steal a win over EWU that would really be a season changing type victory
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2017, 12:01:53 pm »

I believe we have Hawaii in 2020

Scheduling is a strategy that requires considerable research to be executed well.  In terms of strength of schedule you need a strong balance. 
IMO, if we schedule a FBS team, we should also counter with a cupcake.
I know some may argue that we beat Army and Temple, but lets face it Army is weak for FBS and Temple was a year away from making a considerable jump and has done very well since we beat them (still a great and fun win though).

From what I have seen wins tend to trump strength of schedule, so I would be very careful about making a schedule too challenging.  If you start out the year ranked and win most of your games there is a decent chance for an at large bid if we are unsuccessful at winning the PL.   I do believe the PL will get better and will may become a 2 team FCS playoff team league soon as the added scholarships should help. 

EWU: If we get throttled in this game, lose to Army (even in a close game) and do not win the PL, I highly doubt there will be no playoff bid.  I am curious to see how well this game is attended.  I am not sure how EWU looks coming in their year but I would imagine they will be solid. I would like to think this game should be competitive.

Playing Stonybrook is a good idea.

Columbia should be getting better and even if they didn't to be are the best cupcake team to schedule.

Richmond: is a tough challenge

Charlotte & Ball State: I would be curious to know how much they are paying us.



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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2017, 05:33:54 pm »

Mostly agree but not on Bryant.  Even when it comes to cupcakes we should be playing schools that most college fans have heard of.  Brown and URI are just as beatable as Bryant, and on top of that, people outside of Rhode Island have heard of them. 
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2017, 01:37:15 pm »

We play Florida International down there in 2021.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2017, 07:34:03 pm »

Mostly agree but not on Bryant.  Even when it comes to cupcakes we should be playing schools that most college fans have heard of.  Brown and URI are just as beatable as Bryant, and on top of that, people outside of Rhode Island have heard of them.

Perhaps URI and Brown were not available. Brown does not appear to be scheduling Patriot League teams any longer.
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2017, 07:56:33 pm »

Perhaps URI and Brown were not available. Brown does not appear to be scheduling Patriot League teams any longer.

Agreed!

The comment about Bryant seems beyond nitpicky to me. Not everyone on the schedule can be a name and URI is not very good anyway.
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2017, 08:46:20 pm »

I would prefer to see them schedule more reams in states where they could showcase the school to potential recruits - like Texas, California, Florida, Louisiana. There are plenty of D-I and D-IAA of beatable schools in those markets that folks have heard of.
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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2017, 09:00:46 am »

We play Florida International down there in 2021.

First I heard that.  It's a solid game for our purposes. Nice work!
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« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2017, 09:04:50 am »

I would prefer to see them schedule more reams in states where they could showcase the school to potential recruits - like Texas, California, Florida, Louisiana. There are plenty of D-I and D-IAA of beatable schools in those markets that folks have heard of.

We're in a one bid conference. If the goal is to be in a playoff run every year, schedule has to be tightly balanced.  Roach is doing a very good job understanding this, imo.
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« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2017, 12:26:34 pm »


https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

Simply looking below us in the Sagarin rankings offers a host of fun match-ups..... my favorites include
Duquesne, Rice, UTEP, William & Mary, Eastern Illinois, Buffalo, Dayton, Texas State, Fresno State, Houston Baptist, Drake, Incarnate Word (San Antonio -Southland Conf), Stetson, Stephen F. Austin, Butler, Jacksonville (FL), U of San Diego, Lamar  ...... I love the Pioneer League, NEC and the Southland Conference for matchups and recruiting areas (Houston, DFW, FL, ILL, PA


For the record... last year's 8-3 Rams were ranked higher than 6 FBS programs.

BTW... our 17 commits and 18 offers are very national...plenty of GA, FL, Ill, OH, TX players.


161  Fordham              AA =  48.90    8   3   39.41( 210)    0   0  |    0   0  |   45.37  178 |   47.35  167 |   50.81  144
 162  UTEP               A  =  48.87    4   8   56.43( 134)    0   0  |    0   0  |   47.21  167 |   47.56  165 |   49.98  153
 163  Duquesne             AA =  48.75    8   3   39.35( 211)    0   0  |    0   0  |   46.01  174 |   47.71  163 |   50.09  152
 164  Weber State          AA =  48.52    7   5   49.07( 169)    0   0  |    0   0  |   45.40  177 |   47.26  168 |   50.12  151
 165  Tennessee Tech       AA =  48.03    5   6   47.63( 175)    0   0  |    0   1  |   46.55  170 |   46.35  173 |   49.29  158
 166  Rice                 A  =  47.95    3   9   61.10(  96)    0   0  |    0   2  |   48.63  159 |   47.71  162 |   47.53  168
 167  Florida Atlantic     A  =  47.75    3   9   58.21( 126)    0   0  |    0   3  |   47.91  163 |   47.92  161 |   47.28  171
 168  Colgate              AA =  47.69    5   5   40.55( 206)    0   0  |    0   0  |   48.58  160 |   47.62  164 |   47.07  173
 169  Saint Francis-Pa.    AA =  47.31    7   5   42.77( 198)    0   0  |    0   0  |   47.15  168 |   46.78  171 |   47.39  170
 170  McNeese State     
171  William & Mary       AA =  47.02    5   6   47.17( 178)    0   0  |    0   1  |   46.08  173 |   45.23  179 |   48.15  166
 172  SE Louisiana         AA =  47.02    7   4   42.65( 199)    0   0  |    0   1  |   44.53  182 |   45.52  177 |   48.52  163
 173  Northern Colorado    AA =  46.89    6   5   49.96( 162)    0   0  |    0   0  |   46.09  172 |   46.49  172 |   47.13  172
 174  Indiana State        AA =  46.78    4   7   55.84( 139)    0   0  |    0   1  |   47.34  165 |   47.06  169 |   46.07  177
 175  Pennsylvania         AA =  46.64    7   3   37.64( 217)    0   0  |    0   0  |   44.06  184 |   45.18  180 |   48.16  165
 176  Eastern Illinois     AA =  46.41    6   5   46.95( 182)    0   0  |    0   0  |   45.57  176 |   46.34  174 |   46.45  175
 177  Nicholls State       AA =  46.28    5   6   46.02( 187)    0   0  |    0   0  |   46.90  169 |   46.15  175 |   45.80  180
 178  Gardner-Webb         AA =  45.95    5   6   49.09( 168)    0   0  |    0   0  |   46.23  171 |   45.32  178 |   45.92  178
 179  Fresno State         A  =  45.77    1  11   64.50(  83)    0   0  |    0   2  |   49.67  155 |   47.53  166 |   42.69  189
 180  Montana State        AA =
181  Delaware             AA =  45.01    4   7   50.13( 161)    0   0  |    0   0  |   45.34  179 |   44.54  183 |   44.86  184
 182  Buffalo              A  =  44.84    2  10   59.17( 118)    0   0  |    0   1  |   43.53  185 |   43.70  184 |   45.71  181
 183  Stony Brook          AA =  44.67    5   6   49.38( 167)    0   0  |    0   0  |   45.23  180 |   45.92  176 |   43.34  186
 184  NC A&T               AA =  44.62    9   3   34.19( 224)    0   0  |    0   1  |   44.29  183 |   44.87  181 |   44.29  185
 185  Missouri State       AA =  44.30    4   7   60.89(  98)    0   0  |    0   1  |   40.70  192 |   43.27  185 |   45.90  179
 186  Dayton               AA =  43.71    9   2   27.39( 250)    0   0  |    0   0  |   40.60  193 |   42.09  187 |   45.48  182
 187  NC Central           AA =  42.98    9   3   30.92( 234)    0   0  |    0   1  |   37.14  202 |   40.12  195 |   46.25  176
 188  Wagner               AA =  42.43    6   5   41.30( 204)    0   0  |    0   0  |   41.55  191 |   41.37  191 |   43.08  187
 189  Portland State       AA =  42.18    3   8   50.92( 158)    0   1  |    0   1  |   44.77  181 |   42.42  186 |   40.64  192
 190  Towson               AA =  42.05
 201  Texas State          A  =  38.00    2  10   62.38(  90)    0   0  |    0   0  |   37.95  199 |   38.31  199 |   37.51  201
 202  Stephen F. Austin    AA =  37.81    5   6   45.69( 191)    0   0  |    0   0  |   37.49  200 |   38.09  200 |   37.44  202
 203  Sacred Heart         AA =  36.61    6   5   33.93( 225)    0   0  |    0   0  |   35.92  208 |   37.20  203 |   36.18  204
 204  East Tennessee State AA =  36.28    5   6   54.28( 143)    0   0  |    0   0  |   33.86  211 |   35.72  208 |   37.17  203
 205  Bucknell             AA =  36.18    4   7   40.25( 208)    0   0  |    0   0  |   37.25  201 |   36.08  207 |   35.50  209
 206  Monmouth-NJ          AA =  36.04    4   7   47.11( 180)    0   0  |    0   0  |   36.22  207 |   36.26  206 |   35.53  208
 207  Dartmouth            AA =  35.57    4   6   39.01( 212)    0   0  |    0   0  |   37.07  203 |   36.35  205 |   34.11  213
 208  Lamar                AA =  35.39    3   8   47.29( 177)    0   0  |    0   0  |   37.07  204 |   36.89  204 |   33.34  215
 209  Eastern Kentucky     AA =  35.05    3   8   46.77( 185)    0   0  |    0   0  |   36.26  206 |   35.47  209 |   33.98  214
 210  Prairie View A&M     AA =
 211  Houston Baptist      AA =  33.88    4   7   44.90( 195)    0   0  |    0   1  |   30.18  221 |   32.16  213 |   35.78  205
 212  Drake                AA =  33.66    7   4   28.89( 243)    0   0  |    0   0  |   29.55  224 |   31.90  215 |   35.69  206
 213  Holy Cross           AA =  33.37    4   7   40.70( 205)    0   0  |    0   0  |   31.29  215 |   32.03  214 |   34.58  211
 214  Idaho State          AA =  32.78    2   9   55.67( 140)    0   0  |    0   1  |   34.03  210 |   33.19  211 |   31.69  219
 215  Abilene Christian    AA =  32.70    2   9   45.06( 194)    0   0  |    0   0  |   34.20  209 |   32.40  212 |   31.95  218
 216  Rhode Island         AA =  32.40    2   9   48.00( 172)    0   0  |    0   0  |   28.62  225 |   29.89  221 |   34.69  210
 217  Columbia             AA =  32.38    3   7   38.15( 214)    0   0  |    0   0  |   31.59  214 |   31.20  218 |   33.06  216
 218  Sacramento State     AA =  32.23    2   9   47.04( 181)    0   0  |    0   0  |   31.20  216 |   31.66  216 |   32.65  217
 219  Yale                 AA =  32.12    3   7   41.86( 202)    0   0  |    0   0  |   28.06  228 |   29.65  222 |   34.47  212
 220  Cornell              AA =
 221  Alcorn State         AA =  30.91    5   6   29.26( 241)    0   0  |    0   0  |   30.65  219 |   30.29  219 |   31.08  221
 222  Incarnate Word       AA =  30.30    3   8   40.45( 207)    0   0  |    0   0  |   29.86  223 |   29.50  223 |   30.63  223
 223  Lafayette            AA =  30.17    2   9   45.82( 190)    0   0  |    0   0  |   30.88  217 |   30.28  220 |   29.50  225
 224  Presbyterian College AA =  29.96    2   9   52.70( 149)    0   0  |    0   0  |   27.18  232 |   28.53  226 |   31.42  220
 225  Bethune-Cookman      AA =  29.87    4   6   31.55( 230)    0   0  |    0   0  |   29.87  222 |   28.94  225 |   30.11  224
 226  Brown                AA =  28.47    4   6   36.07( 218)    0   0  |    0   0  |   28.61  226 |   28.48  227 |   28.09  226
 227  Northwestern State   AA =  28.21    1  10   46.77( 186)    0   0  |    0   0  |   31.90  213 |   29.23  224 |   25.40  234
 228  Elon                 AA =  27.50    2   9   51.38( 157)    0   0  |    0   0  |   27.31  230 |   27.75  228 |   27.10  228
 229  Hampton              AA =  27.13    5   6   31.36( 231)    0   0  |    0   0  |   27.29  231 |   27.07  231 |   26.80  229
 230  Central Connecticut  AA =
231  Robert Morris        AA =  27.06    2   9   45.32( 192)    0   0  |    0   0  |   28.37  227 |   27.53  230 |   25.88  232
 232  Jacksonville         AA =  26.77    5   5   29.16( 242)    0   0  |    0   0  |   24.42  234 |   25.80  233 |   27.83  227
 233  Georgetown           AA =  25.61    3   8   37.64( 216)    0   0  |    0   0  |   27.02  233 |   26.41  232 |   24.14  236
 234  Florida A&M          AA =  25.09    4   7   34.45( 221)    0   0  |    0   1  |   22.52  238 |   23.87  236 |   26.34  230
 235  Marist               AA =  25.09    5   6   27.34( 251)    0   0  |    0   0  |   22.92  237 |   23.89  235 |   26.21  231
 236  Austin Peay          AA =  24.48    0  11   49.46( 166)    0   0  |    0   0  |   27.92  229 |   25.64  234 |   21.63  241
 237  Norfolk State        AA =  24.30    4   7   34.27( 222)    0   0  |    0   0  |   22.22  239 |   22.34  238 |   25.78  233
 238  Texas Southern       AA =  23.16    4   7   29.86( 237)    0   0  |    0   0  |   23.99  235 |   23.33  237 |   22.40  238
 239  Morehead State       AA =  22.39    4   7   27.41( 249)    0   0  |    0   0  |   22.93  236 |   22.09  239 |   22.06  240
 240  Alabama State        AA =
241  Alabama A&M          AA =  21.53    4   7   30.91( 235)    0   0  |    0   1  |   19.37  241 |   20.01  241 |   22.80  237
 242  Campbell             AA =  19.61    5   5   24.74( 252)    0   0  |    0   0  |   18.82  243 |   18.59  244 |   20.19  242
 243  Stetson              AA =  19.50    4   7   28.32( 247)    0   0  |    0   0  |   18.85  242 |   18.92  242 |   19.78  243
 244  Savannah State       AA =  18.50    3   7   32.80( 228)    0   0  |    0   0  |   17.04  248 |   18.63  243 |   18.64  245
 245  Valparaiso           AA =  18.27    4   7   31.27( 232)    0   0  |    0   0  |   17.60  246 |   17.54  246 |   18.64  244
 246  Jackson State        AA =  17.92    3   8   30.08( 236)    0   0  |    0   0  |   18.18  244 |   18.02  245 |   17.43  247
 247  Howard               AA =  17.30    2   9   33.12( 226)    0   0  |    0   0  |   17.60  247 |   16.85  247 |   17.14  248
 248  Morgan State         AA =  16.85    3   8   29.78( 238)    0   0  |    0   0  |   14.36  249 |   15.39  249 |   18.16  246
 249  Butler               AA =  16.64    4   7   29.38( 240)    0   0  |    0   0  |   17.66  245 |   16.64  248 |   15.89  249
 250  Delaware State       AA = 
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« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2017, 10:44:36 pm »

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

Simply looking below us in the Sagarin rankings offers a host of fun match-ups..... my favorites include
Duquesne, Rice, UTEP, William & Mary, Eastern Illinois, Buffalo, Dayton, Texas State, Fresno State, Houston Baptist, Drake, Incarnate Word (San Antonio -Southland Conf), Stetson, Stephen F. Austin, Butler, Jacksonville (FL), U of San Diego, Lamar  ...... I love the Pioneer League, NEC and the Southland Conference for matchups and recruiting areas (Houston, DFW, FL, ILL, PA

I agree, Scott.  Excellent stats.  I've been pushing for us to play Rice for years.
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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2017, 12:26:29 am »

I agree, Scott.  Excellent stats.  I've been pushing for us to play Rice for years.
Also agree, and I have been pushing for us to play SMU.
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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2017, 12:43:27 pm »

agreed on playing Rice. 
hotbed for FB talent and Rice would be a competitive game against a well respected academic institution as a bonus. 
I would also think the payout would be decent.


Florida International would be comparable to Rice for the same reasons.
FIU and Charlotte are both Conf USA, if we scheduled Rice that would be 3 teams from this conference.
UAB is rejoining the conference to be the 14th member.
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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2017, 02:16:01 pm »

Perhaps URI and Brown were not available. Brown does not appear to be scheduling Patriot League teams any longer.


Just to be clear, I was only using URI and Brown as examples b/c, like Bryant, they're both located in Rhode Island.  Of course outside of the Ocean State there are many-many other cupcakes out there.  We should be scheduling the ones college fans have heard of as opposed to one which has only been playing football since 1998 and has only been playing FCS football since 2008.
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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2017, 02:27:05 pm »

Agreed!

The comment about Bryant seems beyond nitpicky to me.

Beyond "nitpicky" to want to play a team others have heard of?

Not everyone on the schedule can be a name

Frank speak?

and URI is not very good anyway.

Kinda the given when discussing cupcakes, no?  Point is URI is known. 

Oh and it also woulda been kinda cool if we hadn't scheduled 6 out of our first 8 (sans bye) on the road this year but maybe that's "nitpicky" too.
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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2017, 03:13:36 pm »

Also agree, and I have been pushing for us to play SMU.
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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2017, 03:15:09 pm »


Just to be clear, I was only using URI and Brown as examples b/c, like Bryant, they're both located in Rhode Island.  Of course outside of the Ocean State there are many-many other cupcakes out there.  We should be scheduling the ones college fans have heard of as opposed to one which has only been playing football since 1998 and has only been playing FCS football since 2008.

Do you really think anyone cares?  A cupcake is a cupcake is a cupcake.  As long as its a win, who cares?  We don't have a lot of wiggle room with the schedule.  Roach is doing a great job with the scheduling, IMO.
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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2017, 05:05:58 pm »

Oh and it also woulda been kinda cool if we hadn't scheduled 6 out of our first 8 (sans bye) on the road this year but maybe that's "nitpicky" too.

Your posts mark you as someone who seems to think that we can schedule any team we want and play them whenever we want. It doesn't work that way. The opponents have their scheduling issues, also. I trust Dave Roach and Andrew Breiner to get us the best POSSIBLE schedule. As the Rolling Stones famously sang "You can't always get what you want. But if you try sometime, you just might find, you get what you need."

I beieve that you ARE being "nitpicky."   Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2017, 05:13:40 pm »

Beyond "nitpicky" to want to play a team others have heard of?

Frank speak?

Kinda the given when discussing cupcakes, no?  Point is URI is known. 

Oh and it also woulda been kinda cool if we hadn't scheduled 6 out of our first 8 (sans bye) on the road this year but maybe that's "nitpicky" too.

I hear you on the home games. I don't know the details though, so I won't say it absolutely should not have happened.

As for scheduling a name, if we want to schedule teams outside of the Northeast, let's hope they don't have that same restriction, otherwise we might not get on their schedule.
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@P69:  Yuge Stones fan (up until and including "Tattoo You" at least) so, unfortunately for me, I canít argue with Mick! 

@Ace:  I obviously donít know the details either, but w/all those early road games, this ainít the best schedule. 

Good point on other teams (like mofo Hawaii!) not advocating the ďplay namesĒ restrictions Iíd prefer.  But thatís on them.  If a team a team like Navy wants to play us, thatís on them to explain who Fordham is to an alumni base wanting a sexier opponent.  If I was Navy, I would have scheduled a Richmond-type instead.  Still woulda been a cupcake for them, just one most Mids know.  None of that however means we should be doing the same for newbies like Bryant.   

@AOC: All parts of the OOC schedule are important, including cupcakes.  Recruits care about who we play, casual fans care and most importantly, the selection committee cares.  For example, that D-II game last year didnít even count as a win for us in the committeeís eyes.  Being the last bubble to burst, chances are that beating up on a different cupcake (an FCS one) instead, woulda helped w/landing a playoff spot.  So no, not all cupcakes are the same.     
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« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2017, 02:52:20 pm »

@P69:  Yuge Stones fan (up until and including "Tattoo You" at least) so, unfortunately for me, I canít argue with Mick! 

@Ace:  I obviously donít know the details either, but w/all those early road games, this ainít the best schedule. 

Good point on other teams (like mofo Hawaii!) not advocating the ďplay namesĒ restrictions Iíd prefer.  But thatís on them.  If a team a team like Navy wants to play us, thatís on them to explain who Fordham is to an alumni base wanting a sexier opponent.  If I was Navy, I would have scheduled a Richmond-type instead.  Still woulda been a cupcake for them, just one most Mids know.  None of that however means we should be doing the same for newbies like Bryant.   

@AOC: All parts of the OOC schedule are important, including cupcakes.  Recruits care about who we play, casual fans care and most importantly, the selection committee cares.  For example, that D-II game last year didnít even count as a win for us in the committeeís eyes.  Being the last bubble to burst, chances are that beating up on a different cupcake (an FCS one) instead, woulda helped w/landing a playoff spot.  So no, not all cupcakes are the same.     


I was specifically addressing your criticism of scheduling Bryant. 

Brown, URI, Bryant...  All from Rhode Island. All bad. Recruits won't care, the selection committee won't care, and our fans certainly won't care.
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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2017, 03:36:32 pm »

We're in a one bid conference. If the goal is to be in a playoff run every year, schedule has to be tightly balanced.  Roach is doing a very good job understanding this, imo.

I disagree.. in a one bid league the only thing that matters is winning the leagues auto bid. The non conference schedule means nothing if you think it's truly a one bid league. Why not play the best teams you can out of conference to attract better recruits. The only way the pl becomes a 2 bid league is by scheduling and winning games against the better fcs teams as well as lower level fbs.
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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2017, 06:53:40 pm »

I disagree.. in a one bid league the only thing that matters is winning the leagues auto bid. The non conference schedule means nothing if you think it's truly a one bid league. Why not play the best teams you can out of conference to attract better recruits. The only way the pl becomes a 2 bid league is by scheduling and winning games against the better fcs teams as well as lower level fbs.

I partially agree with your analysis on non conference scheduling.  I also think people forget it is also entertainment. And our alumni, family and friends of Fordham want to see some better teams, including some name FBS schools.  To say nothing that are student athletes also like these games.  We should continue to schedule with that in mind.  If need be, maybe we can open some backchannels to some big time programs. Wink
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« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2017, 08:47:10 pm »

I disagree.. in a one bid league the only thing that matters is winning the leagues auto bid. The non conference schedule means nothing if you think it's truly a one bid league. Why not play the best teams you can out of conference to attract better recruits. The only way the pl becomes a 2 bid league is by scheduling and winning games against the better fcs teams as well as lower level fbs.

I agree.  Scheduling tough gives you two avenues to get there.  The most likely is as PL champ which a more aggressive OOC will only help better prep us for.  Likewise, if we somehow do well in OOC but slip up in one PL game we at least still have a shot.  Running the table against Patsies in the OOC skid won't help us in either regard imo
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« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2017, 07:21:44 am »

If the goal is to be in contention for a playoff spot every year the current strategy is exactly what we should be doing.  It's a balanced OOC schedule with an FBS team that we should play with, a top FCS team, and 3 beatable locals. Hopefully the PL will improve at some point but the focus has to be winning the conference or finishing second and piling up OOC wins. If we had beaten Monmouth last year we would have been in despite not winning the PL.
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« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2017, 08:57:13 am »

If the goal is to be in contention for a playoff spot every year the current strategy is exactly what we should be doing.  It's a balanced OOC schedule with an FBS team that we should play with, a top FCS team, and 3 beatable locals. Hopefully the PL will improve at some point but the focus has to be winning the conference or finishing second and piling up OOC wins. If we had beaten Monmouth last year we would have been in despite not winning the PL.

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We are on the right track - small steps have been taken every year over the past 5-8 that have put bus in a great spot to continue the success we've been having.
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« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2017, 01:00:30 pm »

If the goal is to be in contention for a playoff spot every year the current strategy is exactly what we should be doing.  It's a balanced OOC schedule with an FBS team that we should play with, a top FCS team, and 3 beatable locals. Hopefully the PL will improve at some point but the focus has to be winning the conference or finishing second and piling up OOC wins. If we had beaten Monmouth last year we would have been in despite not winning the PL.
Agree overall although I would call this year's OOC pretty aggressive.  Much more so than last year certainly.
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« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2017, 02:56:17 pm »

If the goal is to be in contention for a playoff spot every year the current strategy is exactly what we should be doing.  It's a balanced OOC schedule with an FBS team that we should play with, a top FCS team, and 3 beatable locals. Hopefully the PL will improve at some point but the focus has to be winning the conference or finishing second and piling up OOC wins. If we had beaten Monmouth last year we would have been in despite not winning the PL.

Yes . This makes sense but What you said earlier was that we are a one bid league. If we are a one bid league then you have to schedule the best ooc possible. I think this years ooc is great and puts us in a great position to go 9-2 and go as a second place team.

If we lose to say Lehigh and either army or eastern Washington but beat the other we have a great chance to go at large. Not a lock at all but a good chance .. 10-1 with wins against army and eastern Washington and we're in even with a loss to Lehigh and second place.

On a side note , I think the eastern Washington game is the biggest home game in the programs history. At home against a national power is huge. It won't have the patriot  league importance or the nova factor but it's a non conference national fcs power at home and we haven't had many like this ever
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On a side note , I think the eastern Washington game is the biggest home game in the programs history. At home against a national power is huge. It won't have the patriot  league importance or the nova factor but it's a non conference national fcs power at home and we haven't had many like this ever

Agreed but I wonder if we'll get the people to show up for this game. Nova should always draw well because of the amt of Nova Grads that live in and near NYC/LI and its fairly common people of the same social circles to choose one or the other so it has the potential to become an amazing and natural rivalry.

I'd like Nova on the schedule every single year. Could turn into the game of the season. I am pumped for the Eastern Washington game though and i'll be there for it. Would be a sick win.
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« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2017, 03:54:06 pm »

Yes . This makes sense but What you said earlier was that we are a one bid league. If we are a one bid league then you have to schedule the best ooc possible. I think this years ooc is great and puts us in a great position to go 9-2 and go as a second place team.

If we lose to say Lehigh and either army or eastern Washington but beat the other we have a great chance to go at large. Not a lock at all but a good chance .. 10-1 with wins against army and eastern Washington and we're in even with a loss to Lehigh and second place.

On a side note , I think the eastern Washington game is the biggest home game in the programs history. At home against a national power is huge. It won't have the patriot  league importance or the nova factor but it's a non conference national fcs power at home and we haven't had many like this ever

I think we are a one-bid league but I almost view Fordham as an independent.  We've gone off and done our own thing with scholarships and we're still getting the benefit of that.  If we go 9-2, even 8-3 with this schedule and pile up the points, we're still in the play-off picture.  This year should we have a worst case, lose to Army, E. Wash and Lehigh in close games and finish second in the PL but if we win our games by big margins, I could make the argument that we get a bid.
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« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2017, 04:40:11 pm »

Eastern Washington comes here after opening at Texas Tech, and then hosting North Dakota State for week 2. Their game after us is the Montana Griz, a hated rival for them. We need to play well, hopefully win, and establish some national credibility for Fordham and the Patriot League.

The PL has had 2 bids a couple of times recently, but not often, so yes we need to bulk up the OOC schedule, and win,  if we want to have better odds for an at large, but so do the other teams in the PL to improve the league perception, and the only ones capable of that at the moment are Colgate and Lehigh.

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« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2017, 09:23:13 pm »

Eastern Washington was absolutely scary last season over 42ppg and 516 yards of total offfense per game. Defense was pretty good for a team with such a high flying offense. The fact that they have to travel to the Bronx after 2 tough games will be a big advantage but they are a very very very good team the likes of which we rarely see
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« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2017, 12:42:35 pm »

I think we are a one-bid league but I almost view Fordham as an independent.  We've gone off and done our own thing with scholarships and we're still getting the benefit of that.  If we go 9-2, even 8-3 with this schedule and pile up the points, we're still in the play-off picture.  This year should we have a worst case, lose to Army, E. Wash and Lehigh in close games and finish second in the PL but if we win our games by big margins, I could make the argument that we get a bid.

I hope that's correct Coach.

But I think we'll win at least one of those games.   We play Lehigh at home.
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« Reply #40 on: June 14, 2017, 02:44:39 pm »

I hope that's correct Coach.

But I think we'll win at least one of those games.   We play Lehigh at home.

i think we have to win at least one of them, otherwise same story as last year. 2016 was the story of having a good record, but not beating anyone good enough to put us in the playoffs.
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Holy Cross is also upgrading.
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« Reply #42 on: July 05, 2017, 09:03:39 am »

I hope that's correct Coach.

But I think we'll win at least one of those games.   We play Lehigh at home.

So what you are saying is.....that we beat Lehigh?
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« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2017, 10:39:55 pm »

Sorry for being late to the party guys but yes we must beat Lehigh. If we are competitive with Army and EWU we should have no problem getting into the playoffs even if we slip up, but not with a home game.
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