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100% correct.
I'll 2nd(or 3rd) that. |
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Stringer Bell
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Does anyone know what prep school Joel is going to next year---I heard it'll probably be New Hampton but does anyone know for sure?
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fordahmballer
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Well it seems as if Grasso has a relationship with New Hampton being that he sent Gaston there, so he it would be no surprise of that is where Wright ends up also
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LXRF
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Not to make unfair comparisons, but there were some 6'-6"ers' who domininated in college, see: e. g. Jordan, Michael, who was a pretty good college player.
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ace93
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Different positions, diffrent skillsets. You are comparing a guard to a forward and I am fairly sure Stringer Bell was talking about it being tough to dominate as a 6'6" forward in college.
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Nothing replaces success in the revenue sports. Nothing. That's not to take away from the success in the Olympic sports - they do matter. It isn't a replacement for success in the flagship sports. - Debbie Yow, AD - NC State
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Buzz
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Different positions, diffrent skillsets. You are comparing a guard to a forward and I am fairly sure Stringer Bell was talking about it being tough to dominate as a 6'6" forward in college.
Michael Beasley is legitimately 6'6". He did OK as a forward in college |
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ace93
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Michael Beasley is legitimately 6'6". He did OK as a forward in college
Not sure if you are trying to be clever here or what. You use the word "legitimately" and Beasley is also listed at 6'9" so I feel like you are trying to get at something else. |
Nothing replaces success in the revenue sports. Nothing. That's not to take away from the success in the Olympic sports - they do matter. It isn't a replacement for success in the flagship sports. - Debbie Yow, AD - NC State
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Stringer Bell
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I said that 6'6 kids---Ace is correct that I meant forwards---generally don't dominate in college like they're able to in high school. I didn't say it can't happen.
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Buzz
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Not sure if you are trying to be clever here or what. You use the word "legitimately" and Beasley is also listed at 6'9" so I feel like you are trying to get at something else.
The height issue is overrated, is my point. A good example of that, I think is Michael Beasely who originally committed to Charlotte. On many of the predraft blogs last year he is listed at 6'6". |
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Buzz
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I said that 6'6 kids---Ace is correct that I meant forwards---generally don't dominate in college like they're able to in high school. I didn't say it can't happen.
I disagree, I think you'd find that more forwards in the 6'6" to 6'8" height range have better numbers in college than 6'9"-7' players. I don't think it's even close. |
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ace93
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The height issue is overrated, is my point. A good example of that, I think is Michael Beasely who originally committed to Charlotte. On many of the predraft blogs last year he is listed at 6'6".
I agree that height can be overrated, but if Beasley is 6'6" then most listed at 6'6" are probably more like 6'4" and you can keep going down the ladder on that one. I don't want to keep speaking for Stringer Bell, but the point as I saw it was that Wright plays a more physical game and that physical dominance does not always carry over well to college b/c overall the physicality of the game increases. I am not saying that Wright does not have other legit aspects to his game b/c I know very little about him, just saying that in general terms excelling in college on strength and power is much harder than it is in high school. There are indeed many exceptions though. |
Nothing replaces success in the revenue sports. Nothing. That's not to take away from the success in the Olympic sports - they do matter. It isn't a replacement for success in the flagship sports. - Debbie Yow, AD - NC State
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Buzz
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The college game is dominated by forwards in Joel Wright's height range. Players taller than that who put up big numbers don't stay in college for very long.
I don't understand anyone using Joel Wright's height as a potential drawback. The A-10 is not the NBA.
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ace93
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The college game is dominated by forwards in Joel Wright's height range. Players taller than that who put up big numbers don't stay in college for very long.
I don't understand anyone using Joel Wright's height as a potential drawback. The A-10 is not the NBA.
I believe the original comment referred to height and the lack of a shot outside 5 feet. In other words, the word of caution (and that was all it was) was about a combination of things and not solely about height. |
Nothing replaces success in the revenue sports. Nothing. That's not to take away from the success in the Olympic sports - they do matter. It isn't a replacement for success in the flagship sports. - Debbie Yow, AD - NC State
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Buzz
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I believe the original comment referred to height and the lack of a shot outside 5 feet. In other words, the word of caution (and that was all it was) was about a combination of things and not solely about height.
What's your problem Ace? Are you stringer bell? |
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ace93
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What's your problem Ace? Are you stringer bell?
I don't have a problem, I just find it to be an iteresting debate and since I feel I understand where Stringer Bell was coming from I am offering my opinion. Not sure why you felt I had a problem. If you want to have a debate with Stringer Bell that nobody else can chime in on, feel free to PM him, otherwise discussions here are open to all who care to participate. |
Nothing replaces success in the revenue sports. Nothing. That's not to take away from the success in the Olympic sports - they do matter. It isn't a replacement for success in the flagship sports. - Debbie Yow, AD - NC State
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Stringer Bell
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The college game is dominated by forwards in Joel Wright's height range. Players taller than that who put up big numbers don't stay in college for very long.
I don't understand anyone using Joel Wright's height as a potential drawback. The A-10 is not the NBA.
And the PSAL isn't the A-10. Wright had 55 points and 28 rebounds in a league game against Grady, and he averaged about 22 points and 16 rebounds for the season. Part of the reason he was able to do that is because being 6'6, 190 in high school gives you a significant size advantage. He isn't going to have that luxury at Fordham, and he needs to diversify his offensive game if he's going to be an all-league player, which I certainly think he's capable of doing. As far as the college game being dominated by 6'6-6'7 power forwards---I just don't see it. |
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Buzz
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As far as the college game being dominated by 6'6-6'7 power forwards---I just don't see it.
Then you're not looking hard enough. Take a Glance at the big east: Pitt: DeJuan Blair listed at 6'7", Sam Young 6'6" Uconn: Jeff Adrien generously listed at 6"7" Notre Dame: Luke Harangody generously listed at 6'8" |
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Stringer Bell
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Then you're not looking hard enough.
Take a Glance at the big east:
Pitt: DeJuan Blair listed at 6'7", Sam Young 6'6"
Uconn: Jeff Adrien generously listed at 6"7"
Notre Dame: Luke Harangody generously listed at 6'8"
Joel Wright has very little in common with any of them except for Adrien. They're both junkyard types who can get out in transition. Blair weighs 265, Sam Young can hit 3s, and if Harangody (250 lbs) is generously listed at 6'8, maybe Wright is generously listed at 6'6? Derrick Brown, Damion James and Lazar Hayward are some other guys you could have mentioned, but they can all beat their men off the dribble and hit 3s just like Young. We could go back and forth on this all day. The crux of my argument was that 6'6 kids can't use their height to dominate in college the way they can in high school and I'm going to stand by it. It's not meant as a knock on Wright and I think he'll be a very good player for us regardless. |
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bleedmaroon
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the problem is this.....many kids in wrights position are very successful in high school simply because they are taller and more athletic than everyone else...they dont usually have a good jumpshot, post moves, etc...because they dont need too...they can jump over people to score and get rebounds...now when a kid comes to fordham or any college for that matter...they need to learn the fine points of the game of basketball.... i dont have confidence that our coaches are going to be able to teach them the fine points for interior, back to the basket basketball....or how to pull up and shoot a 12 footer...i just dont have confidence in any of our coaches to nurture and help these kids get better.....i am a fordham basketball fan, excuse me for not being overly confident.
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fordhamram
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I think you guys are putting way too much into what Stringer Bell has to say. He said that he heard from somebody that Wright doesn't have an outside game. That may be the case. But for those who believe him take a look at what you are believing. You are believing somebody you don't know on a message board who hasn't seen the kid play but has heard from another one of his friends that in a game he saw Joel didn't have an outside game.
When you put it all together, it seems a little foggy to me.
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RAM71
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When Joel starts to put up big numbers at Prep school in November, we'll be glad we have him signed (just like Gaston this past November).
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Stringer Bell
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That may be the case.
It is. He scores most of his points in transition and off of offensive rebounds. If you don't believe me feel free to ask Rambacker, Tom Konchalski or Jared Grasso. |
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fordhamram
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It is. He scores most of his points in transition and off of offensive rebounds. If you don't believe me feel free to ask Rambacker, Tom Konchalski or Jared Grasso.
Okay Chief, well maybe you do take the 2 pointers when you have the ability to run past everybody on the court. Have you had direct contact with Grasso that makes you so sure Grasso has the same opinion? If not (which I think is the case) then your post sounds ridiculous and stupid. As much as I appreciate RB's info, I doubt he is at every practice and game of Joel's and has actually personally seen very few. (I would tend to think you lead a pretty sad life if all you do is watch a committs high school games on weekend's) And I doubt Konchalski has nearly the info that either RB or Grasso does. What do you want Wright to do- Wait on the three point line when he can secure two points on the glass? We could use players who aren't afraid of a little contact. |
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SIram
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It is. He scores most of his points in transition and off of offensive rebounds. If you don't believe me feel free to ask Rambacker, Tom Konchalski or Jared Grasso.
I would be happy to have a player who scores off offensive rebounds and in transition |
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b.mann
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The kid is first team all-PSAL as a junior, he's orally committed to Fordham...a team that went 3-25 this year...and we're quibbling about whether or not he'll hit the 15 footer in crunch time? You have got to be kidding me! Gaston, Brown, and both Wrights have all been vetted...that's saying, of course, that we're lucky enough to get Sherrod. They won't all be superstars here; that's not the way it usually works out...anywhere. But let's at least be happy that someone's coming with some credentials. GO RAMS!
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fordahmballer
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For us to have Big East level recruits coming here after the year we had proves that Grasso is a great recruiter!! He has nothing to sell and still seems to find a way to get these kids here!!
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RAM71
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For us to have Big East level recruits coming here after the year we had proves that Grasso is a great recruiter!! He has nothing to sell and still seems to find a way to get these kids here!!
If I were DW, I would be very nice to Jared Grasso right now. |
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jimbo65
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Sight unseen, I would take four Air Jaimaicas & Jio for a trip to the sweet sixteen.
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LXRF
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With some exceptions, the players that can score like Wright shows he can against PSAL competition, most times will be able to continue to score when they reach college.
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rambacker
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With some exceptions, the players that can score like Wright shows he can against PSAL competition, most times will be able to continue to score when they reach college.
Joel needs to continue to develop his game, but he's got a lot to work with. He's very athletic, is a tough competitor and is driven to be very good. His shot will improve, I think, in prep school. As for academics, I hear he is a smart kid and just needs to apply himself and get into the routine of performing consistently in the classroom. There are lots of distractions where he lives. Apparently a good kid, though. |
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