Tracking Our *CURRENTLY* Signed/Committed Recruits

[85]

Yeah, we really should've signed one of those McDonald's All-Americans who were interested in coming to Fordham. 

McDonald's? You mean like the 2 for 1 non-value meal we got with the Fays?

This Fay thing is DW like. I dont want to hear this crap about the kid had D2 offers and he could provide depth, newsflash, he will never play. Pissing away a schollie on another guard is ludicrous.  First and foremost, we appear to have already played a full scholarship short THIS season due to this farce. Tell me how having a non D1 recruit burn a ship as a freaking redshirt is in any way acceptable at our level.  Add to that we are the reigning last place finishers ( 3 peat ) in conference and we can afford to do this?  This is where an athletic director ( insert laugh track ) needs to come in and say , ah NO, not letting you do that.

Pecora is absolutely mum on the Jared Fay thing, mum, he never mentions him as a player, he did not answer the direct questions about him on WFUV ( not asked ) , he never clarified on the website if he was a redshirt or on the team this year. This is Ryan Munson II.

[Vinseiro]

Yeah, we really should've signed one of those McDonald's All-Americans who were interested in coming to Fordham.  I have no idea what to expect when Fay gets here, but that's not what the tweet said, and I'd be more concerned if he had already peaked.  What player doesn't make tremendous improvements after his sophomore year in high school?

Of course, no one mentioned signing Mickey D kids.

Under our circumstances, the issue is wasting 2 early schollies on a kid who was far from being ready.

[Buzz]

Of course, no one mentioned signing Mickey D kids.

Under our circumstances, the issue is wasting 2 early schollies on a kid who was far from being ready.

What are you basing this on?

[ramfan01]

What are you basing this on?

ITK told him so. 

[Buzz]

ITK told him so. 

It's their same broken record

[85]

Not sure what 2 non ready players are being regferenced. Fay didnt play, didnt suit up and didnt have any clarity on his situation. Jared Fay appears to have taken up a scholarship, on the worst team in the A-10.  The 3X last place team in the A-10 does not have the luxury of giving away two freebies, be they to walk-ons or very furtive situations involving a future player's brother. This is reality 101. There is no pulling the wool over the fans' eyes. The Fay thing stinks to the high heavens, end of story.

[Buzz]

Not sure what 2 non ready players are being regferenced. Fay didnt play, didnt suit up and didnt have any clarity on his situation. Jared Fay appears to have taken up a scholarship, on the worst team in the A-10.  The 3X last place team in the A-10 does not have the luxury of giving away two freebies, be they to walk-ons or very furtive situations involving a future player's brother. This is reality 101. There is no pulling the wool over the fans' eyes. The Fay thing stinks to the high heavens, end of story.

A Fay hasn't stepped foot on the court yet. I'm going to wait to see them with my own eyes before I make any judgements

[ram64]

Jared Fay appears to have taken up a scholarship, on the worst team in the A-10.  The 3X last place team in the A-10 does not have the luxury of giving away two freebies, be they to walk-ons or very furtive situations involving a future player's brother. This is reality 101. There is no pulling the wool over the fans' eyes. The Fay thing stinks to the high heavens, end of story.

Bottom line is wasted scholarships by a last place team insure the possibility of more last place finishes.

[Vinseiro]

To me, "tremendously improved" means that he was (somewhat) raw when we signed him.  You'd think we wouldn't have to give up 2 schollies for that.

[John]

A Fay hasn't stepped foot on the court yet. I'm going to wait to see them with my own eyes before I make any judgements

Bravo, Buzz, quite right!  Folks bemoan the fact that we signed a kid who only had high D-II offers and redshirted him for a season. I am constrained to point out that the only Fordham scholarship player in the last 20 years to have a winning season in his senior year was a fellow who only had D-II offers, one Dominic Osei. We didn't redshirt him. He was a role player, made a few starts his senior year, grabbed more than a couple of rebounds in the clutch. He was a good locker room guy and got his degree. He was a piece on a winning team. Not every kid we sign has to be a world-beater. If you become a piece on a winning team, well, there are worse things than that.

BTW, Chris Gaston has a chance next year to erase Osei's name from the record books as the last player whose team W-L record has improved each year he was on the roster. I expect him to do it.

As for the brothers Fay, I'll make my judgments based on what they do on the court.

[85]

First of all, nobody really knows if Fay Sr. was redshirted because Pecora has never addressed the situation. A direct question was posed on WFUV and it was not asked. The official website had him on the team all year with no mention of a redshirt. So, you want people to stop asking or speculating, you can clear it up as opposed to the curious manner in which it played out and continues to play out.

Secondly, for one to suggest this was not a quid pro quo to get the brother, well, good luck playing 3 card monte on Houston St.  Puhleeze.e


Waiting on Fay Sr. to play first is laughable in and of itself but it also does not address the fact that he appears to have taken up a scholarship THIS season.

[B2Bomber]

I wonder if Saturday Night Live could do a skit on this web forum?      They do have the Bronx Babes!   

[85]

Don't forget the current buzz words. Maybe he is a "diamond in the rough"  who can provide "depth" at the shooting guard position and is a "high basketball IQ " player...... 

[85]

What are you basing this on?

One  player was redshirted as a freshman coming in the door....that would mean he is not ready.....are you going to suggest that somehow he came in the door with an injury?  Redshirting a player who you apparently just signed means he is not ready.

[John]

My recollection was that the senior Fay was going to redshirt this year and pay his way, and his scholarship would kick in next year.

As for the family angle, sometimes it works. I have a niece who was a Parade HS All-America basketball player. She had offers from Stanford, UConn, Notre Dame, the whole shooting match. Her sister played for U. of Washington, she wanted to play with her sister, hence she signed with UW. She was happy, sister was happy, UW was happy.

[ace93]

My recollection was that the senior Fay was going to redshirt this year and pay his way, and his scholarship would kick in next year.

Where did you hear that?  That was floated around here, along with a few different scenarios.

[85]

Nope.

The kid told the newspaper that he "signed"  with us.  here is one of the articles indicating that he was signing that week, there are others that indicate that he signed:

http://www.itemlive.com/articles/2011/04/14/sports/sports01.txt


And if you do the math, we gave one 'ship to Ryan  Hage and then had 11 other scholarship players this season.  Last place teams can not afford to play with 11 scholarship players ( dont count the walk-on ). Period.

We did not have a full contiongent of scholarship players on the roster. Then you get an injury ( Short ) and now you are 3 scholarship players down, which is precisely why you dont piss away scholarships. 

[Vinseiro]

As for the family angle, sometimes it works. I have a niece who was a Parade HS All-America basketball player. She had offers from Stanford, UConn, Notre Dame, the whole shooting match. Her sister played for U. of Washington, she wanted to play with her sister, hence she signed with UW. She was happy, sister was happy, UW was happy.

John, you're not seriously comparing Fay, Jr. to an All-American with high-major offers?!?

Besides, our margin of error is much smaller than UW's. 

Your anecdote illustrates my concern: such an arrangement and "throw-away" of a schollie to land an elite recruit is one thing, but that's not the kind of kid Fay, Jr. presented as.

[Fordham Road]

I trust the staff.

[RAM71]

I am guessing that Jon Rothstein heard this from TP when he saw him at a Coaches Against Cancer event last night. Doesn't sound too good for Fatty.

Jon Rothstein‏@JonRothstein
Blair Academy's Jermaine Myers will be in the mix 4 serious mins next year at Fordham. Rams need a true PG so Branden Frazer can slide to 2.

[rambacker]

I am guessing that Jon Rothstein heard this from TP when he saw him at a Coaches Against Cancer event last night. Doesn't sound too good for Fatty.

Jon Rothstein‏@JonRothstein
Blair Academy's Jermaine Myers will be in the mix 4 serious mins next year at Fordham. Rams need a true PG so Branden Frazer can slide to 2.

Keep in mind that Fatty has been a 2 until he arrived at Fordham.

[RamFan78]

I am guessing that Jon Rothstein heard this from TP when he saw him at a Coaches Against Cancer event last night. Doesn't sound too good for Fatty.

Jon Rothstein‏@JonRothstein
Blair Academy's Jermaine Myers will be in the mix 4 serious mins next year at Fordham. Rams need a true PG so Branden Frazer can slide to 2.

Competition is good and hopefully it will push both to be better. In a 3 guard system we need depth and we now have it. We also have some depth at the other 2 guard position between Frazier, Smith, Short and our incoming recruit so if someone has an off shooting night (and we have seen plenty) there will be no reason not to substitute someone else in who is capable of picking up the slack.

[rambacker]

Competition is good and hopefully it will push both to be better. In a 3 guard system we need depth and we now have it. We also have some depth at the other 2 guard position between Frazier, Smith, Short and our incoming recruit so if someone has an off shooting night (and we have seen plenty) there will be no reason not to substitute someone else in who is capable of picking up the slack.

Agreed.  Now we need another quality frontcourt player and we'll be in business.  Mr. Agbeko and Mr. Rhoomes...are you listening?

[RAM71]

Jon Rothstein‏@JonRothstein
Fordham assistant David Duke continues to be a body snatcher. Has really helped the Rams build their roster in the last two years.

Jon Rothstein‏@JonRothstein
Like he did at Hofstra, Tom Pecora does a tremendous job of taking care of his NYC players first. Ryan Rhoomes is just another example.

[joeb]

as per rothstein twitter
Fordham guard Jeff Short is up to 200 pounds after being 188 as a freshman. Has to give the Rams something offensively next season.

[friarsbob]

Is that muscle or fat? I am not enamored of 200 pound guards usually; hope to be converted from that position.

[PeterMartin08]

Is that muscle or fat? I am not enamored of 200 pound guards usually; hope to be converted from that position.

First off, he was never 188. He was probably mid 170s, at 6'5' - extremely skinny.

He's probably 190 now. Looks much better.

[Rich93]

First off, he was never 188. He was probably mid 170s, at 6'5' - extremely skinny.

He's probably 190 now. Looks much better.

He could be the most important addition to our team this year.  If he steps into the starting lineup we would have a legitimate A-10 starting wing.  Then we have Smith coming off the bench, which I think is a perfect role for him.  Also, Smith would essentially be taking Estwick's role, huge upgrade to say the least. 

[Fordham Road]

Jeff Short said the freshman came in playing well and that he thinks they can win 15+ games.

[ramfan01]

Jeff Short said the freshman came in playing well and that he thinks they can win 15+ games.

He should think that they will win 15 plus.  That schedule is a land mine from game one though.