Iona hate-fest; Why?

[85]

Well, there are a lot of waywward hockey guys out there.......sometimes it means they spent a semester at a particular school, I think my cousing Mike has the record. Started at BC, then transferred to Merrimack, semester at NCC and then finished playing at St. Michael's   

[ace93]

Every college rivalry has this element to it.  A few years ago, I read in the Post (I think) that during a game at Draddy, Manhattan fans started chanting, "Safety School!" at the Iona section.  Well, the Iona section started chanting, "Safety School!" right back at the Manhattan students.  Hilarious stuff.  The MAAC really has some great rivalries, but hopefully everyone keeps it all in perspective.

Ha.  That's funny and true.   

I never really understood those that get so bent out of shape when they hear people use the "safety school" chant.  It's all in good fun if used the right way.  I always saw as an admittance of defeat and only to be used late in games when you basically have nothing left to bring.  It's similar to the "it's alright, it's ok, you will work for us someday".  Good natured ribbing and if people get bent out of shape when we use the "safety school" chant it's probably b/c they got their panties in a bunch when someone used it against us at some point.

[PhillyNY]

Well, there are a lot of waywward hockey guys out there.......sometimes it means they spent a semester at a particular school, I think my cousing Mike has the record. Started at BC, then transferred to Merrimack, semester at NCC and then finished playing at St. Michael's   

I wish the the Flyers would sign him. Maybe we could win a frickin' shootout.

[85]

Now ACE, if we really had some gonads, we should have been chanting safety school during the Harvard game!

[PhillyNY]

Now ACE, if we really had some gonads, we should have been chanting safety school during the Harvard game!

And that would have been a snipe of the first order.

[ace93]

Now ACE, if we really had some gonads, we should have been chanting safety school during the Harvard game!

Funny.  But when you win or are winning, there is no need to mock the opponent, the score does that for you.  Though in this case it would have been humorous and really infuriated their fans.

[PhillyNY]

I'd rather mock harvard or yale, than iona.

[B2Bomber]

This thread is great. Since we don't play eachother anymore, our rivalry is over.  This is like Cold-War nostalgia.  Don't you guys miss the Soviet Union?  I do.

Yes.  In ways I can't discuss here!

[85]

I beg to differ. We had some serious Cold War back and forth last night......I was unaware that a crack about fetal alcohol syndrome or identity theft was considered a  "racial remark"  but I got 2 minutes anyway...... nyet!

[B2Bomber]

I'd rather mock harvard or yale, than iona.

Actually, I pity them.  After doing the Ivy League at that level, what else is there?  Goldman Sachs?   LOL.  

[JoltinJoe]

I beg to differ. We had some serious Cold War back and forth last night......I was unaware that a crack about fetal alcohol syndrome or identity theft was considered a  "racial remark"  but I got 2 minutes anyway...... nyet!

 

[B2Bomber]

Don't be jealous. Chaminade MEN have plenty of class and there is a reason why 25-35 Chaminade MEN attend Fordham year to year. 

Sorry, NYRam07, I dont agree on any of that.   Nor am I a fan of the Marianists.    But thats a different discussion.      Its a fine school and has produced SOME good men.  But they don't have the exclusive on that (contrary to their opinion in that regard).    

I'll buy you a beer someday and we can discuss in a civil manner....but not here.    

[ConnGael]

Ha.  That's funny and true.   

I never really understood those that get so bent out of shape when they hear people use the "safety school" chant.  It's all in good fun if used the right way.  I always saw as an admittance of defeat and only to be used late in games when you basically have nothing left to bring.  It's similar to the "it's alright, it's ok, you will work for us someday".  Good natured ribbing and if people get bent out of shape when we use the "safety school" chant it's probably b/c they got their panties in a bunch when someone used it against us at some point.

I think its the kind of thing that would bother someone more than it should if their self-worth or self-identity was all tied up in where they went to college.  I was always taught its my character that would determine my worth, not something external like the size of my house, the kind of car I drive, if I can speak five languages fluently, etc.  This is supposed to be about college basketball - no need to get all that caught up in it to miss out on the fun.

[B2Bomber]

I remember the Voy board days: PL fans would routinely bash us as "Not quite as good" as they and playing "Thugs from the Bronx".  One Holy Cross fan was particularly obnoxious and arrogant.  So I can see how some of us (at times myself included) have been the same when we have spoken of other schools: the whole pecking order thing.  I work with some Columbia grads who are so dismissive of FU yet we regularly clean their clocks (as bad as we are), they quickly point out so what: they are Ivy and we are not.  Perhaps we do the same: it is true that we brandish our rising academic standing to compensate for poor BBall and FBall, but if we are becoming snobs like supporters of Columbia, Gtown, Duke and others, not cool.  As stated here on another thread:  This is basketball, not a spelling bee, so academics is not the competition.  We need to walk the talk and have winning programs and then we can earn (and totally ignore) hate mail from other schools.  It is not about sports (no winning tradition)  that some hate us so, it is about our 'tude.

But I love this lighthearted banter here.  I only wish other Iona folks would have that lightheartedness.

Well...let me extrapolate a bit here, Ramray.  In these parts, Fordham is admired and there is no attitude.....in fact its quite the opposite.   People sneer at the Bronx and wonder "why in the name of the Lord did you go there?"    When I tell them, and why my kid went to Rose Hill, they are enlightened, shake my hand and become new Fordham friends.   Its so refreshing...instead of that smug UVa (sorry xtey) or condescending UNC or VERY SMUG Duke attitude which is around here.   (The worst they say about Wake is its a country club..and it is....and FULL of Yankees from New York and New Jersey!)  

In New York, perhaps Fordham is disliked for a relative attitude with respect to St. Johns, Iona, Fairfield, Marist, Manhattan etc.     But down here, its a different picture entirely.   When I meet kids/parents who want to go "up north" its always BC, NYU, Georgetown, GWU,  Columbia or other Ivy...and sometimes Providence.   Its a challenge to get them to think about Fordham....a misperception of the Bronx and the Rose Hill Campus as being Fort Apache.    

I tell them all...if you want academics that are really second to none (quality of faculty and most programs..plus a really solid well balanced core), and a unique experience...and to be different than "oh another one going to BC....or Georgetown", then look at Fordham.   Its not an easy sell...and its a process.    


note to NYRam07:  More and more Chaminade grads are treking south....Wake, Duke, UNC, UVa, Davidson....bring it!  I say.  Get out of that Long Island Bubble and see the world from a different perspective.    

[ConnGael]

So, in the spirit of our Glasnost, Iona @ Loyola, MD tonight, ESPNU 7pm for those of you unfortunate enough (like me) not to have anything to do on a Friday night.  Battle for first place in the MAAC.  Loyola has exceptional front-court length for a MAAC team and a deadly 3 pt shooter in a kid named Olsen.  This will be a very tough match-up for Iona on the road.  Chance to see one of your Jesuit institutions smack down the upstart Christian Bros.  Chance for the CB to knock off the snooty Jesuits.  Different styles as the cliche goes.  They play classical, we play jazz. 

[ace93]

I had intentions of going to that game, but unfortunately can't make it anymore.  I will try to catch at least some of it on TV though.

[xtey92a]

  Its so refreshing...instead of that smug UVa (sorry xtey) or condescending UNC or VERY SMUG Duke attitude which is around here.   (The worst they say about Wake is its a country club..and it is....and FULL of Yankees from New York and New Jersey!)  

In New York, perhaps Fordham is disliked for a relative attitude with respect to St. Johns, Iona, Fairfield, Marist, Manhattan etc.     But down here, its a different picture entirely.   When I meet kids/parents who want to go "up north" its always BC, NYU, Georgetown, GWU,  Columbia or other Ivy...and sometimes Providence.   Its a challenge to get them to think about Fordham....a misperception of the Bronx and the Rose Hill Campus as being Fort Apache.    

I tell them all...if you want academics that are really second to none (quality of faculty and most programs..plus a really solid well balanced core), and a unique experience...and to be different than "oh another one going to BC....or Georgetown", then look at Fordham.   Its not an easy sell...and its a process.    

I'm banging the drum about Rose Hill dropping the B word. Either call it "Fordham Station" or "Rose Hill" Get the USPS to drop the Bronx Moniker.  

Many UVA students come from Coal mining country, along with the elite children of Wall St.  They have a perfect blend of ethics, athletics, and academics. Dukies are typically children of privilege.

[85]

note to NYRam07:  More and more Chaminade grads are treking south....Wake, Duke, UNC, UVa, Davidson....bring it!  I say.  Get out of that Long Island Bubble and see the world from a different perspective.    

I hate to let the facts get in the way of a good incoherent rant..............but several of the above schools have not had a Chaminade ( NY ) grad attend them ( that information is easy to find ) in several years.  Perhaps you can kick back on your plantation porch, spit a little chew into the lifesize Robert E. Lee spitoon, raise a glass of moonshine and check the ole facts again...........

[DCRam]

Actually, the Safety School chant and simliar kind of bother me.

The last time I was at RHG, during the DW era, we were leading Charlotte and then blew it in the end. As it became clear Charlotte was going to win, everybody started chanting, "Safety School." That is just petty and reeks of desperation and cheap shots.

Likewise when we played Georgetown at the Verizon Center. Predictably, they took control quickly and spanked us. Never felt more sorry for BD as he was swarmed the entire game. Still, one young Fordham student felt it prudent to hold up a sign that read, "Student Athletes." I am sorry, but it is more than pathetic to be proclaiming that while getting our asses handed to us. If we are soooooo much better than them, what the hell are we doing playing them?

The last time we beat Georgetown, were they yelling Safety School at us? Fordham is damn good school. Probably better than most other colleges. But we do not need to shout it out, especially when we are losing to schools, some of which are better than us.

[ace93]

Actually, the Safety School chant and simliar kind of bother me.

The last time I was at RHG, during the DW era, we were leading Charlotte and then blew it in the end. As it became clear Charlotte was going to win, everybody started chanting, "Safety School." That is just petty and reeks of desperation and cheap shots.

Likewise when we played Georgetown at the Verizon Center. Predictably, they took control quickly and spanked us. Never felt more sorry for BD as he was swarmed the entire game. Still, one young Fordham student felt it prudent to hold up a sign that read, "Student Athletes." I am sorry, but it is more than pathetic to be proclaiming that while getting our asses handed to us. If we are soooooo much better than them, what the hell are we doing playing them?

The last time we beat Georgetown, were they yelling Safety School at us? Fordham is damn good school. Probably better than most other colleges. But we do not need to shout it out, especially when we are losing to schools, some of which are better than us.

To me those two situations are very different.  The safety school chant is indeed desperation, it's a chant of surrender basically, but you get a jab in there at the same time.  I would be thrilled if we got that chant directed at us numerous times throughout the year (though not many in the A10 could chant it at us) b/c it would mean we were winning games convincingly.

[RoRam]

We'll see who's chanting in the MAAC Tourney, when IONA blows another 20 point lead to cost them a tourney bid.

[DCRam]

To me those two situations are very different.  The safety school chant is indeed desperation, it's a chant of surrender basically, but you get a jab in there at the same time.  I would be thrilled if we got that chant directed at us numerous times throughout the year (though not many in the A10 could chant it at us) b/c it would mean we were winning games convincingly.

They both are petty.

Were we pounding Iona in a game, I could fathom doing just to add an extra zing. But doing it when we are losing or claiming some kind of moral superiority when it comes to athletes we admit and athletes a better team admits is phony, hypocritical, and reeks of being sore losers. If we lose, we lose. Suck it up. At this point in time, I am used to it.

[ace93]

They both are petty.

Were we pounding Iona in a game, I could fathom doing just to add an extra zing. But doing it when we are losing or claiming some kind of moral superiority when it comes to athletes we admit and athletes a better team admits is phony, hypocritical, and reeks of being sore losers. If we lose, we lose. Suck it up. At this point in time, I am used to it.

No, you don't use it when you are pounding someone.  Why even bother, the scoreboard is enough.  It's not a claim of moral superiority the way that sign you mentioned was exactly that.  I think you are reading way too much into a chant.  As I mentioned before, it is like the "it's alright, it's ok, you will work for us someday" chant/cheer.  That would not make sense if you are pounding someone.  What's alright and ok, that you're winning?  Well yeah, duh, of course that's alright and ok.  It's alright (we're getting pounded), it's ok (we're going to lose), you will work for us someday.  It's humor.  You don't strike as being overly PC, so it surprises me that you read it the way you do.

I recall being at MSG during Smush's one year when we were playing St. John's.  We were on our way to a loss after having a big lead at the half and there were a bunch of students in front of me, looking all depressed, so I told them to break out the safety school chant and they said they couldn't, that we were losing.  I just shook my head in disbelief.  Now I will forever refer to that kid as DCRamII.   

[joea]

I for one would be happy to get the students chanting anything, preferably loudly

[TJHinNYC]

I distinctly remember from the classic 1070-71 season a number of great buttons worn by Rams fans.  And among such winners as "Jaspers Eat Ram S***" (Manhattan), "Hornify The Hoyas" (Georgetown), "Pickle Peter's Peacock" (St. Peter's), and "Kick Army's Brass" (West Point), was another one aimed squarely at our brethren from New Rochelle: "The Gaels Ain't Got No Couth!"  

Now, I'm not sure if that last statement was (or is still) true.  But maybe I can I use my Fordham degree in History to find out.

[ace93]

Daaaaamn, you're old!   

[TJHinNYC]

I distinctly remember from the classic 1070-71 season...

I'm not that old.  Make that the 1970-71 season.  Phew!

[ConnGael]

I distinctly remember from the classic 1070-71 season a number of great buttons worn by Rams fans.  And among such winners as "Jaspers Eat Ram S***" (Manhattan), "Hornify The Hoyas" (Georgetown), "Pickle Peter's Peacock" (St. Peter's), and "Kick Army's Brass" (West Point), was another one aimed squarely at our brethren from New Rochelle: "The Gaels Ain't Got No Couth!"  

Now, I'm not sure if that last statement was (or is still) true.  But maybe I can I use my Fordham degree in History to find out.

Seems like that season was just after the Battle of Hastings, so you'll have to go way back.   

[B2Bomber]

I for one would be happy to get the students chanting anything, preferably loudly

+1.   This isnt a seminary or convent.  And Cameron Indoor at Duke can be VERY hostile....cramped, low cielings and hot....and the Dukies come in all painted up and crazed and start chanting all sorts of stuff.    Its basketball, not badminton.

[B2Bomber]

In fact, if I were Coach Pecora I would send out a blast email to the students, "PLEASE SHOW UP AND MAKE A LOT OF NOISE....chanting permitted....in good taste and no profanity."   

Coach Prosser did that at Wake and woke the dead.    And never looked back.