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« Reply #60 on: April 13, 2012, 10:21:10 am » |
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I remember Parotta and Matt Brust who was a great tough guy from St. John's going at it all game, Brust pointing at him and Parotta responding with a ncie dunk from the baseline and some taunts. That would have been a good fight Parotta versus Brust. that was the Michael Porter game, when he beat us in OT and then skipped out of school never to be heard from again!
Parrotta missed a big pair of FTs in that game, too. IIRC, would have put us up 7 late in regulation. |
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« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2012, 10:26:52 am » |
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How often does what describe actually happen? And if it does happen, does it happen with experienced assistants or less experienced, third guy on the staff types.
I think Parrotta is more likely to offer suggestions and have more insight on game situations than someone with Kelly's experience would.
I can't put too much into his failure at canisius as I think that's a tough job. It's hard to say without knowing the details. I can't remember who last won at Canisius, but it was well over a decade ago, I think.
Coaches do it all of the time, they use the assistants as a way to expand their recruiting territory and to get fresh ideas on game strategy. I could give one clear example but it would likely cause this thread to devolve quickly. I did not have a problem with Pecora bringing his whole staff from Hofstra with him, I understood his thought process. However, when that did not work out he should have taken advantage of the opportunity to go outside his guys. |
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« Reply #62 on: April 13, 2012, 10:32:48 am » |
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Does anyone know if Parrotta has any connection to Reggie Agbeko? Buffalo isn't that big of a town.
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« Reply #63 on: April 13, 2012, 10:38:30 am » |
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Fordham vs. Army ,Meadowlands , MAAC Tournament, Parrotta's junior year. Fordham up 8 with less than a minute to go. Parrotta has a breakaway and instead of laying the ball in he goes for egomaniac "look at me dunk" . Not only does the fool miss it he hangs on the rim and draws a technical . Army makes the 2 foul shots, eventually ties the game and of course wins in overtime all because that jerk wanted to show off. The dumbest play I have ever seen in 44 years of watching Fordham basketball. Rewarded one year later when he finishes career with 998 points. There is a God. Welcome back Tom. Now every time I go to a game I have to be reminded of of that dark hour in Fordham basketball history. Why me?
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« Reply #64 on: April 13, 2012, 10:44:27 am » |
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Well, I think for 1 year its probably a safe move. Especially since recruitng is done for this year. However, is it possible that Parrotta is involved in helping us secure the big 6ft 8 forward from Buffalo since he is up there?
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« Reply #65 on: April 13, 2012, 10:46:07 am » |
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The Kevin Houston game?
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« Reply #66 on: April 13, 2012, 10:46:42 am » |
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Does anyone know if Parrotta has any connection to Reggie Agbeko? Buffalo isn't that big of a town.
Great point did not think of that. If true and it worked out then one of things I am looking for, signing a player linked to him, may happen sooner than I think possible. |
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« Reply #67 on: April 13, 2012, 10:47:26 am » |
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Does anyone know if Parrotta has any connection to Reggie Agbeko? Buffalo isn't that big of a town.
Sorry I didnt see your post,was thinking the same thing. |
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« Reply #68 on: April 13, 2012, 10:50:30 am » |
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The Fordham and NCAA web sites both list a job opening for a Men's BB Assistant Coach position. The job listing may be a formality if Pecora knows who he wants. It also could mean that the position is open and Parrotta is expected to be a leading candidate. I hear what guys are saying about his work at Canisius, but Parrotta might be good at working with players in need of improvement. He has been around the block and, because he is older than Kelly, his advice might be more readily accepted by the players. If Parrotta is chosen, I see it as a soft landing for him until he can decide his next step in life. With Duke entrenched as the top assistant, I do not see this as a long-term position for Parrotta.
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« Reply #69 on: April 13, 2012, 10:51:55 am » |
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Duke is not entrenched by any means. I think his career hangs on Fay II.
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« Reply #70 on: April 13, 2012, 11:01:13 am » |
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Coaches do it all of the time, they use the assistants as a way to expand their recruiting territory and to get fresh ideas on game strategy. I could give one clear example but it would likely cause this thread to devolve quickly. I did not have a problem with Pecora bringing his whole staff from Hofstra with him, I understood his thought process. However, when that did not work out he should have taken advantage of the opportunity to go outside his guys.
My question is how often does it happen when adding one guy to an existing staff. I don't know, but Pecora did bring Morton when Macon left to your clear example (devolve quickly, you're obviously talking about Rice). Pecora has gone outside his coaching staff for game strategies, it was mentioned he did as much when implementing the zone defense which I think worked well for us for a stretch. I also don't see any real top assistant from outside his circle knocking on the door to get this job. It's not the best resume builder and it is not as if it can be quickly parlayed into a better job given that we are not likely to set the world on fire anytime soon. |
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« Reply #71 on: April 13, 2012, 11:06:24 am » |
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Duke is not entrenched by any means. I think his career hangs on Fay II.
I can't imagine there's anybody in our basketball program who has any sense of entrenchment or job security for that matter. Even Pecora with several years under contract must be feeling some serious heat to show serious improvement by end of next season or his career trajectory will be stalled, whether he stays as a lame duck or gets bought out. |
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« Reply #72 on: April 13, 2012, 11:10:28 am » |
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How much is this move costing? Is Parrotta making Kelly money?
I'm not liking the paternalistic/"friends and family" arrangements around our program (the Van Macon, Fay, Hage, and now Parrotta matters).
Not a big move, one way or the other, IMO.
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« Reply #73 on: April 13, 2012, 11:11:53 am » |
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I am not sure about assistants being replaced on existing staffs, but I do not think the thought process was any different. I agree on Morton, forgot about him but a 3rd assistant does not have a lot of say on game strategy. Changing a defense is a lot different than going away from your offensive system because your personel does not fit. It is a difficult thing to do and was never even considered it this year despite our being one of the 5 worst offensive teams in the nation.
I agree top assistants may not be knocking down our door, but Pecora should be knocking on theirs and at least see if there was any interest. It may have turned out that Parotta was our best choice but he should not have been the only choice. Again, he is not a bad choice and this may work out but it seems to me a safe choice with limited upside. He is certainly an upgrade so that is a plus but I wonder if more could have been done with the opportunity.
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« Reply #74 on: April 13, 2012, 11:22:40 am » |
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I am not sure about assistants being replaced on existing staffs, but I do not think the thought process was any different. I agree on Morton, forgot about him but a 3rd assistant does not have a lot of say on game strategy. Changing a defense is a lot different than going away from your offensive system because your personel does not fit. It is a difficult thing to do and was never even considered it this year despite our being one of the 5 worst offensive teams in the nation.
I agree top assistants may not be knocking down our door, but Pecora should be knocking on theirs and at least see if there was any interest. It may have turned out that Parotta was our best choice but he should not have been the only choice. Again, he is not a bad choice and this may work out but it seems to me a safe choice with limited upside. He is certainly an upgrade so that is a plus but I wonder if more could have been done with the opportunity.
Not sure Morton was the 3rd assistant. He is listed ahead of Kelly, though it might be alphabetical by first name. I sort of doubt it though. I was not aware that Pecora did not reach out to anyone else. When did you hear that? |
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« Reply #75 on: April 13, 2012, 11:23:15 am » |
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I really like this move for a number of reasons:
1. Successful history with Pecora
2. Head coaching experience
3. Ex-Fordham player, it's been too long since the coaching staff had an ex-Fordham player
4. Also doesn't hurt that he's a local guy, and is no doubt familiar with the landscape and high school programs
5. He's a good guy
Really!?! He's a good guy?!? His record is worse than Grasso's. You seem to have missed that. What a hypocrite. |
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« Reply #76 on: April 13, 2012, 11:23:47 am » |
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Welcome back to Fordham, Tom.
Good move all around. The staff becomes more experienced and deeper, we have a Fordham man associated with the program for the first time in Lord knows how long, and presumably a new set of recruiting connections.
Parrotta didn't get it done at Canisius, but it wasn't for lack of effort. After 4 years, when he'd posted a 15-17 record, the AD gave him a two year extension. The school was pleased with the academic performance and character of his recruits and the way he handled the program. At the time he was extended, it was noted that Canisius had posted 15 wins in a season only 13 times in the past 50 years (most of those under Nick Macarchuk). Not a powerhouse, there.
He'd brought in 3 transfers who'd have been eligible next year, including two bigs, one from Kansas State. But this year's record sunk him. The school had an option on him for 2012-13, and declined to exercise it.
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« Reply #77 on: April 13, 2012, 11:26:54 am » |
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Great point did not think of that. If true and it worked out then one of things I am looking for, signing a player linked to him, may happen sooner than I think possible.
Getting a player linked to an atrocious team is a positive? We needed Parrotta for that? |
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« Reply #78 on: April 13, 2012, 11:28:32 am » |
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Really!?! He's a good guy?!? His record is worse than Grasso's. You seem to have missed that.
What a hypocrite.
Huh-hypocrite? Btw. No one's record is worse than Grasso's |
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« Reply #79 on: April 13, 2012, 11:33:09 am » |
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Getting a player linked to an atrocious team is a positive? We needed Parrotta for that?
I think you missed the point. It was asked if Parotta had a connection with Reggie Ogbeka, who is from Buffalo, who we are recruiting and looks like a really good player. If Parotta helps us land him this year that would be a positive. |
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« Reply #80 on: April 13, 2012, 11:38:38 am » |
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Getting a player linked to an atrocious team is a positive? We needed Parrotta for that?
I am not sure what you are getting at here. Getting recruits is a big part of an assistant coach's job. If (big if) Parrotta helps in landing Agbeko, how is that not a positive? Part of the issue many here have had with our assistants (not just under Pecora) is that they fail to get recruits "linked" to our program. Having that happen would be a positive. I don't see how one could see that otherwise. |
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« Reply #81 on: April 13, 2012, 11:48:01 am » |
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Why should we be positive about a coach "bringing along" a recruit from an atrocious team in a lower league? We shouldn't need to hire Parrotta to land such a kid.
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« Reply #82 on: April 13, 2012, 11:49:26 am » |
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Why should we be positive about a coach "bringing along" a recruit from an atrocious team in a lower league? We shouldn't need to hire Parrotta to land such a kid.
Agbeko is not/was not going to Canisius. You're way off |
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« Reply #84 on: April 13, 2012, 11:54:44 am » |
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Parrotta won 5 games (going 1-17! in the MAAC) in his 6th year in!
2 last place finishes, 3 second-to-last place finishes.
Don't know how you can be worse than that.
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« Reply #85 on: April 13, 2012, 11:55:22 am » |
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he lists:
RMU
Siena,
St. Peters
Umass
Oklahoma
Towson
Iona
La Salle
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« Reply #86 on: April 13, 2012, 11:56:32 am » |
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Why should we be positive about a coach "bringing along" a recruit from an atrocious team in a lower league? We shouldn't need to hire Parrotta to land such a kid.
We are recruiting Reggie O, a senior in highschool who is from Buffalo and looks to be a good player Parotta coached at Canisius Someone asked if Parotta has a connection with Reggie O because of the proximity I and others commented if Parotta has a connection with Reggie O an it helps us sign him that would be a positive. We good? |
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« Reply #87 on: April 13, 2012, 11:57:44 am » |
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Agbeko is not/was not going to Canisius. You're way off
I'm not saying that. Others are saying that he may be connected to this recruit and help us land him. |
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« Reply #88 on: April 13, 2012, 11:58:20 am » |
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Parotta will be a better assistant coach than Kelly was. Period. End of story.
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« Reply #89 on: April 13, 2012, 12:00:30 pm » |
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We are recruiting Reggie O, a senior in highschool who is from Buffalo and looks to be a good player
Parotta coached at Canisius
Someone asked if Parotta has a connection with Reggie O because of the proximity
I and others commented if Parotta has a connection with Reggie O an it helps us sign him that would be a positive.
We good?
I hear ya, but what is the nature of this "connection"? That this kid would have played for Canisius? |
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