Marvin Dominique Transferring to St. Peters

[02grad]

Per John Rothstein a few minutes ago. . .

[ace93]

Sad to see him go as I thought he showed promise as a freshman, but last season he did not show much.  Being stuck behind Gaston did not help matters.

Best of luck to him at St. Peter's.

[Rich93]

I really hope he is successful at Saint Peters.  He always played hard even though his production was limited last year.  Good luck Marvin. 

[ramfan01]

I figured that this was the extra ship everyone was talking about.  I could tell Marvin was upset with his lack of PT last season, and for what it's worth, I thought he should have played more.  Wish him the best.

[southcarolinaram]

Marvin did not show much last year because he never had a chance to show what he had. Pecora blindly sticks with his 3 guard offense and it makes no sense much of the time. If Reggie signs, does anyone think Pecora will give more than 80 minutes to his bigs?

[pjd]

have very fond memories of his open court drives to the basket vs st. john's and making 4 free-throws in closing minutes.  He put his stamp on TP's Fordham Hoops.

[FU85]

     Thanks for the effort Marvin, i hope it works out for you at St.Petes.  Now, that we have one more schollie to give out, it needs to be given to a player who will play alot of minutes next season and I would prefer another big or a bigger type wing player who can get to the hoop. We cannot waste this schollie on a non-factor player. Is this gonna be the last guy to leave or is there gonna be someone else? Luka?   Also, do we try to make a run at Tyler Harris, even though he would have to sit for a year?  

[ace93]

Marvin did not show much last year because he never had a chance to show what he had. Pecora blindly sticks with his 3 guard offense and it makes no sense much of the time. If Reggie signs, does anyone think Pecora will give more than 80 minutes to his bigs?

We can debate this in some other thread.

[SIram]

Sorry to see him leave and I think he has more upside, also was our best clutch foul shooter last season

Good luck Marvin, hope you find success at St. Peters and thank you for you contribution to Fordham

[PeterMartin08]

Now that its official, here's your open ship for the next forward.

I don't think its right to have a name go public before its 'done' - This isn't the NBA, no trade rumors.

Marvin Dominique should do very well @ STP.

[ace93]

Now that its official, here's your open ship for the next forward.

I don't think its right to have a name go public before its 'done' - This isn't the NBA, no trade rumors.

Agreed, Peter.  That's why a lot of people were keeping quiet about this one.

[B2Bomber]

We can debate this in some other thread.

But he raises a very good point.   It caused HUGE problems with Gaston last year, let alone Marvin Dominique.   Our guards last year couldnt hit an open garbage can from ten feet.   The games we won, we won because our forwards and Bristol got it done from the wings or under the basket.   

I sure as hell hope we dont have more of the same next year.

[ace93]

But he raises a very good point.   It caused HUGE problems with Gaston last year, let alone Marvin Dominique.   Our guards last year couldnt hit an open garbage can from ten feet.   The games we won, we won because our forwards and Bristol got it done from the wings or under the basket.  

I sure as hell hope we dont have more of the same next year.

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with the point.  Just saying that this is not the thread for it.  We already have a thread for discussion about the 3 guard offense.

[RamFan78]

I figured that this was the extra ship everyone was talking about.  I could tell Marvin was upset with his lack of PT last season, and for what it's worth, I thought he should have played more.  Wish him the best.

There were times last year that I scratched my head as to why he was not inserted into games instead of Estwick, especially in games where Estwick was not doing anything on offense and was a defensive liability. Thought it was strange and impeded the development of someone who showed some promise as a freshman. However, none of us know what took part in practices, etc. It coul dbe that Pecora just did not think he deserved the time based on effort. but who knows for sure.

[85]

We spent a lot of time and effort on this kid, including a surgery.  Clearly, he was miffed by his lack of role in the offense if you saw the interview at halftime during one of the games. regardless, seemed like a hard worker with good toughness and rebounding skills. Hoped that by this season, he would have been a consistent contributor.

So far under TP in 2 years:  transfers out: Moquette, Gordon ( and/or quit), Fahro, Freeman, Dominique, Samuells.......

[SIram]

We spent a lot of time and effort on this kid, including a surgery.  Clearly, he was miffed by his lack of role in the offense if you saw the interview at halftime during one of the games. regardless, seemed like a hard worker with good toughness and rebounding skills. Hoped that by this season, he would have been a consistent contributor.

So far under TP in 2 years:  transfers out: Moquette, Gordon ( and/or quit), Fahro, Freeman, Dominique, Samuells.......

The ones that interest me most are the players he recruited, Dominique & Samuel

Samuel was recruited over and if Meyers is the upgrade at PG we expect him to be that is what happens at this level, Marvin IA think could have gotten more playing time but is moving on of his own choice, both were good kids and leave on good terms

The others are on DW/Grasso, Gordon was not an A10 level player and likely not a D1 player, Moquette was Grasso looking to fill out his roster on short notice and Freeman, who knows what he was, he is going to Binghamton, I think, one of the lowest ranked D1 programs in the country.  Thought Fahro had some potential, not sure why that did not work out

[B2Bomber]

The ones that interest me most are the players he recruited, Dominique & Samuel

Samuel was recruited over and if Meyers is the upgrade at PG we expect him to be that is what happens at this level, Marvin IA think could have gotten more playing time but is moving on of his own choice, both were good kids and leave on good terms

The others are on DW/Grasso, Gordon was not an A10 level player and likely not a D1 player, Moquette was Grasso looking to fill out his roster on short notice and Freeman, who knows what he was, he is going to Binghamton, I think, one of the lowest ranked D1 programs in the country.  Thought Fahro had some potential, not sure why that did not work out

Coaching prerogative on who plays and who stays.     The bottom line is on Pecora and he knows that.

[John]

So far under TP in 2 years:  transfers out: Moquette, Gordon ( and/or quit), Fahro, Freeman, Dominique, Samuells.......

The first 4 were necessary housecleaning from the DW era. With Samuell and now Dominque transferring, that leaves Frazier as the only remaining player from TP's first Fordham recruiting class. So what does that tell us?

When TP's first class came in, we noted that Frazier and Dominique were Hofstra commits who followed Pecora to Fordham, while Samuell was a late pick-up who'd been ticketed to Robert Morris of the NEC. Many wondered whether these guys could play in the A-10. Frazier has clearly proven he can. Were the critics right about the other two?

I believe Pecora doesn't run kids off, but does sit them down and tell them very clearly how much PT they can expect to receive and what role he sees for them. If the kid stays, fine; these days, most will choose to transfer. Sounds like Dominique's parting is amicable; I'd bet Pecora helped with the move. [Any idea where Lamount ends up?]

Thanks to Marvin for his contributions. He always tried hard, and I suspect he'll be successful at St. Peter's.

But now, we've got only 1 upperclassman for the frontcourt next year, and only 4 guys over 6-4, two of whom will be freshmen. An injury or two to the bigs, and we could find ourselves in serious trouble. We need another big for depth. Let's hope we get one.

[alanccrx]

Marvin did not show much last year because he never had a chance to show what he had. Pecora blindly sticks with his 3 guard offense and it makes no sense much of the time. If Reggie signs, does anyone think Pecora will give more than 80 minutes to his bigs?

           + and then some!

[shortshot]

           + and then some!

I think Marvin may have been set back more than we realize after his injury. IMO he would have stayed on the floor longer if he was really performing well despite TPs 3 guard offense. His strong suite was rebounding and defense and Gaston and Bristol did a good job on that. We badly needed more scoring and Marvin hadn't shown any improvement in that aspect of the game. I agree that he probably should have been given more playing time to see if he could develop into a better offensive player but I'm not sure that would have changed the outcome of most of the games we lost. We don't see what happens in practice and Marvin may have had problems working within TPs 3 guard offense. He may be much more successful under a different coach. I wish him great succes and am sorry he is leaving Fordham. He was a strong contributor in his freshman year and did show a lot of potential before he was hurt.

[85]

The problem with the high turnover is that we cant get caught short again.  Last season we played 2 scholarships down for no good reason.  Late transfers out can often get you caught short and its too late to sign someone.  However, I think TP learned that lesson because all of the recruiting sites have us offering guys all over the place, even with no schollies apaprently available. It appears, on paper, that the recruiting ship has been righted.

 

[FUCoP69]

This isn't the NBA, no trade rumors.

It may not be the NBA, but D1 basketball is the NBA farm system, IMO. Education is strictly secondary to playing time with these kids, as seen by the huge list of transfers. Big time collegiate basketball is 90% basketball, 10% collegiate, at best.

[PeterMartin08]

It may not be the NBA, but D1 basketball is the NBA farm system, IMO. Education is strictly secondary to playing time with these kids, as seen by the huge list of transfers. Big time collegiate basketball is 90% basketball, 10% collegiate, at best.

No, D1 basketball is not the NBA farm system.

Whether education is secondary or not is irrelevant to my point - you do not report a player to be transferring until its done.

[ace93]

No, D1 basketball is not the NBA farm system.

Whether education is secondary or not is irrelevant to my point - you do not report a player to be transferring until its done.

Agreed, Peter.  The top of the NCAA might be somewhat of a farm system to the NBA, but most of it is not.

Kids want to play, I see no issue with that.  For many this will be the last time they get to suit up and play serious competitive basketball.  I think people at times overvalue a degree.  A kid like Dominique will do fine with a degree from Fordham or a degree from St. Peter's.  Sure there is a difference, but that difference is much greater for the top students in my opinion.

[PeterMartin08]

Agreed, Peter.  The top of the NCAA might be somewhat of a farm system to the NBA, but most of it is not.

I don't think '69 even believes it either. 11,000+ D1 collegiate players. 350 NBA spots.

When someone begins speaking in "90%" terms, they are usually pulling something from their ____ .

Suggesting education is secondary among 'big time" college basketball is not a profound statement - but it has very little/nothing to do with the NBA.

[Richie68]

Actually, there are 345 Division I teams times 13 scholarship players per team = 4,485 Division I basketball players, not 11,000.  But, that still does not diminish your point.

[lj]

you do not report a player to be transferring until its done.

Do you have any info on when that might be?

[85]

No, D1 basketball is not the NBA farm system.

Whether education is secondary or not is irrelevant to my point - you do not report a player to be transferring until its done.

Schools routinely issue a press release when a player has been released from his/her scholarship. There were several I saw yesterday.  So, sometimes there is a halfway point before the full transfer is actually done.

[PeterMartin08]

Actually, there are 345 Division I teams times 13 scholarship players per team = 4,485 Division I basketball players, not 11,000.  But, that still does not diminish your point.

You're right - 11k may be the collegiate number

[FUCoP69]

Actually, there are 345 Division I teams times 13 scholarship players per team = 4,485 Division I basketball players, not 11,000.  But, that still does not diminish your point.

The number of D1 scholarship players versus the number of available slots in the NBA is irrelevant to my belief that D1 collegiate basketball programs function as a farm system for the NBA. The fact is that the vast majority of NBA players come directly from D1 programs. That defines a farm system. Of course there will be more potential players than there are slots available in the NBA. Duh! Look at the number of minor baseball leagues. Each major league team has working agreements with up to six teams with full rosters, but the number of open slots at the big league level is tiny in comparison. Nonetheless, every minor league player dreams of making it to the majors. I'm guessing (and I concede that it is a guess, so I'll drop the 90% figure) that most players good enough to obtain D1 scholarships have dreams of playing professionally some day.