New AD Search to commence.

[85]

Its not Whittenburg's fault. DW ( I watch Dr. Oz so I'm qualified ) was a classic coaching burnout case, textbook. Had we dumped DW one to one and a half years earlier , like everyone with a brain stem was suggesting, he would have gone down as a coach who actually did a halfway decent job, but couldnt sustain it.

Instead, Frank waited until it totally imploded and hit rock bottom. He waited until DW was signing guys that looked like Lombardi Center players. Part of that, undoubtedly, was in the extension DW got. I believe Bob Heel was also extended, just one year, but extended. You just can't keep doing this. The downside outweighs the upside. Oh, and over the years, we have never actually seen an upside.

[Bronx Boy]

Part of that, undoubtedly, was in the extension DW got. 

Never understood that move, and the powers that be just did it again !

[xtey92a]

At Jubilee yesterday, I met someone who is on the Selection Committee, he agreed it was time for Frank to go. I told him FU has this habit of only hiring alumni, and they should hire they best Fordham can afford. Appears they know this is a critical hire.

Frank shook my hand at the Jubilee Mass, someone at Mass congratulated him on his promotion.

[JohnG92]

I exchanged pleasantries with Frank yesterday at Jubilee.
 
I also shook Fr. McShane's hand, and congratulated him on all the positive developments, specifically the Lincoln Center campus redevelopment.  I told him I thought he was the best Fordham president ever. He laughed and said we have a lot more to do. The man seems driven. 

I did not see Jeff Gray there, I was hoping to talk to him for a few minutes.

[jimbo65]

I exchanged pleasantries with Frank yesterday at Jubilee.
 
I also shook Fr. McShane's hand, and congratulated him on all the positive developments, specifically the Lincoln Center campus redevelopment.  I told him I thought he was the best Fordham president ever. He laughed and said we have a lot more to do. The man seems driven. 

I did not see Jeff Gray there, I was hoping to talk to him for a few minutes.

Did you play softball in college?  With those softball comments, I hereby designate you as the official Chris Matthews lap dog of this board. Too bad you didn't see JG, you could have commended him on his superior handling of the athletic program.  Not that Jubilee is a time for hardball but no need to toady up to them.

[xtey92a]

Did you play softball in college?  With those softball comments, I hereby designate you as the official Chris Matthews lap dog of this board. Too bad you didn't see JG, you could have commended him on his superior handling of the athletic program.  Not that Jubilee is a time for hardball but no need to toady up to them.

HAH!
[MATTHEWS mode OFF]

Yes, I shook Franks hand, he ended up sitting near to me at church.

Fr. McShane mentioned we should succeed while being Christians in the Homily. Interpret as you will.

I heard a lot of non-athletic things at Jubilee, I'm going to open a topic in the general section. with Ace's approval.

The Lincoln Center project took almost a decade to get past the NYC Board  of Estimate.

[JohnG92]

Did you play softball in college?  With those softball comments, I hereby designate you as the official Chris Matthews lap dog of this board. Too bad you didn't see JG, you could have commended him on his superior handling of the athletic program.  Not that Jubilee is a time for hardball but no need to toady up to them.

Piss off.

[jimbo65]

Piss off.

Must make you feel like the big time, what with you hanging out with the movers & shakers of perhaps the worst athletic program in the country at DI.  Sucking up only encourages them. 

[JohnG92]

Must make you feel like the big time, what with you hanging out with the movers & shakers of perhaps the worst athletic program in the country at DI.  Sucking up only encourages them. 

Go back and re-read some of my posts over the years and then come back to me.  Unlike you, I try and be objective. You are the crankiest poster here, bar none.

You have no idea what I wanted to ask Jeff Gray, and if you think Fr. McShane doesn't deserve some praise over some of the things he's done at Fordham, you are living in an alternate universe.

[Ram I Am]

Must make you feel like the big time, what with you hanging out with the movers & shakers of perhaps the worst athletic program in the country at DI.  Sucking up only encourages them. 

A little out of line here IMHO Jimbo.  For all of his shortcomings (and we know there are many), Frank is a decent human being.  And while his handling of athletics has been a disappointment, I think any honest observer must conclude that Fr. McShane's presidency has been quite successful.  If you ask me John G is one of the most astute posters on this board, who has been appropriately critical of our administration of athletics in the past.  The fact that John extended some civility and respect to Fr. McShane and Frank should not be viewed as an act of a sychphant.   

[An Old Coach]

Did you play softball in college?  With those softball comments, I hereby designate you as the official Chris Matthews lap dog of this board. Too bad you didn't see JG, you could have commended him on his superior handling of the athletic program.  Not that Jubilee is a time for hardball but no need to toady up to them.

Just an angry old man with too much time on his hands...

[ace93]

Just an angry old man with too much time on his hands...

Old being a relative term, you have just described about 95% of this forum.

[jimbo65]

Just an angry old man with too much time on his hands...

Physician heal thyself.  Your attitude is the most negative on this board.  Or to quote Spiro Agnew, "you are a nattering nabob of negativism".  While you claim to be a former coach, from what I have read of your posts,  you could not coach eggs into a carton.

[85]

Let me get this straight.

This thread is about a search for a new  AD, correct? 

With the thread in mind, a few posters wanted to tell us that they shook hands with Frank ( who cares ), shook hands with Fr. McShane ( who really cares ) and exchanged niceties ( who really cares ). So in essence, a thread about a search for a new AD somehow morphed into  a few guys exchanging pleasantreis with the outgoing AD who most of us cannot stand and with McShane, who most of us can't stand when it comes to athletics ( I can't stand him in general ).

So why are you picking on Jimbo here? 

 I fail to see how any of the posted commetns about nicety nice things with McShane or anyone else have anything whatsoever to do with the search for a new AD.....that would be because they don't........

[ace93]

Conversations morph, it's not a big deal, 85. 

First comment about Jubilee by xtey92a was on topic.  What followed might not have been on topic, but the reaction it got from jimbo65 was still not appropriate.

25 pages deep in this thread and I still don't think anyone here has a good handle on how this process is being run.  With that in mind it is amazing this has not gone more off-topic than it has.

[jimbo65]

Conversations morph, it's not a big deal, 85. 

First comment about Jubilee by xtey92a was on topic.  What followed might not have been on topic, but the reaction it got from jimbo65 was still not appropriate.

25 pages deep in this thread and I still don't think anyone here has a good handle on how this process is being run.  With that in mind it is amazing this has not gone more off-topic than it has.

I concur as to my reaction.  By the way, spoke, or tried to speak to my friend, as to AD scenario and got a cold steely stare.  My supposition is that this was not business as usual.  Time will tell.

[xtey92a]

I concur as to my reaction.  By the way, spoke, or tried to speak to my friend, as to AD scenario and got a cold steely stare.  My supposition is that this was not business as usual.  Time will tell.

Good to hear! Let the house cleaning commence!

[An Old Coach]

Physician heal thyself.  Your attitude is the most negative on this board.  Or to quote Spiro Agnew, "you are a nattering nabob of negativism".  While you claim to be a former coach, from what I have read of your posts,  you could not coach eggs into a carton.

I guess that's because I see very little to be positive regarding Fordham athletics.  Apparently last place finishes, incompetent administrators and decrepit facilities aren't such a bad thing when you're living in 1971.

[Ram 91]

The job description and responsibilities as posted at NCAA.org; apologies if found in a different thread.

http://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/4785437?utm_source=BoxwoodIndeed&utm_medium=Indeed&utm_campaign=Boxwood%2BIndeed%2BFeed&source=indeed

Hey guys, just went back to look at the job listing in the post above. The listing is no longer active. I don't know how the site determines how long to keep a listing open or under what circumstances it is closed. Can anyone shed a little more light on it?  Would it mean that Fordham has decided it has the pool of candidates it expects to receive and has shut down soliciting new submissions?  Is there a specific time frame such a listing is made available?

I ask this with knowledge of the general feeling there have been not all that many submissions for Fordham-specific reasons. My (fading) hope is that Fordham finally realizes they're going about this in a foolish manner and decides to start over with outside consultancy. Certainly not holding my breath.

[JCMB]

Hey guys, just went back to look at the job listing in the post above. The listing is no longer active. I don't know how the site determines how long to keep a listing open or under what circumstances it is closed. Can anyone shed a little more light on it?  Would it mean that Fordham has decided it has the pool of candidates it expects to receive and has shut down soliciting new submissions?  Is there a specific time frame such a listing is made available?

I ask this with knowledge of the general feeling there have been not all that many submissions for Fordham-specific reasons. My (fading) hope is that Fordham finally realizes they're going about this in a foolish manner and decides to start over with outside consultancy. Certainly not holding my breath.

It could be due to a couple of things.  Did the original ad have a deadline date for submission of resumes?  If so, then the ad would probably be taken down by the website.  It could also mean that Fordham has withdrawn the ad because they have their candidate or a list of candidates they will work with.  The last thing I can think of (and probably the remotest possibility) is that they withdrew the ad and are re-writing it to re-advertise.

[71]

I think these ads are mostly to address EEOC requirements.

[An Old Coach]

Check the Fordham HR web site. If it's not listed there, it's probably close to a done deal. 

[Ram 91]

Check the Fordham HR web site. If it's not listed there, it's probably close to a done deal. 

Not there.

Uh-oh.

[Ramon]

The job was posted on the NACDA (National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics) site on 5/25. It has been taken down from there as well

[85]

1967 NIT Finals on MSG Vault.....

[An Old Coach]

Not there.

Uh-oh.

Meet the new boss.  Same as the old boss...

[charlietags]

So who do you guys want to see as the new AD?  Assuming it hasn't been decided already.

[rambacker]

So who do you guys want to see as the new AD?  Assuming it hasn't been decided already.

Bob Steitz, VP at Villanova and former Associate Commissioner at the A-10 would be a good choice.

[Stringer Bell]

So who do you guys want to see as the new AD?  Assuming it hasn't been decided already.

Someone with extensive experience at a school where basketball and lacrosse are considered really important, and football isn't.  Duke and Syracuse certainly come to mind, possibly Georgetown, 'Nova..  I also think Fiore would be an excellent choice.

[85]

We need the Fiore of 10 years ago. We need a man or woman @ 35 -40 years of age, diverse backgreound of schools and conferences, preferably grad school and some creative ideas.

Our senior athletic management folks are all over the age of 50, with Emeritus @65.  Youth and people with experience in the modern era are needed.  Our place is like that scene from Saturday Night Fever, with all the guys who have worked in the paint store for 25 years...